Re: Python Donation

[mike james <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.INVALID>]

On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:04 PM Peter Blemel <pb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> For what it's worth, I use NetBeans 8.2 for C/C++ development out of
> habit, sometimes daily, but have installed the 8.2 C/C++ module into NB12
> with success. It is my go-to C/C++ IDE; however, I don't need all the
> latest language features.  I've used Eclipse and other free IDE's, but
> NetBeans is (was) hands-down the best IDE to support many tool chains and
> project configurations. I build or cross-compile for Linux x86 and x64,
> Linux ARM 32 & 64 bit, Cygwin, QNX and do remote debugging.  I have never
> liked cmake, but while I'm not crazy about all of the Makefiles that
> NetBeans creates it's pretty amazing on the whole. I'll use it for as long
> as I can.
>
> A colleague has been doing the same but a few weeks ago reported that 8.2
was getting too difficult to work with.
(I forget what the final straw was but I could ask.) So I'm now moving them
onto VS Code and they are not happy.
I also work with Harry Fairhead on his C books for the Raspberry Pi and
Pico and he used
to include how to set up and use NetBeans but the current editions use VS
Code - he isn't happy either and would
really like to go back to NetBeans in the next edition.
mikej



>  Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 7:33 AM
> Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Python Donation
>
> And you are not the only one James. NetBeans used to indeed have the best
> C/C++ support.
>
> But I know many other, really big fans of NetBeans, that have moved to
> JetBrains Idea because NetBeans doesn't anymore support Scala, or Python,
> or Ruby, or Go you name it.
>
> I will create another thread, to invite people who would like to help
> supporting other programming languages for NetBeans and organise on how to
> do that.
>
> John.
>
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 16:12, mike james
> <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> > As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire exchange
> is
> > sad.
> > NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
> > other languages
> > was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
> > Studio Code (yuk)
> > simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
> > always
> > first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because of
> > lack of support.
> >
> > I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't
> waste
> > my time trying
> > to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
> > NetBeans structure.
> > mikej
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hallo all,
> > >
> > > NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find it
> > very
> > > sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it
> > because
> > > it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
> > >
> > > This wiki page
> > > <
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> > > lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past. It
> > is
> > > true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> > > versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How
> do
> > we
> > > integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
> > >
> > > The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands the
> > > code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> > > NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
> > >
> > > I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning
> other
> > > programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself, sooner
> > than
> > > expected.
> > >
> > > Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
> > >
> > > Kind regards and happy New Year,
> > >
> > > John.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <
> > mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Eric,
> > > >
> > > > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > > > So then what’s next?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that work
> on
> > > > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation
> > happens
> > > > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ),
> the
> > > > > mirrored hg code
> > > > > http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a
> ,
> > > the
> > > > > mavenized version
> > > > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > > > ?  Or something else?
> > > > >
> > > > > My branch
> > > > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > > >
> > > > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a cluster,
> > > > updated
> > > > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once
> the
> > > > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the status).
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that what is meant?
> > > >
> > > > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I
> don't
> > > > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows
> into
> > > > NetBeans.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said
> that
> > > > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > > > implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some
> other
> > > > Python
> > > > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change?  Or was this
> > > intended
> > > > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that he
> > > > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > > > knowledge about this.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Python Donation

[Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>]

The good news is, both you and your colleague and Harry Fairhead are all
programmers. So, you can work with each other and Antonio (who has a great
proposal on this list) and others and (re)introduce any feature you want to
Apache NetBeans.

Gj

On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 11:26 AM mike james
<mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 10:04 PM Peter Blemel <pb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > For what it's worth, I use NetBeans 8.2 for C/C++ development out of
> > habit, sometimes daily, but have installed the 8.2 C/C++ module into NB12
> > with success. It is my go-to C/C++ IDE; however, I don't need all the
> > latest language features.  I've used Eclipse and other free IDE's, but
> > NetBeans is (was) hands-down the best IDE to support many tool chains and
> > project configurations. I build or cross-compile for Linux x86 and x64,
> > Linux ARM 32 & 64 bit, Cygwin, QNX and do remote debugging.  I have never
> > liked cmake, but while I'm not crazy about all of the Makefiles that
> > NetBeans creates it's pretty amazing on the whole. I'll use it for as
> long
> > as I can.
> >
> > A colleague has been doing the same but a few weeks ago reported that 8.2
> was getting too difficult to work with.
> (I forget what the final straw was but I could ask.) So I'm now moving them
> onto VS Code and they are not happy.
> I also work with Harry Fairhead on his C books for the Raspberry Pi and
> Pico and he used
> to include how to set up and use NetBeans but the current editions use VS
> Code - he isn't happy either and would
> really like to go back to NetBeans in the next edition.
> mikej
>
>
>
> >  Peter
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 7:33 AM
> > Cc: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Python Donation
> >
> > And you are not the only one James. NetBeans used to indeed have the best
> > C/C++ support.
> >
> > But I know many other, really big fans of NetBeans, that have moved to
> > JetBrains Idea because NetBeans doesn't anymore support Scala, or Python,
> > or Ruby, or Go you name it.
> >
> > I will create another thread, to invite people who would like to help
> > supporting other programming languages for NetBeans and organise on how
> to
> > do that.
> >
> > John.
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 16:12, mike james
> > <mi...@infomaxgroup.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > As a user who has contemplated trying to help out - this entire
> exchange
> > is
> > > sad.
> > > NetBeans was only recently by far the best C/C+ IDE and its support of
> > > other languages
> > > was a big plus point for using it. I now have had to retreat to Visual
> > > Studio Code (yuk)
> > > simply because I can use it for multiple languages. I know NetBeans was
> > > always
> > > first a Java IDE but its sad to see the wider contexts dropped because
> of
> > > lack of support.
> > >
> > > I did start to examine some of the C/C++ stuff but I'm glad I didn't
> > waste
> > > my time trying
> > > to learn it - I am a Java and C programmer but don't know much about
> > > NetBeans structure.
> > > mikej
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 1:57 PM John Kostaras <jk...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hallo all,
> > > >
> > > > NetBeans used to have many languages support in the past and I find
> it
> > > very
> > > > sad seeing NetBeans dying slowly because many developers abandon it
> > > because
> > > > it only supports Java (and Groovy?) nowadays.
> > > >
> > > > This wiki page
> > > > <
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Community+plugins>
> > > > lists a number of plugins that NetBeans used to support in the past.
> It
> > > is
> > > > true that they have been developed with different technologies and
> > > > versions, but some of them need not that much effort to be fixed. How
> > do
> > > we
> > > > integrate them? As plugins? Integrate them in the baseline?
> > > >
> > > > The mentality that we don't support them because nobody understands
> the
> > > > code, is also true about NetBeans itself. Shall we give up supporting
> > > > NetBeans too because most of us don't understand it source code?
> > > >
> > > > I will keep on the effort and I hope others will. To me abandoning
> > other
> > > > programming languages support means the end of NetBeans itself,
> sooner
> > > than
> > > > expected.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Eric for bringing this up.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards and happy New Year,
> > > >
> > > > John.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:34, Matthias Bläsing <
> > > mblaesing@doppel-helix.eu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Eric,
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Donnerstag, dem 30.12.2021 um 14:44 -0600 schrieb Eric Bresie:
> > > > > > > So then what’s next?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Option 1: Take the CDDL/GPLv2 licenses source and make that
> work
> > on
> > > > > > > Apache NetBeans (nothing stopping the resurrection of nbpython
> > > > > > > project). If the necessary steps are documented and donation
> > > happens
> > > > > > > the steps can be reproduced against the donated codebase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the nbpython code (I.e.
> > > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ),
> > the
> > > > > > mirrored hg code
> > > > > >
> http://source.apidesign.org/hg/netbeans/contrib/file/6b5e5bedcd2a
> > ,
> > > > the
> > > > > > mavenized version
> > > > > > https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
> > > > > > ?  Or something else?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My branch
> > > > > > https://github.com/ebresie/netbeans/tree/nbpython_integration3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > had code mainly from the hg code with tweaks to make it a
> cluster,
> > > > > updated
> > > > > > headers using the Netbeans tools, and a few other updates.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was on pause with expectations of picking up (and redoing) once
> > the
> > > > > > donation was available (which why I keep asking about the
> status).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that what is meant?
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't know. Sorry, but I won't look into support for a language I
> > don't
> > > > > have any use-case for at the moment, as enough time already flows
> > into
> > > > > NetBeans.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Option 2: Rebuild Python support from scratch. You already said
> > that
> > > > > > > the LSP approach might work and given that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3385
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is tested with python LSP, there is already work done
> elsewhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’ve been toying with a work in progress on new LSP Python
> > > > > implementation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the reference to Python LSP in the above PR, is there some
> > other
> > > > > Python
> > > > > > LSP in work (if so who is doing so as the more the merrier)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or was this pr using Python LSP to test the change?  Or was this
> > > > intended
> > > > > > to use the pr with WIP to further verify the PR?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Read the comments, they are not that long. The author claims, that
> he
> > > > > used a python LSP to test line based folding, I have no further
> > > > > knowledge about this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings
> > > > >
> > > > > Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>