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Posted to soap-dev@xml.apache.org by pramuk <pr...@hotmail.com> on 2000/11/17 19:36:22 UTC
SOAP/EJB docs ...
Hi Vahe,
Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any documentation on the SOAP/EJB
features
supported(or going to be supported) by Apache's SOAP? Any idea how they
are going
to behave in a clustered environment ? May be I should look into the
samples
first before asking further questions :-( But if you can point me to
any relevant
info it will be great.
thanks,
pamuk
At 10:13 AM 11/17/00 -0800, Vahe Amirbekyan wrote:
Hi Pramuk,
Yes, we introduced SOAP support into our EJB code generator 6 months
ago. For client side we generate session EJBs which are effectively SOAP
wrappers, for server side we generate Deployment Descriptors. Also, in
order to make it work with EJB, we introduced new features into the
Apache (former IBM) SOAP product (objects-by-value, new
serializers/deserializers, transformer chains etc.).
Recently Doug Davis introduced generic provider framework and stateless
EJB provider implementation into Apache SOAP. Most probably we'll work
together to further improve support for EJB in Apache SOAP. I hope we'll
come out with more clear ideas after the upcoming face-2-face meeting in
Washington next month.
Thanks for your interest, Vahe
pramuk wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Are there any applications to SOAP-enable an EJB Application ?
> Or any specs in this area by w3c or IBM,BEA ? Sometime back Vahe
> Amirbekyan
> from techtone (Vahe I am cc-ing this mail to you too) did some work in
> that
> area? Is that going to be a part of SOAP's next release ?
>
> thanks,
> pramuk
--
(\______________________________________________________/)
__|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
(___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
(__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
(__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
(_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
--
(\______________________________________________________/)
__|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
(___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
(__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
(__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
(_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
Posted by Vahe Amirbekyan <av...@techone.com>.
Hello Bernhard,
AFAIK at present the URN format for EJB-related objects is
urn:service[@instance-id], please refer to Doug's email titled
"Pluggable Providers" dated October 27th. Also, checking out the newest
code from the CVS might be a good idea. In general, I believe, the final
version of the URN format is yet to come.
Best regards, Vahe
Bernhard Dorninger wrote:
>
> Dear Vahe
>
> Sorry for reacting that late , but I've been on vacation.
> Is the target URN format for EJBs you use in your Locators to be the Apache
> SOAP URN format for EJBs? Or will it change?
> As you might know I am also working on a solution to access EJBs via SOAP
> and i want to keep it compatible with Apache-SOAP .
>
> regards Bernhard
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vahe Amirbekyan [mailto:avahe@techone.com]
> > Sent: 20 November 2000 19:14
> > To: soap-dev@xml.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
> >
> >
> > Hi Pramuk,
> >
> > As I remember, there was a document written by either Doug or Paul Fink
> > attached to one of emails to the newsletter in September or October. You
> > can use the emails archive (http://archive.covalent.net/) to try to find
> > it. At the same time please keep in mind that the document is just a
> > proposal for EJB/SOAP integration. Still, I think the best thing for you
> > to do is to look at the code as well as some discussions on the mailing
> > list.
> >
> > Regards, Vahe
> >
> > pramuk wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Vahe,
> > > Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any documentation on the SOAP/EJB
> > > features
> > > supported(or going to be supported) by Apache's SOAP? Any idea how they
> > > are going
> > > to behave in a clustered environment ? May be I should look into the
> > > samples
> > > first before asking further questions :-( But if you can point me to
> > > any relevant
> > > info it will be great.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > pamuk
> > >
> > > At 10:13 AM 11/17/00 -0800, Vahe Amirbekyan wrote:
> > > Hi Pramuk,
> > >
> > > Yes, we introduced SOAP support into our EJB code generator 6 months
> > > ago. For client side we generate session EJBs which are effectively SOAP
> > > wrappers, for server side we generate Deployment Descriptors. Also, in
> > > order to make it work with EJB, we introduced new features into the
> > > Apache (former IBM) SOAP product (objects-by-value, new
> > > serializers/deserializers, transformer chains etc.).
> > >
> > > Recently Doug Davis introduced generic provider framework and stateless
> > > EJB provider implementation into Apache SOAP. Most probably we'll work
> > > together to further improve support for EJB in Apache SOAP. I hope we'll
> > > come out with more clear ideas after the upcoming face-2-face meeting in
> > > Washington next month.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your interest, Vahe
> > >
> > > pramuk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Are there any applications to SOAP-enable an EJB Application ?
> > > > Or any specs in this area by w3c or IBM,BEA ? Sometime back Vahe
> > > > Amirbekyan
> > > > from techtone (Vahe I am cc-ing this mail to you too) did some work in
> > > > that
> > > > area? Is that going to be a part of SOAP's next release ?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > pramuk
> > >
> > > --
> > > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> > > --
> > > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> >
> > --
> > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> >
--
(\______________________________________________________/)
__|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
(___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
(__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
(__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
(_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
Posted by Vahe Amirbekyan <av...@techone.com>.
Hello Bernhard,
AFAIK at present the URN format for EJB-related objects is
urn:service[@instance-id], please refer to Doug's email titled
"Pluggable Providers" dated October 27th. Also, checking out the newest
code from the CVS might be a good idea. In general, I believe, the final
version of the URN format is yet to come.
Best regards, Vahe
Bernhard Dorninger wrote:
>
> Dear Vahe
>
> Sorry for reacting that late , but I've been on vacation.
> Is the target URN format for EJBs you use in your Locators to be the Apache
> SOAP URN format for EJBs? Or will it change?
> As you might know I am also working on a solution to access EJBs via SOAP
> and i want to keep it compatible with Apache-SOAP .
>
> regards Bernhard
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vahe Amirbekyan [mailto:avahe@techone.com]
> > Sent: 20 November 2000 19:14
> > To: soap-dev@xml.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
> >
> >
> > Hi Pramuk,
> >
> > As I remember, there was a document written by either Doug or Paul Fink
> > attached to one of emails to the newsletter in September or October. You
> > can use the emails archive (http://archive.covalent.net/) to try to find
> > it. At the same time please keep in mind that the document is just a
> > proposal for EJB/SOAP integration. Still, I think the best thing for you
> > to do is to look at the code as well as some discussions on the mailing
> > list.
> >
> > Regards, Vahe
> >
> > pramuk wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Vahe,
> > > Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any documentation on the SOAP/EJB
> > > features
> > > supported(or going to be supported) by Apache's SOAP? Any idea how they
> > > are going
> > > to behave in a clustered environment ? May be I should look into the
> > > samples
> > > first before asking further questions :-( But if you can point me to
> > > any relevant
> > > info it will be great.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > pamuk
> > >
> > > At 10:13 AM 11/17/00 -0800, Vahe Amirbekyan wrote:
> > > Hi Pramuk,
> > >
> > > Yes, we introduced SOAP support into our EJB code generator 6 months
> > > ago. For client side we generate session EJBs which are effectively SOAP
> > > wrappers, for server side we generate Deployment Descriptors. Also, in
> > > order to make it work with EJB, we introduced new features into the
> > > Apache (former IBM) SOAP product (objects-by-value, new
> > > serializers/deserializers, transformer chains etc.).
> > >
> > > Recently Doug Davis introduced generic provider framework and stateless
> > > EJB provider implementation into Apache SOAP. Most probably we'll work
> > > together to further improve support for EJB in Apache SOAP. I hope we'll
> > > come out with more clear ideas after the upcoming face-2-face meeting in
> > > Washington next month.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your interest, Vahe
> > >
> > > pramuk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Are there any applications to SOAP-enable an EJB Application ?
> > > > Or any specs in this area by w3c or IBM,BEA ? Sometime back Vahe
> > > > Amirbekyan
> > > > from techtone (Vahe I am cc-ing this mail to you too) did some work in
> > > > that
> > > > area? Is that going to be a part of SOAP's next release ?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > pramuk
> > >
> > > --
> > > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> > > --
> > > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> >
> > --
> > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> >
--
(\______________________________________________________/)
__|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
(___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
(__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
(__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
(_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
RE: SOAP/EJB docs ...
Posted by Bernhard Dorninger <be...@scch.at>.
Dear Vahe
Sorry for reacting that late , but I've been on vacation.
Is the target URN format for EJBs you use in your Locators to be the Apache
SOAP URN format for EJBs? Or will it change?
As you might know I am also working on a solution to access EJBs via SOAP
and i want to keep it compatible with Apache-SOAP .
regards Bernhard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vahe Amirbekyan [mailto:avahe@techone.com]
> Sent: 20 November 2000 19:14
> To: soap-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
>
>
> Hi Pramuk,
>
> As I remember, there was a document written by either Doug or Paul Fink
> attached to one of emails to the newsletter in September or October. You
> can use the emails archive (http://archive.covalent.net/) to try to find
> it. At the same time please keep in mind that the document is just a
> proposal for EJB/SOAP integration. Still, I think the best thing for you
> to do is to look at the code as well as some discussions on the mailing
> list.
>
> Regards, Vahe
>
> pramuk wrote:
> >
> > Hi Vahe,
> > Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any documentation on the SOAP/EJB
> > features
> > supported(or going to be supported) by Apache's SOAP? Any idea how they
> > are going
> > to behave in a clustered environment ? May be I should look into the
> > samples
> > first before asking further questions :-( But if you can point me to
> > any relevant
> > info it will be great.
> >
> > thanks,
> > pamuk
> >
> > At 10:13 AM 11/17/00 -0800, Vahe Amirbekyan wrote:
> > Hi Pramuk,
> >
> > Yes, we introduced SOAP support into our EJB code generator 6 months
> > ago. For client side we generate session EJBs which are effectively SOAP
> > wrappers, for server side we generate Deployment Descriptors. Also, in
> > order to make it work with EJB, we introduced new features into the
> > Apache (former IBM) SOAP product (objects-by-value, new
> > serializers/deserializers, transformer chains etc.).
> >
> > Recently Doug Davis introduced generic provider framework and stateless
> > EJB provider implementation into Apache SOAP. Most probably we'll work
> > together to further improve support for EJB in Apache SOAP. I hope we'll
> > come out with more clear ideas after the upcoming face-2-face meeting in
> > Washington next month.
> >
> > Thanks for your interest, Vahe
> >
> > pramuk wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > Are there any applications to SOAP-enable an EJB Application ?
> > > Or any specs in this area by w3c or IBM,BEA ? Sometime back Vahe
> > > Amirbekyan
> > > from techtone (Vahe I am cc-ing this mail to you too) did some work in
> > > that
> > > area? Is that going to be a part of SOAP's next release ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > pramuk
> >
> > --
> > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> > --
> > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
>
> --
> (\______________________________________________________/)
> __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
>
RE: SOAP/EJB docs ...
Posted by Bernhard Dorninger <be...@scch.at>.
Dear Vahe
Sorry for reacting that late , but I've been on vacation.
Is the target URN format for EJBs you use in your Locators to be the Apache
SOAP URN format for EJBs? Or will it change?
As you might know I am also working on a solution to access EJBs via SOAP
and i want to keep it compatible with Apache-SOAP .
regards Bernhard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vahe Amirbekyan [mailto:avahe@techone.com]
> Sent: 20 November 2000 19:14
> To: soap-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
>
>
> Hi Pramuk,
>
> As I remember, there was a document written by either Doug or Paul Fink
> attached to one of emails to the newsletter in September or October. You
> can use the emails archive (http://archive.covalent.net/) to try to find
> it. At the same time please keep in mind that the document is just a
> proposal for EJB/SOAP integration. Still, I think the best thing for you
> to do is to look at the code as well as some discussions on the mailing
> list.
>
> Regards, Vahe
>
> pramuk wrote:
> >
> > Hi Vahe,
> > Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any documentation on the SOAP/EJB
> > features
> > supported(or going to be supported) by Apache's SOAP? Any idea how they
> > are going
> > to behave in a clustered environment ? May be I should look into the
> > samples
> > first before asking further questions :-( But if you can point me to
> > any relevant
> > info it will be great.
> >
> > thanks,
> > pamuk
> >
> > At 10:13 AM 11/17/00 -0800, Vahe Amirbekyan wrote:
> > Hi Pramuk,
> >
> > Yes, we introduced SOAP support into our EJB code generator 6 months
> > ago. For client side we generate session EJBs which are effectively SOAP
> > wrappers, for server side we generate Deployment Descriptors. Also, in
> > order to make it work with EJB, we introduced new features into the
> > Apache (former IBM) SOAP product (objects-by-value, new
> > serializers/deserializers, transformer chains etc.).
> >
> > Recently Doug Davis introduced generic provider framework and stateless
> > EJB provider implementation into Apache SOAP. Most probably we'll work
> > together to further improve support for EJB in Apache SOAP. I hope we'll
> > come out with more clear ideas after the upcoming face-2-face meeting in
> > Washington next month.
> >
> > Thanks for your interest, Vahe
> >
> > pramuk wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > Are there any applications to SOAP-enable an EJB Application ?
> > > Or any specs in this area by w3c or IBM,BEA ? Sometime back Vahe
> > > Amirbekyan
> > > from techtone (Vahe I am cc-ing this mail to you too) did some work in
> > > that
> > > area? Is that going to be a part of SOAP's next release ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > pramuk
> >
> > --
> > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> > --
> > (\______________________________________________________/)
> > __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> > (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> > (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> > (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> > (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
>
> --
> (\______________________________________________________/)
> __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
>
Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
Posted by Vahe Amirbekyan <av...@techone.com>.
Hi Pramuk,
As I remember, there was a document written by either Doug or Paul Fink
attached to one of emails to the newsletter in September or October. You
can use the emails archive (http://archive.covalent.net/) to try to find
it. At the same time please keep in mind that the document is just a
proposal for EJB/SOAP integration. Still, I think the best thing for you
to do is to look at the code as well as some discussions on the mailing
list.
Regards, Vahe
pramuk wrote:
>
> Hi Vahe,
> Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any documentation on the SOAP/EJB
> features
> supported(or going to be supported) by Apache's SOAP? Any idea how they
> are going
> to behave in a clustered environment ? May be I should look into the
> samples
> first before asking further questions :-( But if you can point me to
> any relevant
> info it will be great.
>
> thanks,
> pamuk
>
> At 10:13 AM 11/17/00 -0800, Vahe Amirbekyan wrote:
> Hi Pramuk,
>
> Yes, we introduced SOAP support into our EJB code generator 6 months
> ago. For client side we generate session EJBs which are effectively SOAP
> wrappers, for server side we generate Deployment Descriptors. Also, in
> order to make it work with EJB, we introduced new features into the
> Apache (former IBM) SOAP product (objects-by-value, new
> serializers/deserializers, transformer chains etc.).
>
> Recently Doug Davis introduced generic provider framework and stateless
> EJB provider implementation into Apache SOAP. Most probably we'll work
> together to further improve support for EJB in Apache SOAP. I hope we'll
> come out with more clear ideas after the upcoming face-2-face meeting in
> Washington next month.
>
> Thanks for your interest, Vahe
>
> pramuk wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Are there any applications to SOAP-enable an EJB Application ?
> > Or any specs in this area by w3c or IBM,BEA ? Sometime back Vahe
> > Amirbekyan
> > from techtone (Vahe I am cc-ing this mail to you too) did some work in
> > that
> > area? Is that going to be a part of SOAP's next release ?
> >
> > thanks,
> > pramuk
>
> --
> (\______________________________________________________/)
> __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> --
> (\______________________________________________________/)
> __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
--
(\______________________________________________________/)
__|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
(___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
(__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
(__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
(_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
Re: SOAP/EJB docs ...
Posted by Vahe Amirbekyan <av...@techone.com>.
Hi Pramuk,
As I remember, there was a document written by either Doug or Paul Fink
attached to one of emails to the newsletter in September or October. You
can use the emails archive (http://archive.covalent.net/) to try to find
it. At the same time please keep in mind that the document is just a
proposal for EJB/SOAP integration. Still, I think the best thing for you
to do is to look at the code as well as some discussions on the mailing
list.
Regards, Vahe
pramuk wrote:
>
> Hi Vahe,
> Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any documentation on the SOAP/EJB
> features
> supported(or going to be supported) by Apache's SOAP? Any idea how they
> are going
> to behave in a clustered environment ? May be I should look into the
> samples
> first before asking further questions :-( But if you can point me to
> any relevant
> info it will be great.
>
> thanks,
> pamuk
>
> At 10:13 AM 11/17/00 -0800, Vahe Amirbekyan wrote:
> Hi Pramuk,
>
> Yes, we introduced SOAP support into our EJB code generator 6 months
> ago. For client side we generate session EJBs which are effectively SOAP
> wrappers, for server side we generate Deployment Descriptors. Also, in
> order to make it work with EJB, we introduced new features into the
> Apache (former IBM) SOAP product (objects-by-value, new
> serializers/deserializers, transformer chains etc.).
>
> Recently Doug Davis introduced generic provider framework and stateless
> EJB provider implementation into Apache SOAP. Most probably we'll work
> together to further improve support for EJB in Apache SOAP. I hope we'll
> come out with more clear ideas after the upcoming face-2-face meeting in
> Washington next month.
>
> Thanks for your interest, Vahe
>
> pramuk wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Are there any applications to SOAP-enable an EJB Application ?
> > Or any specs in this area by w3c or IBM,BEA ? Sometime back Vahe
> > Amirbekyan
> > from techtone (Vahe I am cc-ing this mail to you too) did some work in
> > that
> > area? Is that going to be a part of SOAP's next release ?
> >
> > thanks,
> > pramuk
>
> --
> (\______________________________________________________/)
> __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
> --
> (\______________________________________________________/)
> __|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
> (___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
> (__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
> (__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
> (_o)____________________________________________________(o_)
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__|_| Vahe AMIRBEKYAN, Senior Consultant |_|__
(___o) tel: (510) 729 6750 ext.375 (o___)
(__o) mailto:avahe@techone.com (o__)
(__o) http://www.techone.com (o__)
(_o)____________________________________________________(o_)