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Posted to user@cayenne.apache.org by Borut Bolčina <bo...@gmail.com> on 2010/01/20 12:14:55 UTC
Project site links
Hello,
what happened to some of the links at http://cayenne.apache.org/ ?
I want to access 3.0 JavaDoc from the menu and the resulting url (
http://cayenne.apache.org/doc/api/index.html) is showing me the 3.1-SNAPSHOT
javadoc. There should definitely be a 3.0 API link somewhere on the main
page!
Another broken link is Tutorial (http://cayenne.apache.org/doc/tutorial.html)
which is saying
"There's no Cayenne 3.1 tutorial yet, as 3.1 is still under active
development. You may want to check a tutorial for Cayenne
3.0<http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=CAYDOC30&title=Tutorial>instead."
Very odd. And when one clicks on the above link (
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=CAYDOC30&title=Tutorial),
you have to have an account for wiki (very unfriendly for new comers). And
even when one creates an account (as I just did), you get "You are not
permitted to perform this operation."
This is a real blocker - like saying "Go away, we don't want you to learn
Cayenne".
I suspect there are more links that lead to dead ends on the site.
Cheers,
Borut
Re: Project site links
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Thanks for bringing it up. We are working on it (see discussion on dev@cayenne.a.o
).
Andrus
On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Borut Bolčina wrote:
> Hello,
>
> what happened to some of the links at http://cayenne.apache.org/ ?
>
> I want to access 3.0 JavaDoc from the menu and the resulting url (
> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc/api/index.html) is showing me the 3.1-
> SNAPSHOT
> javadoc. There should definitely be a 3.0 API link somewhere on the
> main
> page!
>
> Another broken link is Tutorial (http://cayenne.apache.org/doc/tutorial.html
> )
> which is saying
> "There's no Cayenne 3.1 tutorial yet, as 3.1 is still under active
> development. You may want to check a tutorial for Cayenne
> 3.0<http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=CAYDOC30&title=Tutorial
> >instead."
>
> Very odd. And when one clicks on the above link (
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=CAYDOC30&title=Tutorial)
> ,
> you have to have an account for wiki (very unfriendly for new
> comers). And
> even when one creates an account (as I just did), you get "You are not
> permitted to perform this operation."
>
> This is a real blocker - like saying "Go away, we don't want you to
> learn
> Cayenne".
>
> I suspect there are more links that lead to dead ends on the site.
>
> Cheers,
> Borut
Re: Project site links
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Never mind. Just noticed Ari's commit from yesterday. So I fixed the
page template in SVN and applied it to the wiki.
Andrus
On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>> I got to that page from a link on the site. I guess something was
>> cached. Now the tutorial ToC looks correct. Strange.
>>
>>> The Confluence export thing doesn't deal with deleted pages very
>>> well.
>>
>> Yeah I know. The way I handled it in the past is by deleting old
>> pages inside a cron'd rsync script.
>>
>> Andrus
>
> Found it (after a report on the user list). "Getting Started" link
> in the main menu on the left points to:
>
> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/quick-start.html
>
> While it should point to
>
> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/tutorial.html
>
> Ari, I didn't change the templates, as you may have some local
> uncommitted changes to them. Just one note on deleting obsolete
> pages. I was using the following script to accomplish that, manually
> adding newly obsolete pages once they were deleted from wiki:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cayenne/site/trunk/tlp-site/bin/site-sync
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
Re: Project site links
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
Thanks for fixing that. I've been offline for 12 hours now (which seems to be the longest time away from this internet thing for years!).
I'll put some notes in svn about how the two scripts are being used at the moment. And for the most part, I do try to keep the confluence template updated in svn. Just be sure to update all the templates if you change something: there are quite a few Confluence spaces now and for consistency I try to keep them all in sync, even the DataViews one.
Cheers
Ari
On 23/01/10 6:18 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>> I got to that page from a link on the site. I guess something was
>> cached. Now the tutorial ToC looks correct. Strange.
>>
>>> The Confluence export thing doesn't deal with deleted pages very well.
>>
>> Yeah I know. The way I handled it in the past is by deleting old pages
>> inside a cron'd rsync script.
>>
>> Andrus
>
> Found it (after a report on the user list). "Getting Started" link in
> the main menu on the left points to:
>
> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/quick-start.html
>
> While it should point to
>
> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/tutorial.html
>
> Ari, I didn't change the templates, as you may have some local
> uncommitted changes to them. Just one note on deleting obsolete pages. I
> was using the following script to accomplish that, manually adding newly
> obsolete pages once they were deleted from wiki:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cayenne/site/trunk/tlp-site/bin/site-sync
>
> Andrus
>
>
--
-------------------------->
Aristedes Maniatis
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: Project site links
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> I got to that page from a link on the site. I guess something was
> cached. Now the tutorial ToC looks correct. Strange.
>
>> The Confluence export thing doesn't deal with deleted pages very
>> well.
>
> Yeah I know. The way I handled it in the past is by deleting old
> pages inside a cron'd rsync script.
>
> Andrus
Found it (after a report on the user list). "Getting Started" link in
the main menu on the left points to:
http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/quick-start.html
While it should point to
http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/tutorial.html
Ari, I didn't change the templates, as you may have some local
uncommitted changes to them. Just one note on deleting obsolete pages.
I was using the following script to accomplish that, manually adding
newly obsolete pages once they were deleted from wiki:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cayenne/site/trunk/tlp-site/bin/site-sync
Andrus
Re: Project site links
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
I got to that page from a link on the site. I guess something was
cached. Now the tutorial ToC looks correct. Strange.
> The Confluence export thing doesn't deal with deleted pages very well.
Yeah I know. The way I handled it in the past is by deleting old pages
inside a cron'd rsync script.
Andrus
On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> Your URLs are different. Aren't they supposed to be different?
>
> And this page:
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC30/Tutorial+Starting+Mapping+Project
>
> was deleted some time ago. The Confluence export thing doesn't deal
> with deleted pages very well.
>
> Ari
>
> On 22/01/10 7:05 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> Now I see the menus are updated. Very cool.
>>
>> Although it looks like the autoexport for 3.0 space is not fully
>> working. E.g. compare this wiki page with autoexported page - the are
>> different:
>>
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC30/Tutorial+Starting+Project
>>
>> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/tutorial-starting-mapping-
>> project.html
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>>> On 20/01/10 10:53 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't want to rearrange the web site too early and show 3.0
>>>>> looking
>>>>> like it was complete. For the immediate short term, I'll switch
>>>>> in all
>>>>> the 3.0 documentation into place on the site.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds great. I guess we still want to encourage people to try 3.0,
>>>> while indicating that it is not complete. So maybe also change "(in
>>>> development)" label on the left to "(release candidate)"?
>>>
>>>
>>> For some reason it took over 12 hours for the site to update from
>>> p.a.o to the live servers, but it is there now. So I just changed
>>> the
>>> Confluence templates to something sensible and we'll update them
>>> again
>>> when we release 3.0.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ari
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -------------------------->
>>> Aristedes Maniatis
>>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>>
>>
>
> --
> -------------------------->
> Aristedes Maniatis
> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>
Re: Project site links
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
Your URLs are different. Aren't they supposed to be different?
And this page:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC30/Tutorial+Starting+Mapping+Project
was deleted some time ago. The Confluence export thing doesn't deal with deleted pages very well.
Ari
On 22/01/10 7:05 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Now I see the menus are updated. Very cool.
>
> Although it looks like the autoexport for 3.0 space is not fully
> working. E.g. compare this wiki page with autoexported page - the are
> different:
>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC30/Tutorial+Starting+Project
>
> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/tutorial-starting-mapping-project.html
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>> On 20/01/10 10:53 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>>>
>>>> I didn't want to rearrange the web site too early and show 3.0 looking
>>>> like it was complete. For the immediate short term, I'll switch in all
>>>> the 3.0 documentation into place on the site.
>>>
>>> Sounds great. I guess we still want to encourage people to try 3.0,
>>> while indicating that it is not complete. So maybe also change "(in
>>> development)" label on the left to "(release candidate)"?
>>
>>
>> For some reason it took over 12 hours for the site to update from
>> p.a.o to the live servers, but it is there now. So I just changed the
>> Confluence templates to something sensible and we'll update them again
>> when we release 3.0.
>>
>>
>> Ari
>>
>>
>> --
>> -------------------------->
>> Aristedes Maniatis
>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>
>
--
-------------------------->
Aristedes Maniatis
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: Project site links
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Now I see the menus are updated. Very cool.
Although it looks like the autoexport for 3.0 space is not fully
working. E.g. compare this wiki page with autoexported page - the are
different:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAYDOC30/Tutorial+Starting+Project
http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/tutorial-starting-mapping-project.html
Andrus
On Jan 21, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> On 20/01/10 10:53 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't want to rearrange the web site too early and show 3.0
>>> looking
>>> like it was complete. For the immediate short term, I'll switch in
>>> all
>>> the 3.0 documentation into place on the site.
>>
>> Sounds great. I guess we still want to encourage people to try 3.0,
>> while indicating that it is not complete. So maybe also change "(in
>> development)" label on the left to "(release candidate)"?
>
>
> For some reason it took over 12 hours for the site to update from
> p.a.o to the live servers, but it is there now. So I just changed
> the Confluence templates to something sensible and we'll update them
> again when we release 3.0.
>
>
> Ari
>
>
> --
> -------------------------->
> Aristedes Maniatis
> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>
Re: Project site links
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 20/01/10 10:53 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>
>> I didn't want to rearrange the web site too early and show 3.0 looking
>> like it was complete. For the immediate short term, I'll switch in all
>> the 3.0 documentation into place on the site.
>
> Sounds great. I guess we still want to encourage people to try 3.0,
> while indicating that it is not complete. So maybe also change "(in
> development)" label on the left to "(release candidate)"?
For some reason it took over 12 hours for the site to update from p.a.o to the live servers, but it is there now. So I just changed the Confluence templates to something sensible and we'll update them again when we release 3.0.
Ari
--
-------------------------->
Aristedes Maniatis
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: Project site links
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> I didn't want to rearrange the web site too early and show 3.0
> looking like it was complete. For the immediate short term, I'll
> switch in all the 3.0 documentation into place on the site.
Sounds great. I guess we still want to encourage people to try 3.0,
while indicating that it is not complete. So maybe also change "(in
development)" label on the left to "(release candidate)"?
Andrus
Re: Project site links
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 20/01/10 10:19 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> This is something I mentioned before.
>
> Ari, do we still have any unresolved problems preventing us from
> publishing 3.0 docs under http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/ and fixing
> the menu links? Would be nice if we could fix it.
Yeah, I got the scripts running yesterday since the Hudson builds are now producing javadoc reliably. There appears to be a permissions problem I thought I solved 4 hours ago and was just waiting for rsync to catch up to, but it is still a problem.
http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/api
I've got a bit of time tonight to sort it out.
I didn't want to rearrange the web site too early and show 3.0 looking like it was complete. For the immediate short term, I'll switch in all the 3.0 documentation into place on the site.
Ari
--
-------------------------->
Aristedes Maniatis
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: Project site links
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
This is something I mentioned before.
Ari, do we still have any unresolved problems preventing us from
publishing 3.0 docs under http://cayenne.apache.org/doc30/ and fixing
the menu links? Would be nice if we could fix it.
Andrus
On Jan 20, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Borut Bolčina wrote:
> Hello,
>
> what happened to some of the links at http://cayenne.apache.org/ ?
>
> I want to access 3.0 JavaDoc from the menu and the resulting url (
> http://cayenne.apache.org/doc/api/index.html) is showing me the 3.1-
> SNAPSHOT
> javadoc. There should definitely be a 3.0 API link somewhere on the
> main
> page!
>
> Another broken link is Tutorial (http://cayenne.apache.org/doc/tutorial.html
> )
> which is saying
> "There's no Cayenne 3.1 tutorial yet, as 3.1 is still under active
> development. You may want to check a tutorial for Cayenne
> 3.0<http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=CAYDOC30&title=Tutorial
> >instead."
>
> Very odd. And when one clicks on the above link (
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/createpage.action?spaceKey=CAYDOC30&title=Tutorial)
> ,
> you have to have an account for wiki (very unfriendly for new
> comers). And
> even when one creates an account (as I just did), you get "You are not
> permitted to perform this operation."
>
> This is a real blocker - like saying "Go away, we don't want you to
> learn
> Cayenne".
>
> I suspect there are more links that lead to dead ends on the site.
>
> Cheers,
> Borut