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Posted to dev@ant.apache.org by Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de> on 2006/04/27 03:13:39 UTC
[VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Stephane Bailliez wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As I just resubscribed and noticed there is apparently spring cleanup
> going on in the code, I think it would be worth to get rid of:
> - JProbe Coverage task
> - Metamata Audit task
> - Metamata Metrics task
>
> JProbe should not be working anymore since JProbe 4
> As for Metamata, I doubt anyone is using it anymore as
> Metamata/WebGain products disappeared after being absorbed by Oracle
> in 2002 (except Toplink).
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Stephane
>
The 3 people who answered were all in favor of this cleanup. I thought
that it might be better to start a vote thread on this one too.
The cleanup means concretely removing the
org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.sitraka and
the
org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optiona.metamata
packages, with the corresponding documentation and testcases.
Do you agree that we should do it ?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
Let me start with my +1
Regards,
Antoine
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Kev Jackson <ke...@it.fts-vn.com>.
Antoine Levy-Lambert wrote:
>Kev Jackson wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>Why is this code change different from the other changes to remove
>>deprecated classes? Is it simply because these tasks are 3pp? If so
>>does that mean that we can break bwc iff it's dependent on a 3pp?
>>
>>Kev
>>
>>
>>
>I assume that there are no extensions (by API programmers) of the
>Metamata and of the Sitraka JProbe tasks.
>
>To the contrary, it is possible that there are API users who use for
>instance the Project#resolveFile() methods.
>
>
Ok that makes sense, thanks for answering.
Kev
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Re: "API"
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org>.
Jesse Glick wrote:
> Antoine Levy-Lambert wrote:
>
>> I assume that there are no extensions (by API programmers) of the
>> Metamata and of the Sitraka JProbe tasks.
>>
>> To the contrary, it is possible that there are API users who use for
>> instance the Project#resolveFile() methods.
>
>
> Hmm, it would be nice if we actually published an API so people could
> know for sure. :-) The habit of making everything public and nonfinal
> and throwing all classes into one namespace (with full Javadoc) means we
> are pretty limited in the kinds of refactorings we can do without
> breaking unknown parties.
>
> -J.
>
True, but in OSS-land, what else can you do. I and others on the Xom
user list regularly have discourse with elliotte rusty harold on making
this or that method public, as he's chosen the 'hide the entire
implementation by default' algorithm. Yes it gives you flexibilty for
the implementor, but its not clear the end users gain.
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Re: "API" (was: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks)
Posted by Jesse Glick <je...@sun.com>.
Antoine Levy-Lambert wrote:
> I assume that there are no extensions (by API programmers) of the
> Metamata and of the Sitraka JProbe tasks.
>
> To the contrary, it is possible that there are API users who use for
> instance the Project#resolveFile() methods.
Hmm, it would be nice if we actually published an API so people could
know for sure. :-) The habit of making everything public and nonfinal
and throwing all classes into one namespace (with full Javadoc) means we
are pretty limited in the kinds of refactorings we can do without
breaking unknown parties.
-J.
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de>.
Kev Jackson wrote:
>
>
>>
> Why is this code change different from the other changes to remove
> deprecated classes? Is it simply because these tasks are 3pp? If so
> does that mean that we can break bwc iff it's dependent on a 3pp?
>
> Kev
>
I assume that there are no extensions (by API programmers) of the
Metamata and of the Sitraka JProbe tasks.
To the contrary, it is possible that there are API users who use for
instance the Project#resolveFile() methods.
Regards,
Antoine
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Kev Jackson <ke...@it.fts-vn.com>.
>Do you agree that we should do it ?
>
>[ X ] Yes
>
>
>
+1
>[ ] No
>
>
Why is this code change different from the other changes to remove
deprecated classes? Is it simply because these tasks are 3pp? If so
does that mean that we can break bwc iff it's dependent on a 3pp?
Kev
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Stephane Bailliez <sb...@gmail.com>.
Antoine Levy-Lambert wrote:
> The 3 people who answered were all in favor of this cleanup. I thought
> that it might be better to start a vote thread on this one too.
>
> The cleanup means concretely removing the
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.sitraka and
> the
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optiona.metamata
>
> packages, with the corresponding documentation and testcases.
>
> Do you agree that we should do it ?
>
> [X] Yes
>
> [ ] No
>
> Let me start with my +1
>
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org>.
Antoine Levy-Lambert wrote:
> Stephane Bailliez wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>As I just resubscribed and noticed there is apparently spring cleanup
>>going on in the code, I think it would be worth to get rid of:
>>- JProbe Coverage task
>>- Metamata Audit task
>>- Metamata Metrics task
>>
>>JProbe should not be working anymore since JProbe 4
>>As for Metamata, I doubt anyone is using it anymore as
>>Metamata/WebGain products disappeared after being absorbed by Oracle
>>in 2002 (except Toplink).
>>
>>Thoughts ?
>>
>>Stephane
>>
>
> The 3 people who answered were all in favor of this cleanup. I thought
> that it might be better to start a vote thread on this one too.
>
> The cleanup means concretely removing the
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.sitraka and
> the
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optiona.metamata
>
> packages, with the corresponding documentation and testcases.
>
> Do you agree that we should do it ?
[+1 ] Yes
[ ] No
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Conor MacNeill <co...@apache.org>.
> Do you agree that we should do it ?
>
> [ ] Yes
>
> [ ] No
>
> Let me start with my +1
>
+1
Conor
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Dominique Devienne <dd...@gmail.com>.
On 4/26/06, Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de> wrote:
> The cleanup means concretely removing:
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.sitraka
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optiona.metamata
> packages, with the corresponding documentation and testcases.
+1. --DD
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[VOTE-RESULTS] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de>.
Hi,
all the voters voted +1, so we are going ahead with the suppression of
the JProbe and Metamata tasks.
Regards,
Antoine
Antoine Levy-Lambert wrote:
> Stephane Bailliez wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As I just resubscribed and noticed there is apparently spring cleanup
>> going on in the code, I think it would be worth to get rid of:
>> - JProbe Coverage task
>> - Metamata Audit task
>> - Metamata Metrics task
>>
>> JProbe should not be working anymore since JProbe 4
>> As for Metamata, I doubt anyone is using it anymore as
>> Metamata/WebGain products disappeared after being absorbed by Oracle
>> in 2002 (except Toplink).
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> Stephane
>>
>>
> The 3 people who answered were all in favor of this cleanup. I thought
> that it might be better to start a vote thread on this one too.
>
> The cleanup means concretely removing the
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optional.sitraka and
> the
> org.apache.tools.ant.taskdefs.optiona.metamata
>
> packages, with the corresponding documentation and testcases.
>
> Do you agree that we should do it ?
>
> [ ] Yes
>
> [ ] No
>
> Let me start with my +1
>
> Regards,
>
> Antoine
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Martijn Kruithof <jk...@apache.org>.
I don't think I already reacted:
>>
>> > Do you agree that we should do it ?
>> >
>> > [+1] Yes
>> >
>> > [ ] No
>
Martijn
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Peter Reilly <pe...@gmail.com>.
[+1] Yes
Peter
On 4/28/06, Matt Benson <gu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de> wrote:
> [SNIP]
> > Do you agree that we should do it ?
> >
> > [+1] Yes
> >
> > [ ] No
>
> -Matt
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] suppression of the JProbe and Metamata tasks
Posted by Matt Benson <gu...@yahoo.com>.
--- Antoine Levy-Lambert <an...@gmx.de> wrote:
[SNIP]
> Do you agree that we should do it ?
>
> [+1] Yes
>
> [ ] No
-Matt
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