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Posted to community@apache.org by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> on 2002/10/30 18:19:03 UTC
[VOTE] Openness
Please, allow me to restart the voting in order to make it easier to
reach some consensus since it's hard to interpret the results of the
previous one.
- o -
There are two different concerns for openness:
- open to read
- open to write
Let's try to keep them separate.
NOTE: there is no need to indicate the reasons for your votes, either
for negative ones.
Also, please, don't vote 0.5 or other numbers, let's keep it simple for
the final count.
- o -
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
this mail list thru a web archive?
[ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
- o -
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
- o -
Please, place your vote even if you already voted in the previous poll.
We'll reset the clock and give 78 hours for the vote.
I volunteer to count the retults and post them here.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the double poll noise.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Thom May <th...@apache.org>.
* Stefano Mazzocchi (stefano@apache.org) wrote :
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [X] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
-Thom
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Henri Gomez <hg...@apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
I don't think it will be good to have ALL ASF projects users write on
such a common list, or we may see it like :
cat ***-user@*.apache.org >> community@apache.org ;)
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Ceki Gülcü <ce...@qos.ch>.
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
read this mail list thru a web archive?
[X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
fully subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
At 15:43 30.10.2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Roy,
>I had the same thought and was about to vote the way you did. Then I
>reconsidered because I believe (perhaps incorrectly) that we will NOT get
>a lot
>of subscribers that are not community members. The few non-community folks we
>get will hopefully be net contributors to the discussions. We can always
>clamp
>down if it becomes necessary. Wishful thinking perhaps but there you go.
Nice but optimistic. If things go sour, you won't be able to change the
rules in mid-air. You are likely to lack the wherewithal, the will or
both. Moreover, you can't count on *everyone* to be decent and civilized
although the vast majority will be.
>Bill
--
Ceki
TCP implementations will follow a general principle of robustness: be
conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from
others. -- Jon Postel, RFC 793
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@sunstarsys.com>.
Marc Slemko <ma...@znep.com> writes:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> read this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [X] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
> and invitees (contributors).
>
> While every list is its own community, this "community" is supposed to
> be a subset of a bigger community, and I think having it restricted to
> people involved in the community helps accomplish that. If
> "committers" is too narrow a set, then it can be opened up to
> something wider but still less than "anyone". Restricting it after
> the fact seems like an ugly game.
>
> The point is you can't join the community by joining "community", you
> have to be part of the community to join "community".
My sentiments exactly.
+1
--
Joe Schaefer
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@znep.com>.
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
read this mail list thru a web archive?
[ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[X] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
fully subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
and invitees (contributors).
While every list is its own community, this "community" is supposed to be
a subset of a bigger community, and I think having it restricted to people
involved in the community helps accomplish that. If "committers" is too
narrow a set, then it can be opened up to something wider but still less
than "anyone". Restricting it after the fact seems like an ugly game.
The point is you can't join the community by joining "community", you have
to be part of the community to join "community".
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Bill Stoddard <bi...@wstoddard.com>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> read this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
> and invitees (contributors).
>
> Though I hesitate to say so, I need to make this perfectly clear.
> I will unsubscribe from this list if non-contributors join. I am
> not going to take time away from my life for people who haven't
> earned the right to be in this community.
>
> ....Roy
Roy,
I had the same thought and was about to vote the way you did. Then I
reconsidered because I believe (perhaps incorrectly) that we will NOT get a lot
of subscribers that are not community members. The few non-community folks we
get will hopefully be net contributors to the discussions. We can always clamp
down if it becomes necessary. Wishful thinking perhaps but there you go.
Bill
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by James Cox <ja...@imajes.info>.
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> read this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
> and invitees (contributors).
>
> Though I hesitate to say so, I need to make this perfectly clear.
> I will unsubscribe from this list if non-contributors join. I am
> not going to take time away from my life for people who haven't
> earned the right to be in this community.
>
Roy said it better than I could. can i revert my vote and go with him?
-- james :)
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@apache.org>.
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
read this mail list thru a web archive?
[X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
fully subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
and invitees (contributors).
Though I hesitate to say so, I need to make this perfectly clear.
I will unsubscribe from this list if non-contributors join. I am
not going to take time away from my life for people who haven't
earned the right to be in this community.
....Roy
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by James Cox <im...@php.net>.
>
> --On Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:19 PM +0100 Stefano Mazzocchi
> <st...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> > read this mail list thru a web archive?
> >
> > [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
> >
> > VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> > fully subscribe to this mail list?
> >
> > [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
+1
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <je...@apache.org>.
--On Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:19 PM +0100 Stefano Mazzocchi
<st...@apache.org> wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> read this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by "Paul J. Reder" <re...@remulak.net>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
--
Paul J. Reder
-----------------------------------------------------------
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citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do
his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure."
-- Albert Einstein
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:19, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [+1] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [+1] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Elena Litani <el...@apache.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
--
Elena Litani
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by jean-frederic clere <jf...@fujitsu-siemens.com>.
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read this mail
list thru a web archive?
[ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it private
But I think it should be archived somewhere.
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Cheers
Jean-frederic
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] 0 don't know/don't care
- Sam Ruby
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Ovidiu Predescu <ov...@apache.org>.
I agree with Stefan here. I think we need the transparency, but we want
to avoid the noise of too many people exposing their ideas. There are
better forums for them to express this. We need to keep this list
focused on what matters to us.
On Thursday, Oct 31, 2002, at 02:51 US/Pacific, Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Regards,
--
Ovidiu Predescu <ov...@apache.org>
http://webweavertech.com/ovidiu/weblog/
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
this mail list thru a web archive?
[X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
fully subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Stefan
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:19:03PM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
[X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
[X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:19:03PM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>...
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
>...
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
--
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
... and invited people
Sylvain
--
Sylvain Wallez
Anyware Technologies Apache Cocoon
http://www.anyware-tech.com mailto:sylvain@apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by André Malo <nd...@apache.org>.
* Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [x] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [x] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
+ invited...
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Costin Manolache <co...@apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Costin
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Astrid Kessler <ke...@apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [x] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
and invited people
Kess
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
+1 to both.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Please, allow me to restart the voting in order to make it easier to
> reach some consensus since it's hard to interpret the results of the
> previous one.
>
> - o -
>
> There are two different concerns for openness:
>
> - open to read
>
> - open to write
>
> Let's try to keep them separate.
>
> NOTE: there is no need to indicate the reasons for your votes, either
> for negative ones.
>
> Also, please, don't vote 0.5 or other numbers, let's keep it simple
> for the final count.
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
> - o -
>
> Please, place your vote even if you already voted in the previous poll.
>
> We'll reset the clock and give 78 hours for the vote.
>
> I volunteer to count the retults and post them here.
>
> Thanks in advance and sorry for the double poll noise.
>
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
- Leo
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
Hey all,
--- Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Torsten Curdt wrote:
[snip]
> >>>VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for
> non-committers to
> >>>fully subscribe to this mail list?
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> >>> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> >>> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
> >>>
> >>>
> >...OR THOSE INVITED
> >
>
> Ditto.
>
Actually, specifying invitees as a qualification to
the -1 may not be necessary, if each invitee will need
to be voted in individually anyway. Only if invitees
may be added without a vote do we need to resolve the
matter, and that's probably worthy of a specific
second vote if -1 proves the majority opinion.
Just pointing out that you probably needn't worry
about this detail. IMO we should wait for the -1
result, and then determine the terms by which we will
add invitees.
- Morgan
=====
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@verizon.net>.
Torsten Curdt wrote:
>>> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
>>> [X] 0 don't know/don't care
>>> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
>>>fully subscribe to this mail list?
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
>>> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
>>> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>>>
>>>
>...OR THOSE INVITED
>
Ditto.
Vadim
>--
>Torsten
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@dff.st>.
> > [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> > [X] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
> > VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> > fully subscribe to this mail list?
> >
> > [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
...OR THOSE INVITED
--
Torsten
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
--
Stephen J. McConnell
OSM SARL
digital products for a global economy
mailto:mcconnell@osm.net
http://www.osm.net
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by James Taylor <jt...@4lane.com>.
> > VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> > this mail list thru a web archive?
> >
> >
> > [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
> >
> >
> > - o -
> >
> >
> > VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> > fully subscribe to this mail list?
> >
> >
> > [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers
Also:
On Wed, 2002-10-30 at 12:26, Daniel Rall wrote:
> __OR THOSE INVITED__
That is also my preference, but to avoid confusion my vote on 2 can be
counted as a -1
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> writes:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [X] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers __OR THOSE INVITED__
--
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Marcus Crafter <cr...@fztig938.bank.dresdner.net>.
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:19:03PM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> Thanks in advance and sorry for the double poll noise.
No problem.
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hmmm. I looked at the datestamp of the original vote message and it
> > looked like I was under the 78 hour window for voting. But you are
> > correct, it doesn't matter since I am just affirming the result.
> >
> >
> I thought it was 72 hrs ? ;-)
Yeah, right, my mistake. 3 days = 72 hours not 78 :) I can't even count
anymore.
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
>
>
>Hmmm. I looked at the datestamp of the original vote message and it
>looked like I was under the 78 hour window for voting. But you are
>correct, it doesn't matter since I am just affirming the result.
>
>
I thought it was 72 hrs ? ;-)
>Glenn
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@icarus.apache.org>.
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 04:29:16PM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Glenn Nielsen wrote:
>
> > >VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> > >this mail list thru a web archive?
> > >
> > > [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> > > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > > [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
> > >
> > >
> > > - o -
> > >
> > >
> > >VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> > >subscribe to this mail list?
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> > > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > > [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
> > >
>
> Sorry Glenn, the vote was closed. But since the result was exactly what
> you wanted I don't think this upsets you :)
>
Hmmm. I looked at the datestamp of the original vote message and it
looked like I was under the 78 hour window for voting. But you are
correct, it doesn't matter since I am just affirming the result.
Glenn
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Glenn Nielsen wrote:
> >VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> >this mail list thru a web archive?
> >
> > [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
> >
> >
> > - o -
> >
> >
> >VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> >subscribe to this mail list?
> >
> > [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
> >
Sorry Glenn, the vote was closed. But since the result was exactly what
you wanted I don't think this upsets you :)
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@icarus.apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@wow.lk>.
+1 for open read and write.
Sanjiva.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <st...@apache.org>
To: <co...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:19 PM
Subject: [VOTE] Openness
> Please, allow me to restart the voting in order to make it easier to
> reach some consensus since it's hard to interpret the results of the
> previous one.
>
> - o -
>
> There are two different concerns for openness:
>
> - open to read
>
> - open to write
>
> Let's try to keep them separate.
>
> NOTE: there is no need to indicate the reasons for your votes, either
> for negative ones.
>
> Also, please, don't vote 0.5 or other numbers, let's keep it simple for
> the final count.
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
> - o -
>
> Please, place your vote even if you already voted in the previous poll.
>
> We'll reset the clock and give 78 hours for the vote.
>
> I volunteer to count the retults and post them here.
>
> Thanks in advance and sorry for the double poll noise.
>
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
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>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by David Shane Holden <dp...@apache.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [x] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
this mail list thru a web archive?
[ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it private
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ X ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ X ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
> - o -
>
> Please, place your vote even if you already voted in the previous poll.
>
> We'll reset the clock and give 78 hours for the vote.
>
> I volunteer to count the retults and post them here.
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Kurt Schrader <ks...@karmalab.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [x] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
-Kurt
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
> - o -
>
Craig McClanahan
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
>
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Diana Shannon <sh...@apache.org>.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 12:19 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Diana
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
--- James Cox <ja...@imajes.info> wrote:
> Why are you changing the vote here?
>
> I would like to vote but you have changed the
> direction of this vote, in a
> way that's really wierd.
>
> Currently, as i understand it, the last vote favored
> opening the list to
> invited experts, with a public archive. How would I
> vote that here?
>
> -- james
I think you want to vote +1 on the first issue and -1
on the second issue, with a subsequent vote later (if
it's even necessary) to extend access to invited
guests.
The last vote was essentially a free-for-all write-in
with no clear result IMO. You interpreted the last
vote as allowing a public archive, but one could
easily assert that the option 3, no public archive,
won because it received the most votes. The contrary
interpretation is that the public archive opinion won
because options 1 and 2 both allow an archive and
received more combined votes than option 3. It was an
unclear format.
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RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by James Cox <ja...@imajes.info>.
Why are you changing the vote here?
I would like to vote but you have changed the direction of this vote, in a
way that's really wierd.
Currently, as i understand it, the last vote favored opening the list to
invited experts, with a public archive. How would I vote that here?
-- james
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
this mail list thru a web archive?
[ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it private
- o -
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
After all, that was the charter of the list to begin with. If you want
something different, try Yahoo Groups.
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by "David N. Welton" <da...@dedasys.com>.
"Danny Angus" <da...@apache.org> writes:
> > > VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> > > this mail list thru a web archive?
> > >
> > > [X ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> > > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > > [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
> > >
> > >
> > > - o -
> > >
> > >
> > > VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> > > subscribe to this mail list?
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> > > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > > [X ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
> Hmm.. re-submit someone else's ballot paper, thats the cut'n'paste
> generation for you. :)
Yeah - what they wrote.
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RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
I agree:
> > VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> > this mail list thru a web archive?
> >
> > [X ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
> >
> >
> > - o -
> >
> >
> > VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> > subscribe to this mail list?
> >
> > [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> > [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> > [X ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Hmm.. re-submit someone else's ballot paper, thats the cut'n'paste generation for you. :)
d.
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Chuck Murcko <ch...@topsail.org>.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 10:19 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Sander Temme <sa...@temme.net>.
> Please, allow me to restart the voting in order to make it easier to
> reach some consensus since it's hard to interpret the results of the
> previous one.
VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
this mail list thru a web archive?
[x] +1 yes, let's make it readable
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
subscribe to this mail list?
[ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
[ ] 0 don't know/don't care
[x] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
S.
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org>.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 05:19 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
<snip>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
reason: if we need a private list, let's create one.
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
reason:
i'd like others to be able to post but i'd like their posts to be
moderated.
(this should avoid any need for committers to have to police the list by
flaming those who break the rules.)
- robert
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Sander
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
10/30/2002 12:19:03 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
wrote:
>VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
>read this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [x] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
>fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [x] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Peter Royal <pr...@apache.org>.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 12:19 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
> - o -
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to
> fully subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
-pete
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Giacomo Pati <gi...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
plus invited ones.
Giacomo
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Morgan Delagrange wrote:
>--- Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Please, allow me to restart the voting in order to
>>make it easier to
>>reach some consensus since it's hard to interpret
>>the results of the
>>previous one.
>>
>>
>
>+1. The last vote had way too many permutations.
>
>
>
+1 yes it did... one day I will learn to get to the guts of the matter
in just this way ;-)
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
--- Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> wrote:
> Please, allow me to restart the voting in order to
> make it easier to
> reach some consensus since it's hard to interpret
> the results of the
> previous one.
+1. The last vote had way too many permutations.
[snip]
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for
> non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for
> non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
>
> - o -
>
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Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Conor MacNeill <co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>.
>VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
>this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
>VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
>subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [X] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by John Keyes <jk...@icarus.apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
-John K
Re: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Bert Van Kets <be...@apache.org>.
>VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
>this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
>subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
Bert
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Bill Stoddard <bi...@wstoddard.com>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [X] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
RE: [VOTE] Openness
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <mv...@apache.org>.
> VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read
> this mail list thru a web archive?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's make it readable
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it private
>
>
> - o -
>
>
> VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully
> subscribe to this mail list?
>
> [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone
> [ ] 0 don't know/don't care
> [X] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only
>
Mvgr,
Martin