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ApacheCon Feedback !!
Gang,
Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
Slides can be downloaded here:
https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation so
we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry :)
We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in practice.
We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that the
attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides you'll
find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in order
to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
We got good questions during and after the presentation.
In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
Cheers
Jiri & Paul
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi Nino,
Sure - pls simply post it here.. :-)
Thanks !
Cheers, Jiri
On Saturday, 3 October 2015, nino martinez wael <
nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want it..
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <paul@nosphere.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Gang,
> >
> > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> > Slides can be downloaded here:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
> >
> > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation so
> > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry :)
> >
> > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in practice.
> > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that the
> > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides you'll
> > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in order
> > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
> >
> > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
> >
> > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
> >
> > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jiri & Paul
> >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
> >
> >
>
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <he...@gmail.com>.
3.0 rename as such is done, but it also has a lot of expectations on "deep"
fixes. There is a Jira that tries to capture those;
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ZEST-109
Some of those are relatively trivial, such as ZEST-123 (change
Base64Encoder) and ZEST-124 (replace Jodatime with Java 8 Time API), but
others are quite massive, such as ZEST-97 which is about total revamp of
how UnitOfWork is handled.
As usual, with other jobs that put food on table, this will take some
time...
// Niclas
On Oct 9, 2015 03:55, "Paul Merlin" <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> nino martinez wael a écrit :
> > I Know it was in purpose. But I do think it would do good to spend 10
> > minutes in a, "large" zest app, that would really show some of the raw
> > power of composite programming.. Just really to put emphasis on
> > using/reusing fragments.. Because doing a simple project doesn't show, it
> > only show the overhead. Now some people of course can abstract from that,
> > others might not.
>
> Sure, makes sense. And yes, we did not dig deep into composition/reuse.
>
> > The speaker console app could be okay. If it had more classes to show of
> > the many facets of reuse..
>
> The tutorials do a pretty good job on this.
> Maybe we should have pointed to Zest documentation along the presentation?
>
> > Btw on a personal plan I intent to look into zest again.. Any idea on
> when
> > naming on packages will be moved to apache naming, e.g. Zest vs qi4j?
>
> 2.x will keep using org.qi4j.*
> 3.0 will use org.apache.zest.*.
> The rename has already been done in the develop branch.
>
> We don't have a 3.0 release time frame, we only know it should happen in
> 2016.
>
> Cheers
>
> /Paul
>
>
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org>.
nino martinez wael a écrit :
> I Know it was in purpose. But I do think it would do good to spend 10
> minutes in a, "large" zest app, that would really show some of the raw
> power of composite programming.. Just really to put emphasis on
> using/reusing fragments.. Because doing a simple project doesn't show, it
> only show the overhead. Now some people of course can abstract from that,
> others might not.
Sure, makes sense. And yes, we did not dig deep into composition/reuse.
> The speaker console app could be okay. If it had more classes to show of
> the many facets of reuse..
The tutorials do a pretty good job on this.
Maybe we should have pointed to Zest documentation along the presentation?
> Btw on a personal plan I intent to look into zest again.. Any idea on when
> naming on packages will be moved to apache naming, e.g. Zest vs qi4j?
2.x will keep using org.qi4j.*
3.0 will use org.apache.zest.*.
The rename has already been done in the develop branch.
We don't have a 3.0 release time frame, we only know it should happen in
2016.
Cheers
/Paul
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
I Know it was in purpose. But I do think it would do good to spend 10
minutes in a, "large" zest app, that would really show some of the raw
power of composite programming.. Just really to put emphasis on
using/reusing fragments.. Because doing a simple project doesn't show, it
only show the overhead. Now some people of course can abstract from that,
others might not.
The speaker console app could be okay. If it had more classes to show of
the many facets of reuse..
Btw on a personal plan I intent to look into zest again.. Any idea on when
naming on packages will be moved to apache naming, e.g. Zest vs qi4j?
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, 18:30 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> Hey Nino,
>
> Good to see you alive :)
> Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated.
>
> We presented something small on purpose. During the presentation we
> reviewed the *whole* code of the shown application, we thought this has
> value.
> If we had two presentation slots we could have used the first one for
> the basics and the second one for diving deeper. Or some sort of
> workshop/hackaton.
> Maybe on ApacheCon 2016?
>
> Best regards
>
> /Paul
>
>
> nino martinez wael a écrit :
> > Im alive :)
> >
> > Okay time for a little feedback.
> >
> > Disclaimer, I did not stay for the full presentation, one of my
> > colleagues were chewing my arm off, so we left ~10 mins after
> > scheduled end.
> >
> > I would really have liked to see two large applications compared. One
> > with normal pojos and java workings and another with Zest. So that it
> > would become very clear how powerful composite programming really are.
> >
> > I think a simple console app, would do just fine, so that people don't
> > get hung up on technologies.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > regards AND thanks for a good presentation
> > Nino
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> wow ! I hope you will be well soon ! All the best.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jiri
> >>
> >> 2015-10-04 14:09 GMT+02:00 nino martinez wael <
> nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com>
> >> :
> >>
> >>> I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in Qi4j
> in
> >>>> the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to me
> >>>> why)...
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Niclas
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
> >>>> nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want
> it..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Gang,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> >>>>>> Slides can be downloaded here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
> >>>>>> The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> >>>>>> We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation
> >>> so
> >>>>>> we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry
> >>> :)
> >>>>>> We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in
> >>> practice.
> >>>>>> We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides
> >>>> you'll
> >>>>>> find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in
> >>> order
> >>>>>> to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We got good questions during and after the presentation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> >>>>>> integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jiri & Paul
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
> >>>> --
> >>>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >>>> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org>.
Hey Nino,
Good to see you alive :)
Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated.
We presented something small on purpose. During the presentation we
reviewed the *whole* code of the shown application, we thought this has
value.
If we had two presentation slots we could have used the first one for
the basics and the second one for diving deeper. Or some sort of
workshop/hackaton.
Maybe on ApacheCon 2016?
Best regards
/Paul
nino martinez wael a écrit :
> Im alive :)
>
> Okay time for a little feedback.
>
> Disclaimer, I did not stay for the full presentation, one of my
> colleagues were chewing my arm off, so we left ~10 mins after
> scheduled end.
>
> I would really have liked to see two large applications compared. One
> with normal pojos and java workings and another with Zest. So that it
> would become very clear how powerful composite programming really are.
>
> I think a simple console app, would do just fine, so that people don't
> get hung up on technologies.
>
> WDYT?
>
> regards AND thanks for a good presentation
> Nino
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> wow ! I hope you will be well soon ! All the best.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jiri
>>
>> 2015-10-04 14:09 GMT+02:00 nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>
>> :
>>
>>> I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
>>>>
>>>> Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in Qi4j in
>>>> the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to me
>>>> why)...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Niclas
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
>>>> nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want it..
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gang,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
>>>>>> Slides can be downloaded here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
>>>>>> The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
>>>>>> We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation
>>> so
>>>>>> we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry
>>> :)
>>>>>> We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in
>>> practice.
>>>>>> We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that
>>>> the
>>>>>> attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides
>>>> you'll
>>>>>> find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in
>>> order
>>>>>> to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We got good questions during and after the presentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
>>>>>> integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jiri & Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
>>>> --
>>>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>>>> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>>>>
>
>
>
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
Im writing inline on this:)
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Nino,
>
> welcome back in life :-)
>
> I see what you mean, but at least from my side there are the following
> comments :
>
> 1.) In a 50 min Session, one can not really cover details for a "large" App
yes it would have to be short, just a glimpse of the power :)
> 2.) Where there is no knowledge about Zest in the audience, one has to
> first explain e.g. what a Fragment is. Otherwise the code that will be
> shown later will not make any sense.
I agree, but sometimes you also need to make their head go boom:)
>
> But I see your point, and lets see if we can do it for the next Apache Con
> better.
> Are you willing to contribute ?
I've been thinking on this, and YES i am, im not completely sure what
I can contribute with:. We are closing Apache Onami down, and this
frees my time a bit. And we are in the company picking up OSGI/KARAF
as our platform, and since Zest does have support for this it would
make perfect sense to at least give it a shot..
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers,
> Jiri
>
>
> 2015-10-08 17:50 GMT+02:00 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>:
>
>> Thanks, and yes that has been discussed in the past. Problem is that it is
>> not really feasible to do "big applications" at a conference, but Rickard
>> did a small comparison at Oredev 2009,
>> http://oredev.org/videos/dci-in-practice
>>
>> For online content, a bigger example is more feasible. Suggestion of one is
>> appreciated... ;-)
>>
>> Niclas
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:41 PM, nino martinez wael <
>> nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Im alive :)
>> >
>> > Okay time for a little feedback.
>> >
>> > Disclaimer, I did not stay for the full presentation, one of my
>> > colleagues were chewing my arm off, so we left ~10 mins after
>> > scheduled end.
>> >
>> > I would really have liked to see two large applications compared. One
>> > with normal pojos and java workings and another with Zest. So that it
>> > would become very clear how powerful composite programming really are.
>> >
>> > I think a simple console app, would do just fine, so that people don't
>> > get hung up on technologies.
>> >
>> > WDYT?
>> >
>> > regards AND thanks for a good presentation
>> > Nino
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > wow ! I hope you will be well soon ! All the best.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Jiri
>> > >
>> > > 2015-10-04 14:09 GMT+02:00 nino martinez wael <
>> > nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com>
>> > > :
>> > >
>> > >> I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in
>> Qi4j
>> > in
>> > >> > the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to
>> me
>> > >> > why)...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Cheers
>> > >> > Niclas
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
>> > >> > nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want
>> > it..
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Gang,
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
>> > >> > > > Slides can be downloaded here:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
>> > >> > > > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous
>> > presentation
>> > >> so
>> > >> > > > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not
>> > angry
>> > >> :)
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in
>> > >> practice.
>> > >> > > > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check
>> > that
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > > > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the
>> slides
>> > >> > you'll
>> > >> > > > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in
>> > >> order
>> > >> > > > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
>> > >> > > > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Cheers
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Jiri & Paul
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> > >> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
>> > Nino Martinez
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>>
--
Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Nino Martinez
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hey Nino,
welcome back in life :-)
I see what you mean, but at least from my side there are the following
comments :
1.) In a 50 min Session, one can not really cover details for a "large" App
2.) Where there is no knowledge about Zest in the audience, one has to
first explain e.g. what a Fragment is. Otherwise the code that will be
shown later will not make any sense.
But I see your point, and lets see if we can do it for the next Apache Con
better.
Are you willing to contribute ?
Thank you.
Cheers,
Jiri
2015-10-08 17:50 GMT+02:00 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>:
> Thanks, and yes that has been discussed in the past. Problem is that it is
> not really feasible to do "big applications" at a conference, but Rickard
> did a small comparison at Oredev 2009,
> http://oredev.org/videos/dci-in-practice
>
> For online content, a bigger example is more feasible. Suggestion of one is
> appreciated... ;-)
>
> Niclas
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:41 PM, nino martinez wael <
> nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Im alive :)
> >
> > Okay time for a little feedback.
> >
> > Disclaimer, I did not stay for the full presentation, one of my
> > colleagues were chewing my arm off, so we left ~10 mins after
> > scheduled end.
> >
> > I would really have liked to see two large applications compared. One
> > with normal pojos and java workings and another with Zest. So that it
> > would become very clear how powerful composite programming really are.
> >
> > I think a simple console app, would do just fine, so that people don't
> > get hung up on technologies.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > regards AND thanks for a good presentation
> > Nino
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > wow ! I hope you will be well soon ! All the best.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jiri
> > >
> > > 2015-10-04 14:09 GMT+02:00 nino martinez wael <
> > nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com>
> > > :
> > >
> > >> I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
> > >> >
> > >> > Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in
> Qi4j
> > in
> > >> > the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to
> me
> > >> > why)...
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers
> > >> > Niclas
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
> > >> > nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want
> > it..
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Gang,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> > >> > > > Slides can be downloaded here:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> > >> > > > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous
> > presentation
> > >> so
> > >> > > > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not
> > angry
> > >> :)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in
> > >> practice.
> > >> > > > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check
> > that
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the
> slides
> > >> > you'll
> > >> > > > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in
> > >> order
> > >> > > > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> > >> > > > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Cheers
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Jiri & Paul
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > >> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
> > Nino Martinez
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
Thanks, and yes that has been discussed in the past. Problem is that it is
not really feasible to do "big applications" at a conference, but Rickard
did a small comparison at Oredev 2009,
http://oredev.org/videos/dci-in-practice
For online content, a bigger example is more feasible. Suggestion of one is
appreciated... ;-)
Niclas
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:41 PM, nino martinez wael <
nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
> Im alive :)
>
> Okay time for a little feedback.
>
> Disclaimer, I did not stay for the full presentation, one of my
> colleagues were chewing my arm off, so we left ~10 mins after
> scheduled end.
>
> I would really have liked to see two large applications compared. One
> with normal pojos and java workings and another with Zest. So that it
> would become very clear how powerful composite programming really are.
>
> I think a simple console app, would do just fine, so that people don't
> get hung up on technologies.
>
> WDYT?
>
> regards AND thanks for a good presentation
> Nino
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > wow ! I hope you will be well soon ! All the best.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jiri
> >
> > 2015-10-04 14:09 GMT+02:00 nino martinez wael <
> nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com>
> > :
> >
> >> I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
> >> >
> >> > Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in Qi4j
> in
> >> > the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to me
> >> > why)...
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Niclas
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
> >> > nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want
> it..
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Gang,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> >> > > > Slides can be downloaded here:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> >> > > > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous
> presentation
> >> so
> >> > > > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not
> angry
> >> :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in
> >> practice.
> >> > > > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check
> that
> >> > the
> >> > > > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides
> >> > you'll
> >> > > > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in
> >> order
> >> > > > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> >> > > > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Cheers
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jiri & Paul
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
> Nino Martinez
>
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
Im alive :)
Okay time for a little feedback.
Disclaimer, I did not stay for the full presentation, one of my
colleagues were chewing my arm off, so we left ~10 mins after
scheduled end.
I would really have liked to see two large applications compared. One
with normal pojos and java workings and another with Zest. So that it
would become very clear how powerful composite programming really are.
I think a simple console app, would do just fine, so that people don't
get hung up on technologies.
WDYT?
regards AND thanks for a good presentation
Nino
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> wow ! I hope you will be well soon ! All the best.
>
> Cheers,
> Jiri
>
> 2015-10-04 14:09 GMT+02:00 nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>
> :
>
>> I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
>> >
>> > Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in Qi4j in
>> > the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to me
>> > why)...
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Niclas
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
>> > nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want it..
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Gang,
>> > > >
>> > > > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
>> > > > Slides can be downloaded here:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
>> > > >
>> > > > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
>> > > > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation
>> so
>> > > > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry
>> :)
>> > > >
>> > > > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in
>> practice.
>> > > > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that
>> > the
>> > > > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides
>> > you'll
>> > > > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in
>> order
>> > > > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
>> > > >
>> > > > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
>> > > >
>> > > > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
>> > > > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
>> > > >
>> > > > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > >
>> > > > Jiri & Paul
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>> >
>>
--
Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Nino Martinez
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Jiri Jetmar <ju...@gmail.com>.
wow ! I hope you will be well soon ! All the best.
Cheers,
Jiri
2015-10-04 14:09 GMT+02:00 nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>
:
> I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
> >
> > Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in Qi4j in
> > the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to me
> > why)...
> >
> > Cheers
> > Niclas
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
> > nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want it..
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gang,
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> > > > Slides can be downloaded here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
> > > >
> > > > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> > > > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation
> so
> > > > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry
> :)
> > > >
> > > > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in
> practice.
> > > > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that
> > the
> > > > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides
> > you'll
> > > > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in
> order
> > > > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
> > > >
> > > > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
> > > >
> > > > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> > > > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
> > > >
> > > > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Jiri & Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> >
>
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
I'm down with Food poisoning I'll give the feedback during the week
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015, 08:13 Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
>
> Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in Qi4j in
> the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to me
> why)...
>
> Cheers
> Niclas
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
> nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want it..
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Gang,
> > >
> > > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> > > Slides can be downloaded here:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
> > >
> > > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> > > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation so
> > > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry :)
> > >
> > > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in practice.
> > > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that
> the
> > > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides
> you'll
> > > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in order
> > > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
> > >
> > > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
> > >
> > > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> > > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
> > >
> > > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Jiri & Paul
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
>
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
Yeah, Nino.... Shoot.
Most people here might not know that Nino had a keen interest in Qi4j in
the very early days, but got disengaged for some reason (unknown to me
why)...
Cheers
Niclas
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:46 PM, nino martinez wael <
nino.martinez.wael@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want it..
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
>
> > Gang,
> >
> > Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> > Slides can be downloaded here:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
> >
> > The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> > We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation so
> > we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry :)
> >
> > We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in practice.
> > We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that the
> > attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides you'll
> > find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in order
> > to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
> >
> > We got good questions during and after the presentation.
> >
> > In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> > integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
> >
> > That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jiri & Paul
> >
> >
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
> >
> >
>
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
Re: ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by nino martinez wael <ni...@gmail.com>.
Hi guys I do have some feedback for the presentation, If you want it..
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015, 17:32 Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org> wrote:
> Gang,
>
> Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
> Slides can be downloaded here:
>
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
>
> The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
> We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation so
> we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry :)
>
> We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in practice.
> We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that the
> attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides you'll
> find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in order
> to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
>
> We got good questions during and after the presentation.
>
> In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
> integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
>
> That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
>
> Cheers
>
> Jiri & Paul
>
> https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg
>
>
ApacheCon Feedback !!
Posted by Paul Merlin <pa...@nosphere.org>.
Gang,
Unfortunately the sessions were not recorded.
Slides can be downloaded here:
https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/Apache_Zest-ApacheCon_2015_EN_FINAL.pdf
The room was crowded with 30/40 people, more than we expected.
We started a bit late (~12:30) because of the previous presentation so
we ended late (~13:30+). People were definitely hungry but not angry :)
We opted to make some live-code to demonstrate all theory in practice.
We think that approach made a lot of sense and allowed to check that the
attendees were not lost all along the presentation. In the slides you'll
find the github link to the code we showed. We kept it simple in order
to show the essentials, compostion, assembly, step by step.
We got good questions during and after the presentation.
In the afternoon, Roman talked to us about some CloudFoundry
integration. He'll show up on the list about that.
That's all folks, hungarian wine is good :)
Cheers
Jiri & Paul
https://github.com/eskatos/zest-apache-con/raw/master/ApacheCon-Zest-Jiri-Paul-Small.jpg