[OT] Re: Should I announce SmartURLs or wait?

[Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>]

2007/9/13, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>:
>
> Of course, sadly, Hibernate is under the LGPL, which the FSF insists
> is not compatible with the Apache License <deep-melancholy-sigh/> :(



You can use Apache Cayenne then :-)

Antonio

Re: [OT] Re: Should I announce SmartURLs or wait?

[Brian Pontarelli <br...@pontarelli.com>]

I'd like to solidify a package names. One of the headaches we 
experienced was the conversion between the two versions of 
zero-conf/code-behind because of the package names. I'm fine with moving 
my packages around into the struts namespace, but if you guys decide to 
add these annotations for 2.0.x I think they should be put into their 
final package so to speak and fix everything to use those package names.

-bp


Ted Husted wrote:
> I was just wondering if it would make any sense to at least add
> SmartURL-type ActionName and ActionNames annotations to the 2.0.x
> core, so as to finish what we started with the validation and result
> annotations. We probably don't need to get into exception and
> interceptor annotations for 2.0, but ActionNames would be nice.
>
> -Ted.
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Re: [OT] Re: Should I announce SmartURLs or wait?

[Ian Roughley <ia...@fdar.com>]

Don Brown wrote:
> The generally accepted terminology for release numbering is
> MAJOR.MINOR.PATCH.  Yes, Struts does things strangely, but that
> doesn't change how users expect things to work.  Throwing in big
> features, and yes, I consider new annotations big features as they
> worm their way into user code, is not something I feel comfortable
> doing in a "third-level" release, or whatever we call it.
>
> In this case, the annotations will be likely redone for 2.1 anyways.
> A lot of it is my fault - they have been kinda thrown in there without
> systematic thought, and I had hoped we could fix that for 2.1.  I'd
> hate to introduce new annotations only to deprecate them weeks later.
>   
My preference would be to wait as well.  If for nothing else, to see how 
JSR-311 (RESTful web services) flushes out and whether we should adopt 
some of the structure of the annotations in Struts2.  Has anyone looked 
into this JSR?  I saw a presentation at Sun Tech Days the other day.  I 
just need to find some time to see if it could be adopted to the 
annotations in s2 now :-)

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Re: [OT] Re: Should I announce SmartURLs or wait?

[Don Brown <do...@gmail.com>]

The generally accepted terminology for release numbering is
MAJOR.MINOR.PATCH.  Yes, Struts does things strangely, but that
doesn't change how users expect things to work.  Throwing in big
features, and yes, I consider new annotations big features as they
worm their way into user code, is not something I feel comfortable
doing in a "third-level" release, or whatever we call it.

In this case, the annotations will be likely redone for 2.1 anyways.
A lot of it is my fault - they have been kinda thrown in there without
systematic thought, and I had hoped we could fix that for 2.1.  I'd
hate to introduce new annotations only to deprecate them weeks later.

Don

On 9/21/07, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> As I understand it, 2.0.x is not a "patch release". It's part of the
> 2.0.x minor release series. By our reckoning, 2.0.10.1 would be a
> "patch" release, and in that case, I would agree.
>
> AFAIK, we have always agreed that minor releases are *not*
> feature-locked. If we start feature-locking minor-releases, IMHO, we
> will *never* get a timely GA vote on a minor release, because everyone
> will say "wait, wait, one more thing". (Been there, did that, burned
> the T-shirt!)
>
> We do have annotations in the 2.0.x series, but we are missing
> ActionName/ActionNames annotations. We would simply be finishing what
> we already started. No one is suggesting that we change any existing
> behavior, but that we simply add in the ActionName.ActionNames
> annotations in the same way that we have ResultName and ResultNames
> annotations.
>
> -Ted.
>
> On 9/20/07, Don Brown <mr...@twdata.org> wrote:
> > I'd prefer we give this more thought and keep it in the 2.1.x branch.
> > I view patch releases as those that only provide bug fixes or minor
> > stability features. Something like annotations, which will be used in
> > client code, is really a public API feature and should be reserved for
> > minor, at the least, feature releases.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > On 9/18/07, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > I was just wondering if it would make any sense to at least add
> > > SmartURL-type ActionName and ActionNames annotations to the 2.0.x
> > > core, so as to finish what we started with the validation and result
> > > annotations. We probably don't need to get into exception and
> > > interceptor annotations for 2.0, but ActionNames would be nice.
> > >
> > > -Ted.
>
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Re: [OT] Re: Should I announce SmartURLs or wait?

[Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>]

As I understand it, 2.0.x is not a "patch release". It's part of the
2.0.x minor release series. By our reckoning, 2.0.10.1 would be a
"patch" release, and in that case, I would agree.

AFAIK, we have always agreed that minor releases are *not*
feature-locked. If we start feature-locking minor-releases, IMHO, we
will *never* get a timely GA vote on a minor release, because everyone
will say "wait, wait, one more thing". (Been there, did that, burned
the T-shirt!)

We do have annotations in the 2.0.x series, but we are missing
ActionName/ActionNames annotations. We would simply be finishing what
we already started. No one is suggesting that we change any existing
behavior, but that we simply add in the ActionName.ActionNames
annotations in the same way that we have ResultName and ResultNames
annotations.

-Ted.

On 9/20/07, Don Brown <mr...@twdata.org> wrote:
> I'd prefer we give this more thought and keep it in the 2.1.x branch.
> I view patch releases as those that only provide bug fixes or minor
> stability features. Something like annotations, which will be used in
> client code, is really a public API feature and should be reserved for
> minor, at the least, feature releases.
>
> Don
>
> On 9/18/07, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I was just wondering if it would make any sense to at least add
> > SmartURL-type ActionName and ActionNames annotations to the 2.0.x
> > core, so as to finish what we started with the validation and result
> > annotations. We probably don't need to get into exception and
> > interceptor annotations for 2.0, but ActionNames would be nice.
> >
> > -Ted.

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Re: [OT] Re: Should I announce SmartURLs or wait?

[Don Brown <mr...@twdata.org>]

I'd prefer we give this more thought and keep it in the 2.1.x branch.
I view patch releases as those that only provide bug fixes or minor
stability features. Something like annotations, which will be used in
client code, is really a public API feature and should be reserved for
minor, at the least, feature releases.

Don

On 9/18/07, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> I was just wondering if it would make any sense to at least add
> SmartURL-type ActionName and ActionNames annotations to the 2.0.x
> core, so as to finish what we started with the validation and result
> annotations. We probably don't need to get into exception and
> interceptor annotations for 2.0, but ActionNames would be nice.
>
> -Ted.
>
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Re: [OT] Re: Should I announce SmartURLs or wait?

[Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>]

I was just wondering if it would make any sense to at least add
SmartURL-type ActionName and ActionNames annotations to the 2.0.x
core, so as to finish what we started with the validation and result
annotations. We probably don't need to get into exception and
interceptor annotations for 2.0, but ActionNames would be nice.

-Ted.

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