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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by daz <da...@feb17.org> on 2012/03/14 06:05:52 UTC
svn@feb17.org
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Philip Martin
> <ph...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> > svn@feb17.org writes:
> >
> >> A little more information on this. I have probably rebuilt svn about 20 times tonight from scratch, with
Thanks to everyone who contributed useful clues on this. Using the current code tree and rebuilding with different versions and combinations of libraries I narrowed the problem down to the apr version. Either the build of my earlier apr 1.3.9 or the version itself was the problem. The test suite was super helpful and the explanation about XFAIL vs FAIL. I have a build using apr 1.4.6 that passes all the tests it should pass and more importantly actually works. It might be helpful to print a reminder at the end of the default make step suggesting running the tests if this is a common problem. There are a lot of dependencies and some of them seem to be a bit finicky.
Thanks!
Darren
Re: Open mailing lists
Posted by sv...@feb17.org.
Yes again sorry this is probably the wrong place to opine on this topic.
I generally use disposable email addresses but accidentally used a
permanent long term address at one point, otherwise I'd just have
cut off the bleeding there. I don't think it's easy for everyone to
generate lots of disposable addresses.
If there's any way of nuking this page, it would be appreciated
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/subversion-dev/201203.mbox/raw/%3C20120314050552.GM5198@clowder.feb17.org%3E
It doesn't appear to have been replicated yet.
I'm really sorry to disrupt the svn discussion. I've
joined two open source mailing lists and been spammed as a result 100% of the
time, so it's buyer beware. I think it would be wonderful if someone looked at the
list serve infrastructure and made it safer. This feels like telnet circa 1995,
Adieu and thanks for listening,
Darren
> Nearly all open-source projects rely on email communications, and most
> are publicly archived in >1 places.
>
> You could use auto-expiring email addresses (for example,
> address-$((1+$(date +%Y%m%d)))@domain) --- they are still valid but
> pretty useless for spammers.
>
> > Sorry,
> >
> > Darren
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Darren,
> > > >
> > > > Over a dozen sites mirror our archives, usually by grabbing our published
> > > > mbox for the list. As a result, we cannot control how they publish the email
> > > > addresses contained within. It is also important for those mboxes to retain
> > > > the email addresses for archival purposes, and so those third-party systems
> > > > can allow proper replies (hopefully, only by humans, but as you've
> > > > discovered... they are not all perfect).
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for any inconvenience, but please don't blame us. We do try to respect
> > > > your privacy in our own web archive system.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > -g
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 18, 2012 5:10 AM, <sv...@feb17.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Less than 2 months after using this mailing list I've started getting spam
> > > >> to the custom email address I used to post here. I think it's terrible
> > > >> practice to openly publish email addresses in easily harvestable form. I'll
> > > >> be /dev/nulling this address and unsubscribing. I hope you could reconsider
> > > >> that policy,
> > > >>
> > > >> Darren
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:05:52PM -0700, daz wrote:
> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> > > >> > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Philip Martin
> > > >> > > <ph...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > svn@feb17.org writes:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >> A little more information on this. I have probably rebuilt svn
> > > >> > > >> about 20 times tonight from scratch, with
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks to everyone who contributed useful clues on this. Using the
> > > >> > current code tree and rebuilding with different versions and combinations of
> > > >> > libraries I narrowed the problem down to the apr version. Either the build
> > > >> > of my earlier apr 1.3.9 or the version itself was the problem. The test
> > > >> > suite was super helpful and the explanation about XFAIL vs FAIL. I have a
> > > >> > build using apr 1.4.6 that passes all the tests it should pass and more
> > > >> > importantly actually works. It might be helpful to print a reminder at
> > > >> > the end of the default make step suggesting running the tests if this is a
> > > >> > common problem. There are a lot of dependencies and some of them seem to be
> > > >> > a bit finicky.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks!
> > > >> > Darren
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > uberSVN: Apache Subversion Made Easy
> > > http://www.uberSVN.com/
Re: Open mailing lists
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
svn@feb17.org wrote on Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 07:16:01 -0700:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 06:14:30AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> > It should also be pointed out that a spammer could easily subscribe
> > directly to the list and get all the address information that way,
> > completely by passing any archives.
> >
> > For completeness, the ASF's public archive policy, which we adhere to,
> > is here: http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
> >
> > Best,
> > -Hyrum
>
> At least that's a tiny bit more work for them to sign up for every email
> list serve in the world. Harvesting openly published email addresses is
> just too easy. They would ideally never appear anywhere in the first
> place so they couldn't be mirrored. I understand your constrants but
> I still think this is appalling from an engineering point of view and
> won't participate if it means leaving a please spam me trail behind me.
Nearly all open-source projects rely on email communications, and most
are publicly archived in >1 places.
You could use auto-expiring email addresses (for example,
address-$((1+$(date +%Y%m%d)))@domain) --- they are still valid but
pretty useless for spammers.
> Sorry,
>
> Darren
>
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Darren,
> > >
> > > Over a dozen sites mirror our archives, usually by grabbing our published
> > > mbox for the list. As a result, we cannot control how they publish the email
> > > addresses contained within. It is also important for those mboxes to retain
> > > the email addresses for archival purposes, and so those third-party systems
> > > can allow proper replies (hopefully, only by humans, but as you've
> > > discovered... they are not all perfect).
> > >
> > > Sorry for any inconvenience, but please don't blame us. We do try to respect
> > > your privacy in our own web archive system.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -g
> > >
> > > On Jun 18, 2012 5:10 AM, <sv...@feb17.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Less than 2 months after using this mailing list I've started getting spam
> > >> to the custom email address I used to post here. I think it's terrible
> > >> practice to openly publish email addresses in easily harvestable form. I'll
> > >> be /dev/nulling this address and unsubscribing. I hope you could reconsider
> > >> that policy,
> > >>
> > >> Darren
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:05:52PM -0700, daz wrote:
> > >> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> > >> > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Philip Martin
> > >> > > <ph...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > svn@feb17.org writes:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> A little more information on this. I have probably rebuilt svn
> > >> > > >> about 20 times tonight from scratch, with
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks to everyone who contributed useful clues on this. Using the
> > >> > current code tree and rebuilding with different versions and combinations of
> > >> > libraries I narrowed the problem down to the apr version. Either the build
> > >> > of my earlier apr 1.3.9 or the version itself was the problem. The test
> > >> > suite was super helpful and the explanation about XFAIL vs FAIL. I have a
> > >> > build using apr 1.4.6 that passes all the tests it should pass and more
> > >> > importantly actually works. It might be helpful to print a reminder at
> > >> > the end of the default make step suggesting running the tests if this is a
> > >> > common problem. There are a lot of dependencies and some of them seem to be
> > >> > a bit finicky.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks!
> > >> > Darren
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > uberSVN: Apache Subversion Made Easy
> > http://www.uberSVN.com/
Re: Open mailing lists
Posted by sv...@feb17.org.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 06:14:30AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> It should also be pointed out that a spammer could easily subscribe
> directly to the list and get all the address information that way,
> completely by passing any archives.
>
> For completeness, the ASF's public archive policy, which we adhere to,
> is here: http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>
> Best,
> -Hyrum
At least that's a tiny bit more work for them to sign up for every email
list serve in the world. Harvesting openly published email addresses is
just too easy. They would ideally never appear anywhere in the first
place so they couldn't be mirrored. I understand your constrants but
I still think this is appalling from an engineering point of view and
won't participate if it means leaving a please spam me trail behind me.
Sorry,
Darren
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Darren,
> >
> > Over a dozen sites mirror our archives, usually by grabbing our published
> > mbox for the list. As a result, we cannot control how they publish the email
> > addresses contained within. It is also important for those mboxes to retain
> > the email addresses for archival purposes, and so those third-party systems
> > can allow proper replies (hopefully, only by humans, but as you've
> > discovered... they are not all perfect).
> >
> > Sorry for any inconvenience, but please don't blame us. We do try to respect
> > your privacy in our own web archive system.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >
> > On Jun 18, 2012 5:10 AM, <sv...@feb17.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Less than 2 months after using this mailing list I've started getting spam
> >> to the custom email address I used to post here. I think it's terrible
> >> practice to openly publish email addresses in easily harvestable form. I'll
> >> be /dev/nulling this address and unsubscribing. I hope you could reconsider
> >> that policy,
> >>
> >> Darren
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:05:52PM -0700, daz wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> >> > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Philip Martin
> >> > > <ph...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> >> > > > svn@feb17.org writes:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> A little more information on this. I have probably rebuilt svn
> >> > > >> about 20 times tonight from scratch, with
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to everyone who contributed useful clues on this. Using the
> >> > current code tree and rebuilding with different versions and combinations of
> >> > libraries I narrowed the problem down to the apr version. Either the build
> >> > of my earlier apr 1.3.9 or the version itself was the problem. The test
> >> > suite was super helpful and the explanation about XFAIL vs FAIL. I have a
> >> > build using apr 1.4.6 that passes all the tests it should pass and more
> >> > importantly actually works. It might be helpful to print a reminder at
> >> > the end of the default make step suggesting running the tests if this is a
> >> > common problem. There are a lot of dependencies and some of them seem to be
> >> > a bit finicky.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > Darren
>
>
>
> --
>
> uberSVN: Apache Subversion Made Easy
> http://www.uberSVN.com/
Re: Open mailing lists
Posted by Hyrum K Wright <hy...@wandisco.com>.
It should also be pointed out that a spammer could easily subscribe
directly to the list and get all the address information that way,
completely by passing any archives.
For completeness, the ASF's public archive policy, which we adhere to,
is here: http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
Best,
-Hyrum
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Darren,
>
> Over a dozen sites mirror our archives, usually by grabbing our published
> mbox for the list. As a result, we cannot control how they publish the email
> addresses contained within. It is also important for those mboxes to retain
> the email addresses for archival purposes, and so those third-party systems
> can allow proper replies (hopefully, only by humans, but as you've
> discovered... they are not all perfect).
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience, but please don't blame us. We do try to respect
> your privacy in our own web archive system.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> On Jun 18, 2012 5:10 AM, <sv...@feb17.org> wrote:
>>
>> Less than 2 months after using this mailing list I've started getting spam
>> to the custom email address I used to post here. I think it's terrible
>> practice to openly publish email addresses in easily harvestable form. I'll
>> be /dev/nulling this address and unsubscribing. I hope you could reconsider
>> that policy,
>>
>> Darren
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:05:52PM -0700, daz wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
>> > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Philip Martin
>> > > <ph...@wandisco.com> wrote:
>> > > > svn@feb17.org writes:
>> > > >
>> > > >> A little more information on this. I have probably rebuilt svn
>> > > >> about 20 times tonight from scratch, with
>> >
>> > Thanks to everyone who contributed useful clues on this. Using the
>> > current code tree and rebuilding with different versions and combinations of
>> > libraries I narrowed the problem down to the apr version. Either the build
>> > of my earlier apr 1.3.9 or the version itself was the problem. The test
>> > suite was super helpful and the explanation about XFAIL vs FAIL. I have a
>> > build using apr 1.4.6 that passes all the tests it should pass and more
>> > importantly actually works. It might be helpful to print a reminder at
>> > the end of the default make step suggesting running the tests if this is a
>> > common problem. There are a lot of dependencies and some of them seem to be
>> > a bit finicky.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Darren
--
uberSVN: Apache Subversion Made Easy
http://www.uberSVN.com/
Re: Open mailing lists
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Darren,
Over a dozen sites mirror our archives, usually by grabbing our published
mbox for the list. As a result, we cannot control how they publish the
email addresses contained within. It is also important for those mboxes to
retain the email addresses for archival purposes, and so those third-party
systems can allow proper replies (hopefully, only by humans, but as you've
discovered... they are not all perfect).
Sorry for any inconvenience, but please don't blame us. We do try to
respect your privacy in our own web archive system.
Cheers,
-g
On Jun 18, 2012 5:10 AM, <sv...@feb17.org> wrote:
> Less than 2 months after using this mailing list I've started getting spam
> to the custom email address I used to post here. I think it's terrible
> practice to openly publish email addresses in easily harvestable form.
> I'll be /dev/nulling this address and unsubscribing. I hope you could
> reconsider that policy,
>
> Darren
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:05:52PM -0700, daz wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Philip Martin
> > > <ph...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> > > > svn@feb17.org writes:
> > > >
> > > >> A little more information on this. I have probably rebuilt svn
> about 20 times tonight from scratch, with
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who contributed useful clues on this. Using the
> current code tree and rebuilding with different versions and combinations
> of libraries I narrowed the problem down to the apr version. Either the
> build of my earlier apr 1.3.9 or the version itself was the problem. The
> test suite was super helpful and the explanation about XFAIL vs FAIL. I
> have a build using apr 1.4.6 that passes all the tests it should pass and
> more importantly actually works. It might be helpful to print a reminder
> at the end of the default make step suggesting running the tests if this is
> a common problem. There are a lot of dependencies and some of them seem to
> be a bit finicky.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Darren
>
Open mailing lists
Posted by sv...@feb17.org.
Less than 2 months after using this mailing list I've started getting spam to the custom email address I used to post here. I think it's terrible practice to openly publish email addresses in easily harvestable form. I'll be /dev/nulling this address and unsubscribing. I hope you could reconsider that policy,
Darren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:05:52PM -0700, daz wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 07:58:10AM -0500, Hyrum K Wright wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Philip Martin
> > <ph...@wandisco.com> wrote:
> > > svn@feb17.org writes:
> > >
> > >> A little more information on this. I have probably rebuilt svn about 20 times tonight from scratch, with
>
> Thanks to everyone who contributed useful clues on this. Using the current code tree and rebuilding with different versions and combinations of libraries I narrowed the problem down to the apr version. Either the build of my earlier apr 1.3.9 or the version itself was the problem. The test suite was super helpful and the explanation about XFAIL vs FAIL. I have a build using apr 1.4.6 that passes all the tests it should pass and more importantly actually works. It might be helpful to print a reminder at the end of the default make step suggesting running the tests if this is a common problem. There are a lot of dependencies and some of them seem to be a bit finicky.
>
> Thanks!
> Darren