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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir> on 2014/11/10 09:25:44 UTC
Wasting Time !
Dear All,
Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ? Unfortunately I think so.
Regards
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Rohit Yadav <ro...@shapeblue.com>.
On 10-Nov-2014, at 1:55 pm, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir> wrote:
> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ? Unfortunately I think so.
What you shared does not help anyone. If you’ve a genuine issue to raise please feel free to do it here otherwise avoid wasting our times.
Regards,
Rohit Yadav
Software Architect, ShapeBlue
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Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Hello,
Cloud is hard, it requires time, skills and determination, loads of them.
My advice to anyone starting with cloud (any cloud platform, not just cloudstack) is to give it a good several months of testing and getting acquainted to; 6 months would be a good period.
Everything you do, first do it on a testing environment, then on the production one and even then make sure you _have_ backups you can revert to if shit hits the fan.
My 2 pence,
Lucian
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mohammad Mahdi Raja" <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir>
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Monday, 10 November, 2014 08:25:44
> Subject: Wasting Time !
> Dear All,
>
> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> Unfortunately I think so.
>
> Regards
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Stas Maksimov <st...@enstratius.com>.
I was just going to respond to that too, Bret. Well said.
It's astonishing how many people actually stepped forward to try and help
this very inarticulate splash of dissatisfaction, and probably a troll
bait. You guys are awesome.
S.
On 10 November 2014 22:54, Bret Mette <br...@dbihosting.com> wrote:
> ... And just when I was singing this groups praises on how it handles
> itself you have to go and respond like that.
>
> While I agree with your sentiment, it could have been expressed in a
> better way.
>
> I think the original poster is trolling anyway.. maybe this thread needs
> to die quickly.
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Dave Dunaway <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > HI Mohammed,
> >
> > I DON'T want to help you. You snotty little shit. Go away.
> >
> >
> > (there... I'm answering for all those felt the need to be polite but
> really
> > want to say what I did...)
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gurudatta Shinde <
> > Gurudatta.Shinde@tomtom.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Mohammed ,
> >> Well I don't think so. Being more specific can definitely help us
> >> understand your comments. We are one of users of cloudstack we are
> running
> >> good number of production instances on TomTom private cloud.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> - Guru
> >>
> >> On Nov 10, 2014 7:08 PM, Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
> >> Mohammed
> >>
> >> I would love to know exactly what you mean by that comment.
> >> Have you had an issue with the software ? Do you think its not relevant
> >> for your needs ?
> >>
> >> Kind Regards
> >> Giles
> >>
> >> D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
> >> Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
> >> Sent: 10 November 2014 08:26
> >> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> >> Subject: Wasting Time !
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> >> Unfortunately I think so.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related
> services
> >>
> >> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> >> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> >> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/
> >
> >> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> >> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> >> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> >> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> >> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
> >>
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Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Bret Mette <br...@dbihosting.com>.
... And just when I was singing this groups praises on how it handles itself you have to go and respond like that.
While I agree with your sentiment, it could have been expressed in a better way.
I think the original poster is trolling anyway.. maybe this thread needs to die quickly.
> On Nov 10, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Dave Dunaway <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> HI Mohammed,
>
> I DON'T want to help you. You snotty little shit. Go away.
>
>
> (there... I'm answering for all those felt the need to be polite but really
> want to say what I did...)
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gurudatta Shinde <
> Gurudatta.Shinde@tomtom.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammed ,
>> Well I don't think so. Being more specific can definitely help us
>> understand your comments. We are one of users of cloudstack we are running
>> good number of production instances on TomTom private cloud.
>>
>> Regards,
>> - Guru
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2014 7:08 PM, Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>> Mohammed
>>
>> I would love to know exactly what you mean by that comment.
>> Have you had an issue with the software ? Do you think its not relevant
>> for your needs ?
>>
>> Kind Regards
>> Giles
>>
>> D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>> Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
>> Sent: 10 November 2014 08:26
>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
>> Subject: Wasting Time !
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
>> Unfortunately I think so.
>>
>> Regards
>> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>>
>> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
>> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
>> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
>> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
>> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
>> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
>> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
>> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>>
>> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
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>> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the
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>> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue
>> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil
>> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is
>> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
>> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Dave Dunaway <da...@gmail.com>.
HI Mohammed,
I DON'T want to help you. You snotty little shit. Go away.
(there... I'm answering for all those felt the need to be polite but really
want to say what I did...)
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gurudatta Shinde <
Gurudatta.Shinde@tomtom.com> wrote:
> Hi Mohammed ,
> Well I don't think so. Being more specific can definitely help us
> understand your comments. We are one of users of cloudstack we are running
> good number of production instances on TomTom private cloud.
>
> Regards,
> - Guru
>
> On Nov 10, 2014 7:08 PM, Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> Mohammed
>
> I would love to know exactly what you mean by that comment.
> Have you had an issue with the software ? Do you think its not relevant
> for your needs ?
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
> D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
> Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
> Sent: 10 November 2014 08:26
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Wasting Time !
>
> Dear All,
>
> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> Unfortunately I think so.
>
> Regards
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build<
> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<
> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
>
> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended
> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or
> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the
> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based
> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender
> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a
> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a
> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue
> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil
> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is
> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under
> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
>
RE: Wasting Time !
Posted by Gurudatta Shinde <Gu...@tomtom.com>.
Hi Mohammed ,
Well I don't think so. Being more specific can definitely help us understand your comments. We are one of users of cloudstack we are running good number of production instances on TomTom private cloud.
Regards,
- Guru
On Nov 10, 2014 7:08 PM, Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
Mohammed
I would love to know exactly what you mean by that comment.
Have you had an issue with the software ? Do you think its not relevant for your needs ?
Kind Regards
Giles
D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
Sent: 10 November 2014 08:26
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Wasting Time !
Dear All,
Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ? Unfortunately I think so.
Regards
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
RE: Wasting Time !
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Mohammed
I would love to know exactly what you mean by that comment.
Have you had an issue with the software ? Do you think its not relevant for your needs ?
Kind Regards
Giles
D: +44 20 3603 0541 | M: +44 796 111 2055
Giles.Sirett@shapeblue.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
Sent: 10 November 2014 08:26
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Wasting Time !
Dear All,
Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ? Unfortunately I think so.
Regards
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//>
CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/>
CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark.
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Sujai SD <su...@assistanz.com>.
Dear Team,
As of understanding this conversation for a long time, I request to stop further communication in this thread, it would be waste of time for all of us to engage further in this.
I see Mr.Mohhamad Mahdi Raja is neither open nor active in this thread. It would take a year for us to extract the information from him, in which case there might not be the bug or problem, he tries to explain, exists.
Lets keep our energy to support a better problem. Also please note the point he is just trying to get support for his argument not for fixing his problem. It would be useless for us to even give a solution to him, as he will never accept it.
Thanks,
Sujai
> On 17-Nov-2014, at 1:38 pm, Vadim Kimlaychuk <Va...@Elion.ee> wrote:
>
> Hello Mohhamad,
>
> I think your words would be more valuable if you add some facts to this discussions. It is really hard to understand how deep have you been involved into different cloud platforms evaluation and what these platforms were. It seems you haven't tried more than just "demo".
> We have tried for ourselves CloudStack, OpenStack and onApp. I can't say any of these platform is non-problematic. As far as you try basic setup you may have feeling that other platforms are better than CS, but when you go to production configuration -- the hell begins. Each platform has its pros and cons and for sure people will choose different ones. I have chosen CS because I know JAVA better than Python and I appreciate solid-rock architecture design of CS that makes scalability problems less valuable than at OpenStack, for example.
> If you would like to make business - I will suggest to split you efforts and concentrate on business part. CS installation/bug fixing and other technical stuff you can buy from the professionals. We have partners that successfully make business having banks and other big companies at CS cloud. They have outsourced installation and bug fixing and are pretty happy with CS.
>
> Vadim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:01 PM
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Wasting Time !
>
> Thanks for your answers,
>
> I installed different version on different infrastructure during the time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we are all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
>
> Any one disagrees ?
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Mohammed,
>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
>> time? Do you have any specific issues that need addressing that you
>> could not? By Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users, governance?
>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is
>> wasting our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>>
>> Osay
>>
>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
>>> cloudstack?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Vihar K
>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit
>>>> more
>>> why
>>>> you're feeling that way.
>>>>
>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not
>>>> waste your time? etc.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Erik
>>>>
>>>
>>
RE: Wasting Time !
Posted by Vadim Kimlaychuk <Va...@Elion.ee>.
Hello Mohhamad,
I think your words would be more valuable if you add some facts to this discussions. It is really hard to understand how deep have you been involved into different cloud platforms evaluation and what these platforms were. It seems you haven't tried more than just "demo".
We have tried for ourselves CloudStack, OpenStack and onApp. I can't say any of these platform is non-problematic. As far as you try basic setup you may have feeling that other platforms are better than CS, but when you go to production configuration -- the hell begins. Each platform has its pros and cons and for sure people will choose different ones. I have chosen CS because I know JAVA better than Python and I appreciate solid-rock architecture design of CS that makes scalability problems less valuable than at OpenStack, for example.
If you would like to make business - I will suggest to split you efforts and concentrate on business part. CS installation/bug fixing and other technical stuff you can buy from the professionals. We have partners that successfully make business having banks and other big companies at CS cloud. They have outsourced installation and bug fixing and are pretty happy with CS.
Vadim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:01 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Wasting Time !
Thanks for your answers,
I installed different version on different infrastructure during the time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we are all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
Any one disagrees ?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mohammed,
> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
> time? Do you have any specific issues that need addressing that you
> could not? By Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users, governance?
> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is
> wasting our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>
> Osay
>
> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
> > cloudstack?
> >
> > Regards
> > Vihar K
> > On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> > mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> > > > Unfortunately I think so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit
> > > more
> > why
> > > you're feeling that way.
> > >
> > > Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not
> > > waste your time? etc.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik
> > >
> >
>
RE: Wasting Time !
Posted by Sudha Ponnaganti <su...@citrix.com>.
Muhammad,
Can you elaborate a little bit on specific issues that you are seeing? Looks like you have deployed CS and seemed to work on it a bit. If you can explain your use cases and specific issues community can help. Even if there is a problem, a solution can be provided.
Thanks
/ sudha
-------- Original message --------
From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja
Date:11/15/2014 11:04 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Wasting Time !
Thanks for your answers,
I installed different version on different infrastructure during the time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we are all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
Any one disagrees ?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mohammed,
> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our time? Do
> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could not? By
> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users, governance?
> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is wasting
> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>
> Osay
>
> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
> > cloudstack?
> >
> > Regards
> > Vihar K
> > On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> > mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> > > > Unfortunately I think so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit more
> > why
> > > you're feeling that way.
> > >
> > > Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not waste
> > > your time? etc.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik
> > >
> >
>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Ron Wheeler <rw...@artifact-software.com>.
+1 on documentation.
Previous version was simply wrong and could have never been tested.
Bug report had been open for a year at that point.
I have not tried the latest version.
Are all of the documentation bugs fixed and tested?
Ron
On 17/11/2014 3:07 PM, Andrija Panic wrote:
> Gents - my point of view on the cloudstack and the work arround it is the
> folowing:
>
> - Pretty lacking documentation
> - Working on new fancy features - instead of making current features work
> at all...
> - Few examples:
> -- new vxlan isolation method was introduced some release ago - default
> MTU of 1450 is used - which makes need that every VM has lowered MTU
> inside, in order to fucntion AT ALL !
> -- KVM full snapshots don't work
> -- GUI needs serious polishing, and I mean serious ! from sorting objects
> by name or similar, to some bugs fix etc.
> -- Network throtling on only Public/Internet NIC of VPC/VR
> -- Usage server was HEAVILY broken, last time I got feedback from our
> developer who is working on billing (at least ACS 4.3.0)
> -- etc,etc,etc..
>
> I listed here just some of the issues I have reported, which have not been
> adresses AT ALL - when I say addressed, that means I did not get even
> replies.
> (Again, it is not me here not geting replies, but potentially large number
> of CS users that would benefit from the issues fixed.)
>
> But we have time obviously to spend replying on Mohammeds provocation (I
> say provocations since he is not replying to the thread) - instead of
> polishing the product and making basic things work.
>
> Again my 2 cents - just wanted to share my opinion on (un)completeness of
> the product.
> It's great for private use - but going public and trying to do business
> with cloudstack is at the moment very painful - works, but is very painfull
> and lacks some basic features.
>
> My opinion is that we need products polished, instead of slamming on the
> new fancy features, that nobody will use at the moment.
>
> Again, any cloud product is VERY complex - a great mixture of different
> technologies - so I understand it is not meant to be easy to operate and
> develop.
>
> Sorry for long post... I do my best to report bugs/imporvements and to make
> critics, but other than that - not being adeveloper, can't really help that
> much...
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>
>
> On 17 November 2014 16:18, Noel King <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I also disagree completely with this thread having also checked out and
>> installed Cloudstack competitors I found cloudstack probably the easiest
>> and stablest to get running. I come from a programming not infrastructure
>> backdrop and as pointed out previously implementing a private cloud is not
>> easy, but we managed to setup up for first Cloudstack cluster with 3
>> servers in under one day's effort, the documentation provided was
>> sufficient and was adequate for us to complete the task.
>>
>> I agree you with others you going to need to be more informative here on
>> your problems as I have always found the community responsive and excellent
>> to deal with.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> On 17 November 2014 15:05, Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From my perspective there are two issues being raised in this thread.
>>>
>>> 1. The original poster didn't actually ask a question, and despite
>> requests
>>> for more information, nothing which would allow us to help was
>>> forthcoming. We can't fix that which we don't know to be broken, and as
>>> we're all learning and building our respective experience can't hope to
>>> mirror that of anyone else.
>>>
>>> 2. CloudStack is like every piece of software I've ever worked with; it
>> has
>>> a learning curve. Cloud in general forces you to rethink your paradigms,
>>> and for me building my first CloudStack cloud took six weeks of
>> unlearning
>>> what I thought "best practice". Not everything I had to "unlearn" was
>>> CloudStack; some was just bad thinking called "best practice". There's
>>> lots of information out there, but a learning curve definitely exists,
>> and
>>> even today years after that first experience I continue to learn new
>> things
>>> about CloudStack.
>>>
>>> To Mohammad, I offer this suggestion. You've engaged with this
>> community,
>>> but specifics are lacking. It isn't reasonable for the community to
>> offer
>>> assistance without knowing what is troubling you. Expectations are an
>>> important part of that, and we don't know what yours were, only that
>> you're
>>> unhappy.
>>>
>>> Sandeep has raised specific issues, and I hope they were captured in
>> Jira (
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK). If they weren't then
>>> there is a very real possibility they won't be addressed until someone
>>> either reports it, or decides to directly fix it. I know I'm guilty of
>> not
>>> putting Jira reports in, and I suspect I'm not alone. We all have the
>>> power to complain, but we also have the power to help fix an issue by
>>> taking a few extra minutes to just report the issue, and reporting on a
>>> mailing list doesn't count.
>>>
>>> Sorry for getting on my soap box, but I figured this thread had a good
>>> chance of showing up in some index in the future and that I had an
>>> opportunity to give a bit of guidance. Hopefully I've not overstepped.
>>>
>>> -tim
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, sandeep khandekar <
>>> cloudstack.sandeep@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with him, it wastes time, but at the same time you are gaining
>>>> knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> If the documentation was done, he would not have faced this many
>>> problems.
>>>> Single node setup:
>>>> You never told why on restart/shutdown, you loose your secondary
>>>> storage(NFS). - May be we need to disable swap. Still I dont know the
>>>> answer.
>>>>
>>>> Multi-node setup
>>>> Why I cant view my instance. Everything was installed properly, I
>>> connected
>>>> to management server, logged in, Ubuntu instance was successfully
>> setup,
>>>> but I was unable to view it. It showed an error, I forgot the error.
>> why?
>>>> Devloper cloudstack
>>>> Problems with devcloud in devlopment environment.
>>>> devcloud2 never works - then why you mention in your books, links and
>>> docs,
>>>> why dont you refer to devcloud4 in which many changes are done daily.
>>>> Sometimes user gets broken devcloud4, and they get freaked out.
>>>>
>>>> Its not as simple as Vagrant up and vagrant halt.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry I learnt a lot, but we should agree with him, as a starter it
>> took
>>> 9
>>>> months still the job is unfinished. Stopped it, because I freaked out,
>>> and
>>>> I am taking rest, will be back soon.
>>>>
>>>> Dont think it is waste of time speaking, many people are not speaking
>>>> because, they are thinking, in future they may not get the answers for
>>>> their queries.
>>>>
>>>> Cloudstack we love it, but we dont know how to work with it, we are
>>>> learining, and we will be masters soon.
>>>>
>>>> Many people help us here on this group. That is the biggest achievement
>>> of
>>>> these group, but you dont reveal the real recipe because you may loose
>>>> bussiness.
>>>>
>>>> This are my views and I dont mean to hurt anyone in anyway.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Francois Gaudreault <
>>>> fgaudreault@cloudops.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One thing I agree for sure, the thread title is right, that
>> discussion
>>> is
>>>>> starting to be a waste of time :) (although very entertaining)
>>>>>
>>>>> FG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-11-17 4:36 AM, sebgoa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your answers,
>>>>>>> I installed different version on different infrastructure during
>> the
>>>>>>> time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many
>>>>>>> non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that
>> we
>>>> are
>>>>>>> all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we
>>> are
>>>>>>> wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any one disagrees ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
>>>>>> Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oyuuni@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mohammed,
>>>>>>>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
>>>>>>>> time? Do
>>>>>>>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could
>>> not?
>>>>>>>> By
>>>>>>>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users,
>>>>>>>> governance?
>>>>>>>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is
>>>> wasting
>>>>>>>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Osay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting
>> up
>>>>>>>>> cloudstack?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Vihar K
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
>>>>>>>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our
>>> times
>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a
>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you're feeling that way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to
>> not
>>>>>>>>>> waste
>>>>>>>>>> your time? etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Francois Gaudreault
>>>>> Gestionnaire de Produit | Product Manager - Cloud Platform & Services
>>>>> t:514-629-6775
>>>>>
>>>>> CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Experts
>>>>> 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
>>>>> w: cloudops.com | tw: @CloudOps_
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> SANDEEP KHANDEKAR
>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>> Department of Computer science and engineering
>>>> Sreenidhi Institute of science and Technology
>>>> Hyderabad
>>>>
>
>
--
Ron Wheeler
President
Artifact Software Inc
email: rwheeler@artifact-software.com
skype: ronaldmwheeler
phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Andrija Panic <an...@gmail.com>.
Gents - my point of view on the cloudstack and the work arround it is the
folowing:
- Pretty lacking documentation
- Working on new fancy features - instead of making current features work
at all...
- Few examples:
-- new vxlan isolation method was introduced some release ago - default
MTU of 1450 is used - which makes need that every VM has lowered MTU
inside, in order to fucntion AT ALL !
-- KVM full snapshots don't work
-- GUI needs serious polishing, and I mean serious ! from sorting objects
by name or similar, to some bugs fix etc.
-- Network throtling on only Public/Internet NIC of VPC/VR
-- Usage server was HEAVILY broken, last time I got feedback from our
developer who is working on billing (at least ACS 4.3.0)
-- etc,etc,etc..
I listed here just some of the issues I have reported, which have not been
adresses AT ALL - when I say addressed, that means I did not get even
replies.
(Again, it is not me here not geting replies, but potentially large number
of CS users that would benefit from the issues fixed.)
But we have time obviously to spend replying on Mohammeds provocation (I
say provocations since he is not replying to the thread) - instead of
polishing the product and making basic things work.
Again my 2 cents - just wanted to share my opinion on (un)completeness of
the product.
It's great for private use - but going public and trying to do business
with cloudstack is at the moment very painful - works, but is very painfull
and lacks some basic features.
My opinion is that we need products polished, instead of slamming on the
new fancy features, that nobody will use at the moment.
Again, any cloud product is VERY complex - a great mixture of different
technologies - so I understand it is not meant to be easy to operate and
develop.
Sorry for long post... I do my best to report bugs/imporvements and to make
critics, but other than that - not being adeveloper, can't really help that
much...
-
On 17 November 2014 16:18, Noel King <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I also disagree completely with this thread having also checked out and
> installed Cloudstack competitors I found cloudstack probably the easiest
> and stablest to get running. I come from a programming not infrastructure
> backdrop and as pointed out previously implementing a private cloud is not
> easy, but we managed to setup up for first Cloudstack cluster with 3
> servers in under one day's effort, the documentation provided was
> sufficient and was adequate for us to complete the task.
>
> I agree you with others you going to need to be more informative here on
> your problems as I have always found the community responsive and excellent
> to deal with.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Noel
>
> On 17 November 2014 15:05, Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From my perspective there are two issues being raised in this thread.
> >
> > 1. The original poster didn't actually ask a question, and despite
> requests
> > for more information, nothing which would allow us to help was
> > forthcoming. We can't fix that which we don't know to be broken, and as
> > we're all learning and building our respective experience can't hope to
> > mirror that of anyone else.
> >
> > 2. CloudStack is like every piece of software I've ever worked with; it
> has
> > a learning curve. Cloud in general forces you to rethink your paradigms,
> > and for me building my first CloudStack cloud took six weeks of
> unlearning
> > what I thought "best practice". Not everything I had to "unlearn" was
> > CloudStack; some was just bad thinking called "best practice". There's
> > lots of information out there, but a learning curve definitely exists,
> and
> > even today years after that first experience I continue to learn new
> things
> > about CloudStack.
> >
> > To Mohammad, I offer this suggestion. You've engaged with this
> community,
> > but specifics are lacking. It isn't reasonable for the community to
> offer
> > assistance without knowing what is troubling you. Expectations are an
> > important part of that, and we don't know what yours were, only that
> you're
> > unhappy.
> >
> > Sandeep has raised specific issues, and I hope they were captured in
> Jira (
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK). If they weren't then
> > there is a very real possibility they won't be addressed until someone
> > either reports it, or decides to directly fix it. I know I'm guilty of
> not
> > putting Jira reports in, and I suspect I'm not alone. We all have the
> > power to complain, but we also have the power to help fix an issue by
> > taking a few extra minutes to just report the issue, and reporting on a
> > mailing list doesn't count.
> >
> > Sorry for getting on my soap box, but I figured this thread had a good
> > chance of showing up in some index in the future and that I had an
> > opportunity to give a bit of guidance. Hopefully I've not overstepped.
> >
> > -tim
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, sandeep khandekar <
> > cloudstack.sandeep@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with him, it wastes time, but at the same time you are gaining
> > > knowledge.
> > >
> > > If the documentation was done, he would not have faced this many
> > problems.
> > >
> > > Single node setup:
> > > You never told why on restart/shutdown, you loose your secondary
> > > storage(NFS). - May be we need to disable swap. Still I dont know the
> > > answer.
> > >
> > > Multi-node setup
> > > Why I cant view my instance. Everything was installed properly, I
> > connected
> > > to management server, logged in, Ubuntu instance was successfully
> setup,
> > > but I was unable to view it. It showed an error, I forgot the error.
> why?
> > >
> > > Devloper cloudstack
> > > Problems with devcloud in devlopment environment.
> > > devcloud2 never works - then why you mention in your books, links and
> > docs,
> > > why dont you refer to devcloud4 in which many changes are done daily.
> > > Sometimes user gets broken devcloud4, and they get freaked out.
> > >
> > > Its not as simple as Vagrant up and vagrant halt.
> > >
> > > Sorry I learnt a lot, but we should agree with him, as a starter it
> took
> > 9
> > > months still the job is unfinished. Stopped it, because I freaked out,
> > and
> > > I am taking rest, will be back soon.
> > >
> > > Dont think it is waste of time speaking, many people are not speaking
> > > because, they are thinking, in future they may not get the answers for
> > > their queries.
> > >
> > > Cloudstack we love it, but we dont know how to work with it, we are
> > > learining, and we will be masters soon.
> > >
> > > Many people help us here on this group. That is the biggest achievement
> > of
> > > these group, but you dont reveal the real recipe because you may loose
> > > bussiness.
> > >
> > > This are my views and I dont mean to hurt anyone in anyway.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Francois Gaudreault <
> > > fgaudreault@cloudops.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > One thing I agree for sure, the thread title is right, that
> discussion
> > is
> > > > starting to be a waste of time :) (although very entertaining)
> > > >
> > > > FG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2014-11-17 4:36 AM, sebgoa wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for your answers,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I installed different version on different infrastructure during
> the
> > > >>> time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many
> > > >>> non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that
> we
> > > are
> > > >>> all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we
> > are
> > > >>> wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Any one disagrees ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
> > > >>
> > > >> Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oyuuni@gmail.com
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi Mohammed,
> > > >>>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
> > > >>>> time? Do
> > > >>>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could
> > not?
> > > >>>> By
> > > >>>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users,
> > > >>>> governance?
> > > >>>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is
> > > wasting
> > > >>>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Osay
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting
> up
> > > >>>>> cloudstack?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>> Vihar K
> > > >>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Dear All,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our
> > times
> > > ?
> > > >>>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a
> > bit
> > > >>>>>> more
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> why
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> you're feeling that way.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to
> not
> > > >>>>>> waste
> > > >>>>>> your time? etc.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> Erik
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Francois Gaudreault
> > > > Gestionnaire de Produit | Product Manager - Cloud Platform & Services
> > > > t:514-629-6775
> > > >
> > > > CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > > 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> > > > w: cloudops.com | tw: @CloudOps_
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > SANDEEP KHANDEKAR
> > > Assistant Professor
> > > Department of Computer science and engineering
> > > Sreenidhi Institute of science and Technology
> > > Hyderabad
> > >
> >
>
--
Andrija Panić
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Andrija Panic <an...@gmail.com>.
Gents - my point of view on the cloudstack and the work arround it is the
folowing:
- Pretty lacking documentation
- Working on new fancy features - instead of making current features work
at all...
- Few examples:
-- new vxlan isolation method was introduced some release ago - default
MTU of 1450 is used - which makes need that every VM has lowered MTU
inside, in order to fucntion AT ALL !
-- KVM full snapshots don't work
-- GUI needs serious polishing, and I mean serious ! from sorting objects
by name or similar, to some bugs fix etc.
-- Network throtling on only Public/Internet NIC of VPC/VR
-- Usage server was HEAVILY broken, last time I got feedback from our
developer who is working on billing (at least ACS 4.3.0)
-- etc,etc,etc..
I listed here just some of the issues I have reported, which have not been
adresses AT ALL - when I say addressed, that means I did not get even
replies.
(Again, it is not me here not geting replies, but potentially large number
of CS users that would benefit from the issues fixed.)
But we have time obviously to spend replying on Mohammeds provocation (I
say provocations since he is not replying to the thread) - instead of
polishing the product and making basic things work.
Again my 2 cents - just wanted to share my opinion on (un)completeness of
the product.
It's great for private use - but going public and trying to do business
with cloudstack is at the moment very painful - works, but is very painfull
and lacks some basic features.
My opinion is that we need products polished, instead of slamming on the
new fancy features, that nobody will use at the moment.
Again, any cloud product is VERY complex - a great mixture of different
technologies - so I understand it is not meant to be easy to operate and
develop.
Sorry for long post... I do my best to report bugs/imporvements and to make
critics, but other than that - not being adeveloper, can't really help that
much...
-
On 17 November 2014 16:18, Noel King <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I also disagree completely with this thread having also checked out and
> installed Cloudstack competitors I found cloudstack probably the easiest
> and stablest to get running. I come from a programming not infrastructure
> backdrop and as pointed out previously implementing a private cloud is not
> easy, but we managed to setup up for first Cloudstack cluster with 3
> servers in under one day's effort, the documentation provided was
> sufficient and was adequate for us to complete the task.
>
> I agree you with others you going to need to be more informative here on
> your problems as I have always found the community responsive and excellent
> to deal with.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Noel
>
> On 17 November 2014 15:05, Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From my perspective there are two issues being raised in this thread.
> >
> > 1. The original poster didn't actually ask a question, and despite
> requests
> > for more information, nothing which would allow us to help was
> > forthcoming. We can't fix that which we don't know to be broken, and as
> > we're all learning and building our respective experience can't hope to
> > mirror that of anyone else.
> >
> > 2. CloudStack is like every piece of software I've ever worked with; it
> has
> > a learning curve. Cloud in general forces you to rethink your paradigms,
> > and for me building my first CloudStack cloud took six weeks of
> unlearning
> > what I thought "best practice". Not everything I had to "unlearn" was
> > CloudStack; some was just bad thinking called "best practice". There's
> > lots of information out there, but a learning curve definitely exists,
> and
> > even today years after that first experience I continue to learn new
> things
> > about CloudStack.
> >
> > To Mohammad, I offer this suggestion. You've engaged with this
> community,
> > but specifics are lacking. It isn't reasonable for the community to
> offer
> > assistance without knowing what is troubling you. Expectations are an
> > important part of that, and we don't know what yours were, only that
> you're
> > unhappy.
> >
> > Sandeep has raised specific issues, and I hope they were captured in
> Jira (
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK). If they weren't then
> > there is a very real possibility they won't be addressed until someone
> > either reports it, or decides to directly fix it. I know I'm guilty of
> not
> > putting Jira reports in, and I suspect I'm not alone. We all have the
> > power to complain, but we also have the power to help fix an issue by
> > taking a few extra minutes to just report the issue, and reporting on a
> > mailing list doesn't count.
> >
> > Sorry for getting on my soap box, but I figured this thread had a good
> > chance of showing up in some index in the future and that I had an
> > opportunity to give a bit of guidance. Hopefully I've not overstepped.
> >
> > -tim
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, sandeep khandekar <
> > cloudstack.sandeep@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with him, it wastes time, but at the same time you are gaining
> > > knowledge.
> > >
> > > If the documentation was done, he would not have faced this many
> > problems.
> > >
> > > Single node setup:
> > > You never told why on restart/shutdown, you loose your secondary
> > > storage(NFS). - May be we need to disable swap. Still I dont know the
> > > answer.
> > >
> > > Multi-node setup
> > > Why I cant view my instance. Everything was installed properly, I
> > connected
> > > to management server, logged in, Ubuntu instance was successfully
> setup,
> > > but I was unable to view it. It showed an error, I forgot the error.
> why?
> > >
> > > Devloper cloudstack
> > > Problems with devcloud in devlopment environment.
> > > devcloud2 never works - then why you mention in your books, links and
> > docs,
> > > why dont you refer to devcloud4 in which many changes are done daily.
> > > Sometimes user gets broken devcloud4, and they get freaked out.
> > >
> > > Its not as simple as Vagrant up and vagrant halt.
> > >
> > > Sorry I learnt a lot, but we should agree with him, as a starter it
> took
> > 9
> > > months still the job is unfinished. Stopped it, because I freaked out,
> > and
> > > I am taking rest, will be back soon.
> > >
> > > Dont think it is waste of time speaking, many people are not speaking
> > > because, they are thinking, in future they may not get the answers for
> > > their queries.
> > >
> > > Cloudstack we love it, but we dont know how to work with it, we are
> > > learining, and we will be masters soon.
> > >
> > > Many people help us here on this group. That is the biggest achievement
> > of
> > > these group, but you dont reveal the real recipe because you may loose
> > > bussiness.
> > >
> > > This are my views and I dont mean to hurt anyone in anyway.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Francois Gaudreault <
> > > fgaudreault@cloudops.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > One thing I agree for sure, the thread title is right, that
> discussion
> > is
> > > > starting to be a waste of time :) (although very entertaining)
> > > >
> > > > FG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2014-11-17 4:36 AM, sebgoa wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for your answers,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I installed different version on different infrastructure during
> the
> > > >>> time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many
> > > >>> non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that
> we
> > > are
> > > >>> all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we
> > are
> > > >>> wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Any one disagrees ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
> > > >>
> > > >> Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oyuuni@gmail.com
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi Mohammed,
> > > >>>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
> > > >>>> time? Do
> > > >>>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could
> > not?
> > > >>>> By
> > > >>>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users,
> > > >>>> governance?
> > > >>>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is
> > > wasting
> > > >>>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Osay
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting
> up
> > > >>>>> cloudstack?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>> Vihar K
> > > >>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Dear All,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our
> > times
> > > ?
> > > >>>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a
> > bit
> > > >>>>>> more
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> why
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> you're feeling that way.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to
> not
> > > >>>>>> waste
> > > >>>>>> your time? etc.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> Erik
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Francois Gaudreault
> > > > Gestionnaire de Produit | Product Manager - Cloud Platform & Services
> > > > t:514-629-6775
> > > >
> > > > CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > > 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> > > > w: cloudops.com | tw: @CloudOps_
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > SANDEEP KHANDEKAR
> > > Assistant Professor
> > > Department of Computer science and engineering
> > > Sreenidhi Institute of science and Technology
> > > Hyderabad
> > >
> >
>
--
Andrija Panić
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Noel King <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I also disagree completely with this thread having also checked out and
installed Cloudstack competitors I found cloudstack probably the easiest
and stablest to get running. I come from a programming not infrastructure
backdrop and as pointed out previously implementing a private cloud is not
easy, but we managed to setup up for first Cloudstack cluster with 3
servers in under one day's effort, the documentation provided was
sufficient and was adequate for us to complete the task.
I agree you with others you going to need to be more informative here on
your problems as I have always found the community responsive and excellent
to deal with.
Kind regards
Noel
On 17 November 2014 15:05, Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From my perspective there are two issues being raised in this thread.
>
> 1. The original poster didn't actually ask a question, and despite requests
> for more information, nothing which would allow us to help was
> forthcoming. We can't fix that which we don't know to be broken, and as
> we're all learning and building our respective experience can't hope to
> mirror that of anyone else.
>
> 2. CloudStack is like every piece of software I've ever worked with; it has
> a learning curve. Cloud in general forces you to rethink your paradigms,
> and for me building my first CloudStack cloud took six weeks of unlearning
> what I thought "best practice". Not everything I had to "unlearn" was
> CloudStack; some was just bad thinking called "best practice". There's
> lots of information out there, but a learning curve definitely exists, and
> even today years after that first experience I continue to learn new things
> about CloudStack.
>
> To Mohammad, I offer this suggestion. You've engaged with this community,
> but specifics are lacking. It isn't reasonable for the community to offer
> assistance without knowing what is troubling you. Expectations are an
> important part of that, and we don't know what yours were, only that you're
> unhappy.
>
> Sandeep has raised specific issues, and I hope they were captured in Jira (
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK). If they weren't then
> there is a very real possibility they won't be addressed until someone
> either reports it, or decides to directly fix it. I know I'm guilty of not
> putting Jira reports in, and I suspect I'm not alone. We all have the
> power to complain, but we also have the power to help fix an issue by
> taking a few extra minutes to just report the issue, and reporting on a
> mailing list doesn't count.
>
> Sorry for getting on my soap box, but I figured this thread had a good
> chance of showing up in some index in the future and that I had an
> opportunity to give a bit of guidance. Hopefully I've not overstepped.
>
> -tim
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, sandeep khandekar <
> cloudstack.sandeep@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree with him, it wastes time, but at the same time you are gaining
> > knowledge.
> >
> > If the documentation was done, he would not have faced this many
> problems.
> >
> > Single node setup:
> > You never told why on restart/shutdown, you loose your secondary
> > storage(NFS). - May be we need to disable swap. Still I dont know the
> > answer.
> >
> > Multi-node setup
> > Why I cant view my instance. Everything was installed properly, I
> connected
> > to management server, logged in, Ubuntu instance was successfully setup,
> > but I was unable to view it. It showed an error, I forgot the error. why?
> >
> > Devloper cloudstack
> > Problems with devcloud in devlopment environment.
> > devcloud2 never works - then why you mention in your books, links and
> docs,
> > why dont you refer to devcloud4 in which many changes are done daily.
> > Sometimes user gets broken devcloud4, and they get freaked out.
> >
> > Its not as simple as Vagrant up and vagrant halt.
> >
> > Sorry I learnt a lot, but we should agree with him, as a starter it took
> 9
> > months still the job is unfinished. Stopped it, because I freaked out,
> and
> > I am taking rest, will be back soon.
> >
> > Dont think it is waste of time speaking, many people are not speaking
> > because, they are thinking, in future they may not get the answers for
> > their queries.
> >
> > Cloudstack we love it, but we dont know how to work with it, we are
> > learining, and we will be masters soon.
> >
> > Many people help us here on this group. That is the biggest achievement
> of
> > these group, but you dont reveal the real recipe because you may loose
> > bussiness.
> >
> > This are my views and I dont mean to hurt anyone in anyway.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Francois Gaudreault <
> > fgaudreault@cloudops.com> wrote:
> >
> > > One thing I agree for sure, the thread title is right, that discussion
> is
> > > starting to be a waste of time :) (although very entertaining)
> > >
> > > FG
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2014-11-17 4:36 AM, sebgoa wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mraja@shirazu.ac.ir
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your answers,
> > >>>
> > >>> I installed different version on different infrastructure during the
> > >>> time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many
> > >>> non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we
> > are
> > >>> all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we
> are
> > >>> wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
> > >>>
> > >>> Any one disagrees ?
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
> > >>
> > >> Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
> > >>
> > >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
> > >>
> > >> Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Mohammed,
> > >>>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
> > >>>> time? Do
> > >>>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could
> not?
> > >>>> By
> > >>>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users,
> > >>>> governance?
> > >>>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is
> > wasting
> > >>>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Osay
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
> > >>>>> cloudstack?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards
> > >>>>> Vihar K
> > >>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Dear All,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our
> times
> > ?
> > >>>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a
> bit
> > >>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> why
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> you're feeling that way.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not
> > >>>>>> waste
> > >>>>>> your time? etc.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Erik
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Francois Gaudreault
> > > Gestionnaire de Produit | Product Manager - Cloud Platform & Services
> > > t:514-629-6775
> > >
> > > CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> > > w: cloudops.com | tw: @CloudOps_
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > SANDEEP KHANDEKAR
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Computer science and engineering
> > Sreenidhi Institute of science and Technology
> > Hyderabad
> >
>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com>.
>From my perspective there are two issues being raised in this thread.
1. The original poster didn't actually ask a question, and despite requests
for more information, nothing which would allow us to help was
forthcoming. We can't fix that which we don't know to be broken, and as
we're all learning and building our respective experience can't hope to
mirror that of anyone else.
2. CloudStack is like every piece of software I've ever worked with; it has
a learning curve. Cloud in general forces you to rethink your paradigms,
and for me building my first CloudStack cloud took six weeks of unlearning
what I thought "best practice". Not everything I had to "unlearn" was
CloudStack; some was just bad thinking called "best practice". There's
lots of information out there, but a learning curve definitely exists, and
even today years after that first experience I continue to learn new things
about CloudStack.
To Mohammad, I offer this suggestion. You've engaged with this community,
but specifics are lacking. It isn't reasonable for the community to offer
assistance without knowing what is troubling you. Expectations are an
important part of that, and we don't know what yours were, only that you're
unhappy.
Sandeep has raised specific issues, and I hope they were captured in Jira (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK). If they weren't then
there is a very real possibility they won't be addressed until someone
either reports it, or decides to directly fix it. I know I'm guilty of not
putting Jira reports in, and I suspect I'm not alone. We all have the
power to complain, but we also have the power to help fix an issue by
taking a few extra minutes to just report the issue, and reporting on a
mailing list doesn't count.
Sorry for getting on my soap box, but I figured this thread had a good
chance of showing up in some index in the future and that I had an
opportunity to give a bit of guidance. Hopefully I've not overstepped.
-tim
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:27 AM, sandeep khandekar <
cloudstack.sandeep@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with him, it wastes time, but at the same time you are gaining
> knowledge.
>
> If the documentation was done, he would not have faced this many problems.
>
> Single node setup:
> You never told why on restart/shutdown, you loose your secondary
> storage(NFS). - May be we need to disable swap. Still I dont know the
> answer.
>
> Multi-node setup
> Why I cant view my instance. Everything was installed properly, I connected
> to management server, logged in, Ubuntu instance was successfully setup,
> but I was unable to view it. It showed an error, I forgot the error. why?
>
> Devloper cloudstack
> Problems with devcloud in devlopment environment.
> devcloud2 never works - then why you mention in your books, links and docs,
> why dont you refer to devcloud4 in which many changes are done daily.
> Sometimes user gets broken devcloud4, and they get freaked out.
>
> Its not as simple as Vagrant up and vagrant halt.
>
> Sorry I learnt a lot, but we should agree with him, as a starter it took 9
> months still the job is unfinished. Stopped it, because I freaked out, and
> I am taking rest, will be back soon.
>
> Dont think it is waste of time speaking, many people are not speaking
> because, they are thinking, in future they may not get the answers for
> their queries.
>
> Cloudstack we love it, but we dont know how to work with it, we are
> learining, and we will be masters soon.
>
> Many people help us here on this group. That is the biggest achievement of
> these group, but you dont reveal the real recipe because you may loose
> bussiness.
>
> This are my views and I dont mean to hurt anyone in anyway.
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Francois Gaudreault <
> fgaudreault@cloudops.com> wrote:
>
> > One thing I agree for sure, the thread title is right, that discussion is
> > starting to be a waste of time :) (although very entertaining)
> >
> > FG
> >
> >
> > On 2014-11-17 4:36 AM, sebgoa wrote:
> >
> >> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for your answers,
> >>>
> >>> I installed different version on different infrastructure during the
> >>> time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many
> >>> non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we
> are
> >>> all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are
> >>> wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
> >>>
> >>> Any one disagrees ?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
> >>
> >> Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
> >>
> >> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
> >>
> >> Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Mohammed,
> >>>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
> >>>> time? Do
> >>>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could not?
> >>>> By
> >>>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users,
> >>>> governance?
> >>>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is
> wasting
> >>>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Osay
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
> >>>>> cloudstack?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Vihar K
> >>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear All,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times
> ?
> >>>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> why
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> you're feeling that way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not
> >>>>>> waste
> >>>>>> your time? etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Erik
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >
> > --
> > Francois Gaudreault
> > Gestionnaire de Produit | Product Manager - Cloud Platform & Services
> > t:514-629-6775
> >
> > CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Experts
> > 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> > w: cloudops.com | tw: @CloudOps_
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> SANDEEP KHANDEKAR
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Computer science and engineering
> Sreenidhi Institute of science and Technology
> Hyderabad
>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by sandeep khandekar <cl...@gmail.com>.
I agree with him, it wastes time, but at the same time you are gaining
knowledge.
If the documentation was done, he would not have faced this many problems.
Single node setup:
You never told why on restart/shutdown, you loose your secondary
storage(NFS). - May be we need to disable swap. Still I dont know the
answer.
Multi-node setup
Why I cant view my instance. Everything was installed properly, I connected
to management server, logged in, Ubuntu instance was successfully setup,
but I was unable to view it. It showed an error, I forgot the error. why?
Devloper cloudstack
Problems with devcloud in devlopment environment.
devcloud2 never works - then why you mention in your books, links and docs,
why dont you refer to devcloud4 in which many changes are done daily.
Sometimes user gets broken devcloud4, and they get freaked out.
Its not as simple as Vagrant up and vagrant halt.
Sorry I learnt a lot, but we should agree with him, as a starter it took 9
months still the job is unfinished. Stopped it, because I freaked out, and
I am taking rest, will be back soon.
Dont think it is waste of time speaking, many people are not speaking
because, they are thinking, in future they may not get the answers for
their queries.
Cloudstack we love it, but we dont know how to work with it, we are
learining, and we will be masters soon.
Many people help us here on this group. That is the biggest achievement of
these group, but you dont reveal the real recipe because you may loose
bussiness.
This are my views and I dont mean to hurt anyone in anyway.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Francois Gaudreault <
fgaudreault@cloudops.com> wrote:
> One thing I agree for sure, the thread title is right, that discussion is
> starting to be a waste of time :) (although very entertaining)
>
> FG
>
>
> On 2014-11-17 4:36 AM, sebgoa wrote:
>
>> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your answers,
>>>
>>> I installed different version on different infrastructure during the
>>> time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many
>>> non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we are
>>> all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are
>>> wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
>>>
>>> Any one disagrees ?
>>>
>>> Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
>>
>> Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
>>
>> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
>>
>> Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mohammed,
>>>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our
>>>> time? Do
>>>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could not?
>>>> By
>>>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users,
>>>> governance?
>>>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is wasting
>>>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>>>>
>>>> Osay
>>>>
>>>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
>>>>> cloudstack?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Vihar K
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
>>>>>>
>>>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
>>>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>
>>>>> why
>>>>>
>>>>>> you're feeling that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not
>>>>>> waste
>>>>>> your time? etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Erik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
> --
> Francois Gaudreault
> Gestionnaire de Produit | Product Manager - Cloud Platform & Services
> t:514-629-6775
>
> CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
> w: cloudops.com | tw: @CloudOps_
>
>
--
SANDEEP KHANDEKAR
Assistant Professor
Department of Computer science and engineering
Sreenidhi Institute of science and Technology
Hyderabad
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Francois Gaudreault <fg...@cloudops.com>.
One thing I agree for sure, the thread title is right, that discussion
is starting to be a waste of time :) (although very entertaining)
FG
On 2014-11-17 4:36 AM, sebgoa wrote:
> On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your answers,
>>
>> I installed different version on different infrastructure during the time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we are all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
>>
>> Any one disagrees ?
>>
> Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
>
> Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
>
> http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
>
> Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
>
>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Mohammed,
>>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our time? Do
>>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could not? By
>>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users, governance?
>>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is wasting
>>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>>>
>>> Osay
>>>
>>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
>>>> cloudstack?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Vihar K
>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
>>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
>>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit more
>>>> why
>>>>> you're feeling that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not waste
>>>>> your time? etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Erik
>>>>>
--
Francois Gaudreault
Gestionnaire de Produit | Product Manager - Cloud Platform & Services
t:514-629-6775
CloudOps Votre partenaire infonuagique | Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy | Montreal | Quebec | H3J 1S6
w: cloudops.com | tw: @CloudOps_
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by sebgoa <ru...@gmail.com>.
On Nov 15, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir> wrote:
> Thanks for your answers,
>
> I installed different version on different infrastructure during the time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we are all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
>
> Any one disagrees ?
>
Yes, I do, I 100% disagree.
Just buy my book and you will be enlightened:
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920034377.do
Ps: slighlty sarcastic answer :) enjoy
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Mohammed,
>> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our time? Do
>> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could not? By
>> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users, governance?
>> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is wasting
>> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>>
>> Osay
>>
>> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
>>> cloudstack?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Vihar K
>>> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
>>> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
>>>>> Unfortunately I think so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit more
>>> why
>>>> you're feeling that way.
>>>>
>>>> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not waste
>>>> your time? etc.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Erik
>>>>
>>>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir>.
Thanks for your answers,
I installed different version on different infrastructure during the time. It is somehow much more unstable that other competitors. Many non-documented issues and many unpredictable problems. I know that we are all here to help each others to feel good about it, but I think we are wasting our times on solving issues instead of doing business !
Any one disagrees ?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 12:33 PM, Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mohammed,
> I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our time? Do
> you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could not? By
> Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users, governance?
> Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is wasting
> our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
>
> Osay
>
> On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
> > cloudstack?
> >
> > Regards
> > Vihar K
> > On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> > mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> > > > Unfortunately I think so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit more
> > why
> > > you're feeling that way.
> > >
> > > Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not waste
> > > your time? etc.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik
> > >
> >
>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Osay Osman Yuuni <oy...@gmail.com>.
Hi Mohammed,
I'd be interested to know why you think Cloudstack is waiting our time? Do
you have any specific issues that need addressing that you could not? By
Cloudstack who do you actually mean? The contributors, users, governance?
Unless you're able to tell us what makes you think Cloudstack is wasting
our times I'm afraid I don't see how we can agree with you.
Osay
On 10 November 2014 10:54, Vihar <vi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
> cloudstack?
>
> Regards
> Vihar K
> On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <
> mraja@shirazu.ac.ir>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> > > Unfortunately I think so.
> > >
> > >
> > It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit more
> why
> > you're feeling that way.
> >
> > Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not waste
> > your time? etc.
> >
> > --
> > Erik
> >
>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Vihar <vi...@gmail.com>.
Was your questions not answered? Or you have issues with setting up
cloudstack?
Regards
Vihar K
On Nov 10, 2014 2:19 PM, "Erik Weber" <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> > Unfortunately I think so.
> >
> >
> It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit more why
> you're feeling that way.
>
> Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not waste
> your time? etc.
>
> --
> Erik
>
Re: Wasting Time !
Posted by Erik Weber <te...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Mohammad Mahdi Raja <mr...@shirazu.ac.ir>
wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ?
> Unfortunately I think so.
>
>
It's probably easier to answer your feelings if you describe a bit more why
you're feeling that way.
Why is CloudStack wasting your time? How can it be improved to not waste
your time? etc.
--
Erik
RE: Wasting Time !
Posted by Gurudatta Shinde <Gu...@tomtom.com>.
Dear Mohammad ,
Well I don't think so. Can you please more specific ? I would be more than happy to elaborate on this.
Regards,
-Guru
-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Mahdi Raja [mailto:mraja@shirazu.ac.ir]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:56 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Wasting Time !
Dear All,
Does every one have the sense that CloudStack is wasting our times ? Unfortunately I think so.
Regards