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Posted to qa@openoffice.apache.org by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu> on 2013/05/18 23:43:33 UTC
IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
So noticed that Steve Yin has done a merge of IA2 with trunk as rev 1484083, assuming it makes it out onto the Buildbot for tomorrow's nightly, this build will need some love from the QA side. Fortunately, it should have all of the work done on Sidebar through r1483767 so wasted effort there.
Steve, so if the buildbot remains flaky, could you (or Oliver or Ariel) put up a working dev build?
Its been quite a while since we've had a viable IA2 build to work against, and even the r1476794 currently posted is not coming up with IAccessible2 in ACCPROBE--not sure what is going on with that. But I think anyone testing the branch will need a bit of hand holding to get the test environment functional--can you please expand the tips: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Tips+for+branch+ia2
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Stuart,
Fortunately, a new build of the ia2 branch was ready. : )
The wiki was updated, and more detail actions were added. Thanks.
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:47 AM, V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>wrote:
> Sorry, horrible typo, make that
>
> ... it should have all of the work done on Sidebar through r1483767 so
> _THERE IS NO_ wasted effort there...
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Stuart,
Fortunately, a new build of the ia2 branch was ready. : )
The wiki was updated, and more detail actions were added. Thanks.
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:47 AM, V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>wrote:
> Sorry, horrible typo, make that
>
> ... it should have all of the work done on Sidebar through r1483767 so
> _THERE IS NO_ wasted effort there...
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com>.
Jamie and Stuart,
Sorry for the slowness of the IA2 development in the current phase. And I
will continue to push the IA2 dev work after the AOO 4.0 release. The
Presentation and Spreadsheet IA2 support were proposed in the next release
(AOO 4.1). Thanks a lot for your understanding. : )
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:53 PM, V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> Steve Yin and folks do not push their ia2 branch dev work out very
> frequently. But I am sure they've been moving it along. Just wish it were
> more transparent so we could catch any IAccessible2 or A11y standards
> issues
> earlier in the rework.
>
> Anyhow, the last build we had to work against was against r1484083 from May
> 18th--you have not missed anything.
>
> Simply, nothing newer has been checked back into SVN even if the buildbot
> was running to completion instead of erroring out as its done for quite
> some
> time.
>
> You can view the check-in status of the ia2 branch SVN at:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/ia2/
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
Jamie,
Steve Yin and folks do not push their ia2 branch dev work out very
frequently. But I am sure they've been moving it along. Just wish it were
more transparent so we could catch any IAccessible2 or A11y standards issues
earlier in the rework.
Anyhow, the last build we had to work against was against r1484083 from May
18th--you have not missed anything.
Simply, nothing newer has been checked back into SVN even if the buildbot
was running to completion instead of erroring out as its done for quite some
time.
You can view the check-in status of the ia2 branch SVN at:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/ia2/
Stuart
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
Jamie,
So a reboot did fix the IAccessible2 behavior of AOO ia2 branch, following
reboot I did not have to run AOO as Administrator to get IAccessible2
rendering.
I then upgraded back to NVDA 2013.1.1 and now was getting good IAccessible2
rendering with that as well.
Also, no problems before or after the reboot with navigating onto the AOO
ia2 Writer session with <ALT><TAB> movments so not sure what was happening
there for you. But I have to say that getting this build consistently
configured is a bit of a challenge. But once it is configured, it seems
pretty functional.
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for paying close attention to IA2 work! I will resume the IA2
development at the beginning of September.
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:41 PM, V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>wrote:
> Jamie,
>
>
> James Teh wrote
> > I've since discovered that I can only reproduce this if I run Writer
> > directly; i.e. via the icon named "OpenOffice Writer" in the Start Menu
> > or by running swriter.exe. If I run the main OpenOffice application
> > (i.e. the icon named "OpenOffice" in the Start Menu or soffice.exe),
> > everything works as it should, even after I select to open a new text
> > document. If I open a file associated with OpenOffice, everything works
> > correctly also.
> >
> > Can you reproduce this by running Writer directly?
>
> Yes I get exactly the same result with this r1484083 based ia2 branch
> build.
>
> Except for the swriter.exe launcher, all the other components launch
> without
> issue as does the Start Center. And like you, when Writer is launched from
> the start center, it comes up cleanly.
>
> On an initial launch from the Writer shortcut, or if running the writer.exe
> directly--the swriter.exe, soffice.exe, and soffice.bin will all run--but
> the writer session hangs. Have to manually end the writer process from
> task
> manager. A relaunch of any OpenOffice launcher or the start center panel
> results in a recovery panel that will not complete.
>
> A reset of user profile (i.e. delete %AppData%\Openffice ) is the clean way
> to return function, as edit of the XML recovery stanzas in the OpenOffice
> registrymodifications.xcu configuration file is not worth the hassle. The
> user profile will rebuild to default, and just reactivate the Tools -->
> Options --> Accessibility --> Support assistive technology tools.
>
> This issue with the writer.exe launcher is not a problem on the AOO 4.0.0
> release, so should resolve when Steve Y. rebases the ia2 branch.
> Meanwhile,
> best to simply not use the writer.exe launcher in working with the ia2
> branch.
>
> Stuart
>
>
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
Jamie,
James Teh wrote
> I've since discovered that I can only reproduce this if I run Writer
> directly; i.e. via the icon named "OpenOffice Writer" in the Start Menu
> or by running swriter.exe. If I run the main OpenOffice application
> (i.e. the icon named "OpenOffice" in the Start Menu or soffice.exe),
> everything works as it should, even after I select to open a new text
> document. If I open a file associated with OpenOffice, everything works
> correctly also.
>
> Can you reproduce this by running Writer directly?
Yes I get exactly the same result with this r1484083 based ia2 branch build.
Except for the swriter.exe launcher, all the other components launch without
issue as does the Start Center. And like you, when Writer is launched from
the start center, it comes up cleanly.
On an initial launch from the Writer shortcut, or if running the writer.exe
directly--the swriter.exe, soffice.exe, and soffice.bin will all run--but
the writer session hangs. Have to manually end the writer process from task
manager. A relaunch of any OpenOffice launcher or the start center panel
results in a recovery panel that will not complete.
A reset of user profile (i.e. delete %AppData%\Openffice ) is the clean way
to return function, as edit of the XML recovery stanzas in the OpenOffice
registrymodifications.xcu configuration file is not worth the hassle. The
user profile will rebuild to default, and just reactivate the Tools -->
Options --> Accessibility --> Support assistive technology tools.
This issue with the writer.exe launcher is not a problem on the AOO 4.0.0
release, so should resolve when Steve Y. rebases the ia2 branch. Meanwhile,
best to simply not use the writer.exe launcher in working with the ia2
branch.
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>.
On 2/08/2013 3:59 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> Also, no problems before or after the reboot with navigating onto the AOO
> ia2 Writer session with <ALT><TAB> movments so not sure what was happening
> there for you.
I've since discovered that I can only reproduce this if I run Writer
directly; i.e. via the icon named "OpenOffice Writer" in the Start Menu
or by running swriter.exe. If I run the main OpenOffice application
(i.e. the icon named "OpenOffice" in the Start Menu or soffice.exe),
everything works as it should, even after I select to open a new text
document. If I open a file associated with OpenOffice, everything works
correctly also.
Can you reproduce this by running Writer directly?
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
Jamie,
Cleared off all LibreOffice and OpenOffice and then installed the revision
1484083 ia2 branch build.
Two things jumped out:
1) I had to back out NVDA from 2013.1, and install a copy of NVDA 2012.3.1
to get useable IAccessible2 rendering
2) also, I had to run the OpenOffice ia2 branch as Administrator. If I ran
as normal user, AOO would not render with IAccessible2 and NVDA would not
parse the IAccessible2 events--everything was unknown.
Seems like before we only had to run once as Administrator to register the
.dll
But, as I had Accprobe open while running, I could follow that when I
launched AOO ia2 as an Administrator, IAccessible2 events would generate and
NVDA 2012.3.1 would sound. If not run as Administrator I would only see MSAA
renderings. And, I could not reliably get 2013.1 to sound even when
IAccessible2 was showing while run as administrator.
I'm writing this before I've rebooted, so may see some improvement in having
to run the ia2 AOO as Administrator after that.
Also, Steve had posted up some hints on handling un regsitering the
UAccCom.dll, that could be some of the issue.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Tips+for+branch+ia2
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>.
On 2/08/2013 1:49 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> I'll post an archived IA2 branch build of r1484083 up, and send you a PM for
> the ftp link a little latter.
Thanks Stuart. I got the build and installed it.
Unfortunately, I'm having some major problems with this one that I
didn't have with a build from February. When Writer starts, the main
window is invisible and isn't in the alt+tab task switcher or the
running applications bar. Furthermore, I can't see any text in the
document when I look at the object hierarchy. I can access the menus,
though. Strangely, if the document recovery dialog comes up before the
main Writer application, that works just fine; it isn't invisible, etc.
I don't have this problem with Calc.
I tried reinstalling, including removal of all relevant application data
and registry keys, but to no avail.
Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas?
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 8/1/13 6:49 PM, janI wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2013 6:32 PM, "V Stuart Foote" <VS...@utsa.edu> wrote:
>>
>> janI wrote
>>> On 1 August 2013 17:49, V Stuart Foote <
>>
>>> VStuart.Foote@
>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, for Steve Yin, any chance of pushing the current ia2 branch
>>>> back
>>>> out to SVN, or better perfrom a merge with trunk and posting it.
> Having
>>>> the buildbot binaries are nice, but at some point we need to start
>>>> reviewing
>>>> code to access IAccessibile2 (v1.3) compliance as well as look at the
>>>> impact on the other accessible bridges depending on what is done to UAA
>>>> and role
>>>> and event manipulations for ia2.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would recommend we test IA2 in its branch, and once our QA people give
>>> it thumbs up, merge it back to trunk.
>>>
>>> I do the same with l10n40, and as far as know rejuvenate01 follow that
>>> same
>>> "rules".
>>>
>>> Lets try to keep trunk free of major untested changes, that makes life
>>> easier for everybody.
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jan I.
>>
>> Apologies, I was not clear. No intention to suggest that Steve Yin's work
> on
>> the IA2 branch be merged back into the trunk at this time. Rather, that
>> since he holds all work locally, and that the last posting to the ia2 SVN
>> branch repo was when he'd last merged with trunk at r1484083 on May 18th,
>> all work since then has not been published or reviewed by anyone other
> than
>> Steve and his team in Beijing.
>
> np. However I can think of several reasons, which I support, to keep work
> local until its ready for a broader review.
>
> I trust that Steve will publish the work when its ready for a broader
> audience.
>
> I personnally expect it to be timed with our upcomming release,, it is a
> major update which should be released to users by AOO and not just in svn.
I am sure Steve will come back to this soon, stay tuned ...
Juergen
>
>>
>> Some of us are getting anxious since an implementation of IAccessible2 at
>> 4.1.0 will necessitate a broad review of all the accessibility framework
> and
>> will impact the UAA bridges supporting AT-SPI/ATK and NSAccessibility in
>> addition to residuals of the Java Accessibility Bridge.
>
> I am sure the 4.1 release manager will make sure there are ample time for
> QA, review and other issues.
>
> rgds
> jan i
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On Aug 1, 2013 6:32 PM, "V Stuart Foote" <VS...@utsa.edu> wrote:
>
> janI wrote
> > On 1 August 2013 17:49, V Stuart Foote <
>
> > VStuart.Foote@
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Meanwhile, for Steve Yin, any chance of pushing the current ia2 branch
> >> back
> >> out to SVN, or better perfrom a merge with trunk and posting it.
Having
> >> the buildbot binaries are nice, but at some point we need to start
> >> reviewing
> >> code to access IAccessibile2 (v1.3) compliance as well as look at the
> >> impact on the other accessible bridges depending on what is done to UAA
> >> and role
> >> and event manipulations for ia2.
> >>
> >
> > I would recommend we test IA2 in its branch, and once our QA people give
> > it thumbs up, merge it back to trunk.
> >
> > I do the same with l10n40, and as far as know rejuvenate01 follow that
> > same
> > "rules".
> >
> > Lets try to keep trunk free of major untested changes, that makes life
> > easier for everybody.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
>
> Apologies, I was not clear. No intention to suggest that Steve Yin's work
on
> the IA2 branch be merged back into the trunk at this time. Rather, that
> since he holds all work locally, and that the last posting to the ia2 SVN
> branch repo was when he'd last merged with trunk at r1484083 on May 18th,
> all work since then has not been published or reviewed by anyone other
than
> Steve and his team in Beijing.
np. However I can think of several reasons, which I support, to keep work
local until its ready for a broader review.
I trust that Steve will publish the work when its ready for a broader
audience.
I personnally expect it to be timed with our upcomming release,, it is a
major update which should be released to users by AOO and not just in svn.
>
> Some of us are getting anxious since an implementation of IAccessible2 at
> 4.1.0 will necessitate a broad review of all the accessibility framework
and
> will impact the UAA bridges supporting AT-SPI/ATK and NSAccessibility in
> addition to residuals of the Java Accessibility Bridge.
I am sure the 4.1 release manager will make sure there are ample time for
QA, review and other issues.
rgds
jan i
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
janI wrote
> On 1 August 2013 17:49, V Stuart Foote <
> VStuart.Foote@
> > wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile, for Steve Yin, any chance of pushing the current ia2 branch
>> back
>> out to SVN, or better perfrom a merge with trunk and posting it. Having
>> the buildbot binaries are nice, but at some point we need to start
>> reviewing
>> code to access IAccessibile2 (v1.3) compliance as well as look at the
>> impact on the other accessible bridges depending on what is done to UAA
>> and role
>> and event manipulations for ia2.
>>
>
> I would recommend we test IA2 in its branch, and once our QA people give
> it thumbs up, merge it back to trunk.
>
> I do the same with l10n40, and as far as know rejuvenate01 follow that
> same
> "rules".
>
> Lets try to keep trunk free of major untested changes, that makes life
> easier for everybody.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
Apologies, I was not clear. No intention to suggest that Steve Yin's work on
the IA2 branch be merged back into the trunk at this time. Rather, that
since he holds all work locally, and that the last posting to the ia2 SVN
branch repo was when he'd last merged with trunk at r1484083 on May 18th,
all work since then has not been published or reviewed by anyone other than
Steve and his team in Beijing.
Some of us are getting anxious since an implementation of IAccessible2 at
4.1.0 will necessitate a broad review of all the accessibility framework and
will impact the UAA bridges supporting AT-SPI/ATK and NSAccessibility in
addition to residuals of the Java Accessibility Bridge.
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 1 August 2013 17:49, V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu> wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> I'll post an archived IA2 branch build of r1484083 up, and send you a PM
> for
> the ftp link a little latter.
>
> Getting the Buildbot to start running to completion, even if with the
> 1484083 revision would be useful.
>
> Meanwhile, for Steve Yin, any chance of pushing the current ia2 branch back
> out to SVN, or better perfrom a merge with trunk and posting it. Having
> the
> buildbot binaries are nice, but at some point we need to start reviewing
> code to access IAccessibile2 (v1.3) compliance as well as look at the
> impact
> on the other accessible bridges depending on what is done to UAA and role
> an
> event manipulations for ia2.
>
> I would recommend we test IA2 in its branch, and once our QA people give
it thumbs up, merge it back to trunk.
I do the same with l10n40, and as far as know rejuvenate01 follow that same
"rules".
Lets try to keep trunk free of major untested changes, that makes life
easier for everybody.
rgds
jan I.
> Stuart
>
>
>
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
Jamie,
I'll post an archived IA2 branch build of r1484083 up, and send you a PM for
the ftp link a little latter.
Getting the Buildbot to start running to completion, even if with the
1484083 revision would be useful.
Meanwhile, for Steve Yin, any chance of pushing the current ia2 branch back
out to SVN, or better perfrom a merge with trunk and posting it. Having the
buildbot binaries are nice, but at some point we need to start reviewing
code to access IAccessibile2 (v1.3) compliance as well as look at the impact
on the other accessible bridges depending on what is done to UAA and role an
event manipulations for ia2.
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>.
On 9/07/2013 3:53 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> Anyhow, the last build we had to work against was against r1484083 from May
> 18th--you have not missed anything.
Actually, the last build I had a chance to test was from February. Does
anyone have a working link to this latest build?
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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>.
On 21/05/2013 1:35 PM, Steve Yin wrote:
> Fortunately, a new build of the ia2 branch was ready. : )
Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any build for the IA2 branch here:
http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2
Jamie
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RE: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
Sorry, horrible typo, make that
... it should have all of the work done on Sidebar through r1483767 so _THERE IS NO_ wasted effort there...
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RE: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk
Posted by V Stuart Foote <VS...@utsa.edu>.
Sorry, horrible typo, make that
... it should have all of the work done on Sidebar through r1483767 so _THERE IS NO_ wasted effort there...
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