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changing themes in flat grey.
did this get added if so where.
once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
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Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
+1 for collapsing headers at large
Jacques
Ryan Foster wrote:
> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old
> School" (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat Grey), I believe there is actually more total
> workspace area in the new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the fold on the old vs. new.
>
> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to the new theme the ability to collapse the header again.
> That way, if you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period
> of time and did not have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could collapse it out of the way and free up even
> more screen space.
>
> Ryan L. Foster
> 801.671.0769
> contact@ryanlfoster.com
> ryanlfoster.com
>
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy
>> to me. however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the reason they were put at the bottom in the first place,
>> and the real estate.
>>
>> just my 2 cnets
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011 12:08 PM:
>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was made as
>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a bit,
>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>
>>>> just a note:
>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>> estate also.
>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>> screen space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
I guess it got missed that my orginal problem was that if messes up all
my selenium tests. I don't plan on redoing them because of a theme change.
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/4/2011 10:43 AM:
> Okay - I understand.
>
> Keep in mind that the things we discussed in this thread were good
> suggestions and I hope they will get implemented.
>
> The new Flat Grey theme could benefit from a collapsible main navigation
> bar, and an optional main navigation column. It would also be nice to
> tighten up the layout a bit, but not make it as tiny and crowded as the
> original theme.
>
> Hopefully, after some of those changes are made you will warm up to it.
>
> -Adrian
>
> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>
>> the comparison came fromm Ryan saying why did the changes and I was
>> showing they did not follow what he said.
>> I am willing to drop it.
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/4/2011
>> 10:17 AM:
>>> I didn't miss the screen comparison.
>>>
>>> It seems to me we are whipping a dead horse in this thread. I understand
>>> you don't like the updated theme - so I zipped up the old one and put it
>>> in the theme gallery. You are welcome to continue using the old theme.
>>> People who prefer the updated theme can use the updated theme. So, why
>>> do we need to keep making comparisons?
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>
>>>> Adrian. I have problem with the new layout on the naming and removal
>>>> of the original theme.
>>>> all your points are addressed in the new theme so if someone wants it
>>>> they can choose it.
>>>> you missed the screen usage compare the one that Ryan provided to the
>>>> one I provided and there is more data available in the old theme for
>>>> the same screen space.
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 9:15 PM:
>>>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
>>>>> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
>>>>> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>> oops.
>>>>>> guess I can't send images.
>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing
>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old
>>>>>>>>>>> School"
>>>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New
>>>>>>>>>>> Flat
>>>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
>>>>>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to
>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the
>>>>>>>>>>>> following on
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>.
I think we are splitting hairs here. I was simply saying that the total screen area (header + footer) was about the same. The header in the new theme is roughly 180px vs. the old theme which is about 160px so, a difference of about 20px. But the footer in the new theme is smaller than the footer in the old theme, so the net result is about the same. I think we can all agree that looking at a modern web application through an 800x600 screen sucks anyway that you look at it, so let's just move on.
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
contact@ryanlfoster.com
ryanlfoster.com
On Feb 4, 2011, at 11:43 AM, adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com wrote:
> Okay - I understand.
>
> Keep in mind that the things we discussed in this thread were good suggestions and I hope they will get implemented.
>
> The new Flat Grey theme could benefit from a collapsible main navigation bar, and an optional main navigation column. It would also be nice to tighten up the layout a bit, but not make it as tiny and crowded as the original theme.
>
> Hopefully, after some of those changes are made you will warm up to it.
>
> -Adrian
>
> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>
>> the comparison came fromm Ryan saying why did the changes and I was showing they did not follow what he said.
>> I am willing to drop it.
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/4/2011 10:17 AM:
>>> I didn't miss the screen comparison.
>>>
>>> It seems to me we are whipping a dead horse in this thread. I understand
>>> you don't like the updated theme - so I zipped up the old one and put it
>>> in the theme gallery. You are welcome to continue using the old theme.
>>> People who prefer the updated theme can use the updated theme. So, why
>>> do we need to keep making comparisons?
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>
>>>> Adrian. I have problem with the new layout on the naming and removal
>>>> of the original theme.
>>>> all your points are addressed in the new theme so if someone wants it
>>>> they can choose it.
>>>> you missed the screen usage compare the one that Ryan provided to the
>>>> one I provided and there is more data available in the old theme for
>>>> the same screen space.
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 9:15 PM:
>>>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
>>>>> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
>>>>> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>> oops.
>>>>>> guess I can't send images.
>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing
>>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New
>>>>>>>>>>> Flat
>>>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
>>>>>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by ad...@sandglass-software.com.
Okay - I understand.
Keep in mind that the things we discussed in this thread were good
suggestions and I hope they will get implemented.
The new Flat Grey theme could benefit from a collapsible main
navigation bar, and an optional main navigation column. It would also
be nice to tighten up the layout a bit, but not make it as tiny and
crowded as the original theme.
Hopefully, after some of those changes are made you will warm up to it.
-Adrian
Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
> the comparison came fromm Ryan saying why did the changes and I was
> showing they did not follow what he said.
> I am willing to drop it.
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/4/2011 10:17 AM:
>> I didn't miss the screen comparison.
>>
>> It seems to me we are whipping a dead horse in this thread. I understand
>> you don't like the updated theme - so I zipped up the old one and put it
>> in the theme gallery. You are welcome to continue using the old theme.
>> People who prefer the updated theme can use the updated theme. So, why
>> do we need to keep making comparisons?
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>
>>> Adrian. I have problem with the new layout on the naming and removal
>>> of the original theme.
>>> all your points are addressed in the new theme so if someone wants it
>>> they can choose it.
>>> you missed the screen usage compare the one that Ryan provided to the
>>> one I provided and there is more data available in the old theme for
>>> the same screen space.
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 9:15 PM:
>>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>>>> discussed.
>>>>
>>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>>>
>>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
>>>> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
>>>> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> -Adrian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>> oops.
>>>>> guess I can't send images.
>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing
>>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New
>>>>>>>>>> Flat
>>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
>>>>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the
>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
the comparison came fromm Ryan saying why did the changes and I was
showing they did not follow what he said.
I am willing to drop it.
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/4/2011 10:17 AM:
> I didn't miss the screen comparison.
>
> It seems to me we are whipping a dead horse in this thread. I understand
> you don't like the updated theme - so I zipped up the old one and put it
> in the theme gallery. You are welcome to continue using the old theme.
> People who prefer the updated theme can use the updated theme. So, why
> do we need to keep making comparisons?
>
> -Adrian
>
> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>
>> Adrian. I have problem with the new layout on the naming and removal
>> of the original theme.
>> all your points are addressed in the new theme so if someone wants it
>> they can choose it.
>> you missed the screen usage compare the one that Ryan provided to the
>> one I provided and there is more data available in the old theme for
>> the same screen space.
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 9:15 PM:
>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>>> discussed.
>>>
>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>>
>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
>>> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
>>> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> oops.
>>>> guess I can't send images.
>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing
>>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New
>>>>>>>>> Flat
>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
>>>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the
>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up
>>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by ad...@sandglass-software.com.
I didn't miss the screen comparison.
It seems to me we are whipping a dead horse in this thread. I
understand you don't like the updated theme - so I zipped up the old
one and put it in the theme gallery. You are welcome to continue using
the old theme. People who prefer the updated theme can use the updated
theme. So, why do we need to keep making comparisons?
-Adrian
Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
> Adrian. I have problem with the new layout on the naming and removal
> of the original theme.
> all your points are addressed in the new theme so if someone wants
> it they can choose it.
> you missed the screen usage compare the one that Ryan provided to
> the one I provided and there is more data available in the old theme
> for the same screen space.
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 9:15 PM:
>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>> discussed.
>>
>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>
>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
>> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
>> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>>
>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> oops.
>>> guess I can't send images.
>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
Adrian. I have problem with the new layout on the naming and removal of
the original theme.
all your points are addressed in the new theme so if someone wants it
they can choose it.
you missed the screen usage compare the one that Ryan provided to the
one I provided and there is more data available in the old theme for the
same screen space.
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 9:15 PM:
> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
> discussed.
>
> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>
> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>
> ;-)
>
> -Adrian
>
>
> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> oops.
>> guess I can't send images.
>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>
>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>> Windows XP at
>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>> greatest.
>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>>> the
>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>> column.
>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
thanks Jacques
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/4/2011 11:55 AM:
> It's reloading...
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>> I see what you mean.
>> looks like one of IE gotchas for CSS
>> can't test on latest trunk since someone remove the admin rights from
>> the products application.
>>
>>
>> =========================
>>
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Mike sent the following on 2/4/2011 8:26 AM:
>>> I noticed you are using Firefox. Have you had the chance to test
>>> "Browse Catalogs/Categories" using IE? Even with the original
>>> oldschool theme, it doesn't work for me. Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Adrian Crum
>>> <ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
>>>> Still working on it...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sandglass-software.com/temp/1280x768.JPG
>>>>
>>>> -Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/2011 9:15 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>>>>> discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
>>>>> looking
>>>>> main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the main
>>>>> navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oops.
>>>>>> guess I can't send images.
>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability
>>>>>>>>> to use
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for
>>>>>>>>>> committing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old
>>>>>>>>>>> School"
>>>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey"
>>>>>>>>>>> (New Flat
>>>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area
>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in
>>>>>>>>>>> relation to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add
>>>>>>>>>>> back in
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
>>>>>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time
>>>>>>>>>>> and did
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to
>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the real
>>>>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the
>>>>>>>>>>>> following on
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
It's reloading...
Jacques
From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>I see what you mean.
> looks like one of IE gotchas for CSS
> can't test on latest trunk since someone remove the admin rights from
> the products application.
>
>
> =========================
>
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Mike sent the following on 2/4/2011 8:26 AM:
>> I noticed you are using Firefox. Have you had the chance to test
>> "Browse Catalogs/Categories" using IE? Even with the original
>> oldschool theme, it doesn't work for me. Thanks.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Adrian Crum
>> <ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
>>> Still working on it...
>>>
>>> http://www.sandglass-software.com/temp/1280x768.JPG
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> On 2/3/2011 9:15 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>>>> discussed.
>>>>
>>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>>>
>>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid looking
>>>> main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the main
>>>> navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>>>
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> -Adrian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> oops.
>>>>> guess I can't send images.
>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
I see what you mean.
looks like one of IE gotchas for CSS
can't test on latest trunk since someone remove the admin rights from
the products application.
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Mike sent the following on 2/4/2011 8:26 AM:
> I noticed you are using Firefox. Have you had the chance to test
> "Browse Catalogs/Categories" using IE? Even with the original
> oldschool theme, it doesn't work for me. Thanks.
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Adrian Crum
> <ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
>> Still working on it...
>>
>> http://www.sandglass-software.com/temp/1280x768.JPG
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> On 2/3/2011 9:15 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>>> discussed.
>>>
>>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>>
>>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid looking
>>> main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the main
>>> navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> oops.
>>>> guess I can't send images.
>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Mike <mz...@gmail.com>.
I noticed you are using Firefox. Have you had the chance to test
"Browse Catalogs/Categories" using IE? Even with the original
oldschool theme, it doesn't work for me. Thanks.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Adrian Crum
<ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
> Still working on it...
>
> http://www.sandglass-software.com/temp/1280x768.JPG
>
> -Adrian
>
> On 2/3/2011 9:15 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>> discussed.
>>
>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>
>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid looking
>> main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the main
>> navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>>
>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>> oops.
>>> guess I can't send images.
>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>>
>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
what does this look like with 800x600
Adrian Crum sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:33 PM:
> Still working on it...
>
> http://www.sandglass-software.com/temp/1280x768.JPG
>
> -Adrian
>
> On 2/3/2011 9:15 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
>> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
>> discussed.
>>
>> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>>
>> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
>> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
>> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>>
>> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> oops.
>>> guess I can't send images.
>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>>> Windows XP at
>>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>>> greatest.
>>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>>> column.
>>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing
>>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New
>>>>>>>> Flat
>>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
>>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under
>>>>>>>>> accessibility for
>>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the
>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user
>>>>>>>>>>>> will set
>>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@sandglass-software.com>.
Still working on it...
http://www.sandglass-software.com/temp/1280x768.JPG
-Adrian
On 2/3/2011 9:15 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
> Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
> discussed.
>
> Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
>
> Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
> looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
> main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
>
> ;-)
>
> -Adrian
>
>
> On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> oops.
>> guess I can't send images.
>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>>
>>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>>> Windows XP at
>>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>>> greatest.
>>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>>> the
>>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>>> column.
>>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New
>>>>>>> Flat
>>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>>> in to
>>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>>> did not
>>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under
>>>>>>>> accessibility for
>>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the
>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user
>>>>>>>>>>> will set
>>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@sandglass-software.com>.
Thanks for the pic BJ! It demonstrates some of the things that we have
discussed.
Look at the main navigation tabs. Just look at them.
Notice how much unused space there is on the right side of the screen.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a visual theme that fixed the horrid
looking main navigation tabs, and also had the ability to collapse the
main navigation or make it a column on the left side of the screen?
;-)
-Adrian
On 2/3/2011 8:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> oops.
> guess I can't send images.
> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
>> here is the oldschool 800x600
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>>
>>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>>> Windows XP at
>>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>>> greatest.
>>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>>> the
>>>> newer stuff?
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>>> column.
>>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back
>>>>>> in to
>>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and
>>>>>> did not
>>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up
>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quoting BJ
>>>>>>>> Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have
>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will
>>>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
oops.
guess I can't send images.
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/customerSupport/ofbiz/800x600.jpg
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
BJ Freeman sent the following on 2/3/2011 8:45 PM:
> here is the oldschool 800x600
>
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
> Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
>
>> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on
>> Windows XP at
>> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>>
>>
>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>> 801.671.0769
>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>>> greatest.
>>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>>> the
>>> newer stuff?
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>>>
>>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
>>>> column.
>>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>>
>>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>>
>>>> -Adrian
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Ryan
>>>> Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the
>>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to
>>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did not
>>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for
>>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>>> estate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on
>>>>>> 2/2/2011
>>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of
>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>>> made as
>>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a
>>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting BJ Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their
>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom,
>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
here is the oldschool 800x600
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ryan Foster sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:43 AM:
> We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on Windows XP at
> 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
>
>
> *Ryan L. Foster*
> 801.671.0769
> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>
> On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and greatest.
>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use the
>> newer stuff?
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com<ma...@sandglass-software.com>
>> sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a column.
>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>
>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> Quoting Ryan Foster<co...@ryanlfoster.com>>:
>>>
>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the
>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>
>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to
>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did not
>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for
>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>> estate.
>>>>>
>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com
>>>>> <ma...@sandglass-software.com> sent the following on 2/2/2011
>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>> made as
>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a
>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting BJ Freeman<bj...@free-man.net>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>.
We did design to the minimum. Flat Grey was tested down to IE7 on Windows XP at 800x600. Here is a screen shot.
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
contact@ryanlfoster.com
ryanlfoster.com
On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and greatest.
> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use the newer stuff?
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a column.
>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>
>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> Quoting Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>:
>>
>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the
>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>
>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to
>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did not
>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>
>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for
>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>> estate.
>>>>
>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011
>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>> made as
>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a
>>>>> bit,
>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
along with that I have data collected from my five domain with awstats.
Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:56 AM:
> Trend: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp
> <<W3Schools.com is for people with an interest for web technologies.
> This fact indicates that the figures below might not be 100% true for
> the average internet users. The average user might have a lower screen
> resolution.>>
> I think this is even most true when you speak about internal material.
> Despite that, I believe the trend is significant...
>
> Jacques
>
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and
>> greatest.
>> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
>> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
>> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
>> the newer stuff?
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/3/2011
>> 10:09 AM:
>>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a column.
>>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>>
>>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> Quoting Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>:
>>>
>>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the
>>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>>
>>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to
>>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did not
>>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for
>>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>>> estate.
>>>>>
>>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011
>>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>>> made as
>>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a
>>>>>> bit,
>>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>>>>>>>> footer,
>>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser
>>>>>>>>> shows the
>>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Trend: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp
<<W3Schools.com is for people with an interest for web technologies. This fact indicates that the figures below might not be 100%
true for the average internet users. The average user might have a lower screen resolution.>>
I think this is even most true when you speak about internal material. Despite that, I believe the trend is significant...
Jacques
BJ Freeman wrote:
> how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and greatest.
> most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
> and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
> should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
> the newer stuff?
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
>> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a column.
>> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>>
>> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> Quoting Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>:
>>
>>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the
>>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>>
>>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to
>>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did not
>>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>>
>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for
>>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>>> estate.
>>>>
>>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011
>>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
>>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>>> made as
>>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a
>>>>> bit,
>>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Adrian
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> just a note:
>>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>>> estate also.
>>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
how many companies to you know that go out and get the latest and greatest.
most have a 15in 1024x768, that I deal with.
and a lot use the new netbooks which have a 10in to 11in 1024x600
should not we design for the minimum standard with the ability to use
the newer stuff?
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/3/2011 10:09 AM:
> Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a column.
> Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
>
> I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
>
> -Adrian
>
> Quoting Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>:
>
>> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
>> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
>> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
>> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
>> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the
>> fold on the old vs. new.
>>
>> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to
>> the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if
>> you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog
>> Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did not
>> have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could
>> collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>>
>> Ryan L. Foster
>> 801.671.0769
>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>> ryanlfoster.com
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for
>>> the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>>> estate.
>>>
>>> just my 2 cnets
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011
>>> 12:08 PM:
>>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
>>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was
>>>> made as
>>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a
>>>> bit,
>>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>>
>>>> -Adrian
>>>>
>>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> just a note:
>>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>>> estate also.
>>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>>> screen space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by ad...@sandglass-software.com.
Or have the option to move the masthead and main navigation to a
column. Modern wide screen monitors have plenty of horizontal space.
I have a patch that does that, but it's not ready for committing yet.
-Adrian
Quoting Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>:
> Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and
> compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School"
> (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat
> Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the
> new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to
> the fold on the old vs. new.
>
> I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in
> to the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That
> way, if you are working in a particular application such as the
> Catalog Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time
> and did not have an immediate need for the main application nav, you
> could collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
>
> Ryan L. Foster
> 801.671.0769
> contact@ryanlfoster.com
> ryanlfoster.com
>
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility
>> for the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
>> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the
>> reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real
>> estate.
>>
>> just my 2 cnets
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011 12:08 PM:
>>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
>>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was made as
>>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a bit,
>>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>>
>>>> just a note:
>>>> under freeing up screen space
>>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>>> estate also.
>>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>>> screen space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>>> navigation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>>>> header.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>.
Actually, if you were to calculate total screen real estate and compare pixels of the header, tabs, and footer of the "Old School" (Old Flat Grey) vs. the header and footer of "Dorian Grey" (New Flat Grey), I believe there is actually more total workspace area in the new theme. The difference is where those pieces are in relation to the fold on the old vs. new.
I do think that it would be be a good idea, however, to add back in to the new theme the ability to collapse the header again. That way, if you are working in a particular application such as the Catalog Manager or Accounting, etc. for an extended period of time and did not have an immediate need for the main application nav, you could collapse it out of the way and free up even more screen space.
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
contact@ryanlfoster.com
ryanlfoster.com
On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:32 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for the oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
> however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the reason they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real estate.
>
> just my 2 cnets
>
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011 12:08 PM:
>> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
>> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was made as
>> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a bit,
>> but at the cost of less work area space.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>>
>>> just a note:
>>> under freeing up screen space
>>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>>> estate also.
>>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>>> screen space.
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>>> navigation.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>>> scrolling.
>>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>>> header.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> //
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
ctrl + in a browser, allows larger text plus under accessibility for the
oS you can choose larger font, so that is not a biggy to me.
however all the extra component tabs at the top goes against the reason
they were put at the bottom in the first place, and the real estate.
just my 2 cnets
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 2/2/2011 12:08 PM:
> One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
> Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was made as
> small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a bit,
> but at the cost of less work area space.
>
> -Adrian
>
> Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>
>> just a note:
>> under freeing up screen space
>> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real
>> estate also.
>> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
>> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
>> screen space.
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>> navigation.
>>>
>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>> scrolling.
>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>> header.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>
>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> //
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by ad...@sandglass-software.com.
One of the advantages/disadvantages (depending on your POV) of the old
Flat Grey theme was the tiny text and tiny links. Everything was made
as small as possible. The updated theme enlarges and opens up things a
bit, but at the cost of less work area space.
-Adrian
Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
> just a note:
> under freeing up screen space
> add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real estate also.
> on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
> when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
> screen space.
>
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>> this is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>> footer, freeing up more screen space for the more important
>> day-to-day information, and de-cluttering the header to put the
>> focus on navigation.
>>
>> Ryan L. Foster
>> 801.671.0769
>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>> ryanlfoster.com
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>> scrolling.
>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows
>>> the header.
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier
>>> Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>
>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>> list, but I have
>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>> /
>>>> /
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
just a note:
under freeing up screen space
add the tabs that were at the bottom of the screen takes up real estate
also.
on a 1024X760 screen the menus wrap causing less screen space.
when comparing the now Old school to the new flat Grey I have less
screen space.
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 11:44 AM:
> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer, freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on navigation.
>
> Ryan L. Foster
> 801.671.0769
> contact@ryanlfoster.com
> ryanlfoster.com
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without scrolling.
>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the header.
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time Zone, Language,
>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>
>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing list, but I have
>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>> /
>>> /
>>> //
>>>
>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Mike <mz...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Adrian. I downloaded, installed, tested and comitted it to by
local trunk repository. I feel more at home with the backend
interface now. Thanks. Let me know when you add "oldschool" back in
[grin].
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:00 PM, <ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
> Btw, the old Flat Grey theme is available in the Theme Gallery. It's called
> Old School.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBIZ/visual-themes-gallery.html
>
> -Adrian
>
> Quoting Mike <mz...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Agreed. I started using the original flat grey theme and never changed
>> it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time Zone,
>>> Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set their personal
>>> preferences and may never change it again. Since this is information is of
>>> a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer, freeing up more screen
>>> space for the more important day-to-day information, and de-cluttering the
>>> header to put the focus on navigation.
>>>
>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>> scrolling.
>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>> header.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time Zone,
>>>>> Language,
>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>
>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing list,
>>>>> but I have
>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> //
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
renamed the new flatgrey to newrtllayout
kept the orginal flatgrey as that name.
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
adrian.crum@sandglass-software.com sent the following on 1/31/2011 2:00 PM:
> Btw, the old Flat Grey theme is available in the Theme Gallery. It's
> called Old School.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBIZ/visual-themes-gallery.html
>
> -Adrian
>
> Quoting Mike <mz...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Agreed. I started using the original flat grey theme and never changed
>> it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ryan Foster
>> <co...@ryanlfoster.com> wrote:
>>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this
>>> is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer,
>>> freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day
>>> information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on
>>> navigation.
>>>
>>> Ryan L. Foster
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>>> ryanlfoster.com
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>>> scrolling.
>>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the
>>>> header.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>>
>>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>>> list, but I have
>>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>>> /
>>>>> /
>>>>> //
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by ad...@sandglass-software.com.
Btw, the old Flat Grey theme is available in the Theme Gallery. It's
called Old School.
https://cwiki.apache.org/OFBIZ/visual-themes-gallery.html
-Adrian
Quoting Mike <mz...@gmail.com>:
> Agreed. I started using the original flat grey theme and never changed it.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ryan Foster
> <co...@ryanlfoster.com> wrote:
>> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time
>> Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set
>> their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since
>> this is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the
>> footer, freeing up more screen space for the more important
>> day-to-day information, and de-cluttering the header to put the
>> focus on navigation.
>>
>> Ryan L. Foster
>> 801.671.0769
>> contact@ryanlfoster.com
>> ryanlfoster.com
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
>>> scrolling.
>>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows
>>> the header.
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time
>>>> Zone, Language,
>>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>>
>>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing
>>>> list, but I have
>>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>>> /
>>>> /
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>>> 801.671.0769
>>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com>
>>>>> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Mike <mz...@gmail.com>.
Agreed. I started using the original flat grey theme and never changed it.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com> wrote:
> The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer, freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on navigation.
>
> Ryan L. Foster
> 801.671.0769
> contact@ryanlfoster.com
> ryanlfoster.com
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without scrolling.
>> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the header.
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time Zone, Language,
>>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>>
>>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing list, but I have
>>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>>> /
>>> /
>>> //
>>>
>>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>>> did this get added if so where.
>>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>.
The vast majority of end users are only going to setting their Time Zone, Language, and Preferred Theme once. A typical user will set their personal preferences and may never change it again. Since this is information is of a peripheral nature, it was moved to the footer, freeing up more screen space for the more important day-to-day information, and de-cluttering the header to put the focus on navigation.
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
contact@ryanlfoster.com
ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 31, 2011, at 12:02 PM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without scrolling.
> if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the header.
>
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
>> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time Zone, Language,
>> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>>
>> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing list, but I have
>> included a screenshot for reference)/
>> /
>> /
>> //
>>
>> *Ryan L. Foster*
>> 801.671.0769
>> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
>> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> did this get added if so where.
>>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
on my screen only get half a page so don't see the bottom, without
scrolling.
if there a reason it can't be on the top where the browser shows the header.
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/31/2011 9:50 AM:
> Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time Zone, Language,
> and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
>
> /(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing list, but I have
> included a screenshot for reference)/
> /
> /
> //
>
> *Ryan L. Foster*
> 801.671.0769
> contact@ryanlfoster.com<ma...@ryanlfoster.com>
> ryanlfoster.com<http://ryanlfoster.com>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> did this get added if so where.
>> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com<http://Specialtymarket.com> <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by Ryan Foster <co...@ryanlfoster.com>.
Look at the bottom of the page. All preferences, including Time Zone, Language, and Theme are now in the footer on the Flat Grey theme.
(not sure if everyone can see image attachments on the mailing list, but I have included a screenshot for reference)
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
contact@ryanlfoster.com
ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 31, 2011, at 10:22 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> did this get added if so where.
> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
Re: changing themes in flat grey.
Posted by ad...@sandglass-software.com.
User settings are in the footer.
-Adrian
Quoting BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
> did this get added if so where.
> once flat grey is added can not see the themes selection.a
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>