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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Erik Daughtrey <er...@schemacity.org> on 2005/12/08 19:08:06 UTC
[Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
operator can always override and select the other.
Vote:
[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
[ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
shouldn't be.
FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
though.
--
Regards,
Erik
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@planet57.com>.
Hrm... odd. Most developers/commiters picking Jetty, and most
everyone looks like they want Tomcat.
--jason
On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
> reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason
> why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
> via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
> possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@planet57.com>.
Um, I can't tell from your response which one you are voting for...
--jason
On Dec 8, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
>> selection. The operator can always override and select the other.
>> Vote:
>> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> +1
>
>> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
>> reason, I'm making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a
>> good reason why it shouldn't be.
>> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
>> via the installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of
>> both is possible though.
>
>
> --
>
> jvz.
>
> Jason van Zyl
> jason at maven.org
> http://maven.apache.org
>
> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples.
> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without
> actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one
> is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by
> looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more
> examples
> you look at, the more general your framework will be.
>
> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving Frameworks
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
+1
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
--
jvz.
Jason van Zyl
jason at maven.org
http://maven.apache.org
People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples.
Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without
actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one
is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by
looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more examples
you look at, the more general your framework will be.
-- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving Frameworks
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <el...@gmail.com>.
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> [ X] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
As much as I love Jetty I love* Jeff, too, so how I could vote
differently ;)
[*] Don't get carried away, though, Jeff ;)
Jacek
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by James Goodwill <ja...@virtuas.com>.
+1 Tomcat
On Dec 8, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> For 1.0, I'd like to see Jetty, reflecting the initial
> participation and work that the Jetty community did when we got
> started over two years ago.
>
> geir
>
> On Dec 8, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>
>> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
>> selection. The
>> operator can always override and select the other.
>> Vote:
>> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>>
>> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>>
>> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
>> reason, I'm
>> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason
>> why it
>> shouldn't be.
>>
>> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
>> via the
>> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
>> possible
>> though.
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Erik
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
For 1.0, I'd like to see Jetty, reflecting the initial participation
and work that the Jetty community did when we got started over two
years ago.
geir
On Dec 8, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
> reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason
> why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
> via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
> possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1 for the same reason as Aaron
On 8 Dec 2005, at 19:59, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> +1 for Jetty -- we've gotten great support from the Jetty team
>
> Aaron
>
> On 12/8/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Opps, click the wrong button.
>>
>> +1 for Jetty, it would be consistent with the previous default
>> package.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Hernan
>>
>> Hernan Cunico wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>>>
>>>> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
>>>> selection. The operator can always override and select the
>>>> other. Vote:
>>>> [ X] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>>>>
>>>> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>>>>
>>>> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
>>>> reason, I'm making the default Jetty unless someone can provide
>>>> a good
>>>> reason why it shouldn't be.
>>>>
>>>> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
>>>> via
>>>> the installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
>>>> possible though.
>>>
>>>
>>
James
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Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
+1 for Jetty -- we've gotten great support from the Jetty team
Aaron
On 12/8/05, Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Opps, click the wrong button.
>
> +1 for Jetty, it would be consistent with the previous default package.
>
> Cheers!
> Hernan
>
> Hernan Cunico wrote:
> >
> >
> > Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> >
> >> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> >> selection. The operator can always override and select the other. Vote:
> >> [ X] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
> >>
> >> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
> >>
> >> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
> >> reason, I'm making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good
> >> reason why it shouldn't be.
> >>
> >> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via
> >> the installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
> >> possible though.
> >
> >
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com>.
Opps, click the wrong button.
+1 for Jetty, it would be consistent with the previous default package.
Cheers!
Hernan
Hernan Cunico wrote:
>
>
> Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>
>> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
>> selection. The operator can always override and select the other. Vote:
>> [ X] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>>
>> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>>
>> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
>> reason, I'm making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good
>> reason why it shouldn't be.
>>
>> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via
>> the installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
>> possible though.
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Hernan Cunico <hc...@gmail.com>.
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ X] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
[x] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
Jetty's been with us for two years. If it was my project, I'd be
pretty disappointed to get dumped the day before the first supported
release. Being an optional component is not exactly the thanks I
would expect.
-David
On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
> reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason
> why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
> via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
> possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Dustin Little <dl...@peavey.com>.
[ X ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 13:08 -0500, Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Phani Madgula <ph...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Apache Tomcat
/phani
On 12/9/05, Bharath Duggirala <db...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Apache Tomcat
>
> /Bharath
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Bharath Duggirala <db...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Apache Tomcat
/Bharath
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Ludovic Maitre <lu...@free.fr>.
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
>operator can always override and select the other.
>Vote:
>[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
>[ X ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
>
>
(this is a user vote -- but this will fit well with tomcat clustering)
Best regards,
--
Cordialement,
Ludo - http://www.ubik-products.com
---
"L'amour pour principe et l'ordre pour base; le progres pour but" (A.Comte)
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jan Bartel <ja...@mortbay.com>.
[ x ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
cheers all
Jan
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jules Gosnell <ju...@coredevelopers.net>.
[X] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
[ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
Jules
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Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Donald Woods <dr...@yahoo.com>.
+1 for Apache Tomcat
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ X ] Make Apache Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by toby cabot <to...@caboteria.org>.
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 02:47:34PM -0700, Jeff Genender wrote:
> Its encouraged that the community vote here too. Although not binding,
> it should be taken into account.
Thanks!
> >>[X] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
Jetty's worked out well, let's keep going.
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
This is a good point...
Its encouraged that the community vote here too. Although not binding,
it should be taken into account.
Jeff
Kevan Miller wrote:
> Been waiting for this one... ;-)
>
> +1 for Tomcat. I think the decision should be based on what our users want
> and I've heard more interest expressed for Tomcat.
>
> --kevan
>
> On 12/8/05, Erik Daughtrey <er...@schemacity.org> wrote:
>> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
>> selection. The
>> operator can always override and select the other.
>> Vote:
>> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>>
>> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>>
>> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason,
>> I'm
>> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
>> shouldn't be.
>>
>> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
>> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
>> though.
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Erik
>>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Greg Wilkins <gr...@mortbay.com>.
+1 for Jetty
Web containers are commodity - both pass the compliance test, so
users should not care which us used (other than brand awareness issues).
I think Jetty is best for geronimo because the Jetty developers are
prepared to more actively support Geronimo and we have tried to be
very responsive to the needs of this project and we plan to continue
to do so.
regards
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
Been waiting for this one... ;-)
+1 for Tomcat. I think the decision should be based on what our users want
and I've heard more interest expressed for Tomcat.
--kevan
On 12/8/05, Erik Daughtrey <er...@schemacity.org> wrote:
>
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason,
> I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Srinath Perera <he...@gmail.com>.
[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
[X] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
Thanks
Srinath
> Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>
> >The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
> >operator can always override and select the other.
> >Vote:
> >[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
> >
> >[X] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
> >
> >
> Regards,
>
> Stefan Schmidt
>
> > We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
> >making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> >shouldn't be.
> >
> >FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> >installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> >though.
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Stefan Schmidt <sc...@gmail.com>.
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
>operator can always override and select the other.
>Vote:
>[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
>[X] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
>
Regards,
Stefan Schmidt
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
>making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
>shouldn't be.
>
>FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
>installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
>though.
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@gmail.com>.
> [ x ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
Non binding, but I like Jetty. Besides, given how close to a release
it is, it seems sensible to stick with it.
- Brett
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
[ x ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
[ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
Regards,
Alan
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Simone Bordet <si...@gmail.com>.
[ x ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
Simon
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Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by John Sisson <jr...@gmail.com>.
[ X ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
( Tomcat is the container that users in my environment prefer, probably
not for technical reasons though ).
Would be nice if in the future we could provide some feature and
performance comparisons between the two to help users make an informed
choice.
John
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
>operator can always override and select the other.
>Vote:
>[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
>[ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
>making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
>shouldn't be.
>
>FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
>installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
>though.
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Manu George <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 for tomcat
On 12/9/05, Vamsavardhana Reddy <c1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Tomcat.
>
> On 12/8/05, Erik Daughtrey <er...@schemacity.org> wrote:
> >
> > The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> > selection. The
> > operator can always override and select the other.
> > Vote:
> > [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
> >
> > [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
> >
> > We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason,
> > I'm
> > making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> > shouldn't be.
> >
> > FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> >
> > installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> > though.
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Erik
> >
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Vamsavardhana Reddy <c1...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Tomcat.
On 12/8/05, Erik Daughtrey <er...@schemacity.org> wrote:
>
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason,
> I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
+1 for Jetty
-Brian
On Dec 8, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Jeff Genender wrote:
> Ok then based on this...
>
> I hope that this group takes into the account of all votes,
> including those that use the app server, our community and users.
> If we cannot be neutral, then minimally we should let the users
> decide what they want as a default container. If everyone wants
> Jetty as a default, then I am behind it. But if a majority want
> Tomcat, lets give the community what they want.
>
> A vote was put out...lets see what our users want.
>
> Jeff
>
> John Sisson wrote:
>> I have changed my mind, please ignore my previous vote.
>> My vote is now:
>> [ X ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>> My initial concerns were with users not familiar with Jetty (e.g.
>> Tomcat users) and the lack of Geronimo documentation on Jetty. I
>> chatted to Greg W on IRC and he said he will improve the
>> documentation. I have raised JIRAs GERONIMO-1314 and GERONIMO-1315.
>> Thinking about it more, those who already use Tomcat in other
>> projects are probably going to click Tomcat if they don't go to
>> the trouble of looking into Jetty.
>> I agree with Aaron that we should make it clear in the
>> documentation that it is only a default to simplify the install
>> process and either container can be used and both are supported.
>> John
>> Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>>> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
>>> selection. The operator can always override and select the
>>> other. Vote:
>>>
>>> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>>>
>>> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
>>> reason, I'm making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a
>>> good reason why it shouldn't be.
>>>
>>> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
>>> via the installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of
>>> both is possible though.
>>>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Ok then based on this...
I hope that this group takes into the account of all votes, including
those that use the app server, our community and users. If we cannot be
neutral, then minimally we should let the users decide what they want as
a default container. If everyone wants Jetty as a default, then I am
behind it. But if a majority want Tomcat, lets give the community what
they want.
A vote was put out...lets see what our users want.
Jeff
John Sisson wrote:
> I have changed my mind, please ignore my previous vote.
>
> My vote is now:
>
> [ X ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> My initial concerns were with users not familiar with Jetty (e.g. Tomcat
> users) and the lack of Geronimo documentation on Jetty. I chatted to
> Greg W on IRC and he said he will improve the documentation. I have
> raised JIRAs GERONIMO-1314 and GERONIMO-1315.
>
> Thinking about it more, those who already use Tomcat in other projects
> are probably going to click Tomcat if they don't go to the trouble of
> looking into Jetty.
>
> I agree with Aaron that we should make it clear in the documentation
> that it is only a default to simplify the install process and either
> container can be used and both are supported.
>
>
> John
>
> Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>
>> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
>> selection. The operator can always override and select the other. Vote:
>>
>> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>>
>> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
>> reason, I'm making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good
>> reason why it shouldn't be.
>>
>> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via
>> the installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
>> possible though.
>>
>>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by John Sisson <jr...@gmail.com>.
I have changed my mind, please ignore my previous vote.
My vote is now:
[ X ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
My initial concerns were with users not familiar with Jetty (e.g. Tomcat users) and the lack of Geronimo documentation on Jetty. I chatted to Greg W on IRC and he said he will improve the documentation. I have raised JIRAs GERONIMO-1314 and GERONIMO-1315.
Thinking about it more, those who already use Tomcat in other projects are probably going to click Tomcat if they don't go to the trouble of looking into Jetty.
I agree with Aaron that we should make it clear in the documentation that it is only a default to simplify the install process and either container can be used and both are supported.
John
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
>operator can always override and select the other.
>Vote:
>
>[ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
>making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
>shouldn't be.
>
>FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
>installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
>though.
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Gianny Damour <gi...@optusnet.com.au>.
+1 for Jetty
Gianny
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
>The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
>operator can always override and select the other.
>Vote:
>[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
>[ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
>making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
>shouldn't be.
>
>FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
>installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
>though.
>
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Paul McMahan <pa...@gmail.com>.
Looking at the original proposal for geronimo makes me lean towards Tomcat.
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo-proposal.html
But from a more practical standpoint it's clear that Jetty has a long
history of active involvement in the project.
[ X ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
Best wishes,
Paul
On 12/8/05, Erik Daughtrey < erikd@schemacity.org> wrote:
>
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason,
> I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
As much as I Looovvve Jetty...I have to vote for the work I did ;-)
[ x ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
> though.
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com>.
On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [X] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
Regards,
Hiram
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
> reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason
> why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers
> via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
> possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com>.
+1 for jetty
david jencks
On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Erik Daughtrey wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default
> selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that
> reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why
> it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via
> the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is
> possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
>
Re: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by anita kulshreshtha <a_...@yahoo.com>.
+1 for Tomcat, I hope Tomcat team will be more helpful
in the future!
Thanks
Anita
--- Erik Daughtrey <er...@schemacity.org> wrote:
> The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty
> the default selection. The
> operator can always override and select the other.
> Vote:
> [ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install
> selection
>
> [ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install
> selection
>
> We may run out of time before the votes can be
> tallied. For that reason, I'm
> making the default Jetty unless someone can provide
> a good reason why it
> shouldn't be.
>
> FYI - it's been decided that installation of both
> web containers via the
> installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration
> of both is possible
> though.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
>
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RE: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
Posted by Christopher Chan <cc...@spikesource.com>.
>From a user's point of view, as long as I have a choice, I'm happy - but if
my vote does count for anything, here is my vote.
[X] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
- Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Daughtrey [mailto:erikd@schemacity.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:08 AM
To: dev@geronimo.apache.org
Subject: [Vote] Installer: Default Web Container Selection
The installer should make either Tomcat or Jetty the default selection.
The
operator can always override and select the other.
Vote:
[ ] Make Jetty the default Web Container install selection
[ ] Make Tomcat the default web container install selection
We may run out of time before the votes can be tallied. For that reason,
I'm
making the default Jetty unless someone can provide a good reason why it
shouldn't be.
FYI - it's been decided that installation of both web containers via the
installer will not be allowed. Manual configuration of both is possible
though.
--
Regards,
Erik