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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by "Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods)" <Jo...@conagrafoods.com> on 2014/02/20 18:38:11 UTC

[users@httpd] Apache major features

What major features have been released in the last 8 years for apache?    My apache infrastructure is quite dated and behind.  I'd like to update and improve it but am new to apache and don't know much more than that I have nothing modern.

Joe Jensen
(402)-240-3645
Application Hosting Services

From: Jeff Trawick [mailto:trawick@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:50 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Available online Training/documentation

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) <Jo...@conagrafoods.com>> wrote:
I'm looking for some advice on how to learn the intricacies of both apache httpd and tomcat.  I'm unlikely to get a paid training class, and failed to find any overall training about it online.  Considering it's popularity and open source nature it strikes me as very odd that there isn't any good and extensive "on your own" training to read through.   If someone can point me to something online it would be awesome!

I'm charged with a series of apache/tomcat servers as part about 70% of my job, but we run a ~3-4 year old setup largely unchanged from 7 years ago.  I'd like to learn what I don't know exists, and am hoping for more than just the apache module and configuration manuals.  If I have to though that may be what I do learn from.

Joe Jensen
(402)-240-3645<tel:%28402%29-240-3645>
Application Hosting Services

Look at the User's Guide and Howto/Tutorials parts of the documentation.

If it were me, I'd start with this:

1. Make sure you understand how httpd and Tomcat are installed on all systems you support and how updates are obtained.
2. Check the versions of the software and confirm that they are supported branches (e.g., 2.2.x or 2.4.x for httpd, whatever is currently supported for Tomcat).
3. See how old the exact versions are (e.g., 2.2.15), and if they are relatively old then ensure that you are getting updates regularly from a vendor (e.g., Linux vendor) which applies security fixes to old versions.

If there's a problem already (unsupported, vulnerable versions), work with your team to find out how to deal with it.  You may end up looking through CHANGES logs for vulnerabilities and crossing out the ones in modules that aren't used in your configuration, and then seeing what is a potential concern.

4-98. (stuff I can't think of at the moment)

99. Try to identify the most common or most important use of httpd in your environment (e.g., front-end to Tomcat) and get a fresh VM and set up httpd with a sample application (or static site) that requires similar configuration features.  Use that to play around and experiment with things in the product documentation.  Even if you won't use a particular feature in production, the experimentation gives you more insight into how the server can be configured.

--
Born in Roswell... married an alien...
http://emptyhammock.com/

Re: [users@httpd] Apache major features

Posted by Jeff Trawick <tr...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) <
Joe.Jensen@conagrafoods.com> wrote:

> What major features have been released in the last 8 years for apache?
> My apache infrastructure is quite dated and behind.  I'd like to update and
> improve it but am new to apache and don't know much more than that I have
> nothing modern.
>

I would ignore new features for the moment and ensure that you are in a
position to pick up bug fixes for problems your users may discover as well
as others that may be known to cause severe problems when encountered.
 IOW, migrate to a currently supported version.

There are surely a lot of new features

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/new_features_2_4.html
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/new_features_2_2.html

but you probably want to learn about features you're currently using before
such a list would be helpful.



>
>
> Joe Jensen
> (402)-240-3645
> Application Hosting Services
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Trawick [mailto:trawick@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:50 PM
> *To:* users@httpd.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: [users@httpd] Available online Training/documentation
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) <
> Joe.Jensen@conagrafoods.com> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for some advice on how to learn the intricacies of both apache
> httpd and tomcat.  I'm unlikely to get a paid training class, and failed to
> find any overall training about it online.  Considering it's popularity and
> open source nature it strikes me as very odd that there isn't any good and
> extensive "on your own" training to read through.   If someone can point me
> to something online it would be awesome!
>
>
>
> I'm charged with a series of apache/tomcat servers as part about 70% of my
> job, but we run a ~3-4 year old setup largely unchanged from 7 years ago.
> I'd like to learn what I don't know exists, and am hoping for more than
> just the apache module and configuration manuals.  If I have to though that
> may be what I do learn from.
>
>
>
> Joe Jensen
> (402)-240-3645
> Application Hosting Services
>
>
>
> Look at the User's Guide and Howto/Tutorials parts of the documentation.
>
>
>
> If it were me, I'd start with this:
>
>
>
> 1. Make sure you understand how httpd and Tomcat are installed on all
> systems you support and how updates are obtained.
>
> 2. Check the versions of the software and confirm that they are supported
> branches (e.g., 2.2.x or 2.4.x for httpd, whatever is currently supported
> for Tomcat).
>
> 3. See how old the exact versions are (e.g., 2.2.15), and if they are
> relatively old then ensure that you are getting updates regularly from a
> vendor (e.g., Linux vendor) which applies security fixes to old versions.
>
>
>
> If there's a problem already (unsupported, vulnerable versions), work with
> your team to find out how to deal with it.  You may end up looking through
> CHANGES logs for vulnerabilities and crossing out the ones in modules that
> aren't used in your configuration, and then seeing what is a potential
> concern.
>
>
>
> 4-98. (stuff I can't think of at the moment)
>
>
>
> 99. Try to identify the most common or most important use of httpd in your
> environment (e.g., front-end to Tomcat) and get a fresh VM and set up httpd
> with a sample application (or static site) that requires similar
> configuration features.  Use that to play around and experiment with things
> in the product documentation.  Even if you won't use a particular feature
> in production, the experimentation gives you more insight into how the
> server can be configured.
>
>
>
> --
> Born in Roswell... married an alien...
> http://emptyhammock.com/
>



-- 
Born in Roswell... married an alien...
http://emptyhammock.com/

[users@httpd] RE: Apache major features (UNCLASSIFIED)

Posted by "Folino, Nick E CTR USARMY HRC (US)" <ni...@mail.mil>.
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: FOUO

While you're at it you might want to find a class in web security.  You just told the whole world that ConAgra Foods is running some extremely vulnerable versions of Apache products.


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) [mailto:Joe.Jensen@conagrafoods.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:38 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: [users@httpd] Apache major features

What major features have been released in the last 8 years for apache?    My apache infrastructure is quite dated and behind.  I'd like to update and improve it but am new to apache and don't know much more than that I have nothing modern.

 

Joe Jensen 
(402)-240-3645 
Application Hosting Services

 

From: Jeff Trawick [mailto:trawick@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:50 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Available online Training/documentation

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) <Jo...@conagrafoods.com> wrote:

I'm looking for some advice on how to learn the intricacies of both apache httpd and tomcat.  I'm unlikely to get a paid training class, and failed to find any overall training about it online.  Considering it's popularity and open source nature it strikes me as very odd that there isn't any good and extensive "on your own" training to read through.   If someone can point me to something online it would be awesome!

 

I'm charged with a series of apache/tomcat servers as part about 70% of my job, but we run a ~3-4 year old setup largely unchanged from 7 years ago.  I'd like to learn what I don't know exists, and am hoping for more than just the apache module and configuration manuals.  If I have to though that may be what I do learn from.  

 

Joe Jensen 
(402)-240-3645 <tel:%28402%29-240-3645>  
Application Hosting Services  

 

Look at the User's Guide and Howto/Tutorials parts of the documentation.

 

If it were me, I'd start with this:

 

1. Make sure you understand how httpd and Tomcat are installed on all systems you support and how updates are obtained.

2. Check the versions of the software and confirm that they are supported branches (e.g., 2.2.x or 2.4.x for httpd, whatever is currently supported for Tomcat).

3. See how old the exact versions are (e.g., 2.2.15), and if they are relatively old then ensure that you are getting updates regularly from a vendor (e.g., Linux vendor) which applies security fixes to old versions.

 

If there's a problem already (unsupported, vulnerable versions), work with your team to find out how to deal with it.  You may end up looking through CHANGES logs for vulnerabilities and crossing out the ones in modules that aren't used in your configuration, and then seeing what is a potential concern.

 

4-98. (stuff I can't think of at the moment)

 

99. Try to identify the most common or most important use of httpd in your environment (e.g., front-end to Tomcat) and get a fresh VM and set up httpd with a sample application (or static site) that requires similar configuration features.  Use that to play around and experiment with things in the product documentation.  Even if you won't use a particular feature in production, the experimentation gives you more insight into how the server can be configured.

 

-- 
Born in Roswell... married an alien...
http://emptyhammock.com/


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: FOUO



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Re: [users@httpd] Apache major features

Posted by Nick Tkach <nt...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) <
Joe.Jensen@conagrafoods.com> wrote:

> We are on a current patch version and being old software there are likely
> few remaining security vulnerabilities or bugs for me to worry about in the
> version we run.
>
>
>
> Joe Jensen
> (402)-240-3645
> Application Hosting Services
>
>
>
> *From:* Curtis Maurand [mailto:curtis@maurand.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:25 PM
> *To:* users@httpd.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: [users@httpd] Apache major features
>
>
>
>
> Google is your friend in this case.  There are tons of books re: apache
> and even hardening it.
>
> search term: apache books
>
> About 29,700,000 results (0.35 seconds)
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/
>
>
>
>
> --Curtis
>
> On 2/20/2014 12:38 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) wrote:
>
> What major features have been released in the last 8 years for apache?
> My apache infrastructure is quite dated and behind.  I'd like to update and
> improve it but am new to apache and don't know much more than that I have
> nothing modern.
>
>
>
> Joe Jensen
> (402)-240-3645
> Application Hosting Services
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Trawick [mailto:trawick@gmail.com <tr...@gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:50 PM
> *To:* users@httpd.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: [users@httpd] Available online Training/documentation
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) <
> Joe.Jensen@conagrafoods.com> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for some advice on how to learn the intricacies of both apache
> httpd and tomcat.  I'm unlikely to get a paid training class, and failed to
> find any overall training about it online.  Considering it's popularity and
> open source nature it strikes me as very odd that there isn't any good and
> extensive "on your own" training to read through.   If someone can point me
> to something online it would be awesome!
>
>
>
> I'm charged with a series of apache/tomcat servers as part about 70% of my
> job, but we run a ~3-4 year old setup largely unchanged from 7 years ago.
> I'd like to learn what I don't know exists, and am hoping for more than
> just the apache module and configuration manuals.  If I have to though that
> may be what I do learn from.
>
>
>
> Joe Jensen
> (402)-240-3645
> Application Hosting Services
>
>
>
> Look at the User's Guide and Howto/Tutorials parts of the documentation.
>
>
>
> If it were me, I'd start with this:
>
>
>
> 1. Make sure you understand how httpd and Tomcat are installed on all
> systems you support and how updates are obtained.
>
> 2. Check the versions of the software and confirm that they are supported
> branches (e.g., 2.2.x or 2.4.x for httpd, whatever is currently supported
> for Tomcat).
>
> 3. See how old the exact versions are (e.g., 2.2.15), and if they are
> relatively old then ensure that you are getting updates regularly from a
> vendor (e.g., Linux vendor) which applies security fixes to old versions.
>
>
>
> If there's a problem already (unsupported, vulnerable versions), work with
> your team to find out how to deal with it.  You may end up looking through
> CHANGES logs for vulnerabilities and crossing out the ones in modules that
> aren't used in your configuration, and then seeing what is a potential
> concern.
>
>
>
> 4-98. (stuff I can't think of at the moment)
>
>
>
> 99. Try to identify the most common or most important use of httpd in your
> environment (e.g., front-end to Tomcat) and get a fresh VM and set up httpd
> with a sample application (or static site) that requires similar
> configuration features.  Use that to play around and experiment with things
> in the product documentation.  Even if you won't use a particular feature
> in production, the experimentation gives you more insight into how the
> server can be configured.
>
>
>
> --
> Born in Roswell... married an alien...
> http://emptyhammock.com/
>
>
>

Yes, having been through a similar experience in the past I can definitely
say start small.  VMs are your friend!  Make *sure* you're okay right now
so nothing is vulnerable (don't count on it being "old" as meaning it's not
vulnerable to anything).

I've found that if you are making a "big" leap (mostly 1.x -> 2.x) you're
liable to run into trouble with modules.  That big of a jump some have been
absorbed into Apache core httpd, some don't exist any more, some have been
replaced, some won't work with 2.x without patching or re-compiling, etc.

RE: [users@httpd] Apache major features

Posted by "Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods)" <Jo...@conagrafoods.com>.
We are on a current patch version and being old software there are likely few remaining security vulnerabilities or bugs for me to worry about in the version we run.

Joe Jensen
(402)-240-3645
Application Hosting Services

From: Curtis Maurand [mailto:curtis@maurand.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:25 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Apache major features


Google is your friend in this case.  There are tons of books re: apache and even hardening it.

search term: apache books

About 29,700,000 results (0.35 seconds)

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/




--Curtis

On 2/20/2014 12:38 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) wrote:
What major features have been released in the last 8 years for apache?    My apache infrastructure is quite dated and behind.  I'd like to update and improve it but am new to apache and don't know much more than that I have nothing modern.

Joe Jensen
(402)-240-3645
Application Hosting Services

From: Jeff Trawick [mailto:trawick@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:50 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org<ma...@httpd.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Available online Training/documentation

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) <Jo...@conagrafoods.com>> wrote:
I'm looking for some advice on how to learn the intricacies of both apache httpd and tomcat.  I'm unlikely to get a paid training class, and failed to find any overall training about it online.  Considering it's popularity and open source nature it strikes me as very odd that there isn't any good and extensive "on your own" training to read through.   If someone can point me to something online it would be awesome!

I'm charged with a series of apache/tomcat servers as part about 70% of my job, but we run a ~3-4 year old setup largely unchanged from 7 years ago.  I'd like to learn what I don't know exists, and am hoping for more than just the apache module and configuration manuals.  If I have to though that may be what I do learn from.

Joe Jensen
(402)-240-3645<tel:%28402%29-240-3645>
Application Hosting Services

Look at the User's Guide and Howto/Tutorials parts of the documentation.

If it were me, I'd start with this:

1. Make sure you understand how httpd and Tomcat are installed on all systems you support and how updates are obtained.
2. Check the versions of the software and confirm that they are supported branches (e.g., 2.2.x or 2.4.x for httpd, whatever is currently supported for Tomcat).
3. See how old the exact versions are (e.g., 2.2.15), and if they are relatively old then ensure that you are getting updates regularly from a vendor (e.g., Linux vendor) which applies security fixes to old versions.

If there's a problem already (unsupported, vulnerable versions), work with your team to find out how to deal with it.  You may end up looking through CHANGES logs for vulnerabilities and crossing out the ones in modules that aren't used in your configuration, and then seeing what is a potential concern.

4-98. (stuff I can't think of at the moment)

99. Try to identify the most common or most important use of httpd in your environment (e.g., front-end to Tomcat) and get a fresh VM and set up httpd with a sample application (or static site) that requires similar configuration features.  Use that to play around and experiment with things in the product documentation.  Even if you won't use a particular feature in production, the experimentation gives you more insight into how the server can be configured.

--
Born in Roswell... married an alien...
http://emptyhammock.com/


Re: [users@httpd] Apache major features

Posted by Curtis Maurand <cu...@maurand.com>.
Google is your friend in this case.  There are tons of books re: apache 
and even hardening it.

search term: apache books

About 29,700,000 results (0.35 seconds)

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/




--Curtis

On 2/20/2014 12:38 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) wrote:
>
> What major features have been released in the last 8 years for 
> apache?    My apache infrastructure is quite dated and behind.  I'd 
> like to update and improve it but am new to apache and don't know much 
> more than that I have nothing modern.
>
> Joe Jensen
> (402)-240-3645
> Application Hosting Services
>
> *From:*Jeff Trawick [mailto:trawick@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:50 PM
> *To:* users@httpd.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: [users@httpd] Available online Training/documentation
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Joe Jensen (ConAgra Foods) 
> <Joe.Jensen@conagrafoods.com <ma...@conagrafoods.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for some advice on how to learn the intricacies of both 
> apache httpd and tomcat.  I'm unlikely to get a paid training class, 
> and failed to find any overall training about it online. Considering 
> it's popularity and open source nature it strikes me as very odd that 
> there isn't any good and extensive "on your own" training to read 
> through.   If someone can point me to something online it would be 
> awesome!
>
> I'm charged with a series of apache/tomcat servers as part about 70% 
> of my job, but we run a ~3-4 year old setup largely unchanged from 7 
> years ago.  I'd like to learn what I don't know exists, and am hoping 
> for more than just the apache module and configuration manuals.  If I 
> have to though that may be what I do learn from.
>
> Joe Jensen
> (402)-240-3645 <tel:%28402%29-240-3645>
> Application Hosting Services
>
> Look at the User's Guide and Howto/Tutorials parts of the documentation.
>
> If it were me, I'd start with this:
>
> 1. Make sure you understand how httpd and Tomcat are installed on all 
> systems you support and how updates are obtained.
>
> 2. Check the versions of the software and confirm that they are 
> supported branches (e.g., 2.2.x or 2.4.x for httpd, whatever is 
> currently supported for Tomcat).
>
> 3. See how old the exact versions are (e.g., 2.2.15), and if they are 
> relatively old then ensure that you are getting updates regularly from 
> a vendor (e.g., Linux vendor) which applies security fixes to old 
> versions.
>
> If there's a problem already (unsupported, vulnerable versions), work 
> with your team to find out how to deal with it.  You may end up 
> looking through CHANGES logs for vulnerabilities and crossing out the 
> ones in modules that aren't used in your configuration, and then 
> seeing what is a potential concern.
>
> 4-98. (stuff I can't think of at the moment)
>
> 99. Try to identify the most common or most important use of httpd in 
> your environment (e.g., front-end to Tomcat) and get a fresh VM and 
> set up httpd with a sample application (or static site) that requires 
> similar configuration features.  Use that to play around and 
> experiment with things in the product documentation.  Even if you 
> won't use a particular feature in production, the experimentation 
> gives you more insight into how the server can be configured.
>
> -- 
> Born in Roswell... married an alien...
> http://emptyhammock.com/
>