Wizard for Views

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

I am currently trying to finish up the editor for the site.xml and 
tabs.xml files. It is currently functional and the only things missing 
are drag and drop support from the Eclipse navigation window and the 
ability to edit the properties through the Eclipse properties view.

I was thinking that I would get some feedback on the wizard for the 
Views and contracts. I am new to it so I am trying to understand how it 
works. I would like to know how you all would see a wizard working ie 
what functionality would you like to see in a wizard ?

Regards,
Anil.

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> 
>>
>> That's your call. I've not looked at Lepido in detail so can't really 
>> advise other than to say we should consider the Lepido solution (note 
>> that if we leverage the Lepido plugin we get all their other editors 
>> for free as well). There's still plenty to finish off in the site.xml 
>> and tabs.xml editors so we can afford to wait for a short while.
>>
>> I'm hoping to look at Lepido at the tail end of this week so maybe we 
>> can revisit this then, but first I want to provide some feedback on 
>> the current editors.
>>
>> Ross
>>
> I got a reply on the dev mailing list and they say that they are waiting 
> for the next version of the WTP milestones to come out which should be 
> on Friday (29th).

Cool, we'll wait till then in the meantime we may as well move on to the 
next requirement. (by the way, things are progressing very well, this is 
great work and it is great to see you becoming involved in the community 
more)

> They were also intersted in the plugin as they were saying that the may 
> consider having sub-projects in Lepido for Cocoon-related projects. I 
> was not quite sure how to reply to that.

I'm part of the "interested parties" listed in the original proposal for 
the Lepdio project (as a result of the Burrokeet project which is 
Eclipse based). I met with Sylvain (from Lepdio) at ApacheCon I'll jump 
in on the thread on the Lepido list.

My current thinking is that the plugin should stay here, but link with 
Lepido. We can revisit when Forrest and the plugin is stable, unless 
Lepido come up with a good reason to do otherwise.

Ross

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:

>
> That's your call. I've not looked at Lepido in detail so can't really 
> advise other than to say we should consider the Lepido solution (note 
> that if we leverage the Lepido plugin we get all their other editors 
> for free as well). There's still plenty to finish off in the site.xml 
> and tabs.xml editors so we can afford to wait for a short while.
>
> I'm hoping to look at Lepido at the tail end of this week so maybe we 
> can revisit this then, but first I want to provide some feedback on 
> the current editors.
>
> Ross
>
I got a reply on the dev mailing list and they say that they are waiting 
for the next version of the WTP milestones to come out which should be 
on Friday (29th).

They were also intersted in the plugin as they were saying that the may 
consider having sub-projects in Lepido for Cocoon-related projects. I 
was not quite sure how to reply to that.

Anil.

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:

>> Yeah, a forms editor is probably more appropriate. Locationmap is 
>> pretty simple right now but it will get more complex as it progresses. 
>> However, I'd definetely consider the Lepido approach since they have a 
>> cool little editor generator that works a treat with the sitemap.xmap 
>> files. The problem with the Eclipse approach is that everything is 
>> coded in Java.
> 
> 
> Should go ahead with exploring a Form editor for the locationmap or wait 
> until we get word from Lepido about their release ?

That's your call. I've not looked at Lepido in detail so can't really 
advise other than to say we should consider the Lepido solution (note 
that if we leverage the Lepido plugin we get all their other editors for 
free as well). There's still plenty to finish off in the site.xml and 
tabs.xml editors so we can afford to wait for a short while.

I'm hoping to look at Lepido at the tail end of this week so maybe we 
can revisit this then, but first I want to provide some feedback on the 
current editors.

Ross

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:

> I looked at an early version of it (pre 3.1). I talked to Sylvain at 
> Apachecon, he is expecting to make a release very soon.
>
> Both the plugins you mention are from the Web Tools Project. I think 
> that Lepido is currently being updated to work with the latest WTP 
> milestone release. Perhaps there is a change in the packaging?

I am currently using 1.0 M4 so I will try upgrading to a new version.

>
> Perhaps a mail to the dev list asking when a release is planned will 
> help us plan the way forward.

I already sent a mail to dev list.

>
> Yeah, a forms editor is probably more appropriate. Locationmap is 
> pretty simple right now but it will get more complex as it progresses. 
> However, I'd definetely consider the Lepido approach since they have a 
> cool little editor generator that works a treat with the sitemap.xmap 
> files. The problem with the Eclipse approach is that everything is 
> coded in Java.

Should go ahead with exploring a Form editor for the locationmap or wait 
until we get word from Lepido about their release ?

Anil.

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> 
>>
>> Does it make sense for it to be a tree view? I ask because it is not 
>> really a tree structure like site or tabs.
>>
>> Perhaps we should look at the Lepido project 
>> http://www.eclipse.org/lepido/ that includes sitemap editors and the 
>> like, perhaps we can leverage the code in that project.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>>
> Have you looked at the Lepido project. I am curretnly trying to get it 
> to work but I seem to be missing some plugins org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui and 
> org.eclipse.wst.xml.ui

I looked at an early version of it (pre 3.1). I talked to Sylvain at 
Apachecon, he is expecting to make a release very soon.

Both the plugins you mention are from the Web Tools Project. I think 
that Lepido is currently being updated to work with the latest WTP 
milestone release. Perhaps there is a change in the packaging?

Perhaps a mail to the dev list asking when a release is planned will 
help us plan the way forward.

> Perhaps not a tree view but maybe a form editor like the one used for 
> Eclipse's plugin.xml files. The locationmap does not seem to be a very 
> complex structure so perhaps something like that would work.

Yeah, a forms editor is probably more appropriate. Locationmap is pretty 
simple right now but it will get more complex as it progresses. However, 
I'd definetely consider the Lepido approach since they have a cool 
little editor generator that works a treat with the sitemap.xmap files. 
The problem with the Eclipse approach is that everything is coded in Java.

Ross

Re: locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:

>
> Does it make sense for it to be a tree view? I ask because it is not 
> really a tree structure like site or tabs.
>
> Perhaps we should look at the Lepido project 
> http://www.eclipse.org/lepido/ that includes sitemap editors and the 
> like, perhaps we can leverage the code in that project.
>
> Ross
>
>
Have you looked at the Lepido project. I am curretnly trying to get it 
to work but I seem to be missing some plugins org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui and 
org.eclipse.wst.xml.ui

Perhaps not a tree view but maybe a form editor like the one used for 
Eclipse's plugin.xml files. The locationmap does not seem to be a very 
complex structure so perhaps something like that would work.

Anil.

locationmap editor (was Re: Wizard for Views)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Anil Ramnanan wrote:
> rgardler_apache@saafe.org wrote:
> 
>> I don't know, vou will have to tell us as we have not yet thought about
>> this. To get some background on the locationmap see
>> http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/locationmap.html
>>
>> You can see a loctionmap in action if you seed a fresh site with the
>> current SVN head.
>>
>> There are two phases to this part of the eclipse plugin, the loctionmap
>> eclipse view (not to be confused with a forrest view - we need to think
>> about these names) and the repository browser. I#m not proposing we do 
>> the
>> repository browser now, only the locationmap eclipse view.
>>
>> Let us know what you think will be the best way to implement it.

...

> Well, I am thinking that it can use the same kind of tree view as the 
> site.xml editor.  Then I can add a wizard to add the match and location 
> elements.

Does it make sense for it to be a tree view? I ask because it is not 
really a tree structure like site or tabs.

Perhaps we should look at the Lepido project 
http://www.eclipse.org/lepido/ that includes sitemap editors and the 
like, perhaps we can leverage the code in that project.

Ross

Re: Wizard for Views

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

rgardler_apache@saafe.org wrote:

>I don't know, vou will have to tell us as we have not yet thought about
>this. To get some background on the locationmap see
>http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/locationmap.html
>
>You can see a loctionmap in action if you seed a fresh site with the
>current SVN head.
>
>There are two phases to this part of the eclipse plugin, the loctionmap
>eclipse view (not to be confused with a forrest view - we need to think
>about these names) and the repository browser. I#m not proposing we do the
>repository browser now, only the locationmap eclipse view.
>
>Let us know what you think will be the best way to implement it.
>
>Ross
>
>  
>
Well, I am thinking that it can use the same kind of tree view as the 
site.xml editor.  Then I can add a wizard to add the match and location 
elements.

Anil.

Re: Wizard for Views

[rg...@saafe.org]

> Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>> We've been discussing Views, Locationmap and I18n further and would
>> like to ask Anil if it is possible to implement the locationmap editor
>> before the Views editor.

...

> The locationmap editor would be implemented in a similar way to the
> site.xml and tabs.xml editor ?

I don't know, vou will have to tell us as we have not yet thought about
this. To get some background on the locationmap see
http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/locationmap.html

You can see a loctionmap in action if you seed a fresh site with the
current SVN head.

There are two phases to this part of the eclipse plugin, the loctionmap
eclipse view (not to be confused with a forrest view - we need to think
about these names) and the repository browser. I#m not proposing we do the
repository browser now, only the locationmap eclipse view.

Let us know what you think will be the best way to implement it.

Ross

Re: Wizard for Views

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:

> We've been discussing Views, Locationmap and I18n further and would 
> like to ask Anil if it is possible to implement the locationmap editor 
> before the Views editor. The reasoning is:
>
> - we are still to agree some issues regarding the structure of the 
> views config file and terminology used within it, so there may be some 
> changes needed to the editor
>
> - the locationmap structure is using a syntax based on sitemap which 
> is very stable now. Therefore it is unlikely to change.
>
> - Cheche and I were discussing a more robust method of I18n, this will 
> utilise the locationmap (a proposal will be posted soon). Since many 
> of the potential users we have met here at ApacheCon consider I18N 
> important we would like to be able to show development in this area 
> quickly.
>
> This will allow us to discuss the views issues and the design of the 
> editor with Anil before embarking on implementation (the delay should 
> only be short).
>
> Is this OK?
>
> Ross
>
The locationmap editor would be implemented in a similar way to the 
site.xml and tabs.xml editor ?

Anil.

Re: Wizard for Views

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 11:58 -0400, Anil Ramnanan wrote: 
> 
>>I am currently trying to finish up the editor for the site.xml and 
>>tabs.xml files. It is currently functional and the only things missing 
>>are drag and drop support from the Eclipse navigation window and the 
>>ability to edit the properties through the Eclipse properties view.
>>
>>I was thinking that I would get some feedback on the wizard for the 
>>Views and contracts. I am new to it so I am trying to understand how it 
>>works. I would like to know how you all would see a wizard working ie 
>>what functionality would you like to see in a wizard ?
>>
> 
> 
> Hi Anil,
> 
> I talked about the wizard with Ross on the conference. I try to
> summarize what we came up with (please ask question if you do not
> understand what I mean).

We've been discussing Views, Locationmap and I18n further and would like 
to ask Anil if it is possible to implement the locationmap editor before 
the Views editor. The reasoning is:

- we are still to agree some issues regarding the structure of the views 
config file and terminology used within it, so there may be some changes 
needed to the editor

- the locationmap structure is using a syntax based on sitemap which is 
very stable now. Therefore it is unlikely to change.

- Cheche and I were discussing a more robust method of I18n, this will 
utilise the locationmap (a proposal will be posted soon). Since many of 
the potential users we have met here at ApacheCon consider I18N 
important we would like to be able to show development in this area quickly.

This will allow us to discuss the views issues and the design of the 
editor with Anil before embarking on implementation (the delay should 
only be short).

Is this OK?

Ross

Re: Wizard for Views

[Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>]

On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 11:58 -0400, Anil Ramnanan wrote: 
> I am currently trying to finish up the editor for the site.xml and 
> tabs.xml files. It is currently functional and the only things missing 
> are drag and drop support from the Eclipse navigation window and the 
> ability to edit the properties through the Eclipse properties view.
> 
> I was thinking that I would get some feedback on the wizard for the 
> Views and contracts. I am new to it so I am trying to understand how it 
> works. I would like to know how you all would see a wizard working ie 
> what functionality would you like to see in a wizard ?
> 

Hi Anil,

I talked about the wizard with Ross on the conference. I try to
summarize what we came up with (please ask question if you do not
understand what I mean).

Preparation:
First you would activate forrest:views in your project to follow my
examples. Actually when you do a forrest seed on actual head then you
need to uncomment the properties for views (project.skin and plugins).
More information on views you can find in the howTo's around them
online.
http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/howto/howto-view-install.html

Now start forrest and point your browser to
http://localhost:8888/ls.contracts.html. This page will bring up all
contracts that we currently have in our contract repository and which
can be used in the view.  

The idea is firstly to create a wizard for forrest:view (*.fv).
http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/howto/howto-view-dsl.html

eclipse:
We thought the first eclipse view should contain a tree view of all
possible view contracts
(http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/howto/howto-view-install.html#availableContracts). When selecting one contract from the tree, the contract will be added to the forrest:view (e.g. default.fv)

You can use the <usage/> of each selected contract. 
http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/howto/howto-view-contracts.html#newContract
to adding the contract to the view.

Another eclipse view would be the nodes of the view file (e.g.
default.fv). Here we have just the following tag:
-forrest:hook
-forrest:css
-forrest:contract

This are just some basic instruction, please ask any question that may
raise here.

Thanks

salu2
> Anil.
> 
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Wizard for Views

[Anil Ramnanan <li...@peppersauce.org>]

Thorsten Scherler wrote:

>
>I will have a look on that with Ross tonight or tomorrow and will report
>back soon.
>
>Salu2
>
>  
>
Thanks. While you are looking at it I will try to finish up the site.xml 
and tabs.xml editor. I also began some work on the forrest.properties 
editor.

Regards,
Anil

Re: Wizard for Views

[Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>]

On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 11:58 -0400, Anil Ramnanan wrote:
> I am currently trying to finish up the editor for the site.xml and 
> tabs.xml files. It is currently functional and the only things missing 
> are drag and drop support from the Eclipse navigation window and the 
> ability to edit the properties through the Eclipse properties view.
> 
> I was thinking that I would get some feedback on the wizard for the 
> Views and contracts. I am new to it so I am trying to understand how it 
> works. I would like to know how you all would see a wizard working ie 
> what functionality would you like to see in a wizard ?
> 

I will have a look on that with Ross tonight or tomorrow and will report
back soon.

Salu2

> Regards,
> Anil.
> 
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)