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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> on 2011/10/29 13:55:44 UTC
Piwi to join the ASF?
Hello all,
we, the maintainers of the Piwi Framework are currently discussing if
we move to the ASF.http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/piwi/?redir=1
Piwi is an xml/xslt transformation framework in PHP. The reason I
write to this list is because Piwi has stolen many things from Cocoon
:-) We are speaking of Generators, Pipelines, Transformers,
Serializers etc. As you can imagine, Piwi is some kind of PHP
implementation of Cocoon. Due to the different nature of PHP we differ
on various places from Cocoon. But after all you can say, if you
manage to work with Cocoon, you have a good chance to understand Piwi
very quickly.
Therefore it might make sense to run Piwi as some kind of Cocoon subproject.
Piwis goal is to create web applications quickly (as so many frameworks).
One of the problems we currently are facing is community. Piwi has
only a small community, users know each one face to face. There are
many strong frameworks out there, like the Zend MVC. This might be a
problem Zeta Components is facing too (another ASF project).
Now I am an ASF committer and member, working on various projects
(including the incubator). For me it makes perfect sense to move the
project to the incubator and start building up a community. Other
projects like Zeta Components and log4php might benefit from it.
Anyway, to make this happen we need help. We are only two guys and
therefore we are looking for other Apache Committers who are
interested in stepping up as initial committers, mentors, champion.
Please shout, if you are interested or let me know what you think abou it
Cheers,Christian
--
http://www.grobmeier.de
Re: Piwi to join the ASF?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi guys,
OTOH I personally would have be pleased on supporting this kind of
initiative, I like the idea of giving PHP users a Cocoon experience!
Disclaimer: I have PHP basics, but no deep knowledge about FWs, so
apologize in advance if it wouldn't fit in that area.
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
http://www.99soft.org/
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Thorsten Scherler <sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 13:55 +0200, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> we, the maintainers of the Piwi Framework are currently discussing if
>> we move to the ASF.http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/piwi/?redir=1
>> Piwi is an xml/xslt transformation framework in PHP. The reason I
>> write to this list is because Piwi has stolen many things from Cocoon
>> :-) We are speaking of Generators, Pipelines, Transformers,
>> Serializers etc. As you can imagine, Piwi is some kind of PHP
>> implementation of Cocoon. Due to the different nature of PHP we differ
>> on various places from Cocoon. But after all you can say, if you
>> manage to work with Cocoon, you have a good chance to understand Piwi
>> very quickly.
>> Therefore it might make sense to run Piwi as some kind of Cocoon subproject.
>>
>> Piwis goal is to create web applications quickly (as so many frameworks).
>>
>> One of the problems we currently are facing is community. Piwi has
>> only a small community, users know each one face to face. There are
>> many strong frameworks out there, like the Zend MVC. This might be a
>> problem Zeta Components is facing too (another ASF project).
>>
>> Now I am an ASF committer and member, working on various projects
>> (including the incubator). For me it makes perfect sense to move the
>> project to the incubator and start building up a community. Other
>> projects like Zeta Components and log4php might benefit from it.
>> Anyway, to make this happen we need help. We are only two guys and
>> therefore we are looking for other Apache Committers who are
>> interested in stepping up as initial committers, mentors, champion.
>> Please shout, if you are interested or let me know what you think abou it
>>
>> Cheers,Christian
>
> Hi Christian,
>
> I can remember http://markmail.org/thread/g3gddotmzdwdc6v5 and
> especially Davids answer http://markmail.org/message/ujr7jrvmgddwcmmc
> ATM IMO substitute forrest with cocoon and you would have an answer.
>
> Do not get me wrong but I am not sure whether similarity in concepts
> justify being subproject of cocoon. Regarding the community I do not
> think that being subproject of cocoon would help with that neither.
>
> salu2
> --
> Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
> codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
> <consulting, training and solutions>
> http://www.codebusters.es/
>
>
Re: Piwi to join the ASF?
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <sc...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 13:55 +0200, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Hello all,
> we, the maintainers of the Piwi Framework are currently discussing if
> we move to the ASF.http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/piwi/?redir=1
> Piwi is an xml/xslt transformation framework in PHP. The reason I
> write to this list is because Piwi has stolen many things from Cocoon
> :-) We are speaking of Generators, Pipelines, Transformers,
> Serializers etc. As you can imagine, Piwi is some kind of PHP
> implementation of Cocoon. Due to the different nature of PHP we differ
> on various places from Cocoon. But after all you can say, if you
> manage to work with Cocoon, you have a good chance to understand Piwi
> very quickly.
> Therefore it might make sense to run Piwi as some kind of Cocoon subproject.
>
> Piwis goal is to create web applications quickly (as so many frameworks).
>
> One of the problems we currently are facing is community. Piwi has
> only a small community, users know each one face to face. There are
> many strong frameworks out there, like the Zend MVC. This might be a
> problem Zeta Components is facing too (another ASF project).
>
> Now I am an ASF committer and member, working on various projects
> (including the incubator). For me it makes perfect sense to move the
> project to the incubator and start building up a community. Other
> projects like Zeta Components and log4php might benefit from it.
> Anyway, to make this happen we need help. We are only two guys and
> therefore we are looking for other Apache Committers who are
> interested in stepping up as initial committers, mentors, champion.
> Please shout, if you are interested or let me know what you think abou it
>
> Cheers,Christian
Hi Christian,
I can remember http://markmail.org/thread/g3gddotmzdwdc6v5 and
especially Davids answer http://markmail.org/message/ujr7jrvmgddwcmmc
ATM IMO substitute forrest with cocoon and you would have an answer.
Do not get me wrong but I am not sure whether similarity in concepts
justify being subproject of cocoon. Regarding the community I do not
think that being subproject of cocoon would help with that neither.
salu2
--
Thorsten Scherler <thorsten.at.apache.org>
codeBusters S.L. - web based systems
<consulting, training and solutions>
http://www.codebusters.es/