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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Dave Newton <ne...@pingsite.com> on 2005/05/04 21:48:20 UTC
[OT] Re: ANOTHER IDE
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> Macros are an absolute must for me, and it's art of the reason I still
> use nothing but UltraEdit... all the fancy code refactoring tools and
> such that all the IDEs have I wind up doing in macros, and I have more
> control over how they work, at least, it sure feels like I do.
Well, you certainly have more control, but I don't think I'd want to
write a macro that extracted code chunks into methods with
automagically-correct parameter signatures, return types, etc. or
pulling methods up or down, changing method signatures and propagating
it through my code, etc.
Having context-sensitive code completion/auto-complete is nice too,
especially for verbose languages like Java etc.
Dave
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RE: [OT: Swing slow?] Re: ANOTHER IDE
Posted by Folashade Adeyosoye <sh...@gmail.com>.
JBuilder 2005 has been good to me, a little slower that JBuilder 9, with JB
2005 thay have incorporated the eclipse feel
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From: Dave Newton [mailto:newton@pingsite.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT: Swing slow?] Re: ANOTHER IDE
Rick Reumann wrote:
> Eclipse was ok as far as IDE features and price tag, but it just
> didn't 'feel' right to me. Using IDEA just feels right it, plus of
> course it does everything and more you'd expect from an IDE. By the
> way, who says Swing is slow? I don't think they use SWT for IDEA and
> yet it sure is a responsive app. Eclipse actually seemed much more
> sluggish to me on both windows and Linux.
A lot of Swing problems are due to Really Poor Swing coding--properly
coded, Swing is fine.
My experience was similar; IDEA seemed quicker than Eclipse; no doubt
one of those "get what you pay for" type things, although IDEA has been
around longer, so I'm not terribly surprised, despite Eclipse's use of SWT.
It also seems like the new soon-to-be-released version of IDEA will
allow even easier plugin development, probably (at least partially) a
reaction to the Eclipse plugin model. Might have to switch myself,
especially if I can convince (I have to fight for everything, despite
metrics etc. that prove I'm right) the powers to invest in some freakin'
developer tools... *sigh*
Dave
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Re: [OT: Swing slow?] Re: ANOTHER IDE
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@pingsite.com>.
Rick Reumann wrote:
> Eclipse was ok as far as IDE features and price tag, but it just
> didn't 'feel' right to me. Using IDEA just feels right it, plus of
> course it does everything and more you'd expect from an IDE. By the
> way, who says Swing is slow? I don't think they use SWT for IDEA and
> yet it sure is a responsive app. Eclipse actually seemed much more
> sluggish to me on both windows and Linux.
A lot of Swing problems are due to Really Poor Swing coding--properly
coded, Swing is fine.
My experience was similar; IDEA seemed quicker than Eclipse; no doubt
one of those "get what you pay for" type things, although IDEA has been
around longer, so I'm not terribly surprised, despite Eclipse's use of SWT.
It also seems like the new soon-to-be-released version of IDEA will
allow even easier plugin development, probably (at least partially) a
reaction to the Eclipse plugin model. Might have to switch myself,
especially if I can convince (I have to fight for everything, despite
metrics etc. that prove I'm right) the powers to invest in some freakin'
developer tools... *sigh*
Dave
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Re: [OT] Re: ANOTHER IDE
Posted by Rick Reumann <st...@reumann.net>.
Frank W. Zammetti wrote the following on 5/4/2005 4:00 PM:
> they always seem to get in the way for me more than
> they help in the long run.
This is how I always felt as well until I used IDEA. It's the one IDE
that I've used where I didn't feel like I was using an IDE. Eclipse was
ok as far as IDE features and price tag, but it just didn't 'feel' right
to me. Using IDEA just feels right it, plus of course it does everything
and more you'd expect from an IDE. By the way, who says Swing is slow? I
don't think they use SWT for IDEA and yet it sure is a responsive app.
Eclipse actually seemed much more sluggish to me on both windows and Linux.
--
Rick
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Re: [OT] Re: ANOTHER IDE
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
Agreed... I've played with virtually every IDE out there, any it's
always felt like while they have a couple of nicities (and sometimes a
VERY nice nicity!) they always seem to get in the way for me more than
they help in the long run. The only exception is a debugger, which
genuinely is helpful sometimes, although even that I manage just fine
without (but I have no doubt it is useful).
What I always tell my guys at work is that they can use whatever tools
they want, so long as (a) it allows them to work most efficiently and
(b) they can share work (i.e., no tools that force you into some
proprietary project structure). As long as you can run an ANT script to
build the project, I don't really care what IDE or other tools you use
to get there. I'm a minimalist, it works best for me, but it doesn't
for everyone (in fact, I'm in the minority and I know it!)
Frank
Dave Newton wrote:
> Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
>
>> Macros are an absolute must for me, and it's art of the reason I still
>> use nothing but UltraEdit... all the fancy code refactoring tools and
>> such that all the IDEs have I wind up doing in macros, and I have more
>> control over how they work, at least, it sure feels like I do.
>
>
> Well, you certainly have more control, but I don't think I'd want to
> write a macro that extracted code chunks into methods with
> automagically-correct parameter signatures, return types, etc. or
> pulling methods up or down, changing method signatures and propagating
> it through my code, etc.
>
> Having context-sensitive code completion/auto-complete is nice too,
> especially for verbose languages like Java etc.
>
> Dave
>
>
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Frank W. Zammetti
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Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
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