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Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
Folks,
FYI, http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45716
Please take it with a pinch of salt. There was exactly one question
from the guy on the mailing list [1] and absolutely no JIRA's AFAICT.
Guess, it's time to take stock. What say you folks? What are your pain
point(s). Am asking because we have to plan for a 1.3 release and
we'll try to incorporate the feedback from you all for that.
thanks,
dims
[1] http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b
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Re: Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Johan,
Don't worry about it. We won't hold it against u :) I was meaning to
ask such questions anyway (and i do ask them periodically). Yes, we
try to do the best we can, but there's just so many things to do :)
thanks,
dims
On 6/7/07, Johan Roch <jr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dims,
> Please consider my post on TSS as one single opinion, nothing more. After
> all maybe I am wrong(but it seems I am not totally wrong) and that's why I
> was asking for other's opinions on TSS. The point is that we(average axis
> users) face some clients and we have to justify development time... However
> I am sure you do the best to make Axis2 a great framework...
>
> Regards,
> Johan.
>
> >From: Deepal Jayasinghe <de...@opensource.lk>
> >Reply-To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> >To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
> >Subject: Re: Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
> >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:45:08 +0530
> >
> >Hi Angel ,
> >
> >In the coming hackathon we will make sure NOT to do anymore API changes
> >, package changes , and configuration file changes (so what we have in
> >Axis2 1.2 will be there in Axis2 1.3 as well). In the meantime we will
> >address the issue like not meaningfully exception , java comments etc
> >etc. , and most importantly we will fix critical JIRAs as well.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Deepal
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > apart from the "interface change" problem, which is maybe the biggest
> > > issue we have with Axis2 , and our organization is forced to create
> > > wrapper APIs to protect internal products from having to change their
> > > code, I would add that there are many classes in Axis2 that have to be
> > > marked as "abstract" , but are not. Another issue we encountered is
> > > the very big latency when loading modules from the repository, when it
> > > is supplied as a parameter to the AxisConfigurationContext . I agree
> > > that the documentation is quite poor. Another problem , apart from the
> > > lack of meaningful exceptions is the hardcoding of some values in the
> > > code, instead of having them defined in a resource properties or a
> > > constants class.
> > >
> > > To cut the long story short - the Axis2 team should just agree on and
> > > stabilize the basic architecture (mostly interfaces & abstract
> > > classes), and not induce big incompatibilities in future releases ,
> > > the same applies for configuration files and the like.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Angel
> > >
> > > On 6/7/07, *Michele Mazzucco* <Michele.Mazzucco@ncl.ac.uk
> > > <ma...@ncl.ac.uk>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dims,
> > >
> > > here we go:
> > > - Documentation is poor: correct, especially for what concerns the
> > > javadoc
> > > - Exceptions are quite obscure: that's why I've created JIRA 2229.
> > > Furthermore sometimes spurious errors occur ( i.e. I remember once
> > > I go a
> > > missing ResourceBundle problem and I spent several days to find
> > > out what
> > > was wrong - and as I understand from the mailing list other people
> >got
> > > similar issues)
> > > - After upgrading from 1.0 to 1.1, config files were not compliant
> >any
> > > more: correct
> > >
> > > and finally I would add:
> > > - Interfaces change even between the same release
> > > - You tend to use reflection even where it's not necessary. This is
> > > painful during the configuration as well as during the debug
> > >
> > >
> > > Michele
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:31 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > FYI,
> > > http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45716
> > > > Please take it with a pinch of salt. There was exactly one
> >question
> > > > from the guy on the mailing list [1] and absolutely no JIRA's
> > > AFAICT.
> > > >
> > > > Guess, it's time to take stock. What say you folks? What are
> > > your pain
> > > > point(s). Am asking because we have to plan for a 1.3 release and
> > > > we'll try to incorporate the feedback from you all for that.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > dims
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b
> > > <http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >--
> >Thanks,
> >Deepal
> >................................................................
> >"The highest tower is built one brick at a time"
> >
> >
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Re: Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
Posted by Johan Roch <jr...@hotmail.com>.
Dims,
Please consider my post on TSS as one single opinion, nothing more. After
all maybe I am wrong(but it seems I am not totally wrong) and that's why I
was asking for other's opinions on TSS. The point is that we(average axis
users) face some clients and we have to justify development time... However
I am sure you do the best to make Axis2 a great framework...
Regards,
Johan.
>From: Deepal Jayasinghe <de...@opensource.lk>
>Reply-To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
>To: axis-user@ws.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:45:08 +0530
>
>Hi Angel ,
>
>In the coming hackathon we will make sure NOT to do anymore API changes
>, package changes , and configuration file changes (so what we have in
>Axis2 1.2 will be there in Axis2 1.3 as well). In the meantime we will
>address the issue like not meaningfully exception , java comments etc
>etc. , and most importantly we will fix critical JIRAs as well.
>
>Thanks
>Deepal
> > Hi all,
> >
> > apart from the "interface change" problem, which is maybe the biggest
> > issue we have with Axis2 , and our organization is forced to create
> > wrapper APIs to protect internal products from having to change their
> > code, I would add that there are many classes in Axis2 that have to be
> > marked as "abstract" , but are not. Another issue we encountered is
> > the very big latency when loading modules from the repository, when it
> > is supplied as a parameter to the AxisConfigurationContext . I agree
> > that the documentation is quite poor. Another problem , apart from the
> > lack of meaningful exceptions is the hardcoding of some values in the
> > code, instead of having them defined in a resource properties or a
> > constants class.
> >
> > To cut the long story short - the Axis2 team should just agree on and
> > stabilize the basic architecture (mostly interfaces & abstract
> > classes), and not induce big incompatibilities in future releases ,
> > the same applies for configuration files and the like.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Angel
> >
> > On 6/7/07, *Michele Mazzucco* <Michele.Mazzucco@ncl.ac.uk
> > <ma...@ncl.ac.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > Dims,
> >
> > here we go:
> > - Documentation is poor: correct, especially for what concerns the
> > javadoc
> > - Exceptions are quite obscure: that's why I've created JIRA 2229.
> > Furthermore sometimes spurious errors occur ( i.e. I remember once
> > I go a
> > missing ResourceBundle problem and I spent several days to find
> > out what
> > was wrong - and as I understand from the mailing list other people
>got
> > similar issues)
> > - After upgrading from 1.0 to 1.1, config files were not compliant
>any
> > more: correct
> >
> > and finally I would add:
> > - Interfaces change even between the same release
> > - You tend to use reflection even where it's not necessary. This is
> > painful during the configuration as well as during the debug
> >
> >
> > Michele
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:31 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > FYI,
> > http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45716
> > > Please take it with a pinch of salt. There was exactly one
>question
> > > from the guy on the mailing list [1] and absolutely no JIRA's
> > AFAICT.
> > >
> > > Guess, it's time to take stock. What say you folks? What are
> > your pain
> > > point(s). Am asking because we have to plan for a 1.3 release and
> > > we'll try to incorporate the feedback from you all for that.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > dims
> > >
> > > [1] http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b
> > <http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>--
>Thanks,
>Deepal
>................................................................
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>
>
>
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Re: Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
Posted by Deepal Jayasinghe <de...@opensource.lk>.
Hi Angel ,
In the coming hackathon we will make sure NOT to do anymore API changes
, package changes , and configuration file changes (so what we have in
Axis2 1.2 will be there in Axis2 1.3 as well). In the meantime we will
address the issue like not meaningfully exception , java comments etc
etc. , and most importantly we will fix critical JIRAs as well.
Thanks
Deepal
> Hi all,
>
> apart from the "interface change" problem, which is maybe the biggest
> issue we have with Axis2 , and our organization is forced to create
> wrapper APIs to protect internal products from having to change their
> code, I would add that there are many classes in Axis2 that have to be
> marked as "abstract" , but are not. Another issue we encountered is
> the very big latency when loading modules from the repository, when it
> is supplied as a parameter to the AxisConfigurationContext . I agree
> that the documentation is quite poor. Another problem , apart from the
> lack of meaningful exceptions is the hardcoding of some values in the
> code, instead of having them defined in a resource properties or a
> constants class.
>
> To cut the long story short - the Axis2 team should just agree on and
> stabilize the basic architecture (mostly interfaces & abstract
> classes), and not induce big incompatibilities in future releases ,
> the same applies for configuration files and the like.
>
> Regards,
> Angel
>
> On 6/7/07, *Michele Mazzucco* <Michele.Mazzucco@ncl.ac.uk
> <ma...@ncl.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> Dims,
>
> here we go:
> - Documentation is poor: correct, especially for what concerns the
> javadoc
> - Exceptions are quite obscure: that's why I've created JIRA 2229.
> Furthermore sometimes spurious errors occur ( i.e. I remember once
> I go a
> missing ResourceBundle problem and I spent several days to find
> out what
> was wrong - and as I understand from the mailing list other people got
> similar issues)
> - After upgrading from 1.0 to 1.1, config files were not compliant any
> more: correct
>
> and finally I would add:
> - Interfaces change even between the same release
> - You tend to use reflection even where it's not necessary. This is
> painful during the configuration as well as during the debug
>
>
> Michele
>
> On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:31 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > FYI,
> http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45716
> > Please take it with a pinch of salt. There was exactly one question
> > from the guy on the mailing list [1] and absolutely no JIRA's
> AFAICT.
> >
> > Guess, it's time to take stock. What say you folks? What are
> your pain
> > point(s). Am asking because we have to plan for a 1.3 release and
> > we'll try to incorporate the feedback from you all for that.
> >
> > thanks,
> > dims
> >
> > [1] http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b
> <http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b>
>
>
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>
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Thanks,
Deepal
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Re: Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
Posted by Angel Todorov <at...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
apart from the "interface change" problem, which is maybe the biggest issue
we have with Axis2 , and our organization is forced to create wrapper APIs
to protect internal products from having to change their code, I would add
that there are many classes in Axis2 that have to be marked as "abstract" ,
but are not. Another issue we encountered is the very big latency when
loading modules from the repository, when it is supplied as a parameter to
the AxisConfigurationContext . I agree that the documentation is quite poor.
Another problem , apart from the lack of meaningful exceptions is the
hardcoding of some values in the code, instead of having them defined in a
resource properties or a constants class.
To cut the long story short - the Axis2 team should just agree on and
stabilize the basic architecture (mostly interfaces & abstract classes),
and not induce big incompatibilities in future releases , the same applies
for configuration files and the like.
Regards,
Angel
On 6/7/07, Michele Mazzucco <Mi...@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Dims,
>
> here we go:
> - Documentation is poor: correct, especially for what concerns the
> javadoc
> - Exceptions are quite obscure: that's why I've created JIRA 2229.
> Furthermore sometimes spurious errors occur (i.e. I remember once I go a
> missing ResourceBundle problem and I spent several days to find out what
> was wrong - and as I understand from the mailing list other people got
> similar issues)
> - After upgrading from 1.0 to 1.1, config files were not compliant any
> more: correct
>
> and finally I would add:
> - Interfaces change even between the same release
> - You tend to use reflection even where it's not necessary. This is
> painful during the configuration as well as during the debug
>
>
> Michele
>
> On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:31 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > FYI, http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45716
> > Please take it with a pinch of salt. There was exactly one question
> > from the guy on the mailing list [1] and absolutely no JIRA's AFAICT.
> >
> > Guess, it's time to take stock. What say you folks? What are your pain
> > point(s). Am asking because we have to plan for a 1.3 release and
> > we'll try to incorporate the feedback from you all for that.
> >
> > thanks,
> > dims
> >
> > [1] http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b
>
>
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Re: Thread on TSS - "Any good experience with Axis2?"
Posted by Michele Mazzucco <Mi...@ncl.ac.uk>.
Dims,
here we go:
- Documentation is poor: correct, especially for what concerns the
javadoc
- Exceptions are quite obscure: that's why I've created JIRA 2229.
Furthermore sometimes spurious errors occur (i.e. I remember once I go a
missing ResourceBundle problem and I spent several days to find out what
was wrong - and as I understand from the mailing list other people got
similar issues)
- After upgrading from 1.0 to 1.1, config files were not compliant any
more: correct
and finally I would add:
- Interfaces change even between the same release
- You tend to use reflection even where it's not necessary. This is
painful during the configuration as well as during the debug
Michele
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 22:31 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Folks,
>
> FYI, http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=45716
> Please take it with a pinch of salt. There was exactly one question
> from the guy on the mailing list [1] and absolutely no JIRA's AFAICT.
>
> Guess, it's time to take stock. What say you folks? What are your pain
> point(s). Am asking because we have to plan for a 1.3 release and
> we'll try to incorporate the feedback from you all for that.
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> [1] http://marc.info/?l=axis-user&w=2&r=1&s=roch&q=b
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