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[DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our roster[3],
notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to graduate[4],
voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
become an Apache top level project.
Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of the
size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates from
the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors voted
to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having pointed
out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and that
simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will begin on
general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation there,
that includes the resolution.
Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
Thanks,
Gj
1.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
2.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
3. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
4.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
5.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
6.
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
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Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and application
framework.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is established
pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is responsible for
the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a development
environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and
hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans Project, and
to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans Project:
* Anton Epple <mo...@apache.org>
* Antonio Vieiro <vi...@apache.org>
* Aristides Villarreal <av...@apache.org>
* Arunava Sinha <ar...@apache.org>
* Ate Douma <at...@apache.org>
* Attila Kelemen <ke...@apache.org>
* Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
* Bruno Flávio <br...@apache.org>
* Bruno Souza <br...@apache.org>
* Christian Lenz <ch...@apache.org>
* Constantin Drabo <pa...@apache.org>
* David Heffelfinger <dh...@apache.org>
* Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
* Dusan Balek <db...@apache.org>
* Eirik Bakke <eb...@apache.org>
* Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>
* Emmanuel Hugonnet <eh...@apache.org>
* Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>
* Florian Vogler <fv...@apache.org>
* Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
* Glenn Holmer <gh...@apache.org>
* Ivar Grimstad <iv...@apache.org>
* James Gosling <ja...@apache.org>
* Jan Lahoda <jl...@apache.org>
* Jan Pirek <jp...@apache.org>
* Jaroslav Tulach <jt...@apache.org>
* Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@apache.org>
* Jiří Kovalský <jk...@apache.org>
* Joerg Michelberger <jm...@apache.org>
* Johan Vos <jo...@apache.org>
* John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org>
* John McDonnell <jo...@apache.org>
* Josh Juneau <ja...@apache.org>
* José Pereda <jp...@apache.org>
* Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@apache.org>
* Kirk Pepperdine <ki...@apache.org>
* Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@apache.org>
* Laszlo Kishalmi <lk...@apache.org>
* Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org>
* Mark Stephens <ma...@apache.org>
* Mark Struberg <st...@apache.org>
* Martin Entlicher <en...@apache.org>
* Martin Klähn <mk...@apache.org>
* Matthias Bläsing <ma...@apache.org>
* Michael Müller <mu...@apache.org>
* Michael Nascimento <mi...@apache.org>
* Michel Graciano <mg...@apache.org>
* Milos Kleint <mk...@apache.org>
* Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
* Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ra...@apache.org>
* Reema Taneja <rt...@apache.org>
* Shai Almog <co...@apache.org>
* Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org>
* Svatopluk Dedic <sd...@apache.org>
* Sven Reimers <sr...@apache.org>
* Thilina Ranathunga <th...@apache.org>
* Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org>
* Tomas Mysik <tm...@apache.org>
* Tomas Zezula <tz...@apache.org>
* Tushar Joshi <tu...@apache.org>
* Vladimir Voskresensky <vl...@apache.org>
* Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org>
* Zoran Sevarac <se...@apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be appointed
to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in accordance
with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked with the
migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans podling; and
be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
discharged.
Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:45 AM Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Just curious where are the “standard ASF guidelines” mentioned for reference?..
I meant "bylaws", sorry, here:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws
And also https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html
-Bertrand
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Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to
TLP
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Just curious where are the “standard ASF guidelines” mentioned for reference?
Eric Bresie
Ebresie@gmail.com
> On April 3, 2019 at 2:39:39 AM CDT, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Looks like that whole paragraph will be removed based in Bertrand's and
> Jan's earlier comments.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:20 PM Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What about changing:
> >
> > "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> > development and increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; "
> >
> > To
> >
> > "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache
> > NetBeans Project subject to the Bylaws of the Foundation; "?
> >
> > I'm somewhat concerned about asking our future Vicepresident to "serve
> > ... subject to ... the Bylaws of the Foundation" and not to ask the PMC
> > to do the same.
> >
> > That looks unfair to me! :-D
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> >
> > El 2/4/19 a las 16:54, Bertrand Delacretaz escribió:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!
> > >
> > > With one paragraph to remove:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > > ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is
> > tasked with
> > > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> > and
> > > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> > further...
> > >
> > > We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
> > > community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
> > > lean on the standard ASF guidelines.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Looks like that whole paragraph will be removed based in Bertrand's and
Jan's earlier comments.
Gj
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:20 PM Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What about changing:
>
> "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> development and increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; "
>
> To
>
> "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache
> NetBeans Project subject to the Bylaws of the Foundation; "?
>
> I'm somewhat concerned about asking our future Vicepresident to "serve
> ... subject to ... the Bylaws of the Foundation" and not to ask the PMC
> to do the same.
>
> That looks unfair to me! :-D
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
>
>
> El 2/4/19 a las 16:54, Bertrand Delacretaz escribió:
> > Hi,
> >
> > the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!
> >
> > With one paragraph to remove:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with
> >> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and
> >> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> further...
> >
> > We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
> > community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
> > lean on the standard ASF guidelines.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi all,
What about changing:
"RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
development and increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; "
To
"RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache
NetBeans Project subject to the Bylaws of the Foundation; "?
I'm somewhat concerned about asking our future Vicepresident to "serve
... subject to ... the Bylaws of the Foundation" and not to ask the PMC
to do the same.
That looks unfair to me! :-D
Cheers,
Antonio
El 2/4/19 a las 16:54, Bertrand Delacretaz escribió:
> Hi,
>
> the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!
>
> With one paragraph to remove:
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
>> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
>> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further...
>
> We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
> community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
> lean on the standard ASF guidelines.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!
With one paragraph to remove:
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further...
We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
lean on the standard ASF guidelines.
-Bertrand
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Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
I think we’re broad enough as it is. The NetBeans umbrella is broad and
everything we do is a derivative or an extension of some kind of NetBeans
API.
Gh
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 20:40, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
> > > -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
> > > include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
> > > "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
> > > or, if that is too general:
> > > "providing a development environment" => "providing development
> > environment
> > > and related tools"
> > > ?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application
> > framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we
> > do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of
> > responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what
> we
> > do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to
> the
> > development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true
> > for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc.
> >
> > But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think
> > we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and
> > 'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could
> become
> > too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is,
> > let's not make it even harder. :-)
> >
>
> OK, I am not insisting on this much, just trying to ensure that we have
> something broad enough to cover our activities.
>
> I was considering HTML4J, but that fits under the "application framework",
> no?
>
> Jan
>
> Just my 2c.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> >
> > > The section on "bylaws":
> > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > with
> > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> > and
> > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> further
> > >
> > > Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
> > > resolutions on other projects).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
> > > >
> > > > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> > > > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our
> > > roster[3],
> > > > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to
> > graduate[4],
> > > > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the
> very
> > > > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> > > > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> > > > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator
> to
> > > > become an Apache top level project.
> > > >
> > > > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> > > > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially
> before
> > > > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> > > > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection
> of
> > > the
> > > > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates
> > from
> > > > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors
> > > voted
> > > > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
> > > >
> > > > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having
> > pointed
> > > > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed
> and
> > > that
> > > > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
> > > >
> > > > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will
> > begin
> > > on
> > > > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> > > > there,
> > > > that includes the resolution.
> > > >
> > > > Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > 1.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > 2.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
> > > >
> > > > 3.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
> > > >
> > > > 4.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > 5.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > 6.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------
> > > >
> > > > Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
> > > >
> > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of
> > > the
> > > > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a
> > > > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > of
> > > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > related
> > > > to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and
> > application
> > > > framework.
> > > >
> > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > (PMC),
> > > > to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is
> > > established
> > > > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is
> responsible
> > > for
> > > > the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a
> > > development
> > > > environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it
> > > further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and
> > > > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > > direction
> > > > of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans
> Project,
> > > and
> > > > to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within
> > the
> > > > scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> > further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans
> > Project:
> > > >
> > > > * Anton Epple <mo...@apache.org>
> > > > * Antonio Vieiro <vi...@apache.org>
> > > > * Aristides Villarreal <av...@apache.org>
> > > > * Arunava Sinha <ar...@apache.org>
> > > > * Ate Douma <at...@apache.org>
> > > > * Attila Kelemen <ke...@apache.org>
> > > > * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> > > > * Bruno Flávio <br...@apache.org>
> > > > * Bruno Souza <br...@apache.org>
> > > > * Christian Lenz <ch...@apache.org>
> > > > * Constantin Drabo <pa...@apache.org>
> > > > * David Heffelfinger <dh...@apache.org>
> > > > * Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> > > > * Dusan Balek <db...@apache.org>
> > > > * Eirik Bakke <eb...@apache.org>
> > > > * Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>
> > > > * Emmanuel Hugonnet <eh...@apache.org>
> > > > * Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>
> > > > * Florian Vogler <fv...@apache.org>
> > > > * Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> > > > * Glenn Holmer <gh...@apache.org>
> > > > * Ivar Grimstad <iv...@apache.org>
> > > > * James Gosling <ja...@apache.org>
> > > > * Jan Lahoda <jl...@apache.org>
> > > > * Jan Pirek <jp...@apache.org>
> > > > * Jaroslav Tulach <jt...@apache.org>
> > > > * Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@apache.org>
> > > > * Jiří Kovalský <jk...@apache.org>
> > > > * Joerg Michelberger <jm...@apache.org>
> > > > * Johan Vos <jo...@apache.org>
> > > > * John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org>
> > > > * John McDonnell <jo...@apache.org>
> > > > * Josh Juneau <ja...@apache.org>
> > > > * José Pereda <jp...@apache.org>
> > > > * Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@apache.org>
> > > > * Kirk Pepperdine <ki...@apache.org>
> > > > * Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@apache.org>
> > > > * Laszlo Kishalmi <lk...@apache.org>
> > > > * Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org>
> > > > * Mark Stephens <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > * Mark Struberg <st...@apache.org>
> > > > * Martin Entlicher <en...@apache.org>
> > > > * Martin Klähn <mk...@apache.org>
> > > > * Matthias Bläsing <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > * Michael Müller <mu...@apache.org>
> > > > * Michael Nascimento <mi...@apache.org>
> > > > * Michel Graciano <mg...@apache.org>
> > > > * Milos Kleint <mk...@apache.org>
> > > > * Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> > > > * Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ra...@apache.org>
> > > > * Reema Taneja <rt...@apache.org>
> > > > * Shai Almog <co...@apache.org>
> > > > * Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org>
> > > > * Svatopluk Dedic <sd...@apache.org>
> > > > * Sven Reimers <sr...@apache.org>
> > > > * Thilina Ranathunga <th...@apache.org>
> > > > * Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org>
> > > > * Tomas Mysik <tm...@apache.org>
> > > > * Tomas Zezula <tz...@apache.org>
> > > > * Tushar Joshi <tu...@apache.org>
> > > > * Vladimir Voskresensky <vl...@apache.org>
> > > > * Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org>
> > > > * Zoran Sevarac <se...@apache.org>
> > > >
> > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be
> > > appointed
> > > > to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in
> > accordance
> > > > with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the
> > > Bylaws
> > > > of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> > > > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
> further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is
> tasked
> > > with
> > > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> development
> > > and
> > > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> > further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked
> with
> > > the
> > > > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans
> podling;
> > > and
> > > > be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator
> > > > NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
> hereafter
> > > > discharged.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
> > -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
> > include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
> > "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
> > or, if that is too general:
> > "providing a development environment" => "providing development
> environment
> > and related tools"
> > ?
> >
> >
>
> I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application
> framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we
> do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what we
> do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to the
> development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true
> for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc.
>
> But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think
> we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and
> 'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could become
> too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is,
> let's not make it even harder. :-)
>
OK, I am not insisting on this much, just trying to ensure that we have
something broad enough to cover our activities.
I was considering HTML4J, but that fits under the "application framework",
no?
Jan
Just my 2c.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> > The section on "bylaws":
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with
> > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and
> > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
> >
> > Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
> > resolutions on other projects).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
> > >
> > > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> > > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our
> > roster[3],
> > > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to
> graduate[4],
> > > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
> > > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> > > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> > > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
> > > become an Apache top level project.
> > >
> > > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> > > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
> > > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> > > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of
> > the
> > > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates
> from
> > > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors
> > voted
> > > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
> > >
> > > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having
> pointed
> > > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and
> > that
> > > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
> > >
> > > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will
> begin
> > on
> > > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> > > there,
> > > that includes the resolution.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > 1.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 2.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
> > >
> > > 3.
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
> > >
> > > 4.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 5.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 6.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> > >
> > > ---------------------
> > >
> > > Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the
> > > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> > > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of
> > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > related
> > > to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and
> application
> > > framework.
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > (PMC),
> > > to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is
> > established
> > > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is responsible
> > for
> > > the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a
> > development
> > > environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it
> > further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and
> > > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > direction
> > > of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans Project,
> > and
> > > to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within
> the
> > > scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans
> Project:
> > >
> > > * Anton Epple <mo...@apache.org>
> > > * Antonio Vieiro <vi...@apache.org>
> > > * Aristides Villarreal <av...@apache.org>
> > > * Arunava Sinha <ar...@apache.org>
> > > * Ate Douma <at...@apache.org>
> > > * Attila Kelemen <ke...@apache.org>
> > > * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> > > * Bruno Flávio <br...@apache.org>
> > > * Bruno Souza <br...@apache.org>
> > > * Christian Lenz <ch...@apache.org>
> > > * Constantin Drabo <pa...@apache.org>
> > > * David Heffelfinger <dh...@apache.org>
> > > * Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> > > * Dusan Balek <db...@apache.org>
> > > * Eirik Bakke <eb...@apache.org>
> > > * Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>
> > > * Emmanuel Hugonnet <eh...@apache.org>
> > > * Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>
> > > * Florian Vogler <fv...@apache.org>
> > > * Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> > > * Glenn Holmer <gh...@apache.org>
> > > * Ivar Grimstad <iv...@apache.org>
> > > * James Gosling <ja...@apache.org>
> > > * Jan Lahoda <jl...@apache.org>
> > > * Jan Pirek <jp...@apache.org>
> > > * Jaroslav Tulach <jt...@apache.org>
> > > * Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@apache.org>
> > > * Jiří Kovalský <jk...@apache.org>
> > > * Joerg Michelberger <jm...@apache.org>
> > > * Johan Vos <jo...@apache.org>
> > > * John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org>
> > > * John McDonnell <jo...@apache.org>
> > > * Josh Juneau <ja...@apache.org>
> > > * José Pereda <jp...@apache.org>
> > > * Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@apache.org>
> > > * Kirk Pepperdine <ki...@apache.org>
> > > * Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@apache.org>
> > > * Laszlo Kishalmi <lk...@apache.org>
> > > * Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org>
> > > * Mark Stephens <ma...@apache.org>
> > > * Mark Struberg <st...@apache.org>
> > > * Martin Entlicher <en...@apache.org>
> > > * Martin Klähn <mk...@apache.org>
> > > * Matthias Bläsing <ma...@apache.org>
> > > * Michael Müller <mu...@apache.org>
> > > * Michael Nascimento <mi...@apache.org>
> > > * Michel Graciano <mg...@apache.org>
> > > * Milos Kleint <mk...@apache.org>
> > > * Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> > > * Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ra...@apache.org>
> > > * Reema Taneja <rt...@apache.org>
> > > * Shai Almog <co...@apache.org>
> > > * Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org>
> > > * Svatopluk Dedic <sd...@apache.org>
> > > * Sven Reimers <sr...@apache.org>
> > > * Thilina Ranathunga <th...@apache.org>
> > > * Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org>
> > > * Tomas Mysik <tm...@apache.org>
> > > * Tomas Zezula <tz...@apache.org>
> > > * Tushar Joshi <tu...@apache.org>
> > > * Vladimir Voskresensky <vl...@apache.org>
> > > * Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org>
> > > * Zoran Sevarac <se...@apache.org>
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be
> > appointed
> > > to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in
> accordance
> > > with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the
> > Bylaws
> > > of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> > > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > with
> > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> > and
> > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked with
> > the
> > > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans podling;
> > and
> > > be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> > > NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> > > discharged.
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
> -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
> include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
> "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
> or, if that is too general:
> "providing a development environment" => "providing development environment
> and related tools"
> ?
>
>
I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application
framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we
do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what we
do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to the
development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true
for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc.
But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think
we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and
'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could become
too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is,
let's not make it even harder. :-)
Just my 2c.
Gj
> The section on "bylaws":
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
>
> Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
> resolutions on other projects).
>
> Thanks,
> Jan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
> >
> > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our
> roster[3],
> > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to graduate[4],
> > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
> > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
> > become an Apache top level project.
> >
> > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
> > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of
> the
> > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates from
> > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors
> voted
> > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
> >
> > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having pointed
> > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and
> that
> > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
> >
> > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will begin
> on
> > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> > there,
> > that includes the resolution.
> >
> > Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > 1.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 2.
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
> >
> > 3.
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
> >
> > 4.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 5.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 6.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> > Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the
> > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related
> > to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and application
> > framework.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC),
> > to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is
> established
> > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is responsible
> for
> > the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a
> development
> > environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it
> further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and
> > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction
> > of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans Project,
> and
> > to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> > scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans Project:
> >
> > * Anton Epple <mo...@apache.org>
> > * Antonio Vieiro <vi...@apache.org>
> > * Aristides Villarreal <av...@apache.org>
> > * Arunava Sinha <ar...@apache.org>
> > * Ate Douma <at...@apache.org>
> > * Attila Kelemen <ke...@apache.org>
> > * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> > * Bruno Flávio <br...@apache.org>
> > * Bruno Souza <br...@apache.org>
> > * Christian Lenz <ch...@apache.org>
> > * Constantin Drabo <pa...@apache.org>
> > * David Heffelfinger <dh...@apache.org>
> > * Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> > * Dusan Balek <db...@apache.org>
> > * Eirik Bakke <eb...@apache.org>
> > * Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>
> > * Emmanuel Hugonnet <eh...@apache.org>
> > * Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>
> > * Florian Vogler <fv...@apache.org>
> > * Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> > * Glenn Holmer <gh...@apache.org>
> > * Ivar Grimstad <iv...@apache.org>
> > * James Gosling <ja...@apache.org>
> > * Jan Lahoda <jl...@apache.org>
> > * Jan Pirek <jp...@apache.org>
> > * Jaroslav Tulach <jt...@apache.org>
> > * Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@apache.org>
> > * Jiří Kovalský <jk...@apache.org>
> > * Joerg Michelberger <jm...@apache.org>
> > * Johan Vos <jo...@apache.org>
> > * John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org>
> > * John McDonnell <jo...@apache.org>
> > * Josh Juneau <ja...@apache.org>
> > * José Pereda <jp...@apache.org>
> > * Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@apache.org>
> > * Kirk Pepperdine <ki...@apache.org>
> > * Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@apache.org>
> > * Laszlo Kishalmi <lk...@apache.org>
> > * Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org>
> > * Mark Stephens <ma...@apache.org>
> > * Mark Struberg <st...@apache.org>
> > * Martin Entlicher <en...@apache.org>
> > * Martin Klähn <mk...@apache.org>
> > * Matthias Bläsing <ma...@apache.org>
> > * Michael Müller <mu...@apache.org>
> > * Michael Nascimento <mi...@apache.org>
> > * Michel Graciano <mg...@apache.org>
> > * Milos Kleint <mk...@apache.org>
> > * Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> > * Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ra...@apache.org>
> > * Reema Taneja <rt...@apache.org>
> > * Shai Almog <co...@apache.org>
> > * Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org>
> > * Svatopluk Dedic <sd...@apache.org>
> > * Sven Reimers <sr...@apache.org>
> > * Thilina Ranathunga <th...@apache.org>
> > * Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org>
> > * Tomas Mysik <tm...@apache.org>
> > * Tomas Zezula <tz...@apache.org>
> > * Tushar Joshi <tu...@apache.org>
> > * Vladimir Voskresensky <vl...@apache.org>
> > * Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org>
> > * Zoran Sevarac <se...@apache.org>
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be
> appointed
> > to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in accordance
> > with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the
> Bylaws
> > of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with
> > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and
> > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked with
> the
> > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans podling;
> and
> > be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> > NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> > discharged.
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
-would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
"providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
or, if that is too general:
"providing a development environment" => "providing development environment
and related tools"
?
The section on "bylaws":
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
resolutions on other projects).
Thanks,
Jan
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
>
> Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our roster[3],
> notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to graduate[4],
> voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
> next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
> become an Apache top level project.
>
> Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
> commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of the
> size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates from
> the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors voted
> to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
>
> Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having pointed
> out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and that
> simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
>
> The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will begin on
> general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> there,
> that includes the resolution.
>
> Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> 1.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 2.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
>
> 3.
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
>
> 4.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>
> 5.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 6.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
> ---------------------
>
> Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
> Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and application
> framework.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a development
> environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans Project, and
> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans Project:
>
> * Anton Epple <mo...@apache.org>
> * Antonio Vieiro <vi...@apache.org>
> * Aristides Villarreal <av...@apache.org>
> * Arunava Sinha <ar...@apache.org>
> * Ate Douma <at...@apache.org>
> * Attila Kelemen <ke...@apache.org>
> * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> * Bruno Flávio <br...@apache.org>
> * Bruno Souza <br...@apache.org>
> * Christian Lenz <ch...@apache.org>
> * Constantin Drabo <pa...@apache.org>
> * David Heffelfinger <dh...@apache.org>
> * Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> * Dusan Balek <db...@apache.org>
> * Eirik Bakke <eb...@apache.org>
> * Emilian Bold <em...@apache.org>
> * Emmanuel Hugonnet <eh...@apache.org>
> * Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>
> * Florian Vogler <fv...@apache.org>
> * Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> * Glenn Holmer <gh...@apache.org>
> * Ivar Grimstad <iv...@apache.org>
> * James Gosling <ja...@apache.org>
> * Jan Lahoda <jl...@apache.org>
> * Jan Pirek <jp...@apache.org>
> * Jaroslav Tulach <jt...@apache.org>
> * Jean-Marc Borer <jm...@apache.org>
> * Jiří Kovalský <jk...@apache.org>
> * Joerg Michelberger <jm...@apache.org>
> * Johan Vos <jo...@apache.org>
> * John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org>
> * John McDonnell <jo...@apache.org>
> * Josh Juneau <ja...@apache.org>
> * José Pereda <jp...@apache.org>
> * Junichi Yamamoto <ju...@apache.org>
> * Kirk Pepperdine <ki...@apache.org>
> * Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@apache.org>
> * Laszlo Kishalmi <lk...@apache.org>
> * Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org>
> * Mark Stephens <ma...@apache.org>
> * Mark Struberg <st...@apache.org>
> * Martin Entlicher <en...@apache.org>
> * Martin Klähn <mk...@apache.org>
> * Matthias Bläsing <ma...@apache.org>
> * Michael Müller <mu...@apache.org>
> * Michael Nascimento <mi...@apache.org>
> * Michel Graciano <mg...@apache.org>
> * Milos Kleint <mk...@apache.org>
> * Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> * Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ra...@apache.org>
> * Reema Taneja <rt...@apache.org>
> * Shai Almog <co...@apache.org>
> * Simon Phipps <we...@apache.org>
> * Svatopluk Dedic <sd...@apache.org>
> * Sven Reimers <sr...@apache.org>
> * Thilina Ranathunga <th...@apache.org>
> * Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org>
> * Tomas Mysik <tm...@apache.org>
> * Tomas Zezula <tz...@apache.org>
> * Tushar Joshi <tu...@apache.org>
> * Vladimir Voskresensky <vl...@apache.org>
> * Wade Chandler <wa...@apache.org>
> * Zoran Sevarac <se...@apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be appointed
> to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in accordance
> with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
> of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans podling; and
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> discharged.
>