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Posted to dev@tapestry.apache.org by Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de> on 2012/01/02 09:35:51 UTC
Re: Confluence export template updated for HTML5, admin help needed
Apache CMS does exactly that. You keep markdown (default, other document processors like jekyll
possible) sources in version control and it generates the website for you automatically and almost
instantly upon checkin. The downside is that only people with Apache accounts can contribute. But
sending in patches isn't too hard either...
-1 on hosting the (sources for the) documentation outside the ASF.
Uli
On 26.12.2011 23:14, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> I'd love to use something a bit more offline, like Jekyl
> (https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll) to generate the documentation.
>
> The only advantage to our current approach is that we have a half-way
> ground, where signers of the CLA can contribute documentation.
>
> What about if we maintain a public Git repo for the documentation, and
> only accept pull requests from people who have signed the CLA?
>
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't know. My gut feeling is that it will take several months to migrate
>> our content, something we should start thinking about in the coming months
>> but not something to start doing quite yet. Remember, just because the
>> infrastructure guys say something will happen by a certain deadline doesn't
>> mean it really will. A lot can change in a year.
>>
>> I'll admit I'm reluctant to move quickly to a new homegrown CMS system
>> designed from scratch by a system administrator, built on Perl, written in
>> just 30 days and only in use a couple of months now. I'd rather let some
>> other projects work out the kinks.
>>
>> Bob Harner
>> On Dec 26, 2011 2:19 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The comments on your defect seem too imply that we only have confluence for
>>> a year. What happens after a year? How long is it going to take to migrate?
>>> On Dec 26, 2011 6:43 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, but I wouldn't be in a rush. Better to let other projects work out
>>>> the bugs, and maybe they'll even come up with a migration path that we
>>> can
>>>> use. Right now we have a very nice system that works well.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Harner
>>>> On Dec 25, 2011 6:58 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like there needs to be an effort to get off confluence if we
>>>>> really only have "a year max".
>>>>> On Dec 24, 2011 8:18 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Howard (or anybody else with Confluence admin rights),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you paste the template in one more time? I've updated the
>>>>>> template in SVN again, with a work-around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> /tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt
>>>>>> The Apache infrastructure guys marked as "invalid" the INFRA-4248
>>> JIRA
>>>>>> issue I filed (no surprise there), So now I've gone in another
>>>>>> direction, forcing IE into standards mode using the "x-ua-compatible"
>>>>>> meta tag. (For the curious, see
>>>>>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the IE problem persists. The DOCTYPE declaration is
>>>>>>> still not being rendered as the first item in the HTML.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I checked several other Apache web sites -- Shiro, Directory,
>>> Camel,
>>>>>>> ActiveMQ -- which also use the auto-export process, and they also
>>> all
>>>>>>> render in Quirks mode in IE due to having the DOCTYPE in the wrong
>>>>>>> place, even though their auto-export templates
>>>>>>> (e.g.
>>> http://shiro.apache.org/confluence-auto-export.data/shiroConfluenceAutoExportTemplate.vhtml.txt
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>> are correct. So I guess this problem is caused by the export plugin
>>>>>>> itself. Maybe the Apache infrastructure guys are forcing the
>>> license
>>>>>>> to the top for bureaucratic reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless somebody has another idea, I'll file a ticket with the
>>> Apache
>>>>>>> Infrastructure team. I don't think they really want to support the
>>>>>>> auto-export plugin, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alternatively, we could change the site design to work well in
>>> Quirks
>>>>>>> mode. But I'd really rather not do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Updated, export in progress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that the export process is causing the DOCTYPE
>>>>>>>>> declaration to appear below the license comment block, despite
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> template having it the other way around. It turns out that not
>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration as the very first thing on the page
>>> causes
>>>> IE
>>>>>>>>> to remain in quirks mode.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I updated the file in SVN again, moving the velocity directives
>>>> below
>>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration. Can you (or anyone) try pasting it into
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> admin console again, making sure that <!DOCTYPE html> is the very
>>>>>>>>> first line in the resulting text? (Or if you want, give me the
>>> site
>>>>>>>>> admin rights to do so myself.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I'll just publish a single page so we can see if it is right
>>>>>>>>> before exporting the whole site again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Bob Harner <bobharner@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the new DOCTYPE didn't seem to help, even though
>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> tests showed that it would. My IE 8 is still rendering the page
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Quirks mode. More investigation needed...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Export is in progress, now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Bob Harner <
>>>> bobharner@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For many many months now, our nice Confluence-generated
>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not looked right in IE, due to IE rendering in quirks
>>> mode.
>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple fix is to switch to a proper doctype, such as the
>>> HTML5
>>>>>> one, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the auto-export template. I have done that today and
>>> committed
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change, but somebody with Confluence admin rights (such as
>>> Uli)
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to paste the contents of the newly-committed template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> (/tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the admin screens as described at the bottom of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tapestry.apache.org/confluence-site-setup.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once that is done and the whole site re-exported, IE will
>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tapestry once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance to whoever takes care of this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>>> dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
>>> Contact
>>>>> me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
>>> Contact
>>>> me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact
>>> me
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: Confluence export template updated for HTML5, admin help needed
Posted by Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>.
Thanks! Now, finally, the documentation is formatting correctly for
those few Tapestry users who are forced to use IE. (The main problems
were the banner layout and the Related Articles.)
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de> wrote:
> done
>
> On 02.01.2012 13:46, Bob Harner wrote:
>> Meanwhile, can somebody go ahead and paste the current template from svn
>> into the admin console? Thx
>>
>> Bob Harner
>> On Jan 2, 2012 3:36 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" <ul...@spielviel.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Apache CMS does exactly that. You keep markdown (default, other document
>>> processors like jekyll
>>> possible) sources in version control and it generates the website for you
>>> automatically and almost
>>> instantly upon checkin. The downside is that only people with Apache
>>> accounts can contribute. But
>>> sending in patches isn't too hard either...
>>>
>>> -1 on hosting the (sources for the) documentation outside the ASF.
>>>
>>> Uli
>>>
>>> On 26.12.2011 23:14, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>>> I'd love to use something a bit more offline, like Jekyl
>>>> (https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll) to generate the documentation.
>>>>
>>>> The only advantage to our current approach is that we have a half-way
>>>> ground, where signers of the CLA can contribute documentation.
>>>>
>>>> What about if we maintain a public Git repo for the documentation, and
>>>> only accept pull requests from people who have signed the CLA?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know. My gut feeling is that it will take several months to
>>> migrate
>>>>> our content, something we should start thinking about in the coming
>>> months
>>>>> but not something to start doing quite yet. Remember, just because the
>>>>> infrastructure guys say something will happen by a certain deadline
>>> doesn't
>>>>> mean it really will. A lot can change in a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll admit I'm reluctant to move quickly to a new homegrown CMS system
>>>>> designed from scratch by a system administrator, built on Perl, written
>>> in
>>>>> just 30 days and only in use a couple of months now. I'd rather let some
>>>>> other projects work out the kinks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Harner
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2011 2:19 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> The comments on your defect seem too imply that we only have
>>> confluence for
>>>>>> a year. What happens after a year? How long is it going to take to
>>> migrate?
>>>>>> On Dec 26, 2011 6:43 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, but I wouldn't be in a rush. Better to let other projects work
>>> out
>>>>>>> the bugs, and maybe they'll even come up with a migration path that we
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> use. Right now we have a very nice system that works well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Harner
>>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2011 6:58 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It sounds like there needs to be an effort to get off confluence if
>>> we
>>>>>>>> really only have "a year max".
>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2011 8:18 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Howard (or anybody else with Confluence admin rights),
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you paste the template in one more time? I've updated the
>>>>>>>>> template in SVN again, with a work-around.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> /tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt
>>>>>>>>> The Apache infrastructure guys marked as "invalid" the INFRA-4248
>>>>>> JIRA
>>>>>>>>> issue I filed (no surprise there), So now I've gone in another
>>>>>>>>> direction, forcing IE into standards mode using the
>>> "x-ua-compatible"
>>>>>>>>> meta tag. (For the curious, see
>>>>>>>>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the IE problem persists. The DOCTYPE declaration is
>>>>>>>>>> still not being rendered as the first item in the HTML.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I checked several other Apache web sites -- Shiro, Directory,
>>>>>> Camel,
>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ -- which also use the auto-export process, and they also
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> render in Quirks mode in IE due to having the DOCTYPE in the wrong
>>>>>>>>>> place, even though their auto-export templates
>>>>>>>>>> (e.g.
>>> http://shiro.apache.org/confluence-auto-export.data/shiroConfluenceAutoExportTemplate.vhtml.txt
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>> are correct. So I guess this problem is caused by the export plugin
>>>>>>>>>> itself. Maybe the Apache infrastructure guys are forcing the
>>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>>> to the top for bureaucratic reasons.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless somebody has another idea, I'll file a ticket with the
>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure team. I don't think they really want to support the
>>>>>>>>>> auto-export plugin, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, we could change the site design to work well in
>>>>>> Quirks
>>>>>>>>>> mode. But I'd really rather not do that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Updated, export in progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that the export process is causing the DOCTYPE
>>>>>>>>>>>> declaration to appear below the license comment block, despite
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> template having it the other way around. It turns out that not
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration as the very first thing on the page
>>>>>> causes
>>>>>>> IE
>>>>>>>>>>>> to remain in quirks mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I updated the file in SVN again, moving the velocity directives
>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration. Can you (or anyone) try pasting it into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> admin console again, making sure that <!DOCTYPE html> is the very
>>>>>>>>>>>> first line in the resulting text? (Or if you want, give me the
>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>>> admin rights to do so myself.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I'll just publish a single page so we can see if it is right
>>>>>>>>>>>> before exporting the whole site again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Bob Harner <bobharner@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the new DOCTYPE didn't seem to help, even though
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests showed that it would. My IE 8 is still rendering the page
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quirks mode. More investigation needed...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Export is in progress, now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Bob Harner <
>>>>>>> bobharner@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For many many months now, our nice Confluence-generated
>>>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not looked right in IE, due to IE rendering in quirks
>>>>>> mode.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple fix is to switch to a proper doctype, such as the
>>>>>> HTML5
>>>>>>>>> one, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the auto-export template. I have done that today and
>>>>>> committed
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change, but somebody with Confluence admin rights (such as
>>>>>> Uli)
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to paste the contents of the newly-committed template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> (/tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the admin screens as described at the bottom of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tapestry.apache.org/confluence-site-setup.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once that is done and the whole site re-exported, IE will
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tapestry once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance to whoever takes care of this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>>>>>> dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
>>>>>> Contact
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
>>>>>> Contact
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Re: Confluence export template updated for HTML5, admin help needed
Posted by Ulrich Stärk <ul...@spielviel.de>.
done
On 02.01.2012 13:46, Bob Harner wrote:
> Meanwhile, can somebody go ahead and paste the current template from svn
> into the admin console? Thx
>
> Bob Harner
> On Jan 2, 2012 3:36 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" <ul...@spielviel.de> wrote:
>
>> Apache CMS does exactly that. You keep markdown (default, other document
>> processors like jekyll
>> possible) sources in version control and it generates the website for you
>> automatically and almost
>> instantly upon checkin. The downside is that only people with Apache
>> accounts can contribute. But
>> sending in patches isn't too hard either...
>>
>> -1 on hosting the (sources for the) documentation outside the ASF.
>>
>> Uli
>>
>> On 26.12.2011 23:14, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
>>> I'd love to use something a bit more offline, like Jekyl
>>> (https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll) to generate the documentation.
>>>
>>> The only advantage to our current approach is that we have a half-way
>>> ground, where signers of the CLA can contribute documentation.
>>>
>>> What about if we maintain a public Git repo for the documentation, and
>>> only accept pull requests from people who have signed the CLA?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't know. My gut feeling is that it will take several months to
>> migrate
>>>> our content, something we should start thinking about in the coming
>> months
>>>> but not something to start doing quite yet. Remember, just because the
>>>> infrastructure guys say something will happen by a certain deadline
>> doesn't
>>>> mean it really will. A lot can change in a year.
>>>>
>>>> I'll admit I'm reluctant to move quickly to a new homegrown CMS system
>>>> designed from scratch by a system administrator, built on Perl, written
>> in
>>>> just 30 days and only in use a couple of months now. I'd rather let some
>>>> other projects work out the kinks.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Harner
>>>> On Dec 26, 2011 2:19 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> The comments on your defect seem too imply that we only have
>> confluence for
>>>>> a year. What happens after a year? How long is it going to take to
>> migrate?
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2011 6:43 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but I wouldn't be in a rush. Better to let other projects work
>> out
>>>>>> the bugs, and maybe they'll even come up with a migration path that we
>>>>> can
>>>>>> use. Right now we have a very nice system that works well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Harner
>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2011 6:58 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> It sounds like there needs to be an effort to get off confluence if
>> we
>>>>>>> really only have "a year max".
>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2011 8:18 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Howard (or anybody else with Confluence admin rights),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you paste the template in one more time? I've updated the
>>>>>>>> template in SVN again, with a work-around.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> /tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt
>>>>>>>> The Apache infrastructure guys marked as "invalid" the INFRA-4248
>>>>> JIRA
>>>>>>>> issue I filed (no surprise there), So now I've gone in another
>>>>>>>> direction, forcing IE into standards mode using the
>> "x-ua-compatible"
>>>>>>>> meta tag. (For the curious, see
>>>>>>>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the IE problem persists. The DOCTYPE declaration is
>>>>>>>>> still not being rendered as the first item in the HTML.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I checked several other Apache web sites -- Shiro, Directory,
>>>>> Camel,
>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ -- which also use the auto-export process, and they also
>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> render in Quirks mode in IE due to having the DOCTYPE in the wrong
>>>>>>>>> place, even though their auto-export templates
>>>>>>>>> (e.g.
>> http://shiro.apache.org/confluence-auto-export.data/shiroConfluenceAutoExportTemplate.vhtml.txt
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>> are correct. So I guess this problem is caused by the export plugin
>>>>>>>>> itself. Maybe the Apache infrastructure guys are forcing the
>>>>> license
>>>>>>>>> to the top for bureaucratic reasons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless somebody has another idea, I'll file a ticket with the
>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure team. I don't think they really want to support the
>>>>>>>>> auto-export plugin, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, we could change the site design to work well in
>>>>> Quirks
>>>>>>>>> mode. But I'd really rather not do that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Updated, export in progress.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that the export process is causing the DOCTYPE
>>>>>>>>>>> declaration to appear below the license comment block, despite
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> template having it the other way around. It turns out that not
>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration as the very first thing on the page
>>>>> causes
>>>>>> IE
>>>>>>>>>>> to remain in quirks mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I updated the file in SVN again, moving the velocity directives
>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration. Can you (or anyone) try pasting it into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> admin console again, making sure that <!DOCTYPE html> is the very
>>>>>>>>>>> first line in the resulting text? (Or if you want, give me the
>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>> admin rights to do so myself.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then I'll just publish a single page so we can see if it is right
>>>>>>>>>>> before exporting the whole site again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Bob Harner <bobharner@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the new DOCTYPE didn't seem to help, even though
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> tests showed that it would. My IE 8 is still rendering the page
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quirks mode. More investigation needed...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Export is in progress, now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
>>>>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Bob Harner <
>>>>>> bobharner@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For many many months now, our nice Confluence-generated
>>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has not looked right in IE, due to IE rendering in quirks
>>>>> mode.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple fix is to switch to a proper doctype, such as the
>>>>> HTML5
>>>>>>>> one, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the auto-export template. I have done that today and
>>>>> committed
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change, but somebody with Confluence admin rights (such as
>>>>> Uli)
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to paste the contents of the newly-committed template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> (/tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the admin screens as described at the bottom of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tapestry.apache.org/confluence-site-setup.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once that is done and the whole site re-exported, IE will
>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tapestry once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance to whoever takes care of this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>>>>> dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
>>>>> Contact
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
>>>>> Contact
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact
>>>>> me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: Confluence export template updated for HTML5, admin help needed
Posted by Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>.
Meanwhile, can somebody go ahead and paste the current template from svn
into the admin console? Thx
Bob Harner
On Jan 2, 2012 3:36 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" <ul...@spielviel.de> wrote:
> Apache CMS does exactly that. You keep markdown (default, other document
> processors like jekyll
> possible) sources in version control and it generates the website for you
> automatically and almost
> instantly upon checkin. The downside is that only people with Apache
> accounts can contribute. But
> sending in patches isn't too hard either...
>
> -1 on hosting the (sources for the) documentation outside the ASF.
>
> Uli
>
> On 26.12.2011 23:14, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> > I'd love to use something a bit more offline, like Jekyl
> > (https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll) to generate the documentation.
> >
> > The only advantage to our current approach is that we have a half-way
> > ground, where signers of the CLA can contribute documentation.
> >
> > What about if we maintain a public Git repo for the documentation, and
> > only accept pull requests from people who have signed the CLA?
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I don't know. My gut feeling is that it will take several months to
> migrate
> >> our content, something we should start thinking about in the coming
> months
> >> but not something to start doing quite yet. Remember, just because the
> >> infrastructure guys say something will happen by a certain deadline
> doesn't
> >> mean it really will. A lot can change in a year.
> >>
> >> I'll admit I'm reluctant to move quickly to a new homegrown CMS system
> >> designed from scratch by a system administrator, built on Perl, written
> in
> >> just 30 days and only in use a couple of months now. I'd rather let some
> >> other projects work out the kinks.
> >>
> >> Bob Harner
> >> On Dec 26, 2011 2:19 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The comments on your defect seem too imply that we only have
> confluence for
> >>> a year. What happens after a year? How long is it going to take to
> migrate?
> >>> On Dec 26, 2011 6:43 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yeah, but I wouldn't be in a rush. Better to let other projects work
> out
> >>>> the bugs, and maybe they'll even come up with a migration path that we
> >>> can
> >>>> use. Right now we have a very nice system that works well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob Harner
> >>>> On Dec 25, 2011 6:58 PM, "Josh Canfield" <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It sounds like there needs to be an effort to get off confluence if
> we
> >>>>> really only have "a year max".
> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2011 8:18 AM, "Bob Harner" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Howard (or anybody else with Confluence admin rights),
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can you paste the template in one more time? I've updated the
> >>>>>> template in SVN again, with a work-around.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> /tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt
> >>>>>> The Apache infrastructure guys marked as "invalid" the INFRA-4248
> >>> JIRA
> >>>>>> issue I filed (no surprise there), So now I've gone in another
> >>>>>> direction, forcing IE into standards mode using the
> "x-ua-compatible"
> >>>>>> meta tag. (For the curious, see
> >>>>>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks in advance!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, the IE problem persists. The DOCTYPE declaration is
> >>>>>>> still not being rendered as the first item in the HTML.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I checked several other Apache web sites -- Shiro, Directory,
> >>> Camel,
> >>>>>>> ActiveMQ -- which also use the auto-export process, and they also
> >>> all
> >>>>>>> render in Quirks mode in IE due to having the DOCTYPE in the wrong
> >>>>>>> place, even though their auto-export templates
> >>>>>>> (e.g.
> >>>
> http://shiro.apache.org/confluence-auto-export.data/shiroConfluenceAutoExportTemplate.vhtml.txt
> >>>>>> )
> >>>>>>> are correct. So I guess this problem is caused by the export plugin
> >>>>>>> itself. Maybe the Apache infrastructure guys are forcing the
> >>> license
> >>>>>>> to the top for bureaucratic reasons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Unless somebody has another idea, I'll file a ticket with the
> >>> Apache
> >>>>>>> Infrastructure team. I don't think they really want to support the
> >>>>>>> auto-export plugin, though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alternatively, we could change the site design to work well in
> >>> Quirks
> >>>>>>> mode. But I'd really rather not do that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <
> >>>> hlship@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Updated, export in progress.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Bob Harner <bo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> The problem is that the export process is causing the DOCTYPE
> >>>>>>>>> declaration to appear below the license comment block, despite
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> template having it the other way around. It turns out that not
> >>>> having
> >>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration as the very first thing on the page
> >>> causes
> >>>> IE
> >>>>>>>>> to remain in quirks mode.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I updated the file in SVN again, moving the velocity directives
> >>>> below
> >>>>>>>>> the DOCTYPE declaration. Can you (or anyone) try pasting it into
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> admin console again, making sure that <!DOCTYPE html> is the very
> >>>>>>>>> first line in the resulting text? (Or if you want, give me the
> >>> site
> >>>>>>>>> admin rights to do so myself.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Then I'll just publish a single page so we can see if it is right
> >>>>>>>>> before exporting the whole site again.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Bob Harner <bobharner@gmail.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the new DOCTYPE didn't seem to help, even though
> >>> my
> >>>>>>>>>> tests showed that it would. My IE 8 is still rendering the page
> >>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> Quirks mode. More investigation needed...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
> >>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Export is in progress, now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <
> >>>>> hlship@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Bob Harner <
> >>>> bobharner@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For many many months now, our nice Confluence-generated
> >>>>>> documentation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has not looked right in IE, due to IE rendering in quirks
> >>> mode.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> simple fix is to switch to a proper doctype, such as the
> >>> HTML5
> >>>>>> one, in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the auto-export template. I have done that today and
> >>> committed
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> change, but somebody with Confluence admin rights (such as
> >>> Uli)
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> need to paste the contents of the newly-committed template
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> (/tapestry/tapestry-site/branches/post-5.2-site/autoexport_template.txt)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> into the admin screens as described at the bottom of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tapestry.apache.org/confluence-site-setup.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Once that is done and the whole site re-exported, IE will
> >>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tapestry once again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance to whoever takes care of this!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tapestry.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> >>> dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
> >>> Contact
> >>>>> me
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support.
> >>> Contact
> >>>> me
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tapestry.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact
> >>> me
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (971) 678-5210
> >>>>>>>> http://howardlewisship.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >
> >
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