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Posted to dev@openwhisk.apache.org by Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com> on 2016/12/09 20:17:56 UTC
Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Many of our developers are reliant upon Slack communications, in the open
this is primarily under the dwOpen Team (especially for API Gateway work).
As we want to try to move over existing message-based team communication
to the Apache community, we wish to preserve Slack as a mainstream
utility. How do we do this?
I see that there is a precedent for the Mesos project to have a Slack
domain:
http://mesos.apache.org/community/
specifically: https://mesos.slack.com/
This site leverages existing User IDs from @apache.org, @ibm.com, etc. The
text in the login screen includes the following:
"If you have an @apache.org, @ibm.com, @cn.ibm.com, @us.ibm.com,
@apple.com, @mesosphere.com, @mesosphere.io, @microsoft.com, @uber.com,
@nvidia.com, @projectcalico.org, @metaswitch.com, @emc.com or
@mojotech.com email address, you can create an account."
How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with these
additional domain-based account requirements?
Kind regards,
Matt Rutkowski
STSM, Master Inventor, IBM Open Cloud Technologies and Standards
Apache OpenWhisk Incubator, Initial Committer
Chair, Lead Editor OASIS TOSCA Simple Profile WG,
Co-Chair OASIS TOSCA Interop. SC,
Founder of DMTF Cloud Audit (CADF) Standard
mrutkows@us.ibm.com, mobile: 512-431-5002
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Jeremias Werner <je...@gmail.com>.
sweet, works like a charm!
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Michael M Behrendt <
Michaelbehrendt@de.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> Very nice! Thx a lot, Carlos
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 22 Jan 2017, at 05:02, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I started looking in setting up a webserver to setup a auto sign for the
> > Slack team, so anyone can join.
> >
> > But then I was, a webserver for this simple task really?
> >
> > I went ahead and created a simple serveless action, exposed with api
> > gateway, and a simple github page
> >
> > Boom OpenWhisk Slack Invite !
> >
> > Tell your serveless friends to join us in Slack:
> > https://csantanapr.github.io/openwhisk-slackinvite
> >
> > Backend is a 20 line OpenWhisk NodeJS Action
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just created a new Slack team today https://openwhisk-team.slack.com
> >> (openwhisk domain was already taken :-( )
> >>
> >> I think this will help users and grow the open community
> >>
> >> I proposed the following:
> >> - As community we join and use this Slack Team
> >> - Allow anyone to join automatically (we would would need to setup a
> >> simple web page (hopefully serverless)_ for folks to enter their email)
> >> - Treat it as IRC, water cooler, integrations to help daily dev tasks,
> >> etc.. Meaning also send people to join and use the dev list
> >> - Be aware that Slack is not the place to have converstations that are
> >> better to have in the dev list
> >> - Remember this is a free tier of Slack to messages start deleting after
> >> while, so grab to good questions, discussion, ideas, bugs, move it to
> >> issues, mailing list, wiki, etc..
> >>
> >> I added some email domains so some of you can join today
> >>
> >> We can discuss channel creations and integration once in Slack
> >>
> >> -- Carlos
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Continuing with Betrand's arguments, I would say is more a community
> than
> >> an infrastructure discussion. Therefore it should better go to
> >> general@incubator.a.o.
> >>
> >> On Dec 12, 2016 5:13 PM, "Matt Rutkowski" <mr...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I will repost my question to the "infra" email list... it seems another
> >> project has done this as indicated and would like to replicate...
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >>> On 2016-12-12 08:28 (-0600), Felix Meschberger <fm...@adobe.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Techno: Yes, I’d think infra are the guys to talk to. You might want to
> >> start with users(a)infra(dot)apache(dot)org and be ready to fill a JIRA
> >> ticket
> >>>
> >>> Community: I agree with Bertrand. This mailing list is the ulitmate
> >> channel. So if something does not happen here, it didn’t. And while
> Slack
> >> is not really forcibly synchronous (as opposed to Jabber and IRC), free
> >> Slack has a limit of the number of past messages you see. But then:
> Would
> >> there be an option to forward messages (or digests) from Slack to the
> >> mailing list ?
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Felix
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Am 12.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with
> >> these
> >>>>> additional domain-based account requirements?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But
> I
> >>>> guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or
> >> so.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org
> >> emails
> >>>> addresses: http://infra.chat
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> <http://infra.chat>
> >>>> <http://infra.chat>
> >>>> Sergio Fernández
> >>>> Partner Technology Manager
> >>>> Redlink GmbH
> >>>> m: +43 6602747925 <+43%20660%202747925>
> >>>> e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> >>>> w: http://redlink.co
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Rodric Rabbah <ro...@gmail.com>.
Very nice Carlos.
You can close this now https://github.com/openwhisk/openwhisk/issues/1538 :)
Make it available on our main repo page?
-r
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Michael M Behrendt <Mi...@de.ibm.com>.
Very nice! Thx a lot, Carlos
Sent from my iPhone
> On 22 Jan 2017, at 05:02, Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I started looking in setting up a webserver to setup a auto sign for the
> Slack team, so anyone can join.
>
> But then I was, a webserver for this simple task really?
>
> I went ahead and created a simple serveless action, exposed with api
> gateway, and a simple github page
>
> Boom OpenWhisk Slack Invite !
>
> Tell your serveless friends to join us in Slack:
> https://csantanapr.github.io/openwhisk-slackinvite
>
> Backend is a 20 line OpenWhisk NodeJS Action
>
>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> I just created a new Slack team today https://openwhisk-team.slack.com
>> (openwhisk domain was already taken :-( )
>>
>> I think this will help users and grow the open community
>>
>> I proposed the following:
>> - As community we join and use this Slack Team
>> - Allow anyone to join automatically (we would would need to setup a
>> simple web page (hopefully serverless)_ for folks to enter their email)
>> - Treat it as IRC, water cooler, integrations to help daily dev tasks,
>> etc.. Meaning also send people to join and use the dev list
>> - Be aware that Slack is not the place to have converstations that are
>> better to have in the dev list
>> - Remember this is a free tier of Slack to messages start deleting after
>> while, so grab to good questions, discussion, ideas, bugs, move it to
>> issues, mailing list, wiki, etc..
>>
>> I added some email domains so some of you can join today
>>
>> We can discuss channel creations and integration once in Slack
>>
>> -- Carlos
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Continuing with Betrand's arguments, I would say is more a community
than
>> an infrastructure discussion. Therefore it should better go to
>> general@incubator.a.o.
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2016 5:13 PM, "Matt Rutkowski" <mr...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I will repost my question to the "infra" email list... it seems another
>> project has done this as indicated and would like to replicate...
>>
>> Regards,
>> -Matt
>>
>>> On 2016-12-12 08:28 (-0600), Felix Meschberger <fm...@adobe.com>
wrote:
>>> Techno: Yes, I’d think infra are the guys to talk to. You might want to
>> start with users(a)infra(dot)apache(dot)org and be ready to fill a JIRA
>> ticket
>>>
>>> Community: I agree with Bertrand. This mailing list is the ulitmate
>> channel. So if something does not happen here, it didn’t. And while
Slack
>> is not really forcibly synchronous (as opposed to Jabber and IRC), free
>> Slack has a limit of the number of past messages you see. But then:
Would
>> there be an option to forward messages (or digests) from Slack to the
>> mailing list ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Felix
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 12.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with
>> these
>>>>> additional domain-based account requirements?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But
I
>>>> guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or
>> so.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org
>> emails
>>>> addresses: http://infra.chat
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> <http://infra.chat>
>>>> <http://infra.chat>
>>>> Sergio Fernández
>>>> Partner Technology Manager
>>>> Redlink GmbH
>>>> m: +43 6602747925 <+43%20660%202747925>
>>>> e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>>>> w: http://redlink.co
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.
I started looking in setting up a webserver to setup a auto sign for the
Slack team, so anyone can join.
But then I was, a webserver for this simple task really?
I went ahead and created a simple serveless action, exposed with api
gateway, and a simple github page
Boom OpenWhisk Slack Invite !
Tell your serveless friends to join us in Slack:
https://csantanapr.github.io/openwhisk-slackinvite
Backend is a 20 line OpenWhisk NodeJS Action
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:45 PM Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just created a new Slack team today https://openwhisk-team.slack.com
> (openwhisk domain was already taken :-( )
>
> I think this will help users and grow the open community
>
> I proposed the following:
> - As community we join and use this Slack Team
> - Allow anyone to join automatically (we would would need to setup a
> simple web page (hopefully serverless)_ for folks to enter their email)
> - Treat it as IRC, water cooler, integrations to help daily dev tasks,
> etc.. Meaning also send people to join and use the dev list
> - Be aware that Slack is not the place to have converstations that are
> better to have in the dev list
> - Remember this is a free tier of Slack to messages start deleting after
> while, so grab to good questions, discussion, ideas, bugs, move it to
> issues, mailing list, wiki, etc..
>
> I added some email domains so some of you can join today
>
> We can discuss channel creations and integration once in Slack
>
> -- Carlos
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> Continuing with Betrand's arguments, I would say is more a community than
> an infrastructure discussion. Therefore it should better go to
> general@incubator.a.o.
>
> On Dec 12, 2016 5:13 PM, "Matt Rutkowski" <mr...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I will repost my question to the "infra" email list... it seems another
> project has done this as indicated and would like to replicate...
>
> Regards,
> -Matt
>
> On 2016-12-12 08:28 (-0600), Felix Meschberger <fm...@adobe.com> wrote:
> > Techno: Yes, I’d think infra are the guys to talk to. You might want to
> start with users(a)infra(dot)apache(dot)org and be ready to fill a JIRA
> ticket
> >
> > Community: I agree with Bertrand. This mailing list is the ulitmate
> channel. So if something does not happen here, it didn’t. And while Slack
> is not really forcibly synchronous (as opposed to Jabber and IRC), free
> Slack has a limit of the number of past messages you see. But then: Would
> there be an option to forward messages (or digests) from Slack to the
> mailing list ?
> >
> > Regards
> > Felix
> >
> >
> > > Am 12.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with
> these
> > >> additional domain-based account requirements?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But I
> > > guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or
> so.
> > >
> > > BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org
> emails
> > > addresses: http://infra.chat
> > >
> > > --
> > > <http://infra.chat>
> > > <http://infra.chat>
> > > Sergio Fernández
> > > Partner Technology Manager
> > > Redlink GmbH
> > > m: +43 6602747925 <+43%20660%202747925>
> > > e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> > > w: http://redlink.co
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.
I just created a new Slack team today https://openwhisk-team.slack.com
(openwhisk domain was already taken :-( )
I think this will help users and grow the open community
I proposed the following:
- As community we join and use this Slack Team
- Allow anyone to join automatically (we would would need to setup a simple
web page (hopefully serverless)_ for folks to enter their email)
- Treat it as IRC, water cooler, integrations to help daily dev tasks,
etc.. Meaning also send people to join and use the dev list
- Be aware that Slack is not the place to have converstations that are
better to have in the dev list
- Remember this is a free tier of Slack to messages start deleting after
while, so grab to good questions, discussion, ideas, bugs, move it to
issues, mailing list, wiki, etc..
I added some email domains so some of you can join today
We can discuss channel creations and integration once in Slack
-- Carlos
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Continuing with Betrand's arguments, I would say is more a community than
> an infrastructure discussion. Therefore it should better go to
> general@incubator.a.o.
>
> On Dec 12, 2016 5:13 PM, "Matt Rutkowski" <mr...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I will repost my question to the "infra" email list... it seems another
> project has done this as indicated and would like to replicate...
>
> Regards,
> -Matt
>
> On 2016-12-12 08:28 (-0600), Felix Meschberger <fm...@adobe.com> wrote:
> > Techno: Yes, I’d think infra are the guys to talk to. You might want to
> start with users(a)infra(dot)apache(dot)org and be ready to fill a JIRA
> ticket
> >
> > Community: I agree with Bertrand. This mailing list is the ulitmate
> channel. So if something does not happen here, it didn’t. And while Slack
> is not really forcibly synchronous (as opposed to Jabber and IRC), free
> Slack has a limit of the number of past messages you see. But then: Would
> there be an option to forward messages (or digests) from Slack to the
> mailing list ?
> >
> > Regards
> > Felix
> >
> >
> > > Am 12.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with
> these
> > >> additional domain-based account requirements?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But I
> > > guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or
> so.
> > >
> > > BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org
> emails
> > > addresses: http://infra.chat
> > >
> > > --
> > > <http://infra.chat>
> > > <http://infra.chat>
> > > Sergio Fernández
> > > Partner Technology Manager
> > > Redlink GmbH
> > > m: +43 6602747925 <+43%20660%202747925>
> > > e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> > > w: http://redlink.co
> >
> >
>
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
Continuing with Betrand's arguments, I would say is more a community than
an infrastructure discussion. Therefore it should better go to
general@incubator.a.o.
On Dec 12, 2016 5:13 PM, "Matt Rutkowski" <mr...@apache.org> wrote:
I will repost my question to the "infra" email list... it seems another
project has done this as indicated and would like to replicate...
Regards,
-Matt
On 2016-12-12 08:28 (-0600), Felix Meschberger <fm...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Techno: Yes, I’d think infra are the guys to talk to. You might want to
start with users(a)infra(dot)apache(dot)org and be ready to fill a JIRA
ticket
>
> Community: I agree with Bertrand. This mailing list is the ulitmate
channel. So if something does not happen here, it didn’t. And while Slack
is not really forcibly synchronous (as opposed to Jabber and IRC), free
Slack has a limit of the number of past messages you see. But then: Would
there be an option to forward messages (or digests) from Slack to the
mailing list ?
>
> Regards
> Felix
>
>
> > Am 12.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>:
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with
these
> >> additional domain-based account requirements?
> >>
> >
> > I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But I
> > guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or
so.
> >
> > BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org emails
> > addresses: http://infra.chat
> >
> > --
> > <http://infra.chat>
> > <http://infra.chat>
> > Sergio Fernández
> > Partner Technology Manager
> > Redlink GmbH
> > m: +43 6602747925
> > e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> > w: http://redlink.co
>
>
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Matt Rutkowski <mr...@apache.org>.
I will repost my question to the "infra" email list... it seems another project has done this as indicated and would like to replicate...
Regards,
-Matt
On 2016-12-12 08:28 (-0600), Felix Meschberger <fm...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Techno: Yes, I\u2019d think infra are the guys to talk to. You might want to start with users(a)infra(dot)apache(dot)org and be ready to fill a JIRA ticket
>
> Community: I agree with Bertrand. This mailing list is the ulitmate channel. So if something does not happen here, it didn\u2019t. And while Slack is not really forcibly synchronous (as opposed to Jabber and IRC), free Slack has a limit of the number of past messages you see. But then: Would there be an option to forward messages (or digests) from Slack to the mailing list ?
>
> Regards
> Felix
>
>
> > Am 12.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>:
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with these
> >> additional domain-based account requirements?
> >>
> >
> > I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But I
> > guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or so.
> >
> > BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org emails
> > addresses: http://infra.chat
> >
> > --
> > <http://infra.chat>
> > <http://infra.chat>
> > Sergio Fernández
> > Partner Technology Manager
> > Redlink GmbH
> > m: +43 6602747925
> > e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> > w: http://redlink.co
>
>
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@adobe.com>.
Techno: Yes, I’d think infra are the guys to talk to. You might want to start with users(a)infra(dot)apache(dot)org and be ready to fill a JIRA ticket
Community: I agree with Bertrand. This mailing list is the ulitmate channel. So if something does not happen here, it didn’t. And while Slack is not really forcibly synchronous (as opposed to Jabber and IRC), free Slack has a limit of the number of past messages you see. But then: Would there be an option to forward messages (or digests) from Slack to the mailing list ?
Regards
Felix
> Am 12.12.2016 um 10:33 schrieb Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>:
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with these
>> additional domain-based account requirements?
>>
>
> I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But I
> guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or so.
>
> BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org emails
> addresses: http://infra.chat
>
> --
> <http://infra.chat>
> <http://infra.chat>
> Sergio Fernández
> Partner Technology Manager
> Redlink GmbH
> m: +43 6602747925
> e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
> w: http://redlink.co
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> How do we go about setting something up like this for OpenWhisk with these
> additional domain-based account requirements?
>
I'm not sure what are the ASF policies for such external tooling. But I
guess you'd need to talk with INFRA about archival of conversations or so.
BTW, in addition ASF already uses a HipChat bound to @apache.org emails
addresses: http://infra.chat
--
<http://infra.chat>
<http://infra.chat>
Sergio Fernández
Partner Technology Manager
Redlink GmbH
m: +43 6602747925
e: <http://infra.chat>sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
w: http://redlink.co
Re: Setting up an official Slack domain for openwhisk
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
I can't help for the technical side of this, just commenting on the
community aspects.
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Matt Rutkowski <mr...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> ... As we want to try to move over existing message-based team communication
> to the Apache community, we wish to preserve Slack as a mainstream
> utility....
Using chat channels as a utility, as you mention, is ok but the ASF's
rule that "if it didn't happen on the dev list it didn't happen" is
not optional, so IMO before supporting such channels we need to
clarify their role.
All project decisions and the important discussions that lead to those
decisions must happen on the project's dev list, to allow someone to
be fully involved in the project without necessarily subscribing to
additional channels.
I think considering those channels as the equivalent of coffee machine
discussions works: it's great to have those discussions when you can
but they are not part of the project's business. And their synchronous
nature is a barrier to the wide and thoughtful participation that you
want in an ASF project.
So I think OpenWhisk initial committers (and later PMC members) must
be willing to be careful about this and gently redirect all
"important" discussions here, for this initiative to get official
support.
-Bertrand (happy to elaborate on the reasons for this if needed, it's
not just based on being an old fart ;-)