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[users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

If we are using PHP-FPM with Apache. Is there any reason to have conf.d/php.conf?




Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by Daniel <df...@gmail.com>.
Files do not represent anything in apache, file names even less.

All configuration files are created equal. It does not matter which of the
configuration files you put the directive in. What does matter is whether
you put it in the appropriate context. Put directives somewhere that makes
sense to you, and where you will be able to find them next time.

2015-11-13 17:46 GMT+01:00 Rose, John B <jb...@utk.edu>:

> mod_php is not enabled.
>
> So you are saying if mod_php is NOT enabled and we are using PHP-FPM, then
> php.conf is not used?
>
> Or we should rename it? Comment all the lines in it out?
>
> What drew our attention to this is the "DirectoryIndex index.php" line in
> php.conf and was it conflicting with our "DiretcoryIndex" line in
> httpd.conf.
>
> Thanks
>
> On 11/13/15 11:39 AM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
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> >>
> >> If we are using PHP-FPM with Apache. Is there any reason to have
> >> conf.d/php.conf?
> >>
> >
> >If you're asking if you need mod_php enabled, then, no, you don't need
> >that when you're using php-fpm
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by "Rose, John B" <jb...@utk.edu>.
Thanks Rich, Daniel, Chris for taking the time to reply.

On 11/13/15 4:01 PM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:

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>On 11/13/2015 02:53 PM, Rose, John B wrote:
>> do the settings such as  ...
>> 
>> <FilesMatch \.php$> SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
>> </FilesMatch>
>> 
>> 
>> AddType text/html .php
>> 
>> Etc,
>> 
>> ...typically in the file named php.conf, matter if you do not have
>> mod_php loaded and are only using PHP-FPM?
>> 
>> What PHP related setting would you possibly put in php.conf if you
>> are only using PHP-FPM?
>> 
>
>Oh. Right. Yeah, you don't need that stuff at all any more, because
>any *.php files are being proxied over to the php-fpm server, and will
>never reach this FilesMatch block.
>
>> In other words, by using PHP-FPM, and using ProxyPassMatch, none of
>> those things are used. Right?
>> 
>
>That is correct.
>
>
>
>> Except "DirectoryIndex"
>> 
>> Comment: It seems the default/uncommented placement of
>> "DirectoryIndex index.php" in php.conf would
>> undesirably/unexpectedly replace "DirectoryIndex index.html
>> index.php etc." in the main body of your httpd.conf file. If you
>> "Include" conf.d late in your httpd.conf file.
>
>
>No. DirectoryIndex is cumulative. That is, see this section in the docs:
>
>Note: Multiple DirectoryIndex directives within the same context will
>add to the list of resources to look for rather than replace:
>
>Which then gives the example of:
>
>    DirectoryIndex index.html
>    DirectoryIndex index.php
>
>as being identical to
>
>    DirectoryIndex index.html index.php
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
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On 11/13/2015 02:53 PM, Rose, John B wrote:
> do the settings such as  ...
> 
> <FilesMatch \.php$> SetHandler application/x-httpd-php 
> </FilesMatch>
> 
> 
> AddType text/html .php
> 
> Etc,
> 
> ...typically in the file named php.conf, matter if you do not have
> mod_php loaded and are only using PHP-FPM?
> 
> What PHP related setting would you possibly put in php.conf if you
> are only using PHP-FPM?
> 

Oh. Right. Yeah, you don't need that stuff at all any more, because
any *.php files are being proxied over to the php-fpm server, and will
never reach this FilesMatch block.

> In other words, by using PHP-FPM, and using ProxyPassMatch, none of
> those things are used. Right?
> 

That is correct.



> Except "DirectoryIndex"
> 
> Comment: It seems the default/uncommented placement of
> "DirectoryIndex index.php" in php.conf would
> undesirably/unexpectedly replace "DirectoryIndex index.html
> index.php etc." in the main body of your httpd.conf file. If you
> "Include" conf.d late in your httpd.conf file.


No. DirectoryIndex is cumulative. That is, see this section in the docs:

Note: Multiple DirectoryIndex directives within the same context will
add to the list of resources to look for rather than replace:

Which then gives the example of:

    DirectoryIndex index.html
    DirectoryIndex index.php

as being identical to

    DirectoryIndex index.html index.php


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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by Daniel <df...@gmail.com>.
Yes, you don't need the SetHandler any more the same way you used it with
mod_php.

A handler tells apache how to "react" with certain types of files.

If you migrated to php-fpm you would either use proxypass/rewriterule with
P or you use a handler like:
<FilesMatch "\.php">
        # Unix sockets require 2.4.7 or later
        SetHandler "proxy:unix:/path/to/app.sock|fcgi://localhost/"
</FilesMatch>
(example taken from:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_proxy.html#handler)

More recipes and examples at:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_proxy_fcgi.html

or even
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/php



2015-11-13 20:53 GMT+01:00 Rose, John B <jb...@utk.edu>:

> Let me rephrase my question.
>
> I understand the .conf file names can be anything.
>
> I may should have asked it this way, do the settings such as  ...
>
> <FilesMatch \.php$>
>     SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
> </FilesMatch>
>
>
>
> AddType text/html .php
>
> Etc,
>
> ...typically in the file named php.conf, matter if you do not have mod_php
> loaded and are only using PHP-FPM?
>
> What PHP related setting would you possibly put in php.conf if you are
> only using PHP-FPM?
>
> In other words, by using PHP-FPM, and using ProxyPassMatch, none of those
> things are used. Right?
>
> Except "DirectoryIndex"
>
> Comment: It seems the default/uncommented placement of "DirectoryIndex
> index.php" in php.conf would undesirably/unexpectedly replace
> "DirectoryIndex index.html index.php etc." in the main body of your
> httpd.conf file. If you "Include" conf.d late in your httpd.conf file.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 11/13/15 12:03 PM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
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> >On 11/13/2015 11:46 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
> >> mod_php is not enabled.
> >>
> >> So you are saying if mod_php is NOT enabled and we are using
> >> PHP-FPM, then php.conf is not used?
> >>
> >> Or we should rename it? Comment all the lines in it out?
> >>
> >> What drew our attention to this is the "DirectoryIndex index.php"
> >> line in php.conf and was it conflicting with our "DiretcoryIndex"
> >> line in httpd.conf.
> >
> >
> >So ... possibly several different misunderstandings going on here.
> >
> >First of all, "php.conf" is just an arbitrary file name. httpd doesn't
> >care what you name your configuration files, whether it's php.conf,
> >foo.bar.conf, or mylittlepony.conf. (And even the .conf is arbitrary.)
> >If a file is Include'ed, then it's used.
> >
> >So if you have
> >
> >Include *.conf
> >
> >Then any file named anything.conf is loaded and "used".
> >
> >Contrariwise, if you have
> >
> >Include conf/*
> >
> >then ANY file in that directory is included and used in your
> >configuration.
> >
> >So, yeah, if you have a file named php.conf (or boogity.conf) and
> >you've Include'ed it, then it's "used".
> >
> >As to whether you should rename/delete/comment the configuration file,
> >it depends entirely on what's in it, and whether you want that
> >configuration to be active. If what's in it is directives that enable
> >mod_php, then you are probably safe removing the file, in your
> >particular situation, where you're using php-fpm
> >
> >On the other hand, if you're still using mod_php for something, then
> >you might still need that file, or, at least, the directives that are
> >contained in it.
> >
> >Is that clearer?
> >
> >- --Rich
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> On 11/13/15 11:39 AM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/13/2015 11:24 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If we are using PHP-FPM with Apache. Is there any reason to
> >>>>> have conf.d/php.conf?
> >>>>>
> >>
> >> If you're asking if you need mod_php enabled, then, no, you don't
> >> need that when you're using php-fpm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
John,

On 11/13/15 2:53 PM, Rose, John B wrote:
> Let me rephrase my question.
> 
> I understand the .conf file names can be anything.
> 
> I may should have asked it this way, do the settings such as  ...
> 
> <FilesMatch \.php$>
>     SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
> </FilesMatch>
> 
> 
> 
> AddType text/html .php
> 
> Etc,
> 
> ...typically in the file named php.conf, matter if you do not have mod_php
> loaded and are only using PHP-FPM?
> 
> What PHP related setting would you possibly put in php.conf if you are
> only using PHP-FPM?
> 
> In other words, by using PHP-FPM, and using ProxyPassMatch, none of those
> things are used. Right?
> 
> Except "DirectoryIndex"
> 
> Comment: It seems the default/uncommented placement of "DirectoryIndex
> index.php" in php.conf would undesirably/unexpectedly replace
> "DirectoryIndex index.html index.php etc." in the main body of your
> httpd.conf file. If you "Include" conf.d late in your httpd.conf file.

If you place <IfModule> ... <IfModule> around your PHP-related
configurations, then you can safely leave your php.conf file in place
even when mod_php is disabled. In that case, the configuration within
the IfModule structure will be ignored when mod_php is not loaded.

-chris

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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by "Rose, John B" <jb...@utk.edu>.
Let me rephrase my question.

I understand the .conf file names can be anything.

I may should have asked it this way, do the settings such as  ...

<FilesMatch \.php$>
    SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
</FilesMatch>



AddType text/html .php

Etc,

...typically in the file named php.conf, matter if you do not have mod_php
loaded and are only using PHP-FPM?

What PHP related setting would you possibly put in php.conf if you are
only using PHP-FPM?

In other words, by using PHP-FPM, and using ProxyPassMatch, none of those
things are used. Right?

Except "DirectoryIndex"

Comment: It seems the default/uncommented placement of "DirectoryIndex
index.php" in php.conf would undesirably/unexpectedly replace
"DirectoryIndex index.html index.php etc." in the main body of your
httpd.conf file. If you "Include" conf.d late in your httpd.conf file.


Thanks


On 11/13/15 12:03 PM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:

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>On 11/13/2015 11:46 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
>> mod_php is not enabled.
>> 
>> So you are saying if mod_php is NOT enabled and we are using
>> PHP-FPM, then php.conf is not used?
>> 
>> Or we should rename it? Comment all the lines in it out?
>> 
>> What drew our attention to this is the "DirectoryIndex index.php"
>> line in php.conf and was it conflicting with our "DiretcoryIndex"
>> line in httpd.conf.
>
>
>So ... possibly several different misunderstandings going on here.
>
>First of all, "php.conf" is just an arbitrary file name. httpd doesn't
>care what you name your configuration files, whether it's php.conf,
>foo.bar.conf, or mylittlepony.conf. (And even the .conf is arbitrary.)
>If a file is Include'ed, then it's used.
>
>So if you have
>
>Include *.conf
>
>Then any file named anything.conf is loaded and "used".
>
>Contrariwise, if you have
>
>Include conf/*
>
>then ANY file in that directory is included and used in your
>configuration.
>
>So, yeah, if you have a file named php.conf (or boogity.conf) and
>you've Include'ed it, then it's "used".
>
>As to whether you should rename/delete/comment the configuration file,
>it depends entirely on what's in it, and whether you want that
>configuration to be active. If what's in it is directives that enable
>mod_php, then you are probably safe removing the file, in your
>particular situation, where you're using php-fpm
>
>On the other hand, if you're still using mod_php for something, then
>you might still need that file, or, at least, the directives that are
>contained in it.
>
>Is that clearer?
>
>- --Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> On 11/13/15 11:39 AM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/13/2015 11:24 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If we are using PHP-FPM with Apache. Is there any reason to
>>>>> have conf.d/php.conf?
>>>>> 
>> 
>> If you're asking if you need mod_php enabled, then, no, you don't
>> need that when you're using php-fpm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
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On 11/13/2015 11:46 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
> mod_php is not enabled.
> 
> So you are saying if mod_php is NOT enabled and we are using
> PHP-FPM, then php.conf is not used?
> 
> Or we should rename it? Comment all the lines in it out?
> 
> What drew our attention to this is the "DirectoryIndex index.php"
> line in php.conf and was it conflicting with our "DiretcoryIndex"
> line in httpd.conf.


So ... possibly several different misunderstandings going on here.

First of all, "php.conf" is just an arbitrary file name. httpd doesn't
care what you name your configuration files, whether it's php.conf,
foo.bar.conf, or mylittlepony.conf. (And even the .conf is arbitrary.)
If a file is Include'ed, then it's used.

So if you have

Include *.conf

Then any file named anything.conf is loaded and "used".

Contrariwise, if you have

Include conf/*

then ANY file in that directory is included and used in your
configuration.

So, yeah, if you have a file named php.conf (or boogity.conf) and
you've Include'ed it, then it's "used".

As to whether you should rename/delete/comment the configuration file,
it depends entirely on what's in it, and whether you want that
configuration to be active. If what's in it is directives that enable
mod_php, then you are probably safe removing the file, in your
particular situation, where you're using php-fpm

On the other hand, if you're still using mod_php for something, then
you might still need that file, or, at least, the directives that are
contained in it.

Is that clearer?

- --Rich







> 
> Thanks
> 
> On 11/13/15 11:39 AM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/13/2015 11:24 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If we are using PHP-FPM with Apache. Is there any reason to
>>>> have conf.d/php.conf?
>>>> 
> 
> If you're asking if you need mod_php enabled, then, no, you don't
> need that when you're using php-fpm
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by "Rose, John B" <jb...@utk.edu>.
mod_php is not enabled.

So you are saying if mod_php is NOT enabled and we are using PHP-FPM, then
php.conf is not used?

Or we should rename it? Comment all the lines in it out?

What drew our attention to this is the "DirectoryIndex index.php" line in
php.conf and was it conflicting with our "DiretcoryIndex" line in
httpd.conf.

Thanks

On 11/13/15 11:39 AM, "Rich Bowen" <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:

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>On 11/13/2015 11:24 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
>> 
>> If we are using PHP-FPM with Apache. Is there any reason to have
>> conf.d/php.conf?
>> 
>
>If you're asking if you need mod_php enabled, then, no, you don't need
>that when you're using php-fpm
>
>
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] php.conf and PHP-FPM

Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
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On 11/13/2015 11:24 AM, Rose, John B wrote:
> 
> If we are using PHP-FPM with Apache. Is there any reason to have 
> conf.d/php.conf?
> 

If you're asking if you need mod_php enabled, then, no, you don't need
that when you're using php-fpm




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