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Posted to dev@lucenenet.apache.org by Wyatt Barnett <wy...@gmail.com> on 2011/01/06 08:58:06 UTC
Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
Some ideas to pursue:
1) Get lucene into nuget. Given nuget has Microsoft's weight behind
it, it is going to become the defacto way people find .NET libraries.
This is relatively simple -- pretty much packaging the binaries with
an xml file. We could the current release in there today, and follow
with 2.9.2 when we get it nice and official-like.
2) Build some approachable getting started guides. In all honesty, the
only "how do I start using Lucene" stuff I found when I started using
lucene six or so months ago was in Simone Chiaretta's blog plus the
subtext source. This could perhaps include some DimeCasts.NET style
stuff.
Hope this helps.
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com> wrote:
> *PR/Marketing/Branding:*
> Even open source need this. Its never something totally the forefront on the
> developers mind, but its going to be key in order to build a community.
>
> The main part of marketing to strategically build connections between people
> and a product/service so that they associate a particular brand name with a
> particular solution. (Kinda like a conditioned response).
>
> Basically there is two products, the actual code base and the community
> behind the codebase.
>
> I'm not saying we need ads on google, facebook, but providing good
> documentation, a good work environment (making it fun), giving people
> straight answers, having constructive dialog, treating others with respect,
> staying responsive to the community will help to create a positive
> connection in people's mind with lucene.net and search and community.
>
> Thats something that needs to happen given that people might question its
> stability due to going back to incubation, the drop off in commits, etc.
>
> Any ideas, suggestions, comments, are welcome.
>
> *
> *
>
> --
> Michael Herndon
> Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
> 804.767.0083
>
> [connect online]
> http://www.opensourceconnections.com
> http://www.amptools.net
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> http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
> http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
>
Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
Posted by Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com>.
Most likely someone needed it for an external dependency or the nuget team
itself put it out to seed nuget.
But it does help for the short term having one already in place versus
trying to run out and creating a package when lucene.net has just moved back
into incubation and there are many things in flux that would most likely
affect how lucene is packaged into Nuget in the future.
It would also be nice to have the basic site setup with a few tutorials and
samples setup, before the official package is created and released. That
way people wondering what the library actually is can find out and see
example code. An example of this http://www.simpleaspects.com
Personally, I still wouldn't probably use the snap library, however, I
applaud them, They've done a nice job putting out a branded site that tells
you what the library is, where to get the source, wiki, etc. And it doesn't
leave you with that "WTF is this?" feeling.
Not to mention having sample projects / code would come in handy for
providing a separate nuget package that has sample code someone can use
pull/install and use to prototype something out or explore.
This way when we do put out a nuget package, its complete & stable.
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Wyatt Barnett <wy...@gmail.com>wrote:
> That's what I get for writing responses on a plane. Now, the
> interesting question is who and is it in a form the project wants?
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com> wrote:
> > Someone has already put up lucene.net version 2.9.2.2 on nuget.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP] <
> > casperOne@caspershouse.com> wrote:
> >
> >> +1 on nuget. This would expand Lucene.NET's exposure big time.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Wyatt Barnett [mailto:wyatt.barnett@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:58 AM
> >> To: lucene-net-dev
> >> Subject: Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
> >>
> >> Some ideas to pursue:
> >>
> >> 1) Get lucene into nuget. Given nuget has Microsoft's weight behind
> >> it, it is going to become the defacto way people find .NET libraries.
> >> This is relatively simple -- pretty much packaging the binaries with
> >> an xml file. We could the current release in there today, and follow
> >> with 2.9.2 when we get it nice and official-like.
> >>
> >> 2) Build some approachable getting started guides. In all honesty, the
> >> only "how do I start using Lucene" stuff I found when I started using
> >> lucene six or so months ago was in Simone Chiaretta's blog plus the
> >> subtext source. This could perhaps include some DimeCasts.NET style
> >> stuff.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > *PR/Marketing/Branding:*
> >> > Even open source need this. Its never something totally the forefront
> on
> >> the
> >> > developers mind, but its going to be key in order to build a
> community.
> >> >
> >> > The main part of marketing to strategically build connections between
> >> people
> >> > and a product/service so that they associate a particular brand name
> with
> >> a
> >> > particular solution. (Kinda like a conditioned response).
> >> >
> >> > Basically there is two products, the actual code base and the
> community
> >> > behind the codebase.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not saying we need ads on google, facebook, but providing good
> >> > documentation, a good work environment (making it fun), giving people
> >> > straight answers, having constructive dialog, treating others with
> >> respect,
> >> > staying responsive to the community will help to create a positive
> >> > connection in people's mind with lucene.net and search and community.
> >> >
> >> > Thats something that needs to happen given that people might question
> its
> >> > stability due to going back to incubation, the drop off in commits,
> etc.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas, suggestions, comments, are welcome.
> >> >
> >> > *
> >> > *
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Michael Herndon
> >> > Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
> >> > 804.767.0083
> >> >
> >> > [connect online]
> >> > http://www.opensourceconnections.com
> >> > http://www.amptools.net
> >> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
> >> > http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
> >> > http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michael Herndon
> > Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
> > 804.767.0083
> >
> > [connect online]
> > http://www.opensourceconnections.com
> > http://www.amptools.net
> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
> > http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
> > http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
> >
>
--
Michael Herndon
Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
804.767.0083
[connect online]
http://www.opensourceconnections.com
http://www.amptools.net
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
Posted by Wyatt Barnett <wy...@gmail.com>.
That's what I get for writing responses on a plane. Now, the
interesting question is who and is it in a form the project wants?
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com> wrote:
> Someone has already put up lucene.net version 2.9.2.2 on nuget.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP] <
> casperOne@caspershouse.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 on nuget. This would expand Lucene.NET's exposure big time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wyatt Barnett [mailto:wyatt.barnett@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:58 AM
>> To: lucene-net-dev
>> Subject: Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
>>
>> Some ideas to pursue:
>>
>> 1) Get lucene into nuget. Given nuget has Microsoft's weight behind
>> it, it is going to become the defacto way people find .NET libraries.
>> This is relatively simple -- pretty much packaging the binaries with
>> an xml file. We could the current release in there today, and follow
>> with 2.9.2 when we get it nice and official-like.
>>
>> 2) Build some approachable getting started guides. In all honesty, the
>> only "how do I start using Lucene" stuff I found when I started using
>> lucene six or so months ago was in Simone Chiaretta's blog plus the
>> subtext source. This could perhaps include some DimeCasts.NET style
>> stuff.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com>
>> wrote:
>> > *PR/Marketing/Branding:*
>> > Even open source need this. Its never something totally the forefront on
>> the
>> > developers mind, but its going to be key in order to build a community.
>> >
>> > The main part of marketing to strategically build connections between
>> people
>> > and a product/service so that they associate a particular brand name with
>> a
>> > particular solution. (Kinda like a conditioned response).
>> >
>> > Basically there is two products, the actual code base and the community
>> > behind the codebase.
>> >
>> > I'm not saying we need ads on google, facebook, but providing good
>> > documentation, a good work environment (making it fun), giving people
>> > straight answers, having constructive dialog, treating others with
>> respect,
>> > staying responsive to the community will help to create a positive
>> > connection in people's mind with lucene.net and search and community.
>> >
>> > Thats something that needs to happen given that people might question its
>> > stability due to going back to incubation, the drop off in commits, etc.
>> >
>> > Any ideas, suggestions, comments, are welcome.
>> >
>> > *
>> > *
>> >
>> > --
>> > Michael Herndon
>> > Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
>> > 804.767.0083
>> >
>> > [connect online]
>> > http://www.opensourceconnections.com
>> > http://www.amptools.net
>> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
>> > http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
>> > http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Michael Herndon
> Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
> 804.767.0083
>
> [connect online]
> http://www.opensourceconnections.com
> http://www.amptools.net
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
> http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
> http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
>
Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
Posted by Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com>.
Someone has already put up lucene.net version 2.9.2.2 on nuget.
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP] <
casperOne@caspershouse.com> wrote:
> +1 on nuget. This would expand Lucene.NET's exposure big time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wyatt Barnett [mailto:wyatt.barnett@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:58 AM
> To: lucene-net-dev
> Subject: Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
>
> Some ideas to pursue:
>
> 1) Get lucene into nuget. Given nuget has Microsoft's weight behind
> it, it is going to become the defacto way people find .NET libraries.
> This is relatively simple -- pretty much packaging the binaries with
> an xml file. We could the current release in there today, and follow
> with 2.9.2 when we get it nice and official-like.
>
> 2) Build some approachable getting started guides. In all honesty, the
> only "how do I start using Lucene" stuff I found when I started using
> lucene six or so months ago was in Simone Chiaretta's blog plus the
> subtext source. This could perhaps include some DimeCasts.NET style
> stuff.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com>
> wrote:
> > *PR/Marketing/Branding:*
> > Even open source need this. Its never something totally the forefront on
> the
> > developers mind, but its going to be key in order to build a community.
> >
> > The main part of marketing to strategically build connections between
> people
> > and a product/service so that they associate a particular brand name with
> a
> > particular solution. (Kinda like a conditioned response).
> >
> > Basically there is two products, the actual code base and the community
> > behind the codebase.
> >
> > I'm not saying we need ads on google, facebook, but providing good
> > documentation, a good work environment (making it fun), giving people
> > straight answers, having constructive dialog, treating others with
> respect,
> > staying responsive to the community will help to create a positive
> > connection in people's mind with lucene.net and search and community.
> >
> > Thats something that needs to happen given that people might question its
> > stability due to going back to incubation, the drop off in commits, etc.
> >
> > Any ideas, suggestions, comments, are welcome.
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > --
> > Michael Herndon
> > Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
> > 804.767.0083
> >
> > [connect online]
> > http://www.opensourceconnections.com
> > http://www.amptools.net
> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
> > http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
> > http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
> >
>
>
>
>
--
Michael Herndon
Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
804.767.0083
[connect online]
http://www.opensourceconnections.com
http://www.amptools.net
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
RE: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
Posted by "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <ca...@caspershouse.com>.
+1 on nuget. This would expand Lucene.NET's exposure big time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Wyatt Barnett [mailto:wyatt.barnett@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:58 AM
To: lucene-net-dev
Subject: Re: Proposal Stage: PR/Marketing/Branding
Some ideas to pursue:
1) Get lucene into nuget. Given nuget has Microsoft's weight behind
it, it is going to become the defacto way people find .NET libraries.
This is relatively simple -- pretty much packaging the binaries with
an xml file. We could the current release in there today, and follow
with 2.9.2 when we get it nice and official-like.
2) Build some approachable getting started guides. In all honesty, the
only "how do I start using Lucene" stuff I found when I started using
lucene six or so months ago was in Simone Chiaretta's blog plus the
subtext source. This could perhaps include some DimeCasts.NET style
stuff.
Hope this helps.
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Michael Herndon <mh...@o19s.com> wrote:
> *PR/Marketing/Branding:*
> Even open source need this. Its never something totally the forefront on
the
> developers mind, but its going to be key in order to build a community.
>
> The main part of marketing to strategically build connections between
people
> and a product/service so that they associate a particular brand name with
a
> particular solution. (Kinda like a conditioned response).
>
> Basically there is two products, the actual code base and the community
> behind the codebase.
>
> I'm not saying we need ads on google, facebook, but providing good
> documentation, a good work environment (making it fun), giving people
> straight answers, having constructive dialog, treating others with
respect,
> staying responsive to the community will help to create a positive
> connection in people's mind with lucene.net and search and community.
>
> Thats something that needs to happen given that people might question its
> stability due to going back to incubation, the drop off in commits, etc.
>
> Any ideas, suggestions, comments, are welcome.
>
> *
> *
>
> --
> Michael Herndon
> Senior Developer (mherndon@o19s.com)
> 804.767.0083
>
> [connect online]
> http://www.opensourceconnections.com
> http://www.amptools.net
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-herndon/4/893/23
> http://www.facebook.com/amptools.net
> http://www.twitter.com/amptools-net
>