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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml
handling
> > >As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
> > > java/pojo's).
Sorry for chipping into this thread with an unrelated question, but wanted to know why you say that....
Is that because axis2 has less good features for pojo services?
I had read some articles early on when I was jumping into this, that didnt advocate for either approach.
Thanks,
Sathija.
> oops forgot the link:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-axis-user/200609.mbox/%3cbf414ee60609201345k5f9ea6eem842f42e036493d14@mail.gmail.com%3e
>
> -- dims
>
> On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> #1) Yes. Start with Schema first (i use XMLSPY to write xsd's). Then
>> follow instructions from Anne here to fill up the template WSDL.
>>
>> #2) Axis2 w/o a doubt.
>>
>> thanks,
>> dims
>>
>>
>> On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Davanum Srinivas for your response.
>> >
>> > OK, you advise to start from WSDL rather than java/pojo's.
>> >
>> > I got two questions:
>> >
>> > 1. But, does that mean we have to prepare a WSDL on our own first and then
>> > start off.
>> > Sorry, if this question is silly. I am new to this axis world.
>> >
>> > 2. I would have a big xml data with complicated schema. So using xmlbeans
>> > would work fine means, which one is stable to use xmlbeans AXIS1.4 or AXIS2.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Kiran kumar.
>> >
>> >
>> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If you have a complicated schema, you should use xmlbeans. If you are
>> > > willing to sacrifice a bit of schema support for better performance,
>> > > use ADB. As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
>> > > java/pojo's).
>> > >
>> > > thanks,
>> > > dims
>> > >
>> > > On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> Please suggest me with the following:
>> > >>
>> > >> Which xml java binding framework should i use or which one is stable to
>> > >> use.
>> > >> I have tried AXIOM sample, jibx both do not work.
>> > >> Only the samples given in axis2 works.
>> > >> if i try out something, they do not work.
>> > >>
>> > >> Please help me, to take up a robust framework to implement in my project.
>> > >>
>> > >> thanks
>> > >> kiran kumar.
>> > >> --
>> > >> View this message in context:
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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml handling
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com>.
I just looked at your WSDL and noticed a couple of things. Most of
your elements are defined as restricted strings of lengths 20, 50, or
100. If you want to be able to support validation of these element,
you could defining three simple types with these restrictions, then
define the elements as the appropriate type.
More more note: when using document style, your <soap:body> and
<soap12:body> definitions in the binding MUST NOT include the
namespace attribute. That attribute is used only with RPC style. They
should look like this:
<soap:body use="literal"/>
<soap12:body use="literal"/>
Anne
On 1/30/07, Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> XML Schema validation is a very expensive process; therefore it is
> never performed automatically. If you want to validate your messages,
> you must route your message through an intermediary or module to do
> so.
>
> If you don't intend to validate your messages, then I suggest you
> remove the restrictions and just use native types. If you define
> custom types for each element, wsdl2java must create a different Java
> type for each one.
>
> As a general good practice, I encourage you to always name your types
> (i.e., define a type as a direct child of the <schema> component, not
> as a child of an <element> component.)
>
> Anne
>
> On 1/30/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Anne.
> >
> > As Dims and you suggested, i was successful to write a wsdl, write a schema
> > into the wsdl, then perform wsdl2java, then edit the skeleton to put
> > businesslogic and finally i was able to call the service from a MS Excel
> > Client.
> >
> > Thanks for your help towards this.
> >
> > But, now i have a issue as follows:
> >
> > 1.
> >
> > I have included the schema definition for my elements in wsdl as follows:
> >
> > <xs:element name="CUSIP">
> > <xs:simpleType>
> > <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> > <xs:maxLength value="100"/>
> > </xs:restriction>
> > </xs:simpleType>
> > </xs:element>
> >
> >
> > Since im using the simpleType, wsdl2java ABD framework generates individual
> > java classes for each such element.
> > I have 190 + elements, so it creates 190+ java classes.
> >
> > I removed the simpletype for the above cusip and avoided restriction as
> > follows:
> >
> > <xs:element name="CUSIP" type="xs:string"/>
> >
> > Then i cannot see any class created by the wsdl2java for CUSIP. I could see
> > the get/set methods in the parent element class itself.
> >
> > So, my question is: How to avoid creating multiple classes for each element,
> > provided if i want to use restriction based validation?
> >
> > 2.
> >
> > Even though i had put restriction earlier and sent a CUSIP value > 100
> > characters there was no validation fired at the wsdl level. Why is this?
> >
> > Why is that the Schema validation present inside the wsdl not firing?
> > Am i doing something wrong anywhere in the implementation.
> >
> > I have attached the wsdl for reference (located at the end of this thread).
> >
> > Your help towards this would be much appreciable.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kiran Kumar. http://www.nabble.com/file/6119/SecurityRequestV2.wsdl
> > SecurityRequestV2.wsdl
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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml handling
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com>.
XML Schema validation is a very expensive process; therefore it is
never performed automatically. If you want to validate your messages,
you must route your message through an intermediary or module to do
so.
If you don't intend to validate your messages, then I suggest you
remove the restrictions and just use native types. If you define
custom types for each element, wsdl2java must create a different Java
type for each one.
As a general good practice, I encourage you to always name your types
(i.e., define a type as a direct child of the <schema> component, not
as a child of an <element> component.)
Anne
On 1/30/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Anne.
>
> As Dims and you suggested, i was successful to write a wsdl, write a schema
> into the wsdl, then perform wsdl2java, then edit the skeleton to put
> businesslogic and finally i was able to call the service from a MS Excel
> Client.
>
> Thanks for your help towards this.
>
> But, now i have a issue as follows:
>
> 1.
>
> I have included the schema definition for my elements in wsdl as follows:
>
> <xs:element name="CUSIP">
> <xs:simpleType>
> <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
> <xs:maxLength value="100"/>
> </xs:restriction>
> </xs:simpleType>
> </xs:element>
>
>
> Since im using the simpleType, wsdl2java ABD framework generates individual
> java classes for each such element.
> I have 190 + elements, so it creates 190+ java classes.
>
> I removed the simpletype for the above cusip and avoided restriction as
> follows:
>
> <xs:element name="CUSIP" type="xs:string"/>
>
> Then i cannot see any class created by the wsdl2java for CUSIP. I could see
> the get/set methods in the parent element class itself.
>
> So, my question is: How to avoid creating multiple classes for each element,
> provided if i want to use restriction based validation?
>
> 2.
>
> Even though i had put restriction earlier and sent a CUSIP value > 100
> characters there was no validation fired at the wsdl level. Why is this?
>
> Why is that the Schema validation present inside the wsdl not firing?
> Am i doing something wrong anywhere in the implementation.
>
> I have attached the wsdl for reference (located at the end of this thread).
>
> Your help towards this would be much appreciable.
>
> Thanks,
> Kiran Kumar. http://www.nabble.com/file/6119/SecurityRequestV2.wsdl
> SecurityRequestV2.wsdl
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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml
handling
Posted by mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com>.
Thanks Anne.
As Dims and you suggested, i was successful to write a wsdl, write a schema
into the wsdl, then perform wsdl2java, then edit the skeleton to put
businesslogic and finally i was able to call the service from a MS Excel
Client.
Thanks for your help towards this.
But, now i have a issue as follows:
1.
I have included the schema definition for my elements in wsdl as follows:
<xs:element name="CUSIP">
<xs:simpleType>
<xs:restriction base="xs:string">
<xs:maxLength value="100"/>
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>
Since im using the simpleType, wsdl2java ABD framework generates individual
java classes for each such element.
I have 190 + elements, so it creates 190+ java classes.
I removed the simpletype for the above cusip and avoided restriction as
follows:
<xs:element name="CUSIP" type="xs:string"/>
Then i cannot see any class created by the wsdl2java for CUSIP. I could see
the get/set methods in the parent element class itself.
So, my question is: How to avoid creating multiple classes for each element,
provided if i want to use restriction based validation?
2.
Even though i had put restriction earlier and sent a CUSIP value > 100
characters there was no validation fired at the wsdl level. Why is this?
Why is that the Schema validation present inside the wsdl not firing?
Am i doing something wrong anywhere in the implementation.
I have attached the wsdl for reference (located at the end of this thread).
Your help towards this would be much appreciable.
Thanks,
Kiran Kumar. http://www.nabble.com/file/6119/SecurityRequestV2.wsdl
SecurityRequestV2.wsdl
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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml handling
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com>.
yes, you can.
On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> Thanks for your expert advice.
>
> Will follow the same, first design a schema then wsdl.
>
> Then generate the ADB binding classes using wsdl2java tool.
>
> I am working on it and now i got one question:
>
> Instead of importing the XSD into the wsdl, i can even write the schema
> definition into the <xs:schema> of wsdl right?
>
> Thanks,
> Kiran Kumar.
>
>
> Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
> >
> > I heartily concur with Dims. If you plan to use the same framework on
> > both client and server, then you will probably get by very well by
> > following the code-first approach. But if you will ever have the need
> > to interoperate with other frameworks, you'll do much better adopting
> > a Schema-first approach. Also keep in mind that the code-first
> > approach should be used only for application integration. It is not an
> > appropriate means to achieve SOA.
> >
> > SOA is all about reuse. And it involve reuse not just of application
> > functionality, but also of data structures. The fundamental unit of
> > reuse is the XML types that your applications and services share.
> >
> > If you use the code-first approach, then you will generate a different
> > set of XML types for every service. If you have two services that work
> > with customer data, you will generate two incompatible customer types.
> > That is absolutely what you don't want to do. Your organization should
> > define a set of common shared types that represent your core
> > information structures, and your service interfaces should share these
> > structures. You should not generate these structures from code.
> >
> > Anne
> >
> > On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That's the best practice i recommend from experience. Advice not
> >> related to whether you use Axis2 or not.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> dims
> >>
> >> On 1/29/07, Sathija Pavuluri <sp...@emprisanetworks.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
> >> > > > > java/pojo's).
> >> >
> >> > Sorry for chipping into this thread with an unrelated question, but
> >> wanted to know why you say that....
> >> > Is that because axis2 has less good features for pojo services?
> >> > I had read some articles early on when I was jumping into this, that
> >> didnt advocate for either approach.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Sathija.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > oops forgot the link:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-axis-user/200609.mbox/%3cbf414ee60609201345k5f9ea6eem842f42e036493d14@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >> > >
> >> > > -- dims
> >> > >
> >> > > On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> #1) Yes. Start with Schema first (i use XMLSPY to write xsd's). Then
> >> > >> follow instructions from Anne here to fill up the template WSDL.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> #2) Axis2 w/o a doubt.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> thanks,
> >> > >> dims
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks Davanum Srinivas for your response.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > OK, you advise to start from WSDL rather than java/pojo's.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I got two questions:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > 1. But, does that mean we have to prepare a WSDL on our own first
> >> and then
> >> > >> > start off.
> >> > >> > Sorry, if this question is silly. I am new to this axis world.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > 2. I would have a big xml data with complicated schema. So using
> >> xmlbeans
> >> > >> > would work fine means, which one is stable to use xmlbeans AXIS1.4
> >> or AXIS2.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >> > >> > Kiran kumar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > If you have a complicated schema, you should use xmlbeans. If
> >> you are
> >> > >> > > willing to sacrifice a bit of schema support for better
> >> performance,
> >> > >> > > use ADB. As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
> >> > >> > > java/pojo's).
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > thanks,
> >> > >> > > dims
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> Hi,
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> Please suggest me with the following:
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> Which xml java binding framework should i use or which one is
> >> stable to
> >> > >> > >> use.
> >> > >> > >> I have tried AXIOM sample, jibx both do not work.
> >> > >> > >> Only the samples given in axis2 works.
> >> > >> > >> if i try out something, they do not work.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> Please help me, to take up a robust framework to implement in
> >> my project.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> thanks
> >> > >> > >> kiran kumar.
> >> > >> > >> --
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> >> > >> > >>
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> >> Developers
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> >> Developers
> >> > >>
> >> > >
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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml
handling
Posted by mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com>.
Hi Anne,
Thanks for your expert advice.
Will follow the same, first design a schema then wsdl.
Then generate the ADB binding classes using wsdl2java tool.
I am working on it and now i got one question:
Instead of importing the XSD into the wsdl, i can even write the schema
definition into the <xs:schema> of wsdl right?
Thanks,
Kiran Kumar.
Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>
> I heartily concur with Dims. If you plan to use the same framework on
> both client and server, then you will probably get by very well by
> following the code-first approach. But if you will ever have the need
> to interoperate with other frameworks, you'll do much better adopting
> a Schema-first approach. Also keep in mind that the code-first
> approach should be used only for application integration. It is not an
> appropriate means to achieve SOA.
>
> SOA is all about reuse. And it involve reuse not just of application
> functionality, but also of data structures. The fundamental unit of
> reuse is the XML types that your applications and services share.
>
> If you use the code-first approach, then you will generate a different
> set of XML types for every service. If you have two services that work
> with customer data, you will generate two incompatible customer types.
> That is absolutely what you don't want to do. Your organization should
> define a set of common shared types that represent your core
> information structures, and your service interfaces should share these
> structures. You should not generate these structures from code.
>
> Anne
>
> On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's the best practice i recommend from experience. Advice not
>> related to whether you use Axis2 or not.
>>
>> thanks,
>> dims
>>
>> On 1/29/07, Sathija Pavuluri <sp...@emprisanetworks.com> wrote:
>> > > > >As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
>> > > > > java/pojo's).
>> >
>> > Sorry for chipping into this thread with an unrelated question, but
>> wanted to know why you say that....
>> > Is that because axis2 has less good features for pojo services?
>> > I had read some articles early on when I was jumping into this, that
>> didnt advocate for either approach.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sathija.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > oops forgot the link:
>> > >
>> > >
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-axis-user/200609.mbox/%3cbf414ee60609201345k5f9ea6eem842f42e036493d14@mail.gmail.com%3e
>> > >
>> > > -- dims
>> > >
>> > > On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> #1) Yes. Start with Schema first (i use XMLSPY to write xsd's). Then
>> > >> follow instructions from Anne here to fill up the template WSDL.
>> > >>
>> > >> #2) Axis2 w/o a doubt.
>> > >>
>> > >> thanks,
>> > >> dims
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks Davanum Srinivas for your response.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > OK, you advise to start from WSDL rather than java/pojo's.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I got two questions:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 1. But, does that mean we have to prepare a WSDL on our own first
>> and then
>> > >> > start off.
>> > >> > Sorry, if this question is silly. I am new to this axis world.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2. I would have a big xml data with complicated schema. So using
>> xmlbeans
>> > >> > would work fine means, which one is stable to use xmlbeans AXIS1.4
>> or AXIS2.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks,
>> > >> > Kiran kumar.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > If you have a complicated schema, you should use xmlbeans. If
>> you are
>> > >> > > willing to sacrifice a bit of schema support for better
>> performance,
>> > >> > > use ADB. As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
>> > >> > > java/pojo's).
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > thanks,
>> > >> > > dims
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Hi,
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Please suggest me with the following:
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Which xml java binding framework should i use or which one is
>> stable to
>> > >> > >> use.
>> > >> > >> I have tried AXIOM sample, jibx both do not work.
>> > >> > >> Only the samples given in axis2 works.
>> > >> > >> if i try out something, they do not work.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> Please help me, to take up a robust framework to implement in
>> my project.
>> > >> > >>
>> > >> > >> thanks
>> > >> > >> kiran kumar.
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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml handling
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com>.
I heartily concur with Dims. If you plan to use the same framework on
both client and server, then you will probably get by very well by
following the code-first approach. But if you will ever have the need
to interoperate with other frameworks, you'll do much better adopting
a Schema-first approach. Also keep in mind that the code-first
approach should be used only for application integration. It is not an
appropriate means to achieve SOA.
SOA is all about reuse. And it involve reuse not just of application
functionality, but also of data structures. The fundamental unit of
reuse is the XML types that your applications and services share.
If you use the code-first approach, then you will generate a different
set of XML types for every service. If you have two services that work
with customer data, you will generate two incompatible customer types.
That is absolutely what you don't want to do. Your organization should
define a set of common shared types that represent your core
information structures, and your service interfaces should share these
structures. You should not generate these structures from code.
Anne
On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's the best practice i recommend from experience. Advice not
> related to whether you use Axis2 or not.
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> On 1/29/07, Sathija Pavuluri <sp...@emprisanetworks.com> wrote:
> > > > >As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
> > > > > java/pojo's).
> >
> > Sorry for chipping into this thread with an unrelated question, but wanted to know why you say that....
> > Is that because axis2 has less good features for pojo services?
> > I had read some articles early on when I was jumping into this, that didnt advocate for either approach.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sathija.
> >
> >
> >
> > > oops forgot the link:
> > >
> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-axis-user/200609.mbox/%3cbf414ee60609201345k5f9ea6eem842f42e036493d14@mail.gmail.com%3e
> > >
> > > -- dims
> > >
> > > On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> #1) Yes. Start with Schema first (i use XMLSPY to write xsd's). Then
> > >> follow instructions from Anne here to fill up the template WSDL.
> > >>
> > >> #2) Axis2 w/o a doubt.
> > >>
> > >> thanks,
> > >> dims
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks Davanum Srinivas for your response.
> > >> >
> > >> > OK, you advise to start from WSDL rather than java/pojo's.
> > >> >
> > >> > I got two questions:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. But, does that mean we have to prepare a WSDL on our own first and then
> > >> > start off.
> > >> > Sorry, if this question is silly. I am new to this axis world.
> > >> >
> > >> > 2. I would have a big xml data with complicated schema. So using xmlbeans
> > >> > would work fine means, which one is stable to use xmlbeans AXIS1.4 or AXIS2.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Kiran kumar.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you have a complicated schema, you should use xmlbeans. If you are
> > >> > > willing to sacrifice a bit of schema support for better performance,
> > >> > > use ADB. As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
> > >> > > java/pojo's).
> > >> > >
> > >> > > thanks,
> > >> > > dims
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Hi,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Please suggest me with the following:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Which xml java binding framework should i use or which one is stable to
> > >> > >> use.
> > >> > >> I have tried AXIOM sample, jibx both do not work.
> > >> > >> Only the samples given in axis2 works.
> > >> > >> if i try out something, they do not work.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Please help me, to take up a robust framework to implement in my project.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> thanks
> > >> > >> kiran kumar.
> > >> > >> --
> > >> > >> View this message in context:
> > >> > >> http://www.nabble.com/-AXIS2--Which-binding-framework-should-i-use-for-complex-xml-handling-tf3137320.html#a8694267
> > >> > >> Sent from the Axis - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: [AXIS2] Which binding framework should i use for complex xml handling
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
That's the best practice i recommend from experience. Advice not
related to whether you use Axis2 or not.
thanks,
dims
On 1/29/07, Sathija Pavuluri <sp...@emprisanetworks.com> wrote:
> > > >As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
> > > > java/pojo's).
>
> Sorry for chipping into this thread with an unrelated question, but wanted to know why you say that....
> Is that because axis2 has less good features for pojo services?
> I had read some articles early on when I was jumping into this, that didnt advocate for either approach.
>
> Thanks,
> Sathija.
>
>
>
> > oops forgot the link:
> >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-axis-user/200609.mbox/%3cbf414ee60609201345k5f9ea6eem842f42e036493d14@mail.gmail.com%3e
> >
> > -- dims
> >
> > On 1/29/07, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> #1) Yes. Start with Schema first (i use XMLSPY to write xsd's). Then
> >> follow instructions from Anne here to fill up the template WSDL.
> >>
> >> #2) Axis2 w/o a doubt.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> dims
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Davanum Srinivas for your response.
> >> >
> >> > OK, you advise to start from WSDL rather than java/pojo's.
> >> >
> >> > I got two questions:
> >> >
> >> > 1. But, does that mean we have to prepare a WSDL on our own first and then
> >> > start off.
> >> > Sorry, if this question is silly. I am new to this axis world.
> >> >
> >> > 2. I would have a big xml data with complicated schema. So using xmlbeans
> >> > would work fine means, which one is stable to use xmlbeans AXIS1.4 or AXIS2.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Kiran kumar.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > If you have a complicated schema, you should use xmlbeans. If you are
> >> > > willing to sacrifice a bit of schema support for better performance,
> >> > > use ADB. As i mention usually, start from WSDL/Schema. (NOT from
> >> > > java/pojo's).
> >> > >
> >> > > thanks,
> >> > > dims
> >> > >
> >> > > On 1/29/07, mvkirankumar <ki...@db.com> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Please suggest me with the following:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Which xml java binding framework should i use or which one is stable to
> >> > >> use.
> >> > >> I have tried AXIOM sample, jibx both do not work.
> >> > >> Only the samples given in axis2 works.
> >> > >> if i try out something, they do not work.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Please help me, to take up a robust framework to implement in my project.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> thanks
> >> > >> kiran kumar.
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> View this message in context:
> >> > >> http://www.nabble.com/-AXIS2--Which-binding-framework-should-i-use-for-complex-xml-handling-tf3137320.html#a8694267
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