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Posted to server-user@james.apache.org by Eric Charles <er...@apache.org> on 2013/11/03 15:32:06 UTC
Re: Virtual hosting and SMTP
On 27/10/13 10:31, Robin Bankhead wrote:
>
> Quoting Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>:
>
>> Multiple outgoing gateways are possible.
>>
>> the outgoing tag is the name of the queue that will hold messages
>> being processed by the RemoteDelivery Mailet (deployed doc is
>> misleading). Use distinct one per RemoteDelivery mailet.
>>
> OK I have it now, everything I needed was in the mailetcontainer.xml
> file so I just worked from that, putting my own blocks above the
> "All"-matching one. I'd gotten so distracted with my maildir adventures
> that I forgot all about this being there, sorry ^^
>
OK
>> If you don't want to enforce ssl/tls, don't use the startTls/sslEnable
>> tag. Btw, I suspect bad bugs there.
>>
> Err, do you mean bad bugs when enforcing, or when not? (Or just with
> impl of SSL/TLS generally?)
>
Simply not working in general, at least I need to double check.
>> for filtering..., current matchers can help, but sieve is not
>> operational atm.
>>
> Yeah the matchers look to have all I need for matching, but with no
> mailet that can do "FileInto" (in Sieve-speak) that's no good... Is
> there a lot needing to be done with sieve? Perhaps I could help...
>
>> Take care if you don't use /%user/%domain and experiment...
>>
> Seems OK so far. Are you thinking concurrency issues, parts of the code
> expecting this format (in which case why make it configurable?), or
> something else?
>
Nothing about concurrency, but more about the virtual hosting working.
the %domain is needed for this.
> While on that subject, are there any other variables that could be used
> there? (Hey, I'm in breaking-stuff mode)
>
>> What do you mean with "user+box@..." ?
>>
> I'm sure I came across a notation like this while I was creating the
> vhosting setup on my home box (with dovecot and postfix), but of course
> I can't find a citation for you now :S
>
> IIRC, the idea was you appended a plus-sign followed by this "next hop"
> string to the recipient name when sending, and this was a cue for the
> receiving MDA to file it into the specified subdir of that mailbox.
> Probably some short-lived proprietary extension from years ago; if you
> haven't heard of it then that's all I need to know ;)
>
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.2.4
'+' is a valid character for username.
SMTP servers can indeed assign proprietary meaning.
You can achieve this in James with a Regex Matcher.
> Thanks again,
> Robin Bankhead
>
>
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Re: Virtual hosting and SMTP
Posted by Robin Bankhead <ap...@headbank.co.uk>.
Quoting Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>:
> On 03/11/13 16:05, Robin Bankhead wrote:
>> Quoting Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>:
>>
>>>>> If you don't want to enforce ssl/tls, don't use the startTls/sslEnable
>>>>> tag. Btw, I suspect bad bugs there.
>>>>>
>>>> Err, do you mean bad bugs when enforcing, or when not? (Or just with
>>>> impl of SSL/TLS generally?)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simply not working in general, at least I need to double check.
>>>
>> Seems OK here when the gateway demands STARTTLS (not SSL) and I don't
>> demand anything. I think that covers all the gateways I'll be using.
>>
>
> So SSL is not working?
>
Not tried (not really important for outbound mail to my mind, as no
expectation of content encryption for the rest of the journey anyway -
AIUI). Each gateway we use has an alternate that's SSL so I can test
it and let you know.
>>>>> Take care if you don't use /%user/%domain and experiment...
>>>>>
>>>> Seems OK so far. Are you thinking concurrency issues, parts of the code
>>>> expecting this format (in which case why make it configurable?), or
>>>> something else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing about concurrency, but more about the virtual hosting working.
>>> the %domain is needed for this.
>>>
>> I guess my nomenclature was bad with my subject line. It's not really
>> vhosting in the James sense at all, as effectively there would just be
>> one domain in use (and it's no problem to use the variable in the
>> .properties if it's needed, although it didn't appear to be for me).
>>
>> The fetchmail conf can deliver mail for all upstream domains/users into
>> one mailbox, but it would be desirable if it could filter it into
>> certain subfolders. Leaving the user issue aside, that's something also
>> required for certain other types of incoming filtering (spam and other
>> things).
>>
>
> So you want to fetchmail and deliver in a kind of "mailet way"
> (intelligent processing) ?
>
Yeah, that's it. I do all the same sort of things with sieve on my
dovecot setup at home; delivering to a specified subfolder based on
* Recipient address (so each can have its own "pseudo-inbox")
* Wildcard/regex comparison of sender address or subject (some
correspondence is done using the main address, but is always dealt
with by a certain person)
* Spam-score header (all spam is delivered, just not into the inbox -
as a business you don't want to miss anything)
>>
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.2.4
>>>
>>> '+' is a valid character for username.
>>> SMTP servers can indeed assign proprietary meaning.
>>> You can achieve this in James with a Regex Matcher.
>>>
>> OK, but without a suitable mailet for the filing, it looks like I'm
>> still stuffed.
>>
>> I'm a bit lost atm in JIRA trying to work out where
>> sieve/jsieve/sieve-mailet is broken. Can anyone shed light on this?
>> I'd like to look at it myself if I can, as it's seemingly down to that
>> or writing my own mailet from scratch.
>>
>
> Give me a few days, I will try to clean this up.
>
Good news :) I did come across JAMES-1373 which gives me a bit of an
idea what's up, so I'm trying to have a look at this myself at the
same time.
Thanks for your time with this, it's very much appreciated. I think
sieve being operational again would please a lot of people, not just
me and my victims ;)
Robin Bankhead
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Re: Virtual hosting and SMTP
Posted by Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>.
On 03/11/13 16:05, Robin Bankhead wrote:
> Quoting Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>:
>
>>>> If you don't want to enforce ssl/tls, don't use the startTls/sslEnable
>>>> tag. Btw, I suspect bad bugs there.
>>>>
>>> Err, do you mean bad bugs when enforcing, or when not? (Or just with
>>> impl of SSL/TLS generally?)
>>>
>>
>> Simply not working in general, at least I need to double check.
>>
> Seems OK here when the gateway demands STARTTLS (not SSL) and I don't
> demand anything. I think that covers all the gateways I'll be using.
>
So SSL is not working?
>>>> Take care if you don't use /%user/%domain and experiment...
>>>>
>>> Seems OK so far. Are you thinking concurrency issues, parts of the code
>>> expecting this format (in which case why make it configurable?), or
>>> something else?
>>>
>>
>> Nothing about concurrency, but more about the virtual hosting working.
>> the %domain is needed for this.
>>
> I guess my nomenclature was bad with my subject line. It's not really
> vhosting in the James sense at all, as effectively there would just be
> one domain in use (and it's no problem to use the variable in the
> .properties if it's needed, although it didn't appear to be for me).
>
> The fetchmail conf can deliver mail for all upstream domains/users into
> one mailbox, but it would be desirable if it could filter it into
> certain subfolders. Leaving the user issue aside, that's something also
> required for certain other types of incoming filtering (spam and other
> things).
>
So you want to fetchmail and deliver in a kind of "mailet way"
(intelligent processing) ?
>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.2.4
>>
>> '+' is a valid character for username.
>> SMTP servers can indeed assign proprietary meaning.
>> You can achieve this in James with a Regex Matcher.
>>
> OK, but without a suitable mailet for the filing, it looks like I'm
> still stuffed.
>
> I'm a bit lost atm in JIRA trying to work out where
> sieve/jsieve/sieve-mailet is broken. Can anyone shed light on this?
> I'd like to look at it myself if I can, as it's seemingly down to that
> or writing my own mailet from scratch.
>
Give me a few days, I will try to clean this up.
> Robin Bankhead
>
>
>
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Re: Virtual hosting and SMTP
Posted by Robin Bankhead <ap...@headbank.co.uk>.
Quoting Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>:
>>> If you don't want to enforce ssl/tls, don't use the startTls/sslEnable
>>> tag. Btw, I suspect bad bugs there.
>>>
>> Err, do you mean bad bugs when enforcing, or when not? (Or just with
>> impl of SSL/TLS generally?)
>>
>
> Simply not working in general, at least I need to double check.
>
Seems OK here when the gateway demands STARTTLS (not SSL) and I don't
demand anything. I think that covers all the gateways I'll be using.
>>> Take care if you don't use /%user/%domain and experiment...
>>>
>> Seems OK so far. Are you thinking concurrency issues, parts of the code
>> expecting this format (in which case why make it configurable?), or
>> something else?
>>
>
> Nothing about concurrency, but more about the virtual hosting
> working. the %domain is needed for this.
>
I guess my nomenclature was bad with my subject line. It's not really
vhosting in the James sense at all, as effectively there would just be
one domain in use (and it's no problem to use the variable in the
.properties if it's needed, although it didn't appear to be for me).
The fetchmail conf can deliver mail for all upstream domains/users
into one mailbox, but it would be desirable if it could filter it into
certain subfolders. Leaving the user issue aside, that's something
also required for certain other types of incoming filtering (spam and
other things).
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.2.4
>
> '+' is a valid character for username.
> SMTP servers can indeed assign proprietary meaning.
> You can achieve this in James with a Regex Matcher.
>
OK, but without a suitable mailet for the filing, it looks like I'm
still stuffed.
I'm a bit lost atm in JIRA trying to work out where
sieve/jsieve/sieve-mailet is broken. Can anyone shed light on this?
I'd like to look at it myself if I can, as it's seemingly down to that
or writing my own mailet from scratch.
Robin Bankhead
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