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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Thorsten Behrens <th...@libreoffice.org> on 2017/05/08 23:19:32 UTC
ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)
Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> I personally requested some cooperation of LO about www.ooowiki.de,
> the reaction at LO was zero, see:
> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/de/discuss/msg20541.html
>
Hi Jörg,
I think at the time of your posting, that topic was somewhat on
hold/stalled. Being 2 months late to a discussion sometimes gets you
no reaction, simply because noone has anything to add (you were
already referencing the original libreoffice de-discuss thread).
If openoffice.info wants to be a stakeholder, we can certainly include
you (or other reps) in the technical discussions.
Perhaps an option to discuss further details would be the upcoming
community meeting of the LibreOffice DE-project (probably on the
weekend June 25th, location TBD)? Let me know if you'd like to be kept
in the loop there.
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
Re: ooowiki continuation
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Thorsten Behrens [mailto:thb@libreoffice.org]
> Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> > > If openoffice.info wants to be a stakeholder, we can
> certainly include
> > > you (or other reps) in the technical discussions.
> >
> > No thanks. de.openoffice.info is an independent forum.
> >
> Then I don't get what you're asking for - either you want to be part
> of a solution, which usually means participating - or other people do
> the work (and then are free to decide on directions)?
I did not ask for anything, I had made an offer. Not an offer for LibreOffice, but
for ooowiki.de.
Only the owner of ooowiki.de is part of the LO community and so I wrote on the LO
mailing list.
Jörg
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Re: ooowiki continuation
Posted by Thorsten Behrens <th...@libreoffice.org>.
Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> > If openoffice.info wants to be a stakeholder, we can certainly include
> > you (or other reps) in the technical discussions.
>
> No thanks. de.openoffice.info is an independent forum.
>
Then I don't get what you're asking for - either you want to be part
of a solution, which usually means participating - or other people do
the work (and then are free to decide on directions)?
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
Re: ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.lists@googlemail.com]
> The text there says:
> ...
> ... does not harm the reputation of The Document Foundation;...»
And this is not enough for me, because it can be arbitrarily interpreted.
For example, I was reproached in the forum de.openoffice.info I want to damage LibreOffice just because I said I see problems with the Wiki and would therefore offer help.
Excuse only the problem is too special for me to discuss it in English because I have some problems with the English language.
Jörg
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Re: ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)
Posted by Simos Xenitellis <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>
>> From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.lists@googlemail.com]
>
>> > Maybe I would also like to be a participant in the
>> LibreOffice Certification
>> > Program, but I am a free spirit and prerequisites such as a) in:
>> >
>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Certification/tdf-cer
>> tificationcodeofcond
>> > uct.pdf
>> >
>> > are unfortunately too political for me.
>>
>> There are four reasonable points in this PDF. Which one would make it
>> "too political" for you?
>
> I have written:
>
> "...I am a free spirit and prerequisites _such as a)_ in:..."
>
> And so I mean point a)
>
The text there says:
«Certified Professionals conduct the business and provide the services
in a manner
that does not harm the reputation of The Document Foundation;...»
Therefore, if you were a Certified Professional, you are expected *to
conduct the business* and *provide the services*
in a manner that does not harm the reputation of the TDF.
There would be a much deeper problem if a Certified Professional could
not contain themselves
*while* conducting the business and providing the services.
Simos
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Re: ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> From: Simos Xenitellis [mailto:simos.lists@googlemail.com]
> > Maybe I would also like to be a participant in the
> LibreOffice Certification
> > Program, but I am a free spirit and prerequisites such as a) in:
> >
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Certification/tdf-cer
> tificationcodeofcond
> > uct.pdf
> >
> > are unfortunately too political for me.
>
> There are four reasonable points in this PDF. Which one would make it
> "too political" for you?
I have written:
"...I am a free spirit and prerequisites _such as a)_ in:..."
And so I mean point a)
Jörg
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Re: ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)
Posted by Peter Kovacs <le...@gmail.com>.
Hello Jörg,
I personally believe that the certificate policy is common business
phrasing. I think it is a good business style to talk positively or not at
all of organisations. You never know what relation ship these people are in.
And worse thing that can happen is that you damage your own renown. Just
think of our libre trolls. They have damaged libre office renown for me in
such a great extent that I do not want to support Libre Office project,
without some commitments from their side. And maybe that's true for them
too.
I would really like to see this spiral of fighting ends. I don't like the
trolls on our Mailing list, trying to steal our freedom, choice and fun.
A cooperation would be nice. The oowiki seems like a good neutral ground to
start.
I am not part of oowiki, but i would really appreciate if it is tryed to
normalize the relationship and not harden up (what's currently happening)
In the end it will only damage both projects.
And from the outside there is a whish that both projects improve their
relationship.
All the best
Peter
Simos Xenitellis <si...@googlemail.com> schrieb am Di., 9. Mai 2017,
08:24:
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >> From: Thorsten Behrens [mailto:thb@libreoffice.org]
> >
> >> I think at the time of your posting, that topic was somewhat on
> >> hold/stalled. Being 2 months late to a discussion sometimes gets you
> >> no reaction, simply because noone has anything to add (you were
> >> already referencing the original libreoffice de-discuss thread).
> >
> > I think we both know that the reasons are others.
> >
> >> If openoffice.info wants to be a stakeholder, we can certainly include
> >> you (or other reps) in the technical discussions.
> >
> > No thanks. de.openoffice.info is an independent forum.
> >
> >> Perhaps an option to discuss further details would be the upcoming
> >> community meeting of the LibreOffice DE-project (probably on the
> >> weekend June 25th, location TBD)? Let me know if you'd like to be kept
> >> in the loop there.
> >
> > Thanks, but I'm working for Apache OpenOffice. For my voluntary work
> that is
> > enough for me.
> >
> > But please do not worry, professionally, I also provide support for
> LibreOffice.
> >
> > Maybe I would also like to be a participant in the LibreOffice
> Certification
> > Program, but I am a free spirit and prerequisites such as a) in:
> >
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Certification/tdf-certificationcodeofcond
> > uct.pdf
> >
> > are unfortunately too political for me.
>
> There are four reasonable points in this PDF. Which one would make it
> "too political" for you?
>
> Simos
>
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Re: ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)
Posted by Simos Xenitellis <si...@googlemail.com>.
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> From: Thorsten Behrens [mailto:thb@libreoffice.org]
>
>> I think at the time of your posting, that topic was somewhat on
>> hold/stalled. Being 2 months late to a discussion sometimes gets you
>> no reaction, simply because noone has anything to add (you were
>> already referencing the original libreoffice de-discuss thread).
>
> I think we both know that the reasons are others.
>
>> If openoffice.info wants to be a stakeholder, we can certainly include
>> you (or other reps) in the technical discussions.
>
> No thanks. de.openoffice.info is an independent forum.
>
>> Perhaps an option to discuss further details would be the upcoming
>> community meeting of the LibreOffice DE-project (probably on the
>> weekend June 25th, location TBD)? Let me know if you'd like to be kept
>> in the loop there.
>
> Thanks, but I'm working for Apache OpenOffice. For my voluntary work that is
> enough for me.
>
> But please do not worry, professionally, I also provide support for LibreOffice.
>
> Maybe I would also like to be a participant in the LibreOffice Certification
> Program, but I am a free spirit and prerequisites such as a) in:
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Certification/tdf-certificationcodeofcond
> uct.pdf
>
> are unfortunately too political for me.
There are four reasonable points in this PDF. Which one would make it
"too political" for you?
Simos
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Re: ooowiki continuation (was: Re: OpenOffice)
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hello,
> From: Thorsten Behrens [mailto:thb@libreoffice.org]
> I think at the time of your posting, that topic was somewhat on
> hold/stalled. Being 2 months late to a discussion sometimes gets you
> no reaction, simply because noone has anything to add (you were
> already referencing the original libreoffice de-discuss thread).
I think we both know that the reasons are others.
> If openoffice.info wants to be a stakeholder, we can certainly include
> you (or other reps) in the technical discussions.
No thanks. de.openoffice.info is an independent forum.
> Perhaps an option to discuss further details would be the upcoming
> community meeting of the LibreOffice DE-project (probably on the
> weekend June 25th, location TBD)? Let me know if you'd like to be kept
> in the loop there.
Thanks, but I'm working for Apache OpenOffice. For my voluntary work that is
enough for me.
But please do not worry, professionally, I also provide support for LibreOffice.
Maybe I would also like to be a participant in the LibreOffice Certification
Program, but I am a free spirit and prerequisites such as a) in:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Certification/tdf-certificationcodeofcond
uct.pdf
are unfortunately too political for me.
imho: good support requires good professional knowledge, but not the uncritical
commitment to an organization.
greetings,
Jörg
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