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[Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
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<<Include(EditTheWiki)>>
= The CouchDB Vision =
This is a WIP to move items from [[http://markmail.org/search/?q=%22What%27s+our+Why%3F%22+list%3Aorg.apache.couchdb.dev+order%3Adate-forward|the "What's our Why?" thread]] to a wiki page.
<<TableOfContents(2)>>
=== Notes ===
"We believe in challenging the status quo. We believe in thinking different. We do that with great design and a focus on the user experience. We just happen to make computers."
I you talk about what you believe, you will attract those that believe what you believe.
When you talk about what you believe, people will join you for their own reasons, for their own purpose.
What you do simply serves as proof of what you believe.
"Martin Luther King gave his 'I have a dream' speech, not his 'i have a plan' speech."
Our existing message stinks.
We need to figure out what we stand for, what we believe in. And then we figure out how we're gonna do that.
This will define a consistent internal vision for the project and will help us to attract people who believe in what we believe.
Once we have our why, it can inform our how.
When we're talking about product direction we can say "well, how is this related to what we're trying to do here?"
Whatever this ends up looking like, I think this is how we should talk about CouchDB. This structure could be a template for anything. A talk, a sales pitch, the homepage itself. The important thing is that we start from "why?" and we build up from foundations.
>From Jan:
"The number one thing that people did NOT like about CouchDB is that it is confused. CouchDB has a torn identity, half database, half application server. It wasn’t clear (and I am part responsible for this) what CouchDB is and wants to be. In everybody’s defence, I think, it just took a while to figure it out. Now is a good time to put our findings in writing and fix this."
"The number one request from people was to clear up CouchDB’s story, to have a clear, bold vision that captures people and that they can easily understand and share and support and move forward."
"Before I lay it out, I understand that I will be ruffling some feathers. I think that is both necessary and healthy. I think the picture I am going to paint will make a lot of people in the CouchDB community happy, some with concessions, but I utterly and strongly believe that this vision of what CouchDB is has the power to set the course for the next five years of the project and attract a whole lot of new people both as users and contributors."
== Why? ==
* What's your purpose?
* What's your cause?
* What's your belief?
Suggestions made:
* peer-to-peer replication of apps and datasets
* your data, everywhere
* "relax"
* Painless distributed systems
* Decentralised web
* Put the data where you need it
* "I have a dream that distributed data will be easy"
* "CouchDB almost wants to be the Git, for databases"
* "We believe that distributed data should be easy"
>From Jan:
"I want to live in a world where people are empowered to understand and are capable to decide where their data lives. I want to live in a world where developers build apps that support that, not because they went out of their way to implement it, but because it is a feature of the software platform they are using."
"I want to be able to help people improve their lives in regions of the world where ubiquitous network access isn’t — and sometimes that is just a major western capital’s subway — but more likely is it a lesser developed location, or a rural area that will never see mobile broadband, let alone wired broadband because there is no financial incentive."
"I want to live in a world where technology solves more problems than it creates. One of those ways is allow people to use software wherever they are in whatever context they need it in. More often than not, that means far away from fast network access[...]"
"My primary motivation for working on Apache CouchDB is to help build the world I want to live in[...]"
== How? ==
* How do we do it?
* How does our product differentiate?
* How are we different?
* How are we better?
Suggestions made:
* Schema-less/document-oriented
* Replication
* "of the web"
* "some kind of big data handling"
* "couchdb on their mobile"
* we take care of your data
* we take care of exchanging your data
* we take care of rendering your data
* We handle your data / you handle display
* Painless multi-master replication
* Effortless clustering and sharding
* Co-location of data, queries, and views
* Deep browser and platform integration
* Built of the Web
>From Jan:
"In the past year I have interviewed a fair number of people, let’s say 50, from those who have heard about CouchDB to users to core devs."
"The ONE feature that makes CouchDB relevant is multi-master replication. There is no exception, this is the ONE thing that makes CouchDB exceptional. NOBODY else has that, and even the decent proprietary solutions that are just coming to market suck where we KICK ASS."
"There are many other things that people like about CouchDB: reliability, no schema, HTTP interface, the view system, etc. But NONE of these people would care if CouchDB didn’t have multi-master replication."
== What? ==
* What do we do?
* What do we make?
Suggestions made:
* Erlang
* HTTP
* JSON
* JavaScript
* MapReduce
* hoodie
* kanso
* erica
* couchapp
* Message hub (nodejistsu, hoodie are using couchdb as a message hub somehow)
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
I've moved the page to The_CouchDB_Vision_Proposal_NS now, and added a note
at the top that reflects the fact that this is a concrete proposal I am
working on and intend to bring the list for commentary, and ultimately, a
vote.
On 29 July 2013 11:12, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't noticed it was something personal since the changes arrived on the
> @dev so ....
>
> AnywayI was much more interested in the P asking if we shouldn't take a
> more low level approach. I am now working on my side to propose an initial
> draft following the proposed approach.
>
> - benoit
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Benoit, can I ask you to hold off for a while, please? This page is only
> > linked to "Working Documents" under my personal homepage[1]. As Jan
> points
> > out, it is a WIP. And the "W" is very much an active thing. (i.e. This is
> > my current project.) At the moment, I'm just going through the existing
> > thread and copying things verbatim to the correct part of the doc. Once
> > that it done, I will start to edit the doc. Hopefully be able to
> synthesis
> > something useful from all this. (And yes, you are right, the stylistic
> > flourishes, and other non-essential items, will be edited out.)
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/NoahSlater
> >
> >
> > On 29 July 2013 09:48, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jason, no need for snarky comments here, thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Benoit, I believe the wiki page says WIP as it’s 4th word. Work In
> > > > Progress here means an invitation for anyone to make this a final
> > > > version. This should be enough of an indicator that the vision is
> > > > going to be “ours” and nothing else.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe instead of raising issues with a draft, just add your points?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Noah, thanks a lot for getting the ball rolling here and I am sorry
> > > > to see the poor replies you have gotten in return.
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > > Jan
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Well I didn't want to edit anything before asking. Think it as a
> comment
> > in
> > > the discussion tab on wikipedia.
> > >
> > > Anyway I am already working a draft collecting all the points as a
> list,
> > > should be done later in the day.
> > >
> > > - benoit
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
> >
>
--
NS
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
I didn't noticed it was something personal since the changes arrived on the
@dev so ....
AnywayI was much more interested in the P asking if we shouldn't take a
more low level approach. I am now working on my side to propose an initial
draft following the proposed approach.
- benoit
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Benoit, can I ask you to hold off for a while, please? This page is only
> linked to "Working Documents" under my personal homepage[1]. As Jan points
> out, it is a WIP. And the "W" is very much an active thing. (i.e. This is
> my current project.) At the moment, I'm just going through the existing
> thread and copying things verbatim to the correct part of the doc. Once
> that it done, I will start to edit the doc. Hopefully be able to synthesis
> something useful from all this. (And yes, you are right, the stylistic
> flourishes, and other non-essential items, will be edited out.)
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/NoahSlater
>
>
> On 29 July 2013 09:48, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Jason, no need for snarky comments here, thanks.
> > >
> > > Benoit, I believe the wiki page says WIP as it’s 4th word. Work In
> > > Progress here means an invitation for anyone to make this a final
> > > version. This should be enough of an indicator that the vision is
> > > going to be “ours” and nothing else.
> > >
> > > Maybe instead of raising issues with a draft, just add your points?
> > >
> > >
> > > Noah, thanks a lot for getting the ball rolling here and I am sorry
> > > to see the poor replies you have gotten in return.
> > >
> > > Best
> > > Jan
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > Well I didn't want to edit anything before asking. Think it as a comment
> in
> > the discussion tab on wikipedia.
> >
> > Anyway I am already working a draft collecting all the points as a list,
> > should be done later in the day.
> >
> > - benoit
> >
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Benoit, can I ask you to hold off for a while, please? This page is only
linked to "Working Documents" under my personal homepage[1]. As Jan points
out, it is a WIP. And the "W" is very much an active thing. (i.e. This is
my current project.) At the moment, I'm just going through the existing
thread and copying things verbatim to the correct part of the doc. Once
that it done, I will start to edit the doc. Hopefully be able to synthesis
something useful from all this. (And yes, you are right, the stylistic
flourishes, and other non-essential items, will be edited out.)
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/NoahSlater
On 29 July 2013 09:48, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Jason, no need for snarky comments here, thanks.
> >
> > Benoit, I believe the wiki page says WIP as it’s 4th word. Work In
> > Progress here means an invitation for anyone to make this a final
> > version. This should be enough of an indicator that the vision is
> > going to be “ours” and nothing else.
> >
> > Maybe instead of raising issues with a draft, just add your points?
> >
> >
> > Noah, thanks a lot for getting the ball rolling here and I am sorry
> > to see the poor replies you have gotten in return.
> >
> > Best
> > Jan
> > --
> >
> >
> Well I didn't want to edit anything before asking. Think it as a comment in
> the discussion tab on wikipedia.
>
> Anyway I am already working a draft collecting all the points as a list,
> should be done later in the day.
>
> - benoit
>
--
NS
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> Jason, no need for snarky comments here, thanks.
>
> Benoit, I believe the wiki page says WIP as it’s 4th word. Work In
> Progress here means an invitation for anyone to make this a final
> version. This should be enough of an indicator that the vision is
> going to be “ours” and nothing else.
>
> Maybe instead of raising issues with a draft, just add your points?
>
>
> Noah, thanks a lot for getting the ball rolling here and I am sorry
> to see the poor replies you have gotten in return.
>
> Best
> Jan
> --
>
>
Well I didn't want to edit anything before asking. Think it as a comment in
the discussion tab on wikipedia.
Anyway I am already working a draft collecting all the points as a list,
should be done later in the day.
- benoit
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
Jason, no need for snarky comments here, thanks.
Benoit, I believe the wiki page says WIP as it’s 4th word. Work In
Progress here means an invitation for anyone to make this a final
version. This should be enough of an indicator that the vision is
going to be “ours” and nothing else.
Maybe instead of raising issues with a draft, just add your points?
Noah, thanks a lot for getting the ball rolling here and I am sorry
to see the poor replies you have gotten in return.
Best
Jan
--
On Jul 29, 2013, at 08:46 , Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Jason Smith <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Also yes I really think that the "I have a dream" quote is already too
>> much
>>> tarnished to not mention it further even if people had the better
>>> intentions when they mention it.
>>
>> One cannot argue with such statements. One can only underline them.
>>
>
> That doesn't mean anything.
>
> Anyway more importantly, I think our vision should be *ours* as a project
> and not quote any text or person in the final doc. So people can only focus
> on the project values. That was the point.
>
> - benoit
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Jason Smith <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Also yes I really think that the "I have a dream" quote is already too
> much
> > tarnished to not mention it further even if people had the better
> > intentions when they mention it.
>
> One cannot argue with such statements. One can only underline them.
>
That doesn't mean anything.
Anyway more importantly, I think our vision should be *ours* as a project
and not quote any text or person in the final doc. So people can only focus
on the project values. That was the point.
- benoit
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Jason Smith <jh...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also yes I really think that the "I have a dream" quote is already too much
> tarnished to not mention it further even if people had the better
> intentions when they mention it.
One cannot argue with such statements. One can only underline them.
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Jason Smith <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Oh, for God's sake.
>
>
? the idea here is to not put the cart before the horse. So before jumping
in a synthesis and edited text, I am asking (hence the question mark) if it
wouldn't be easier for a start to only collect raw idea in a list from the
thread possibly enriched by their author and then find a consensus around
them. After that we could then go for an edited text and synthesis. What's
wrong in that? I am happy to help in this collection.
Also yes I really think that the "I have a dream" quote is already too much
tarnished to not mention it further even if people had the better
intentions when they mention it.
- benoit
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > any mention to martin luther king should be removed.Please don't
> associate
> > his vision to something as ridiculous as a vision for a product.
> >
> > For the rest shouldn't this document link tothe still running thread and
> > only collect raw ideas from all? there are indeed too much edit in this
> doc
> > and it would be a way easier to find a concensuss on raw ideas that make
> > the couch db vision than qan aleady edited text.
> > On Jul 28, 2013 11:58 AM, "Apache Wiki" <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Wiki user,
> >>
> >> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Couchdb Wiki"
> for
> >> change notification.
> >>
> >> The "The_CouchDB_Vision" page has been changed by NoahSlater:
> >> https://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/The_CouchDB_Vision
> >>
> >> New page:
> >> <<Include(EditTheWiki)>>
> >>
> >> = The CouchDB Vision =
> >>
> >> This is a WIP to move items from [[
> >>
> http://markmail.org/search/?q=%22What%27s+our+Why%3F%22+list%3Aorg.apache.couchdb.dev+order%3Adate-forward|the"What's
> our Why?" thread]] to a wiki page.
> >>
> >> <<TableOfContents(2)>>
> >>
> >> === Notes ===
> >>
> >> "We believe in challenging the status quo. We believe in thinking
> >> different. We do that with great design and a focus on the user
> experience.
> >> We just happen to make computers."
> >>
> >> I you talk about what you believe, you will attract those that believe
> >> what you believe.
> >>
> >> When you talk about what you believe, people will join you for their own
> >> reasons, for their own purpose.
> >>
> >> What you do simply serves as proof of what you believe.
> >>
> >> "Martin Luther King gave his 'I have a dream' speech, not his 'i have a
> >> plan' speech."
> >>
> >> Our existing message stinks.
> >>
> >> We need to figure out what we stand for, what we believe in. And then we
> >> figure out how we're gonna do that.
> >>
> >> This will define a consistent internal vision for the project and will
> >> help us to attract people who believe in what we believe.
> >>
> >> Once we have our why, it can inform our how.
> >>
> >> When we're talking about product direction we can say "well, how is this
> >> related to what we're trying to do here?"
> >>
> >> Whatever this ends up looking like, I think this is how we should talk
> >> about CouchDB. This structure could be a template for anything. A talk,
> a
> >> sales pitch, the homepage itself. The important thing is that we start
> from
> >> "why?" and we build up from foundations.
> >>
> >> >From Jan:
> >>
> >> "The number one thing that people did NOT like about CouchDB is that it
> is
> >> confused. CouchDB has a torn identity, half database, half application
> >> server. It wasn’t clear (and I am part responsible for this) what
> CouchDB
> >> is and wants to be. In everybody’s defence, I think, it just took a
> while
> >> to figure it out. Now is a good time to put our findings in writing and
> fix
> >> this."
> >>
> >> "The number one request from people was to clear up CouchDB’s story, to
> >> have a clear, bold vision that captures people and that they can easily
> >> understand and share and support and move forward."
> >>
> >> "Before I lay it out, I understand that I will be ruffling some
> feathers.
> >> I think that is both necessary and healthy. I think the picture I am
> going
> >> to paint will make a lot of people in the CouchDB community happy, some
> >> with concessions, but I utterly and strongly believe that this vision of
> >> what CouchDB is has the power to set the course for the next five years
> of
> >> the project and attract a whole lot of new people both as users and
> >> contributors."
> >>
> >> == Why? ==
> >>
> >> * What's your purpose?
> >> * What's your cause?
> >> * What's your belief?
> >>
> >> Suggestions made:
> >>
> >> * peer-to-peer replication of apps and datasets
> >> * your data, everywhere
> >> * "relax"
> >> * Painless distributed systems
> >> * Decentralised web
> >> * Put the data where you need it
> >> * "I have a dream that distributed data will be easy"
> >> * "CouchDB almost wants to be the Git, for databases"
> >> * "We believe that distributed data should be easy"
> >>
> >> >From Jan:
> >>
> >> "I want to live in a world where people are empowered to understand and
> >> are capable to decide where their data lives. I want to live in a world
> >> where developers build apps that support that, not because they went
> out of
> >> their way to implement it, but because it is a feature of the software
> >> platform they are using."
> >>
> >> "I want to be able to help people improve their lives in regions of the
> >> world where ubiquitous network access isn’t — and sometimes that is
> just a
> >> major western capital’s subway — but more likely is it a lesser
> developed
> >> location, or a rural area that will never see mobile broadband, let
> alone
> >> wired broadband because there is no financial incentive."
> >>
> >> "I want to live in a world where technology solves more problems than it
> >> creates. One of those ways is allow people to use software wherever they
> >> are in whatever context they need it in. More often than not, that means
> >> far away from fast network access[...]"
> >>
> >> "My primary motivation for working on Apache CouchDB is to help build
> the
> >> world I want to live in[...]"
> >>
> >> == How? ==
> >>
> >> * How do we do it?
> >> * How does our product differentiate?
> >> * How are we different?
> >> * How are we better?
> >>
> >> Suggestions made:
> >>
> >> * Schema-less/document-oriented
> >> * Replication
> >> * "of the web"
> >> * "some kind of big data handling"
> >> * "couchdb on their mobile"
> >> * we take care of your data
> >> * we take care of exchanging your data
> >> * we take care of rendering your data
> >> * We handle your data / you handle display
> >> * Painless multi-master replication
> >> * Effortless clustering and sharding
> >> * Co-location of data, queries, and views
> >> * Deep browser and platform integration
> >> * Built of the Web
> >>
> >> >From Jan:
> >>
> >> "In the past year I have interviewed a fair number of people, let’s say
> >> 50, from those who have heard about CouchDB to users to core devs."
> >>
> >> "The ONE feature that makes CouchDB relevant is multi-master
> replication.
> >> There is no exception, this is the ONE thing that makes CouchDB
> >> exceptional. NOBODY else has that, and even the decent proprietary
> >> solutions that are just coming to market suck where we KICK ASS."
> >>
> >> "There are many other things that people like about CouchDB:
> reliability,
> >> no schema, HTTP interface, the view system, etc. But NONE of these
> people
> >> would care if CouchDB didn’t have multi-master replication."
> >>
> >> == What? ==
> >>
> >> * What do we do?
> >> * What do we make?
> >>
> >> Suggestions made:
> >>
> >> * Erlang
> >> * HTTP
> >> * JSON
> >> * JavaScript
> >> * MapReduce
> >> * hoodie
> >> * kanso
> >> * erica
> >> * couchapp
> >> * Message hub (nodejistsu, hoodie are using couchdb as a message hub
> >> somehow)
> >>
>
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Jason Smith <jh...@apache.org>.
Oh, for God's sake.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> any mention to martin luther king should be removed.Please don't associate
> his vision to something as ridiculous as a vision for a product.
>
> For the rest shouldn't this document link tothe still running thread and
> only collect raw ideas from all? there are indeed too much edit in this doc
> and it would be a way easier to find a concensuss on raw ideas that make
> the couch db vision than qan aleady edited text.
> On Jul 28, 2013 11:58 AM, "Apache Wiki" <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wiki user,
>>
>> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Couchdb Wiki" for
>> change notification.
>>
>> The "The_CouchDB_Vision" page has been changed by NoahSlater:
>> https://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/The_CouchDB_Vision
>>
>> New page:
>> <<Include(EditTheWiki)>>
>>
>> = The CouchDB Vision =
>>
>> This is a WIP to move items from [[
>> http://markmail.org/search/?q=%22What%27s+our+Why%3F%22+list%3Aorg.apache.couchdb.dev+order%3Adate-forward|the"What's our Why?" thread]] to a wiki page.
>>
>> <<TableOfContents(2)>>
>>
>> === Notes ===
>>
>> "We believe in challenging the status quo. We believe in thinking
>> different. We do that with great design and a focus on the user experience.
>> We just happen to make computers."
>>
>> I you talk about what you believe, you will attract those that believe
>> what you believe.
>>
>> When you talk about what you believe, people will join you for their own
>> reasons, for their own purpose.
>>
>> What you do simply serves as proof of what you believe.
>>
>> "Martin Luther King gave his 'I have a dream' speech, not his 'i have a
>> plan' speech."
>>
>> Our existing message stinks.
>>
>> We need to figure out what we stand for, what we believe in. And then we
>> figure out how we're gonna do that.
>>
>> This will define a consistent internal vision for the project and will
>> help us to attract people who believe in what we believe.
>>
>> Once we have our why, it can inform our how.
>>
>> When we're talking about product direction we can say "well, how is this
>> related to what we're trying to do here?"
>>
>> Whatever this ends up looking like, I think this is how we should talk
>> about CouchDB. This structure could be a template for anything. A talk, a
>> sales pitch, the homepage itself. The important thing is that we start from
>> "why?" and we build up from foundations.
>>
>> >From Jan:
>>
>> "The number one thing that people did NOT like about CouchDB is that it is
>> confused. CouchDB has a torn identity, half database, half application
>> server. It wasn’t clear (and I am part responsible for this) what CouchDB
>> is and wants to be. In everybody’s defence, I think, it just took a while
>> to figure it out. Now is a good time to put our findings in writing and fix
>> this."
>>
>> "The number one request from people was to clear up CouchDB’s story, to
>> have a clear, bold vision that captures people and that they can easily
>> understand and share and support and move forward."
>>
>> "Before I lay it out, I understand that I will be ruffling some feathers.
>> I think that is both necessary and healthy. I think the picture I am going
>> to paint will make a lot of people in the CouchDB community happy, some
>> with concessions, but I utterly and strongly believe that this vision of
>> what CouchDB is has the power to set the course for the next five years of
>> the project and attract a whole lot of new people both as users and
>> contributors."
>>
>> == Why? ==
>>
>> * What's your purpose?
>> * What's your cause?
>> * What's your belief?
>>
>> Suggestions made:
>>
>> * peer-to-peer replication of apps and datasets
>> * your data, everywhere
>> * "relax"
>> * Painless distributed systems
>> * Decentralised web
>> * Put the data where you need it
>> * "I have a dream that distributed data will be easy"
>> * "CouchDB almost wants to be the Git, for databases"
>> * "We believe that distributed data should be easy"
>>
>> >From Jan:
>>
>> "I want to live in a world where people are empowered to understand and
>> are capable to decide where their data lives. I want to live in a world
>> where developers build apps that support that, not because they went out of
>> their way to implement it, but because it is a feature of the software
>> platform they are using."
>>
>> "I want to be able to help people improve their lives in regions of the
>> world where ubiquitous network access isn’t — and sometimes that is just a
>> major western capital’s subway — but more likely is it a lesser developed
>> location, or a rural area that will never see mobile broadband, let alone
>> wired broadband because there is no financial incentive."
>>
>> "I want to live in a world where technology solves more problems than it
>> creates. One of those ways is allow people to use software wherever they
>> are in whatever context they need it in. More often than not, that means
>> far away from fast network access[...]"
>>
>> "My primary motivation for working on Apache CouchDB is to help build the
>> world I want to live in[...]"
>>
>> == How? ==
>>
>> * How do we do it?
>> * How does our product differentiate?
>> * How are we different?
>> * How are we better?
>>
>> Suggestions made:
>>
>> * Schema-less/document-oriented
>> * Replication
>> * "of the web"
>> * "some kind of big data handling"
>> * "couchdb on their mobile"
>> * we take care of your data
>> * we take care of exchanging your data
>> * we take care of rendering your data
>> * We handle your data / you handle display
>> * Painless multi-master replication
>> * Effortless clustering and sharding
>> * Co-location of data, queries, and views
>> * Deep browser and platform integration
>> * Built of the Web
>>
>> >From Jan:
>>
>> "In the past year I have interviewed a fair number of people, let’s say
>> 50, from those who have heard about CouchDB to users to core devs."
>>
>> "The ONE feature that makes CouchDB relevant is multi-master replication.
>> There is no exception, this is the ONE thing that makes CouchDB
>> exceptional. NOBODY else has that, and even the decent proprietary
>> solutions that are just coming to market suck where we KICK ASS."
>>
>> "There are many other things that people like about CouchDB: reliability,
>> no schema, HTTP interface, the view system, etc. But NONE of these people
>> would care if CouchDB didn’t have multi-master replication."
>>
>> == What? ==
>>
>> * What do we do?
>> * What do we make?
>>
>> Suggestions made:
>>
>> * Erlang
>> * HTTP
>> * JSON
>> * JavaScript
>> * MapReduce
>> * hoodie
>> * kanso
>> * erica
>> * couchapp
>> * Message hub (nodejistsu, hoodie are using couchdb as a message hub
>> somehow)
>>
Re: [Couchdb Wiki] Update of "The_CouchDB_Vision" by NoahSlater
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
any mention to martin luther king should be removed.Please don't associate
his vision to something as ridiculous as a vision for a product.
For the rest shouldn't this document link tothe still running thread and
only collect raw ideas from all? there are indeed too much edit in this doc
and it would be a way easier to find a concensuss on raw ideas that make
the couch db vision than qan aleady edited text.
On Jul 28, 2013 11:58 AM, "Apache Wiki" <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Dear Wiki user,
>
> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Couchdb Wiki" for
> change notification.
>
> The "The_CouchDB_Vision" page has been changed by NoahSlater:
> https://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/The_CouchDB_Vision
>
> New page:
> <<Include(EditTheWiki)>>
>
> = The CouchDB Vision =
>
> This is a WIP to move items from [[
> http://markmail.org/search/?q=%22What%27s+our+Why%3F%22+list%3Aorg.apache.couchdb.dev+order%3Adate-forward|the"What's our Why?" thread]] to a wiki page.
>
> <<TableOfContents(2)>>
>
> === Notes ===
>
> "We believe in challenging the status quo. We believe in thinking
> different. We do that with great design and a focus on the user experience.
> We just happen to make computers."
>
> I you talk about what you believe, you will attract those that believe
> what you believe.
>
> When you talk about what you believe, people will join you for their own
> reasons, for their own purpose.
>
> What you do simply serves as proof of what you believe.
>
> "Martin Luther King gave his 'I have a dream' speech, not his 'i have a
> plan' speech."
>
> Our existing message stinks.
>
> We need to figure out what we stand for, what we believe in. And then we
> figure out how we're gonna do that.
>
> This will define a consistent internal vision for the project and will
> help us to attract people who believe in what we believe.
>
> Once we have our why, it can inform our how.
>
> When we're talking about product direction we can say "well, how is this
> related to what we're trying to do here?"
>
> Whatever this ends up looking like, I think this is how we should talk
> about CouchDB. This structure could be a template for anything. A talk, a
> sales pitch, the homepage itself. The important thing is that we start from
> "why?" and we build up from foundations.
>
> >From Jan:
>
> "The number one thing that people did NOT like about CouchDB is that it is
> confused. CouchDB has a torn identity, half database, half application
> server. It wasn’t clear (and I am part responsible for this) what CouchDB
> is and wants to be. In everybody’s defence, I think, it just took a while
> to figure it out. Now is a good time to put our findings in writing and fix
> this."
>
> "The number one request from people was to clear up CouchDB’s story, to
> have a clear, bold vision that captures people and that they can easily
> understand and share and support and move forward."
>
> "Before I lay it out, I understand that I will be ruffling some feathers.
> I think that is both necessary and healthy. I think the picture I am going
> to paint will make a lot of people in the CouchDB community happy, some
> with concessions, but I utterly and strongly believe that this vision of
> what CouchDB is has the power to set the course for the next five years of
> the project and attract a whole lot of new people both as users and
> contributors."
>
> == Why? ==
>
> * What's your purpose?
> * What's your cause?
> * What's your belief?
>
> Suggestions made:
>
> * peer-to-peer replication of apps and datasets
> * your data, everywhere
> * "relax"
> * Painless distributed systems
> * Decentralised web
> * Put the data where you need it
> * "I have a dream that distributed data will be easy"
> * "CouchDB almost wants to be the Git, for databases"
> * "We believe that distributed data should be easy"
>
> >From Jan:
>
> "I want to live in a world where people are empowered to understand and
> are capable to decide where their data lives. I want to live in a world
> where developers build apps that support that, not because they went out of
> their way to implement it, but because it is a feature of the software
> platform they are using."
>
> "I want to be able to help people improve their lives in regions of the
> world where ubiquitous network access isn’t — and sometimes that is just a
> major western capital’s subway — but more likely is it a lesser developed
> location, or a rural area that will never see mobile broadband, let alone
> wired broadband because there is no financial incentive."
>
> "I want to live in a world where technology solves more problems than it
> creates. One of those ways is allow people to use software wherever they
> are in whatever context they need it in. More often than not, that means
> far away from fast network access[...]"
>
> "My primary motivation for working on Apache CouchDB is to help build the
> world I want to live in[...]"
>
> == How? ==
>
> * How do we do it?
> * How does our product differentiate?
> * How are we different?
> * How are we better?
>
> Suggestions made:
>
> * Schema-less/document-oriented
> * Replication
> * "of the web"
> * "some kind of big data handling"
> * "couchdb on their mobile"
> * we take care of your data
> * we take care of exchanging your data
> * we take care of rendering your data
> * We handle your data / you handle display
> * Painless multi-master replication
> * Effortless clustering and sharding
> * Co-location of data, queries, and views
> * Deep browser and platform integration
> * Built of the Web
>
> >From Jan:
>
> "In the past year I have interviewed a fair number of people, let’s say
> 50, from those who have heard about CouchDB to users to core devs."
>
> "The ONE feature that makes CouchDB relevant is multi-master replication.
> There is no exception, this is the ONE thing that makes CouchDB
> exceptional. NOBODY else has that, and even the decent proprietary
> solutions that are just coming to market suck where we KICK ASS."
>
> "There are many other things that people like about CouchDB: reliability,
> no schema, HTTP interface, the view system, etc. But NONE of these people
> would care if CouchDB didn’t have multi-master replication."
>
> == What? ==
>
> * What do we do?
> * What do we make?
>
> Suggestions made:
>
> * Erlang
> * HTTP
> * JSON
> * JavaScript
> * MapReduce
> * hoodie
> * kanso
> * erica
> * couchapp
> * Message hub (nodejistsu, hoodie are using couchdb as a message hub
> somehow)
>