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Posted to users@felix.apache.org by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> on 2015/07/16 17:34:20 UTC

Is this mailing-list dead?

 I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 David, thank you for participating in discussion.

The specs implementation for CDI is weld which is used also by glassfish. In order to make CDI to work with OSGI special libs were developed - pax, fighterfish and others.
So it is one of their main purposes to support injecting OSGI services. Why I use CDI and OSGI, because all the business logic I put in osgi service and in clients (web, or javafx) I use CDI.


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:02 -04:00 от David Jencks <da...@gmail.com>:
>
>I looked at the stack overflow thread.  I don’t understand what you are trying to do.
>
>CDI by itself (e.g. weld or openwebbeans) doesn’t have anything at all to do with OSGI and there’s no way to use them together as is.
>
>I don’t know much about pax-cdi but it may provide some integration.  I don’t know if there are any other attempts to integrate.  If you want to use such a solution you should ask it’s developers about it, not here where no one knows about them.
>
>The basic requirement you appear to have of “separate instance for each using instance” should be satisfied by R6 prototype scope.  The DS 1.3 RI, felix DS, should support this OK but it’s not released, the CT is not done, and this feature is pretty much untested.  I don’t have any idea how this capability might be accessed from a CDI bean, I’d imagine this would have to do with a hypothetical CDI-OSGI-R6 integration.
>
>DS component factories as specced are almost useless IMO and are certainly not the solution you want to try here.
>
>Why do you need to use CDI?  If you are writing an OSGI based application I would look into simply using DS for all components.
>
>thanks
>david jencks
>
>>On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
>>mailing list and at stackoverflow   http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>
>>You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
>>me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>
>>
>>>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett < njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>>On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--  
>>>>Alex Sviridov
>>>
>>
>>
>>--  
>>Alex Sviridov


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by David Jencks <da...@gmail.com>.
I looked at the stack overflow thread.  I don’t understand what you are trying to do.

CDI by itself (e.g. weld or openwebbeans) doesn’t have anything at all to do with OSGI and there’s no way to use them together as is.

I don’t know much about pax-cdi but it may provide some integration.  I don’t know if there are any other attempts to integrate.  If you want to use such a solution you should ask it’s developers about it, not here where no one knows about them.

The basic requirement you appear to have of “separate instance for each using instance” should be satisfied by R6 prototype scope.  The DS 1.3 RI, felix DS, should support this OK but it’s not released, the CT is not done, and this feature is pretty much untested.  I don’t have any idea how this capability might be accessed from a CDI bean, I’d imagine this would have to do with a hypothetical CDI-OSGI-R6 integration.

DS component factories as specced are almost useless IMO and are certainly not the solution you want to try here.

Why do you need to use CDI?  If you are writing an OSGI based application I would look into simply using DS for all components.

thanks
david jencks

> On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
> mailing list and at stackoverflow  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues>
> 
> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
> 
> 
>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Alex Sviridov
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alex Sviridov

Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Nick, thank you for your time. The problem is that the bundle with DS I want to use both in pax and fighterfish. That's why the bundle with DS uses pure osgi
to be able to work on both platforms. The solution only for pax is known -  http://stackoverflow.com/a/31448292/5057736


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 15:52 UTC от Nick Baker <nb...@pentaho.com>:
>
>Perhaps the PAX-CDI guys on the ops4j list could help.
>
>‎ https://ops4j1.jira.com/wiki/display/ops4j/Mailing+Lists
>
>Sent from my BlackBerry. I'm AFK at the moment.
>  Original Message
>From: Neil Bartlett
>Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:46 AM
>To: Alex Sviridov
>Reply To:  users@felix.apache.org
>Cc:  users@felix.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Is this mailing-list dead?
>
>
>Alex,
>
>This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.
>
>In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different solution.
>
>Regards,
>Neil
>
>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>
>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
>> mailing list and at stackoverflow  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues < http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues >
>>
>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>
>>
>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett < njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>
>> No.
>>
>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <x-msg: //6/compose?To=ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> >
>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Alex Sviridov
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Sviridov
>


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re[12]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Are you sure that the code you provided right? There is no "scope" in org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component?


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:19 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>
>that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll
>have to check where the scr project is getting it from.
>
>- Ray
>
>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
>>
>>
>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> >
>> >@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>> >    immediate = false,
>> >    name = "default",
>> >    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>> >)
>> >public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>> >> stable it is.
>> >> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>> >> example:
>> >>
>> >> @Component (immediate = false)
>> >> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>> >> @Service
>> >> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>> >>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> >> >
>> >> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
>> prototype
>> >> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>> >> >
>> >> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>> from
>> >> >source.
>> >> >
>> >> >- Ray
>> >> >
>> >> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>> >> how
>> >> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>> >> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>> >> instances
>> >> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
>> CDI
>> >> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>> >> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
>> has a
>> >> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Regards
>> >> >> >Neil
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
>> pax
>> >> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>> >> >> "registry".
>> >> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>> every
>> >> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> >> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>> >> >> right place. I think so...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Alex,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
>> is a
>> >> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>> >> see.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>> >> narrow
>> >> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>> >> question, or
>> >> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
>> tools. If
>> >> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>> >> might
>> >> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
>> different
>> >> >> solution.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Neil
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> >> <x-msg:
>> >> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>> >> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
>> at
>> >> this
>> >> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> >> <
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>> >> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>> >> >> question is very important for
>> >> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>> >> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> No.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> >> <>>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > --
>> >> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> >> > (@rotty3000)
>> >> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> >> > (@Liferay)
>> >> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> >> (@OSGiAlliance)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > (@rotty3000)
>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> > (@Liferay)
>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Sviridov
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> (@rotty3000)
>Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> (@Liferay)
>Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re[12]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
The problem is that SCR uses some Scope.prototype from impl package.

>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:19 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>
>that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll have to check where the scr project is getting it from.
>
>- Ray
>
>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
>>
>>
>>>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge < raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>
>>>@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>>>    immediate = false,
>>>    name = "default",
>>>    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>>>)
>>>public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>>>> stable it is.
>>>> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>>>> example:
>>>>
>>>> @Component (immediate = false)
>>>> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>>>> @Service
>>>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>>>   raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>> >
>>>> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
>>>> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>>>> >
>>>> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build from
>>>> >source.
>>>> >
>>>> >- Ray
>>>> >
>>>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>>>> how
>>>> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>>>> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>>>> instances
>>>> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
>>>> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>>>> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a
>>>> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Regards
>>>> >> >Neil
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax
>>>> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>>>> >> "registry".
>>>> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every
>>>> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>>>> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>>>> >> right place. I think so...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Alex,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a
>>>> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>>>> see.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>>>> narrow
>>>> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>>>> question, or
>>>> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If
>>>> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>>>> might
>>>> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different
>>>> >> solution.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Regards,
>>>> >> >> Neil
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>> <x-msg:
>>>> >>  // e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>>>> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at
>>>> this
>>>> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>>>> >>
>>>>   http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>> >> <
>>>> >>
>>>>   http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>>>> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>>>> >> question is very important for
>>>> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>>>> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> No.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>> <>>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > --
>>>> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> --
>>>> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Alex Sviridov
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>> > (@rotty3000)
>>>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>>>> > (@Liferay)
>>>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>> (@rotty3000)
>>>Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>> (@Liferay)
>>>Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>>
>>--
>>Alex Sviridov
>
>
>
>-- 
>Raymond Augé  (@rotty3000)
>Senior Software Architect  Liferay, Inc.  (@Liferay) Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance (@OSGiAlliance)

-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Re[10]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>.
that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll
have to check where the scr project is getting it from.

- Ray

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:

>  Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
>
>
> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
> raymond.auge@liferay.com>:
> >
> >@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
> >    immediate = false,
> >    name = "default",
> >    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
> >)
> >public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
> >> stable it is.
> >> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
> >> example:
> >>
> >> @Component (immediate = false)
> >> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
> >> @Service
> >> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
> >>
> >>
> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
> >>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
> >> >
> >> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
> prototype
> >> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
> >> >
> >> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
> from
> >> >source.
> >> >
> >> >- Ray
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
> >> how
> >> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
> >> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
> >> instances
> >> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
> CDI
> >> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
> >> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
> has a
> >> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Regards
> >> >> >Neil
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
> pax
> >> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
> >> >> "registry".
> >> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
> every
> >> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
> >> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
> >> >> right place. I think so...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Alex,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
> is a
> >> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
> >> see.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
> >> narrow
> >> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
> >> question, or
> >> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
> tools. If
> >> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
> >> might
> >> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
> different
> >> >> solution.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> Neil
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> >> <x-msg:
> >> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
> >> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
> at
> >> this
> >> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
> >> >>
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> >> >> <
> >> >>
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
> >> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
> >> >> question is very important for
> >> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
> >> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> No.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> >> <>>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > --
> >> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Alex Sviridov
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alex Sviridov
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> >> > (@rotty3000)
> >> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
> >> > (@Liferay)
> >> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
> >> (@OSGiAlliance)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Sviridov
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> > (@rotty3000)
> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> > (@Liferay)
> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
> (@OSGiAlliance)
>
>
> --
> Alex Sviridov
>



-- 
*Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
 (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
 (@Liferay)
Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)

Re[10]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>
>@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>    immediate = false,
>    name = "default",
>    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>)
>public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>
>
>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>> stable it is.
>> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>> example:
>>
>> @Component (immediate = false)
>> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>> @Service
>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>
>>
>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> >
>> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
>> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>> >
>> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build from
>> >source.
>> >
>> >- Ray
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>> how
>> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>> >> >
>> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>> instances
>> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
>> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a
>> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards
>> >> >Neil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax
>> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>> >> "registry".
>> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every
>> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>> >> right place. I think so...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alex,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a
>> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>> see.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>> narrow
>> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>> question, or
>> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If
>> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>> might
>> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different
>> >> solution.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Neil
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> <x-msg:
>> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at
>> this
>> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> <
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>> >> question is very important for
>> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> No.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> <>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > --
>> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > (@rotty3000)
>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> > (@Liferay)
>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Sviridov
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> (@rotty3000)
>Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> (@Liferay)
>Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re[8]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Ok! I got it! I thank everybody for help. I will build scr felix bundle and test it with prototype service scope and pax cdi. I will tell later about the results.


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:32 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>
>You need to build felix "scr", a separate felix module.
>
>Sincerely,
>- Ray
>
>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Thank you very very much!
>> Could you answer one more question - does felix include DS and I must
>> build the last felix version (something like
>> org.apache.felix.framework-x.x.x.jar)
>> or DS is s separate bundle?
>>
>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> >
>> >@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>> >    immediate = false,
>> >    name = "default",
>> >    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>> >)
>> >public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>> >> stable it is.
>> >> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>> >> example:
>> >>
>> >> @Component (immediate = false)
>> >> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>> >> @Service
>> >> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>> >>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> >> >
>> >> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
>> prototype
>> >> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>> >> >
>> >> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>> from
>> >> >source.
>> >> >
>> >> >- Ray
>> >> >
>> >> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>> >> how
>> >> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>> >> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>> >> instances
>> >> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
>> CDI
>> >> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>> >> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
>> has a
>> >> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Regards
>> >> >> >Neil
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
>> pax
>> >> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>> >> >> "registry".
>> >> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>> every
>> >> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> >> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>> >> >> right place. I think so...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Alex,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
>> is a
>> >> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>> >> see.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>> >> narrow
>> >> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>> >> question, or
>> >> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
>> tools. If
>> >> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>> >> might
>> >> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
>> different
>> >> >> solution.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Neil
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> >> <x-msg:
>> >> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>> >> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
>> at
>> >> this
>> >> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> >> <
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>> >> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>> >> >> question is very important for
>> >> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>> >> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> No.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> >> <>>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > --
>> >> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> >> > (@rotty3000)
>> >> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> >> > (@Liferay)
>> >> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> >> (@OSGiAlliance)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > (@rotty3000)
>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> > (@Liferay)
>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Sviridov
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> (@rotty3000)
>Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> (@Liferay)
>Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Re[6]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>.
You need to build felix "scr", a separate felix module.

Sincerely,
- Ray

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:

>  Thank you very very much!
> Could you answer one more question - does felix include DS and I must
> build the last felix version (something like
> org.apache.felix.framework-x.x.x.jar)
> or DS is s separate bundle?
>
> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
> raymond.auge@liferay.com>:
> >
> >@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
> >    immediate = false,
> >    name = "default",
> >    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
> >)
> >public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
> >> stable it is.
> >> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
> >> example:
> >>
> >> @Component (immediate = false)
> >> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
> >> @Service
> >> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
> >>
> >>
> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
> >>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
> >> >
> >> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
> prototype
> >> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
> >> >
> >> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
> from
> >> >source.
> >> >
> >> >- Ray
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
> >> how
> >> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
> >> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
> >> instances
> >> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
> CDI
> >> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
> >> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
> has a
> >> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Regards
> >> >> >Neil
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
> pax
> >> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
> >> >> "registry".
> >> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
> every
> >> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
> >> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
> >> >> right place. I think so...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Alex,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
> is a
> >> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
> >> see.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
> >> narrow
> >> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
> >> question, or
> >> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
> tools. If
> >> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
> >> might
> >> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
> different
> >> >> solution.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> Neil
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> >> <x-msg:
> >> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
> >> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
> at
> >> this
> >> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
> >> >>
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> >> >> <
> >> >>
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
> >> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
> >> >> question is very important for
> >> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
> >> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> No.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> >> <>>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > --
> >> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Alex Sviridov
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alex Sviridov
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> >> > (@rotty3000)
> >> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
> >> > (@Liferay)
> >> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
> >> (@OSGiAlliance)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Sviridov
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> > (@rotty3000)
> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> > (@Liferay)
> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
> (@OSGiAlliance)
>
>
> --
> Alex Sviridov
>



-- 
*Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
 (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
 (@Liferay)
Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)

Re[6]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Thank you very very much! 
Could you answer one more question - does felix include DS and I must build the last felix version (something like org.apache.felix.framework-x.x.x.jar)
or DS is s separate bundle?

>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>
>@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>    immediate = false,
>    name = "default",
>    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>)
>public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>
>
>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>> stable it is.
>> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>> example:
>>
>> @Component (immediate = false)
>> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>> @Service
>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>
>>
>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> >
>> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
>> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>> >
>> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build from
>> >source.
>> >
>> >- Ray
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>> how
>> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>> >> >
>> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>> instances
>> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
>> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a
>> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards
>> >> >Neil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax
>> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>> >> "registry".
>> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every
>> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>> >> right place. I think so...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alex,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a
>> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>> see.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>> narrow
>> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>> question, or
>> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If
>> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>> might
>> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different
>> >> solution.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Neil
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> <x-msg:
>> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at
>> this
>> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> <
>> >>
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>> >> question is very important for
>> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> No.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> <>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > --
>> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >*Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > (@rotty3000)
>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> > (@Liferay)
>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Sviridov
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> (@rotty3000)
>Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> (@Liferay)
>Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Re[4]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>.
.. David Jencks' .. (apologies David!)

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>
wrote:

> Regarding the state of the impl, please re-read David Jenks' answer, he
> states that quite clearly.
>
> Sincerely,
> - Ray
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>
> wrote:
>
>> @org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>>     immediate = false,
>>     name = "default",
>>     scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>> )
>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>>> stable it is.
>>> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>>> example:
>>>
>>> @Component (immediate = false)
>>> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>>> @Service
>>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>
>>>
>>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>> raymond.auge@liferay.com>:
>>> >
>>> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
>>> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>>> >
>>> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>>> from
>>> >source.
>>> >
>>> >- Ray
>>> >
>>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>>> how
>>> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>>> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>>> instances
>>> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
>>> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>>> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
>>> has a
>>> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Regards
>>> >> >Neil
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
>>> pax
>>> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>>> >> "registry".
>>> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>>> every
>>> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>>> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>>> >> right place. I think so...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Alex,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
>>> is a
>>> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>>> see.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>>> narrow
>>> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>>> question, or
>>> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools.
>>> If
>>> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>>> might
>>> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
>>> different
>>> >> solution.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Regards,
>>> >> >> Neil
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>> <x-msg:
>>> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>>> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
>>> at this
>>> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>>> >>
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>> >> <
>>> >>
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>>> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>>> >> question is very important for
>>> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>>> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> No.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>> <>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > --
>>> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Alex Sviridov
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>> > (@rotty3000)
>>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>> > (@Liferay)
>>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
>>  (@rotty3000)
>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
>>  (@Liferay)
>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org>
>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
>  (@rotty3000)
> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
>  (@Liferay)
> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org>
> (@OSGiAlliance)
>



-- 
*Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
 (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
 (@Liferay)
Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)

Re: Re[4]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>.
Regarding the state of the impl, please re-read David Jenks' answer, he
states that quite clearly.

Sincerely,
- Ray

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>
wrote:

> @org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>     immediate = false,
>     name = "default",
>     scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
> )
> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>
> wrote:
>
>>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>> stable it is.
>> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>> example:
>>
>> @Component (immediate = false)
>> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>> @Service
>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>
>>
>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>> raymond.auge@liferay.com>:
>> >
>> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
>> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>> >
>> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>> from
>> >source.
>> >
>> >- Ray
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>> how
>> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>> >> >
>> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>> instances
>> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
>> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has
>> a
>> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards
>> >> >Neil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax
>> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>> >> "registry".
>> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>> every
>> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>> >> right place. I think so...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Alex,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is
>> a
>> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>> see.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>> narrow
>> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>> question, or
>> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools.
>> If
>> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>> might
>> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different
>> >> solution.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Neil
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> <x-msg:
>> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at
>> this
>> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>> >>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> <
>> >>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>> >> question is very important for
>> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> No.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> <>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > --
>> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > (@rotty3000)
>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>> > (@Liferay)
>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Sviridov
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
>  (@rotty3000)
> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
>  (@Liferay)
> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org>
> (@OSGiAlliance)
>



-- 
*Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
 (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
 (@Liferay)
Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)

Re: Re[4]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>.
@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
    immediate = false,
    name = "default",
    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
)
public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}


On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:

>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
> stable it is.
> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
> example:
>
> @Component (immediate = false)
> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
> @Service
> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>
>
> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
> raymond.auge@liferay.com>:
> >
> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
> >
> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build from
> >source.
> >
> >- Ray
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >
> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
> how
> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
> >>
> >>
> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> >> >
> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
> >> >
> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
> instances
> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a
> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
> >> >
> >> >Regards
> >> >Neil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax
> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
> >> "registry".
> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every
> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
> >> right place. I think so...
> >> >>
> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> >> >>
> >> >> Alex,
> >> >>
> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a
> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
> see.
> >> >>
> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
> narrow
> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
> question, or
> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If
> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
> might
> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different
> >> solution.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Neil
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> <x-msg:
> >>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at
> this
> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> >> <
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> >> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
> >> question is very important for
> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> >>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
> >>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> No.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> <>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > --
> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Alex Sviridov
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Sviridov
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> > (@rotty3000)
> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> > (@Liferay)
> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
> (@OSGiAlliance)
>
>
> --
> Alex Sviridov
>



-- 
*Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
 (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
 (@Liferay)
Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)

Re[4]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how stable it is.
And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following example:

@Component (immediate = false)
@Property (name = "name",value = "default")
@Service
public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>
>Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
>scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>
>However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build from
>source.
>
>- Ray
>
>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>
>>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information how
>> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>>
>>
>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >
>> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>> >
>> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service instances
>> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
>> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a
>> mailing list then you should ask there.
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax
>> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>> "registry".
>> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every
>> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>> right place. I think so...
>> >>
>> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> >>
>> >> Alex,
>> >>
>> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a
>> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.
>> >>
>> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow
>> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or
>> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If
>> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might
>> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different
>> solution.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Neil
>> >>
>> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <x-msg:
>>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
>> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> <
>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>> question is very important for
>> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>> >>>
>> >>> No.
>> >>>
>> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <>>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Alex Sviridov
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Alex Sviridov
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Sviridov
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> (@rotty3000)
>Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> (@Liferay)
>Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>.
Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports prototype
scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.

However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build from
source.

- Ray

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:

>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information how
> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>
>
> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> njbartlett@gmail.com>:
> >
> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
> >
> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service instances
> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI
> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a
> mailing list then you should ask there.
> >
> >Regards
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
> >>
> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax
> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
> "registry".
> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every
> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
> right place. I think so...
> >>
> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> >>
> >> Alex,
> >>
> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a
> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.
> >>
> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow
> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or
> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If
> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might
> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different
> solution.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Neil
> >>
> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <x-msg:
> //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> <
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> >
> >>>
> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
> question is very important for
> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
> e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
> >>>
> >>> No.
> >>>
> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <>>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Alex Sviridov
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Alex Sviridov
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alex Sviridov
> >
>
>
> --
> Alex Sviridov
>



-- 
*Raymond Augé* <http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile>
 (@rotty3000)
Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <http://www.liferay.com>
 (@Liferay)
Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <http://osgi.org> (@OSGiAlliance)

Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information how to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
>
>Yes and no. Mostly no.
>
>The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service instances under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI implementation you are using would also have to have support for this feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a mailing list then you should ask there.
>
>Regards
>Neil
>
>
>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi "registry".
>> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the right place. I think so...
>> 
>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett < njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> 
>> Alex,
>> 
>> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.
>> 
>> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different solution.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Neil
>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <x-msg: //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
>>> mailing list and at stackoverflow  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues < http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues > 
>>> 
>>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
>>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett < njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>>> 
>>> No.
>>> 
>>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <>> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > Alex Sviridov
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Alex Sviridov
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Alex Sviridov
>


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>.
Yes and no. Mostly no.

The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service instances under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the CDI implementation you are using would also have to have support for this feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it has a mailing list then you should ask there.

Regards
Neil


> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi "registry".
> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the right place. I think so...
> 
> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
> 
> Alex,
> 
> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.
> 
> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different solution.
> 
> Regards,
> Neil
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <x-...@mail.ru>> wrote:
>> 
>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
>> mailing list and at stackoverflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues> 
>> 
>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> 
>> 
>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <njbartlett@gmail.com <x-...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Alex Sviridov
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Alex Sviridov
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alex Sviridov

Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both pax (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish ( @OSGiService) work with osgi "registry".
So it is the question about how to get new service instance for every consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the right place. I think so...

>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
>
>Alex,
>
>This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.
>
>In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different solution.
>
>Regards,
>Neil
>>On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
>>mailing list and at stackoverflow   http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues  
>>
>>You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
>>me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>
>>
>>>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett < njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> --  
>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>
>>
>>
>>--  
>>Alex Sviridov


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Nick Baker <nb...@pentaho.com>.
Perhaps the PAX-CDI guys on the ops4j list could help.

‎https://ops4j1.jira.com/wiki/display/ops4j/Mailing+Lists

Sent from my BlackBerry. I'm AFK at the moment.
  Original Message
From: Neil Bartlett
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:46 AM
To: Alex Sviridov
Reply To: users@felix.apache.org
Cc: users@felix.apache.org
Subject: Re: Is this mailing-list dead?


Alex,

This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.

In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different solution.

Regards,
Neil

> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:
>
> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
> mailing list and at stackoverflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues>
>
> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>
>
> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
>
> No.
>
> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <x-...@mail.ru>> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alex Sviridov
>
>
>
> --
> Alex Sviridov

Re: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>.
Alex,

This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it is a Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can see.

In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very narrow niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your question, or that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current tools. If you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you might make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a different solution.

Regards,
Neil

> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
> mailing list and at stackoverflow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues> 
> 
> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
> 
> 
> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
> 
> No.
> 
> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <ooo_saturn7@mail.ru <x-...@mail.ru>> wrote:
> > 
> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Alex Sviridov
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alex Sviridov

Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI at this
mailing list and at stackoverflow  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues

You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the question is very important for
me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.


>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
>
>No.
>
>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Alex Sviridov
>


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>.
No.

> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alex Sviridov


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Re[4]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 Thank you very much! I thought my mistake in understanding. I've checked what we talked and I will start new thread.


>Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 11:19 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
>
>
>
>
>On Friday, 17 July 2015 at 10:58, Alex Sviridov wrote:
>
>> To tell the truth I am totally confused. I thought that DS work this way: 
>> Aa bundle with ds.xml file  is loaded by osgi framework and ds framework reads xml files and creates osgi services.
>> 
>> 
>
>
>Yes this is correct. 
>> 
>> So maven plugin is used for generating this ds xml files. Am I wrong?
>
>No, this is also correct! But you are using the wrong plugin: maven-scr-plugin is obsolete, and understands a different set of annotations. 
>
>These days the annotation processing is done directly by bnd, which is part of the maven-bundle-plugin (or bnd-maven-plugin). 
>  
>> 
>> 
>> > Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 10:31 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett < njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> > 
>> > Alex, what is the relevance of the maven-scr-plugin? The annotations are processed directly by bnd, but only in the (unreleased) version 3.0. A separate Maven plugin is not required.
>> > 
>> > The annotation library, which you will need as a dependency to compile your own code, is here:  https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations <  https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations >
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > Neil
>> > 
>> > > On 17 Jul 2015, at 09:40, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > I don't understand you. I use <artifactId>org.apache.felix.scr.annotations</artifactId> <version>1.9.12</version> and 
>> > > <artifactId>maven-scr-plugin</artifactId> <version>1.21.0</version>. So annotations are needed only for generating by maven ds.xml files.
>> > > 
>> > > But I don't know - if this maven src plugin supports DS scope. How can I find it out? If it doesn't support, then setting scope in @Component won't help, will it?
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > > Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 1:07 -04:00 от Raymond Auge <  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> > > > 
>> > > > Since the annotations are build time only, usually you'll only find those in tools which support DS 1.3 annotations. The most common case of this is bnd. So, if you get your hands on bnd 3.0(in development) it will contain those...
>> > > > 
>> > > > Or you could look here  https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/blob/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations/org.osgi.service.component.annotations-1.3.0.jar
>> > > > 
>> > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> > > > > Ray, I have to ask you for help again. I tried the code you provided using osgi 6.0.0 however there is no scope in org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component.
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:19 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll
>> > > > > > have to check where the scr project is getting it from.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > - Ray
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>> > > > > > >  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > @org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>> > > > > > > > immediate = false,
>> > > > > > > > name = "default",
>> > > > > > > > scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>> > > > > > > > )
>> > > > > > > > public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>> > > > > > > > > stable it is.
>> > > > > > > > > And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>> > > > > > > > > example:
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > @Component (immediate = false)
>> > > > > > > > > @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>> > > > > > > > > @Service
>> > > > > > > > > public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>> > > > > > > > >  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
>> > > > > > > prototype
>> > > > > > > > > > scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>> > > > > > > from
>> > > > > > > > > > source.
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > - Ray
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>> > > > > > > > > how
>> > > > > > > > > > > to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> > > > > > > > > > >  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no. Mostly no.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>> > > > > > > > > > > include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > instances
>> > > > > > > > > > > under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > CDI
>> > > > > > > > > > > implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>> > > > > > > > > > > feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > has a
>> > > > > > > > > > > mailing list then you should ask there.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Neil
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
>> > > > > > > pax
>> > > > > > > > > > > (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>> > > > > > > > > > > "registry".
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > every
>> > > > > > > > > > > consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > right place. I think so...
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> > > > > > > > > > >  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
>> > > > > > > is a
>> > > > > > > > > > > Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > see.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>> > > > > > > > > narrow
>> > > > > > > > > > > niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > question, or
>> > > > > > > > > > > that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > tools. If
>> > > > > > > > > > > you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > might
>> > > > > > > > > > > make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > different
>> > > > > > > > > > > solution.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> > > > > > > > > <x-msg:
>> > > > > > > > > > >  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>> > > > > > > > > > > getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > at
>> > > > > > > > > this
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing list and at stackoverflow
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > >  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> > > > > > > > > > > <
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > >  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>> > > > > > > > > > > understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help, as the
>> > > > > > > > > > > question is very important for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>> > > > > > > > > > >  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>> > > > > > > > > > >  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > <>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > > *Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > > > > > > > > > (@rotty3000)
>> > > > > > > > > > Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> > > > > > > > > > (@Liferay)
>> > > > > > > > > > Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> > > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > (@OSGiAlliance)
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > > *Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > > > > > > > (@rotty3000)
>> > > > > > > > Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> > > > > > > > (@Liferay)
>> > > > > > > > Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > (@OSGiAlliance)
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > -- 
>> > > > > > *Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>> > > > > > (@rotty3000)
>> > > > > > Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>> > > > > > (@Liferay)
>> > > > > > Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > -- 
>> > > > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > -- 
>> > > > Raymond Augé (@rotty3000)
>> > > > Senior Software Architect Liferay, Inc. (@Liferay) Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance (@OSGiAlliance)
>> > > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > -- 
>> > > Alex Sviridov
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Alex Sviridov
>> 
>> 
>
>


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
You are correct that the sevaral plugins just create the xml files in 
the end. Unfortunately there are several competing annotations and impls 
for the generation.
I was also confused when I started to work with ds and there is no good 
documentation.

If you need a working example see my newest tutorial:
http://liquid-reality.de/display/liquid/2015/06/30/Apache+Karaf+Tutorial+part+10+-+Declarative+services

It uses the annotations defined by the OSGi specs and the 
maven-bundle-plugin (bnd) to create the xml.
So it should match the solution Neil proposes.

Christian


On 17.07.2015 11:58, Alex Sviridov wrote:
>   To tell the truth I am totally confused. I thought that DS work this way:
> Aa bundle with ds.xml file  is loaded by osgi framework and ds framework reads xml files and creates osgi services.
>
> So maven plugin is used for generating this ds xml files. Am I wrong?
>

-- 
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de

Open Source Architect
http://www.talend.com


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Re: Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>.


On Friday, 17 July 2015 at 10:58, Alex Sviridov wrote:

> To tell the truth I am totally confused. I thought that DS work this way:  
> Aa bundle with ds.xml file  is loaded by osgi framework and ds framework reads xml files and creates osgi services.
>  
>  


Yes this is correct.   
>  
> So maven plugin is used for generating this ds xml files. Am I wrong?

No, this is also correct! But you are using the wrong plugin: maven-scr-plugin is obsolete, and understands a different set of annotations.  

These days the annotation processing is done directly by bnd, which is part of the maven-bundle-plugin (or bnd-maven-plugin).  
  
>  
>  
> > Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 10:31 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
> >  
> > Alex, what is the relevance of the maven-scr-plugin? The annotations are processed directly by bnd, but only in the (unreleased) version 3.0. A separate Maven plugin is not required.
> >  
> > The annotation library, which you will need as a dependency to compile your own code, is here: https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations < https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations >
> >  
> > Regards,
> > Neil
> >  
> > > On 17 Jul 2015, at 09:40, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
> > >  
> > > I don't understand you. I use <artifactId>org.apache.felix.scr.annotations</artifactId> <version>1.9.12</version> and  
> > > <artifactId>maven-scr-plugin</artifactId> <version>1.21.0</version>. So annotations are needed only for generating by maven ds.xml files.
> > >  
> > > But I don't know - if this maven src plugin supports DS scope. How can I find it out? If it doesn't support, then setting scope in @Component won't help, will it?
> > >  
> > >  
> > > > Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 1:07 -04:00 от Raymond Auge < raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
> > > >  
> > > > Since the annotations are build time only, usually you'll only find those in tools which support DS 1.3 annotations. The most common case of this is bnd. So, if you get your hands on bnd 3.0(in development) it will contain those...
> > > >  
> > > > Or you could look here https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/blob/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations/org.osgi.service.component.annotations-1.3.0.jar
> > > >  
> > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
> > > > > Ray, I have to ask you for help again. I tried the code you provided using osgi 6.0.0 however there is no scope in org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component.
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:19 -05:00 от Raymond Auge < raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll
> > > > > > have to check where the scr project is getting it from.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > - Ray
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
> > > > > > > raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > @org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
> > > > > > > > immediate = false,
> > > > > > > > name = "default",
> > > > > > > > scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
> > > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > > public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
> > > > > > > > > stable it is.
> > > > > > > > > And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
> > > > > > > > > example:
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > @Component (immediate = false)
> > > > > > > > > @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
> > > > > > > > > @Service
> > > > > > > > > public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
> > > > > > > > > raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
> > > > > > > prototype
> > > > > > > > > > scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > source.
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > - Ray
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> > > > > > > > > > > njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no. Mostly no.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
> > > > > > > > > > > include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > instances
> > > > > > > > > > > under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > CDI
> > > > > > > > > > > implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
> > > > > > > > > > > feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > has a
> > > > > > > > > > > mailing list then you should ask there.
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
> > > > > > > pax
> > > > > > > > > > > (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
> > > > > > > > > > > "registry".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > > > consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > right place. I think so...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> > > > > > > > > > > njbartlett@gmail.com >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
> > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > > Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > see.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
> > > > > > > > > narrow
> > > > > > > > > > > niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > question, or
> > > > > > > > > > > that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > tools. If
> > > > > > > > > > > you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > might
> > > > > > > > > > > make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> > > > > > > > > <x-msg:
> > > > > > > > > > > //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
> > > > > > > > > > > getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing list and at stackoverflow
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
> > > > > > > > > > > understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help, as the
> > > > > > > > > > > question is very important for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
> > > > > > > > > > > njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
> > > > > > > > > > > e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > <>>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > *Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> > > > > > > > > > (@rotty3000)
> > > > > > > > > > Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> > > > > > > > > > (@Liferay)
> > > > > > > > > > Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > (@OSGiAlliance)
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > *Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> > > > > > > > (@rotty3000)
> > > > > > > > Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> > > > > > > > (@Liferay)
> > > > > > > > Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > (@OSGiAlliance)
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Alex Sviridov
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > --  
> > > > > > *Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
> > > > > > (@rotty3000)
> > > > > > Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
> > > > > > (@Liferay)
> > > > > > Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)
> > > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > --  
> > > > > Alex Sviridov
> > > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > --  
> > > > Raymond Augé (@rotty3000)
> > > > Senior Software Architect Liferay, Inc. (@Liferay) Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance (@OSGiAlliance)
> > > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > --  
> > > Alex Sviridov
> > >  
> >  
> >  
>  
>  
>  
> --  
> Alex Sviridov
>  
>

Re[2]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 To tell the truth I am totally confused. I thought that DS work this way: 
Aa bundle with ds.xml file  is loaded by osgi framework and ds framework reads xml files and creates osgi services.

So maven plugin is used for generating this ds xml files. Am I wrong?


>Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 10:31 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>:
>
>Alex, what is the relevance of the maven-scr-plugin? The annotations are processed directly by bnd, but only in the (unreleased) version 3.0. A separate Maven plugin is not required.
>
>The annotation library, which you will need as a dependency to compile your own code, is here:  https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations < https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations >
>
>Regards,
>Neil
>
>> On 17 Jul 2015, at 09:40, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't understand you. I use <artifactId>org.apache.felix.scr.annotations</artifactId> <version>1.9.12</version> and 
>> <artifactId>maven-scr-plugin</artifactId>  <version>1.21.0</version>. So annotations are needed only for generating by maven  ds.xml files.
>> 
>> But I don't know - if this maven src plugin supports DS scope. How can I find it out? If it doesn't support, then setting scope in @Component won't help, will it?
>> 
>> 
>>> Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 1:07 -04:00 от Raymond Auge < raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>> 
>>> Since the annotations are build time only, usually you'll only find those in tools which support DS 1.3 annotations. The most common case of this is bnd. So, if you get your hands on bnd 3.0(in development) it will contain those...
>>> 
>>> Or you could look here  https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/blob/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations/org.osgi.service.component.annotations-1.3.0.jar
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>>> Ray, I have to ask you for help again. I tried the code you provided using osgi 6.0.0 however there is no scope in org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:19 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>>> 
>>>>> that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll
>>>>> have to check where the scr project is getting it from.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Ray
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>>>>>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> @org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>>>>>>>   immediate = false,
>>>>>>>   name = "default",
>>>>>>>   scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>>>>>>>> stable it is.
>>>>>>>> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> @Component (immediate = false)
>>>>>>>> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>>>>>>>> @Service
>>>>>>>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>>>>>>>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
>>>>>> prototype
>>>>>>>>> scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> source.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> - Ray
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>>>>>>>>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes and no. Mostly no.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>>>>>>>>>> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>>>>>>>> instances
>>>>>>>>>> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
>>>>>> CDI
>>>>>>>>>> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>>>>>>>>>> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>>> mailing list then you should ask there.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
>>>>>> pax
>>>>>>>>>> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>>>>>>>>>> "registry".
>>>>>>>>>>>> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>>>>>>>>>>>> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>>>>>>>>>> right place. I think so...
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>>>>>>>>  njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>>>>>>>> narrow
>>>>>>>>>> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>>>>>>>> question, or
>>>>>>>>>> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
>>>>>> tools. If
>>>>>>>>>> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>>>>>> <x-msg:
>>>>>>>>>>  //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>>>>>>>>>> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>>>>>>>>>> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>>>>>>>>>> question is very important for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>>>>>>>>  njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>>>>>>>>>>  e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov <  ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>>>>>>> (@rotty3000)
>>>>>>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>>>>>>>>> (@Liferay)
>>>>>>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>>>>>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>>>>> (@rotty3000)
>>>>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>>>>>>> (@Liferay)
>>>>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org >
>>>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> *Raymond Augé* <  http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>>>  (@rotty3000)
>>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* <  http://www.liferay.com >
>>>>>  (@Liferay)
>>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance <  http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Raymond Augé  (@rotty3000)
>>> Senior Software Architect  Liferay, Inc.  (@Liferay) Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance (@OSGiAlliance)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Alex Sviridov
>


-- 
Alex Sviridov

Re: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Neil Bartlett <nj...@gmail.com>.
Alex, what is the relevance of the maven-scr-plugin? The annotations are processed directly by bnd, but only in the (unreleased) version 3.0. A separate Maven plugin is not required.

The annotation library, which you will need as a dependency to compile your own code, is here: https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations <https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/tree/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations>

Regards,
Neil

> On 17 Jul 2015, at 09:40, Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru> wrote:
> 
> I don't understand you. I use <artifactId>org.apache.felix.scr.annotations</artifactId> <version>1.9.12</version> and 
> <artifactId>maven-scr-plugin</artifactId>  <version>1.21.0</version>. So annotations are needed only for generating by maven  ds.xml files.
> 
> But I don't know - if this maven src plugin supports DS scope. How can I find it out? If it doesn't support, then setting scope in @Component won't help, will it?
> 
> 
>> Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 1:07 -04:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>> 
>> Since the annotations are build time only, usually you'll only find those in tools which support DS 1.3 annotations. The most common case of this is bnd. So, if you get your hands on bnd 3.0(in development) it will contain those...
>> 
>> Or you could look here https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/blob/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations/org.osgi.service.component.annotations-1.3.0.jar
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>> Ray, I have to ask you for help again. I tried the code you provided using osgi 6.0.0 however there is no scope in org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:19 -05:00 от Raymond Auge < raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>> 
>>>> that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll
>>>> have to check where the scr project is getting it from.
>>>> 
>>>> - Ray
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>>>> raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>>>>>>   immediate = false,
>>>>>>   name = "default",
>>>>>>   scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>>>>>> )
>>>>>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>>>>>>> stable it is.
>>>>>>> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> @Component (immediate = false)
>>>>>>> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>>>>>>> @Service
>>>>>>> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>>>>>> raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
>>>>> prototype
>>>>>>>> scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> source.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Ray
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>>>>>>> njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes and no. Mostly no.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>>>>>>>>> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>>>>>>> instances
>>>>>>>>> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
>>>>> CDI
>>>>>>>>> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>>>>>>>>> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>>> mailing list then you should ask there.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
>>>>> pax
>>>>>>>>> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>>>>>>>>> "registry".
>>>>>>>>>>> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>>>>>>>>>>> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>>>>>>>>> right place. I think so...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>>>>>>> njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>>>>>>> narrow
>>>>>>>>> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>>>>>>> question, or
>>>>>>>>> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
>>>>> tools. If
>>>>>>>>> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>>>>> <x-msg:
>>>>>>>>> //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>>>>>>>>> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
>>>>> at
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>>>>>>>>> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>>>>>>>>> question is very important for
>>>>>>>>>>>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>>>>>>> njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>>>>>>>>> e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>> 
>>>>>>> <>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>>>>>> (@rotty3000)
>>>>>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>>>>>>> (@Liferay)
>>>>>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
>>>>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>>>> (@rotty3000)
>>>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>>>>> (@Liferay)
>>>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
>>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> *Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>>  (@rotty3000)
>>>> Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>>>  (@Liferay)
>>>> Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Alex Sviridov
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Raymond Augé  (@rotty3000)
>> Senior Software Architect  Liferay, Inc.  (@Liferay) Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance (@OSGiAlliance)
> 
> -- 
> Alex Sviridov

Re[14]: Is this mailing-list dead?

Posted by Alex Sviridov <oo...@mail.ru>.
 I don't understand you. I use <artifactId>org.apache.felix.scr.annotations</artifactId> <version>1.9.12</version> and 
<artifactId>maven-scr-plugin</artifactId>  <version>1.21.0</version>. So annotations are needed only for generating by maven  ds.xml files.

But I don't know - if this maven src plugin supports DS scope. How can I find it out? If it doesn't support, then setting scope in @Component won't help, will it?


>Пятница, 17 июля 2015, 1:07 -04:00 от Raymond Auge <ra...@liferay.com>:
>
>Since the annotations are build time only, usually you'll only find those in tools which support DS 1.3 annotations. The most common case of this is bnd. So, if you get your hands on bnd 3.0(in development) it will contain those...
>
>Or you could look here https://github.com/bndtools/bnd/blob/master/cnf/repo/org.osgi.service.component.annotations/org.osgi.service.component.annotations-1.3.0.jar
>
>On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>Ray, I have to ask you for help again. I tried the code you provided using osgi 6.0.0 however there is no scope in org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component.
>>
>>
>>>Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 12:19 -05:00 от Raymond Auge < raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>
>>>that's kind of the point... it's not public yet! I think, right now, you'll
>>>have to check where the scr project is getting it from.
>>>
>>>- Ray
>>>
>>>On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Could you say, from what maven dependency you get ServiceScope?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:21 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>>>  raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>> >
>>>> >@org.osgi.service.component.annotations.Component(
>>>> >    immediate = false,
>>>> >    name = "default",
>>>> >    scope = ServiceScope.PROTOTYPE
>>>> >)
>>>> >public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>  Thank you. Could you say at what state this version is - I mean how
>>>> >> stable it is.
>>>> >> And the second question how can I make prototype scope in the following
>>>> >> example:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> @Component (immediate = false)
>>>> >> @Property (name = "name",value = "default")
>>>> >> @Service
>>>> >> public class MyClass implements MyInterface{}
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 11:06 -05:00 от Raymond Auge <
>>>> >> raymond.auge@liferay.com >:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Alex, it's because there is no released DS spec which supports
>>>> prototype
>>>> >> >scope. That will only come out in the next couple months.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >However, DS in felix trunk has the support for it, so you could build
>>>> from
>>>> >> >source.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >- Ray
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>> >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>  Neil, thank you. I use apache felix. And I tried to find information
>>>> >> how
>>>> >> >> to use DS with prototype scope - but I found nothing.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:56 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>> >> >> njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Yes and no. Mostly no.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >The OSGi core spec Release 6, which is now around a year old, does
>>>> >> >> include the ability for service consumers to obtain new service
>>>> >> instances
>>>> >> >> under their control (the so-called "prototype scope”). However the
>>>> CDI
>>>> >> >> implementation you are using would also have to have support for this
>>>> >> >> feature. So your question relates to the CDI implementation… if it
>>>> has a
>>>> >> >> mailing list then you should ask there.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Regards
>>>> >> >> >Neil
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:51, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Neil, unfortunately I can't agree with you. As I understand both
>>>> pax
>>>> >> >> (@Inject @OsgiService) and fighterfish (@OSGiService) work with osgi
>>>> >> >> "registry".
>>>> >> >> >> So it is the question about how to get new service instance for
>>>> every
>>>> >> >> consumer from osgi "registry" - I am sorry if the
>>>> >> >> >> terms I use are wrong. That's why I think this mailing list is the
>>>> >> >> right place. I think so...
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:46 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>> >> >> njbartlett@gmail.com >:
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Alex,
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> This list might not be the best place to ask about CDI, since it
>>>> is a
>>>> >> >> Java enterprise spec that is not much used with OSGi as far as I can
>>>> >> see.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> In fact your choice to use CDI with OSGi puts you within a very
>>>> >> narrow
>>>> >> >> niche. It may be the case that nobody knows the answer to your
>>>> >> question, or
>>>> >> >> that what you want to achieve is not possible with the current
>>>> tools. If
>>>> >> >> you are willing to invest in improving those tools yourself then you
>>>> >> might
>>>> >> >> make progress… otherwise I would strongly recommend finding a
>>>> different
>>>> >> >> solution.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Regards,
>>>> >> >> >> Neil
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:41, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>> >> <x-msg:
>>>> >> >> //e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aooo_saturn7@mail.ru >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>> Neil, thank you for your answer. I asked a question about using
>>>> >> >> getting new instance of DS for every consumer call to work with CDI
>>>> at
>>>> >> this
>>>> >> >> >>> mailing list and at stackoverflow
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>> >> >> <
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31354996/osgi-ds-and-component-factories-issues
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>> You, Neil, helped me as you could, but you don't like CDI (as I
>>>> >> >> understood). Is here anyone else besides you, who could help,  as the
>>>> >> >> question is very important for
>>>> >> >> >>> me and I can't continue work without getting certain answer.
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>> Четверг, 16 июля 2015, 16:35 +01:00 от Neil Bartlett <
>>>> >> >> njbartlett@gmail.com <x-msg: //
>>>> >> >> e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3anjbartlett@gmail.com >>:
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>> No.
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>> > On 16 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Alex Sviridov < ooo_saturn7@mail.ru
>>>
>>>> >> <>>
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >> >>> > I haven't got any messages from this mailing list. Is it dead?
>>>> >> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >> >>> > --
>>>> >> >> >>> > Alex Sviridov
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>>
>>>> >> >> >>> --
>>>> >> >> >>> Alex Sviridov
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> --
>>>> >> >> Alex Sviridov
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >--
>>>> >> >*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>> >> > (@rotty3000)
>>>> >> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>>> >> > (@Liferay)
>>>> >> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
>>>> >> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Alex Sviridov
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >--
>>>> >*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>>> > (@rotty3000)
>>>> >Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>>> > (@Liferay)
>>>> >Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org >
>>>> (@OSGiAlliance)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alex Sviridov
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>*Raymond Augé* < http://www.liferay.com/web/raymond.auge/profile >
>>> (@rotty3000)
>>>Senior Software Architect *Liferay, Inc.* < http://www.liferay.com >
>>> (@Liferay)
>>>Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance < http://osgi.org > (@OSGiAlliance)
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Alex Sviridov
>
>
>
>-- 
>Raymond Augé  (@rotty3000)
>Senior Software Architect  Liferay, Inc.  (@Liferay) Board Member & EEG Co-Chair, OSGi Alliance (@OSGiAlliance)

-- 
Alex Sviridov