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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> on 2000/05/02 21:13:20 UTC
Wanna laugh?
read this
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2555159,00.html
> What amazes me the most is that open source has gained so much
> momentum without showing any goods. It's a dot-comall hype and
> speculation and no fundamentals. It's like an onion in a bushel
> of apples. Someone might notice that it looks and tastes different,
> but peel away its layers, and there's nothing there.
Some people simply aren't smart enough to get it.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
able to give birth to a dancing star.
<st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: question from another cocoon user...
Posted by Yann <yl...@ims.ltd.uk>.
> Hi Yann,
> sorry for bothering you, but I am working on a similar project and I am
> struggling with implementing user session and security. Did you use
> extra servlets or did you get the session taglib working? Currently I am
> thinking about a DB driven authentication with session tracking. I
> cannot help dreaming about a phplib-like site,user,role authentication
> mechanism per page. Something like:
>
> <page user="foo" role="users" security="high">
> ..
> </page>
Well effectively, each of my page has got at the beginning an xsp:logic
entity where I check wether the HttpSession object has got a particular
value ("loggedin") set to true (if the session object is null I create it,
creating a new session). If not I redirect to a login page. The login page
will check in a db whether the combination of username/password is in a
table. I use a business object Authentification for that. In case of success
I redirect to a main page or the page that people were trying to access
before being redirected to the login page. I then set the loggedin session
value to true.
Now I don't know wether that is the cleanest technic but it does the job.
Yann.
question from another cocoon user...
Posted by Roman Kunert <ro...@hsh-berlin.com>.
Yann wrote:
>
> > read this
> >
> > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2555159,00.html
> >
> > > What amazes me the most is that open source has gained so much
> > > momentum without showing any goods. It's a dot-com.all hype and
> > > speculation and no fundamentals. It's like an onion in a bushel
> > > of apples. Someone might notice that it looks and tastes different,
> > > but peel away its layers, and there's nothing there.
> >
> > Some people simply aren't smart enough to get it.
>
> Well, you know, some columnists are such attention-seekers...
>
> But let me tell you that I am just about to install my first Cocoon-powered
> web-app on a production server. It took me 3 week to write it: 1 to play
> with Cocoon and installation issues, 1 to write XSP pages and some Java
> business objects using JBuilder Foundation 3.5, finally 1 to design the look
> and feel, learning about XSL and dealing with cosmetic things.
>
> And it's there, my internal users can't wait to use it, I don't have to
> spend time installing stuff on people's PCs and I can patch my code whenever
> I want. The web-app deals with user session and security, does some database
> update and retrieves some resultsets.
>
> 3 weeks from not having used Cocoon nor the Apache server!!!
>
> And it's not even like I was a servlet-guru. I knew the concepts and was
> proficient in Java, that's all.
>
> Basically, it all happened because Cocoon is a damned clever framework.
> People were also very helpful on the list. The guy who wrote this article is
> just trying to sound clever but doesn't have a grasp on reality.
>
> Yann.
Hi Yann,
sorry for bothering you, but I am working on a similar project and I am
struggling with implementing user session and security. Did you use
extra servlets or did you get the session taglib working? Currently I am
thinking about a DB driven authentication with session tracking. I
cannot help dreaming about a phplib-like site,user,role authentication
mechanism per page. Something like:
<page user="foo" role="users" security="high">
..
</page>
If I'll have time I try to work on that.
Any help is welcome.
Thanks, Ro.
Re: Wanna laugh?
Posted by Yann <yl...@ims.ltd.uk>.
> read this
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2555159,00.html
>
> > What amazes me the most is that open source has gained so much
> > momentum without showing any goods. It's a dot-com.all hype and
> > speculation and no fundamentals. It's like an onion in a bushel
> > of apples. Someone might notice that it looks and tastes different,
> > but peel away its layers, and there's nothing there.
>
> Some people simply aren't smart enough to get it.
Well, you know, some columnists are such attention-seekers...
But let me tell you that I am just about to install my first Cocoon-powered
web-app on a production server. It took me 3 week to write it: 1 to play
with Cocoon and installation issues, 1 to write XSP pages and some Java
business objects using JBuilder Foundation 3.5, finally 1 to design the look
and feel, learning about XSL and dealing with cosmetic things.
And it's there, my internal users can't wait to use it, I don't have to
spend time installing stuff on people's PCs and I can patch my code whenever
I want. The web-app deals with user session and security, does some database
update and retrieves some resultsets.
3 weeks from not having used Cocoon nor the Apache server!!!
And it's not even like I was a servlet-guru. I knew the concepts and was
proficient in Java, that's all.
Basically, it all happened because Cocoon is a damned clever framework.
People were also very helpful on the list. The guy who wrote this article is
just trying to sound clever but doesn't have a grasp on reality.
Yann.
Re: Wanna laugh?
Posted by Tsoloane Moahloli <ts...@zen.co.za>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 5/2/00, 7:13:20 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> wrote
regarding Wanna laugh?:
> read this
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2555159,00.html
> > What amazes me the most is that open source has gained so much
> > momentum without showing any goods. It's a dot-comall hype and
> > speculation and no fundamentals. It's like an onion in a bushel
> > of apples. Someone might notice that it looks and tastes different,
> > but peel away its layers, and there's nothing there.
> Some people simply aren't smart enough to get it.
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be
> able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <st...@apache.org> Friedrich Nietzsche
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RE: Wanna laugh?
Posted by adam moore <Ad...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
An excellent rebuttal from Redhat bloke, Bob Young, has been posted:
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2560523,00.html
Dr Adam Moore
adam.moore@nottingham.ac.uk
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RE: Wanna laugh?
Posted by "Sanjaya N. Joshi" <sa...@bioinstrument.com>.
This guy has a happy view on life:
My theory is that this rag (PC Week) like others hires such rabble-rousers
so that their readership will increase!
His other recent articles in PC Week:
Commentary: Open source goes nowhere [PC Week , 05-01-2000]
The basic failure of XML is its premise [PC Week , 04-24-2000]
Startups narrowly avoid being e-plankton [PC Week , 04-17-2000]
Yahoo shoots for B2B and doesn't quite score [PC Week , 04-10-2000]
Stupid benchmark tricks will kill the industry [PC Week , 04-03-2000]
Commentary: Microsoft takes a step back [PC Week , 03-31-2000]
Sanjay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:stefano@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:13 PM
> To: Cocoon Users
> Subject: Wanna laugh?
>
>
> read this
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2555159,00.html
>
> > What amazes me the most is that open source has gained so much
> > momentum without showing any goods. It's a dot-comall hype and
> > speculation and no fundamentals. It's like an onion in a bushel
> > of apples. Someone might notice that it looks and tastes different,
> > but peel away its layers, and there's nothing there.
>
> Some people simply aren't smart enough to get it.
>
> --
> Stefano