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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Sean Hamblett <sh...@charter.net> on 2003/08/06 16:52:42 UTC
Re: Names & Projects
Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
plane?
Sean
Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote:
> On the naming front, IMHO the best we came up with for
>the same
>sort of project back in the days of Olliance was
>"Jarbanzo", but we
>eventually settled on something lame like "Enterprise App
>Server". I also
>kicked around "Orbital" (as in, it runs circles around
>XxxSphere... :)
>Geronimo isn't too bad, though it may be tricky to get
>the boss to bet the
>farm on it.
>
> On the project front, am I correct that the goal is to
>integrate
>other projects wherever possible and only build when
>strictly necessary?
>If there is going to be building going on, I assume there
>will be separate
>areas for the "core server and interfaces" and the
>various imported
>projects or "built" subprojects?
>
>Aaron
>
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Re: Origins of Geronimo
Posted by Richard Monson-Haefel <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>.
How on earth is Geronimo politically incorrect? The Apache project honors a
great people. Geronimo honors one of their great leaders. If you want to
understand why Geronimo was a great man, read about him. I think once you do
you'll change your mind.
Andy Barnett wrote:
> What do you mean "also politically incorrect"? Is naming a project after
> something you yell when you jump out of a plane politically incorrect??
>
> As for the origin of yelling "Geronimooo!" when jumping from a plane,
> see this:
>
> http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulletin_board/2/messages/175.html
>
> Personally, I think it is a very appropriate name in that context.
>
> I think someone mentioned the potential difficulties with Manger-types
> not liking the name. Frankly, I cringe every time I have to pronounce
> "Xerces" and "Xalan" when I explain what XML technologies my software
> utilizes, so "Geronimo" is no more out-there than some other things I
> use everyday.
>
> On the other hand, "Apache Geronimo", while actually historically
> accurate (Geronimo really was an Apache indian), it just feels
> politically incorrect from a Native American standpoint.
>
> Cheers,
> ~Andy
>
> On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 10:15, Danny Angus wrote:
> > > Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
> > > plane?
> >
> > By which token Banzai! would also be politically incorrect.. ;-)
> >
> > d.
>
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Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
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Origins of Geronimo
Posted by Andy Barnett <ab...@cantilevertech.com>.
What do you mean "also politically incorrect"? Is naming a project after
something you yell when you jump out of a plane politically incorrect??
As for the origin of yelling "Geronimooo!" when jumping from a plane,
see this:
http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulletin_board/2/messages/175.html
Personally, I think it is a very appropriate name in that context.
I think someone mentioned the potential difficulties with Manger-types
not liking the name. Frankly, I cringe every time I have to pronounce
"Xerces" and "Xalan" when I explain what XML technologies my software
utilizes, so "Geronimo" is no more out-there than some other things I
use everyday.
On the other hand, "Apache Geronimo", while actually historically
accurate (Geronimo really was an Apache indian), it just feels
politically incorrect from a Native American standpoint.
Cheers,
~Andy
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 10:15, Danny Angus wrote:
> > Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
> > plane?
>
> By which token Banzai! would also be politically incorrect.. ;-)
>
> d.
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RE: Names & Projects
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
> Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
> plane?
By which token Banzai! would also be politically incorrect.. ;-)
d.
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Re: Names & Projects
Posted by Norm Rupp <no...@coredevelopers.net>.
Geronimo was the nickname given to Goyathlay of the Bedonkohe Apache by the
Mexican government in the late 1800s. It's spanish for "Jerome". The man
was a celebrity in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, even
rode in Teddy Roosevelt's inaugural parade. He's probably not the best
representative of his time or his people (his charm is completely lost on
me--I grew up in Osceola, WI) and as far as names go, it could be a lot
worse. There's a company here in Minneapolis, for example, named
"Infinetivity".
I'd hate to have to design that logo : )
I'm sure once upon a time people were wary of running their sites on 'a
patchy server' as well.
Cheers,
--
N. Alex Rupp (norm@coredevelopers.net)
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From: "Aaron Mulder" <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>
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Subject: Re: Names & Projects
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Sean Hamblett wrote:
> > Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
> > plane?
>
> As I said,
>
> > > Geronimo isn't too bad, though it may be tricky to get the boss to bet
> > > the farm on it.
>
> Though I've never jumped out of a plane before, so I really
> wouldn't know. :)
>
> Aaron
>
> P.S.: http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/geronimo.html
> http://www.desertusa.com/web_cart/db/pages/3005.html
>
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RE: Names & Projects
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> I've seen a few people say, "I don't like [the name].",
> but I've seen far more say nothing at all.
Water under the bridge for now. :-)
--- Noel
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Re: Names & Projects
Posted by Richard Monson-Haefel <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>.
"Noel J. Bergman" wrote:
> > What is really interesting about the Geronimo name, which I like BTW, is
> that
> > everyone remembers it. Everyone comments on it one way or another. Its a
> good
> > name. I say we stick with it.
>
> There are plenty of other names. JEEP, JPAE (Java Platform Apache Edition),
> or whatever. There is a great deal of resistence to the use of Geronimo.
>
>
Uhh ... there is? I've seen a few people say, "I don't like it.", but I've seen
far more say nothing at all.
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RE: Names & Projects
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> What is really interesting about the Geronimo name, which I like BTW, is
that
> everyone remembers it. Everyone comments on it one way or another. Its a
good
> name. I say we stick with it.
There are plenty of other names. JEEP, JPAE (Java Platform Apache Edition),
or whatever. There is a great deal of resistence to the use of Geronimo.
--- Noel
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Re: Names & Projects
Posted by Richard Monson-Haefel <Ri...@Monson-Haefel.com>.
What is really interesting about the Geronimo name, which I like BTW, is that
everyone remembers it. Everyone comments on it one way or another. Its a good
name. I say we stick with it.
Aaron Mulder wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Sean Hamblett wrote:
> > Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
> > plane?
>
> As I said,
>
> > > Geronimo isn't too bad, though it may be tricky to get the boss to bet
> > > the farm on it.
>
> Though I've never jumped out of a plane before, so I really
> wouldn't know. :)
>
> Aaron
>
> P.S.: http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/geronimo.html
> http://www.desertusa.com/web_cart/db/pages/3005.html
>
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Author of J2EE Web Services (Addison-Wesley 2003)
Author of Enterprise JavaBeans, 3rd Edition (O'Reilly 2001)
Co-Author of Java Message Service (O'Reilly 2000)
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Re: Names & Projects
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Sean Hamblett wrote:
> Isn't Geronimo something you yell when you jump out of a
> plane?
As I said,
> > Geronimo isn't too bad, though it may be tricky to get the boss to bet
> > the farm on it.
Though I've never jumped out of a plane before, so I really
wouldn't know. :)
Aaron
P.S.: http://www.desertusa.com/ind1/geronimo.html
http://www.desertusa.com/web_cart/db/pages/3005.html
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