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In the news
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In the news :
http://www.sfgate.com/business/prweb/article/ScientiaMobile-Provides-Leading-Mobile-Ad-Network-4481718.php
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Re: In the news
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
That's why it never really belonged here, the closest it may be to
DeviceMap is the DDR technology, which WURFL doesn't use btw, so the
article was misguided, but other than that had absolutely nothing to do
with either DDR, OpenDDR of DeviceMap[?]
Thanks,
Werner
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Andrew Savory <as...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Let's please stay on topic: discussion around development of *DeviceMap*.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew.
> --
> asavory@apache.org / contact@andrewsavory.com
>
> > http://www.andrewsavory.com/
>
Re: In the news
Posted by Andrew Savory <as...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Let's please stay on topic: discussion around development of *DeviceMap*.
Thanks,
Andrew.
--
asavory@apache.org / contact@andrewsavory.com
> http://www.andrewsavory.com/
Re: In the news
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
+1
The closest one may feel were some sorts of API to that "WurflCloud" is
maybe Currency Exchange Rates, where you also have a choice between a
couple:
http://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/22027/what-is-the-best-currency-api-out-there
However, we're unlikely to see XE charging anywhere from 500$ per year (for
daily updates) to 2000$ per year (for more real time updates within a day,
but again, for less up to date information about devices that may change
once a month, year or never, WURFL guys charte 20.000$ and more, that's the
criminal dimension to that[?]) execute a DCMA takedown on either ECB or IMF
who provide the same information for free[?]
Werner
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Remember, they did execute a DCMA takedown on the OpenDDR project last
> year. In was meritless and likely meant to clear the playing field of any
> alternative options.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Serban Ghita <se...@gmail.com>
> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: In the news
>
>
>
> Hello-hello,
>
> I don't see a real reason on ranting about WURFL and the people behind the
> current business that is.
> From what I know it was free and open source licensed until one point that
> they changed the license to a more restrictive one and turned the API into
> a business.
> I'm guessing that was more of a business decision to monetize the amount
> of work that they put in the project.
> Whatever!
>
> Serban
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
> >
> >
> >Glad you have the similar opinions on WURFL and some of the people behind
> it (as you're not bothering to look him up) Their code is unlikely to be
> "scalable" or "optimized" now either, except they hope to rip-off people
> who are naive or rich enough to afford 20-50k(!) $ per year annual data
> providing fees now with the same non-optimized services.
> >
> >
> >Those in the community they also tried to rip-off or at least
> disappointed are looking for alternatives, which is a main reason we are
> trying to get more scalable, yet affordable solutions than their
> unreasonable offerings for a broader community.
> >
> >
> >If you plan to educate MobFox about alternatives like DeviceMap or
> OpenDDR, feel free to do so. They might also appreciate, many just lack
> proper knowledge about better alternatives.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >Werner
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Carlos D'Agostino <
> carlos.dagostino@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Heh, Werner I can see you have strong opinions on WURFL and the "italian
> dumbass" (I think his name was Luca Passiani -- I'm not even bothering to
> look it up). I don't know the status of WURLF currently, but back in 2010
> (I think) their code was certainly not "scalable", or "optimized", or
> <insert web jargon to produce marketing orgasms>. The data was quite
> extensive however, and for people operating in markets that don't carry
> modern handsets (like South Africa and Kenya.. and those "people" include
> yours truly), it was pretty neat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I've notified my marketeers about MobFox, perhaps we do some business
> with them, and put that article to the test :)
> >>
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>The only aspect that is indeed somewhat interesting is MobFox also has
> some REST API:
> >>>http://dev.mobfox.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#MobFox_REST_API
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Beside other legacy stuff like WAP or WURFL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Carlos D'Agostino.
> >
>
>
> --
> Serban Ghita
> http://ro.linkedin.com/in/serbanghita
> http://ghita.org/ | http://mobiledetect.net
Re: In the news
Posted by Jon Arne Sæterås <ja...@mobiletechglobal.com>.
Still, unfortunate and highly unprofessional behavior on a public apache list.
On 3. mai 2013, at 16:34, Reza <re...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Remember, they did execute a DCMA takedown on the OpenDDR project last year. In was meritless and likely meant to clear the playing field of any alternative options.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Serban Ghita <se...@gmail.com>
> To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 10:15 AM
> Subject: Re: In the news
>
>
>
> Hello-hello,
>
> I don't see a real reason on ranting about WURFL and the people behind the current business that is.
> From what I know it was free and open source licensed until one point that they changed the license to a more restrictive one and turned the API into a business.
> I'm guessing that was more of a business decision to monetize the amount of work that they put in the project.
> Whatever!
>
> Serban
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
>>
>>
>> Glad you have the similar opinions on WURFL and some of the people behind it (as you're not bothering to look him up) Their code is unlikely to be "scalable" or "optimized" now either, except they hope to rip-off people who are naive or rich enough to afford 20-50k(!) $ per year annual data providing fees now with the same non-optimized services.
>>
>>
>> Those in the community they also tried to rip-off or at least disappointed are looking for alternatives, which is a main reason we are trying to get more scalable, yet affordable solutions than their unreasonable offerings for a broader community.
>>
>>
>> If you plan to educate MobFox about alternatives like DeviceMap or OpenDDR, feel free to do so. They might also appreciate, many just lack proper knowledge about better alternatives.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Werner
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Carlos D'Agostino <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Heh, Werner I can see you have strong opinions on WURFL and the "italian dumbass" (I think his name was Luca Passiani -- I'm not even bothering to look it up). I don't know the status of WURLF currently, but back in 2010 (I think) their code was certainly not "scalable", or "optimized", or <insert web jargon to produce marketing orgasms>. The data was quite extensive however, and for people operating in markets that don't carry modern handsets (like South Africa and Kenya.. and those "people" include yours truly), it was pretty neat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've notified my marketeers about MobFox, perhaps we do some business with them, and put that article to the test :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The only aspect that is indeed somewhat interesting is MobFox also has some REST API:
>>>> http://dev.mobfox.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#MobFox_REST_API
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Beside other legacy stuff like WAP or WURFL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carlos D'Agostino.
>>
>
>
> --
> Serban Ghita
> http://ro.linkedin.com/in/serbanghita
> http://ghita.org/ | http://mobiledetect.net
Re: In the news
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com>.
Remember, they did execute a DCMA takedown on the OpenDDR project last year. In was meritless and likely meant to clear the playing field of any alternative options.
________________________________
From: Serban Ghita <se...@gmail.com>
To: devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: In the news
Hello-hello,
I don't see a real reason on ranting about WURFL and the people behind the current business that is.
From what I know it was free and open source licensed until one point that they changed the license to a more restrictive one and turned the API into a business.
I'm guessing that was more of a business decision to monetize the amount of work that they put in the project.
Whatever!
Serban
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
Carlos,
>
>
>Glad you have the similar opinions on WURFL and some of the people behind it (as you're not bothering to look him up) Their code is unlikely to be "scalable" or "optimized" now either, except they hope to rip-off people who are naive or rich enough to afford 20-50k(!) $ per year annual data providing fees now with the same non-optimized services.
>
>
>Those in the community they also tried to rip-off or at least disappointed are looking for alternatives, which is a main reason we are trying to get more scalable, yet affordable solutions than their unreasonable offerings for a broader community.
>
>
>If you plan to educate MobFox about alternatives like DeviceMap or OpenDDR, feel free to do so. They might also appreciate, many just lack proper knowledge about better alternatives.
>
>
>Regards,
>Werner
>
>
>
>On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Carlos D'Agostino <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Heh, Werner I can see you have strong opinions on WURFL and the "italian dumbass" (I think his name was Luca Passiani -- I'm not even bothering to look it up). I don't know the status of WURLF currently, but back in 2010 (I think) their code was certainly not "scalable", or "optimized", or <insert web jargon to produce marketing orgasms>. The data was quite extensive however, and for people operating in markets that don't carry modern handsets (like South Africa and Kenya.. and those "people" include yours truly), it was pretty neat.
>>
>>
>>
>>I've notified my marketeers about MobFox, perhaps we do some business with them, and put that article to the test :)
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>The only aspect that is indeed somewhat interesting is MobFox also has some REST API:
>>>http://dev.mobfox.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#MobFox_REST_API
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Beside other legacy stuff like WAP or WURFL
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Carlos D'Agostino.
>
--
Serban Ghita
http://ro.linkedin.com/in/serbanghita
http://ghita.org/ | http://mobiledetect.net
Re: In the news
Posted by Serban Ghita <se...@gmail.com>.
Hello-hello,
I don't see a real reason on ranting about WURFL and the people behind the
current business that is.
>From what I know it was free and open source licensed until one point that
they changed the license to a more restrictive one and turned the API into
a business.
I'm guessing that was more of a business decision to monetize the amount of
work that they put in the project.
Whatever!
Serban
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> Glad you have the similar opinions on WURFL and some of the people behind
> it (as you're not bothering to look him up[?]) Their code is unlikely to
> be "scalable" or "optimized" now either, except they hope to rip-off people
> who are naive or rich enough to afford 20-50k(!) $ per year annual data
> providing fees now with the same non-optimized services.
>
> Those in the community they also tried to rip-off or at least disappointed
> are looking for alternatives, which is a main reason we are trying to get
> more scalable, yet affordable solutions than their unreasonable offerings
> for a broader community.
>
> If you plan to educate MobFox about alternatives like DeviceMap or
> OpenDDR, feel free to do so. They might also appreciate, many just lack
> proper knowledge about better alternatives.
>
> Regards,
> Werner
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Carlos D'Agostino <
> carlos.dagostino@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Heh, Werner I can see you have strong opinions on WURFL and the "italian
>> dumbass" (I think his name was Luca Passiani -- I'm not even bothering to
>> look it up). I don't know the status of WURLF currently, but back in 2010
>> (I think) their code was certainly not "scalable", or "optimized", or
>> <insert web jargon to produce marketing orgasms>. The data was quite
>> extensive however, and for people operating in markets that don't carry
>> modern handsets (like South Africa and Kenya.. and those "people" include
>> yours truly), it was pretty neat.
>>
>> I've notified my marketeers about MobFox, perhaps we do some business
>> with them, and put that article to the test :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The only aspect that is indeed somewhat interesting is MobFox also has
>>> some REST API:
>>> http://dev.mobfox.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#MobFox_REST_API
>>>
>>> Beside other legacy stuff like WAP or WURFL[?]
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos D'Agostino.
>>
>
>
--
Serban Ghita
http://ro.linkedin.com/in/serbanghita
http://ghita.org | http://mobiledetect.net
Re: In the news
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Carlos,
Glad you have the similar opinions on WURFL and some of the people behind
it (as you're not bothering to look him up[?]) Their code is unlikely to be
"scalable" or "optimized" now either, except they hope to rip-off people
who are naive or rich enough to afford 20-50k(!) $ per year annual data
providing fees now with the same non-optimized services.
Those in the community they also tried to rip-off or at least disappointed
are looking for alternatives, which is a main reason we are trying to get
more scalable, yet affordable solutions than their unreasonable offerings
for a broader community.
If you plan to educate MobFox about alternatives like DeviceMap or OpenDDR,
feel free to do so. They might also appreciate, many just lack proper
knowledge about better alternatives.
Regards,
Werner
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Carlos D'Agostino <
carlos.dagostino@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heh, Werner I can see you have strong opinions on WURFL and the "italian
> dumbass" (I think his name was Luca Passiani -- I'm not even bothering to
> look it up). I don't know the status of WURLF currently, but back in 2010
> (I think) their code was certainly not "scalable", or "optimized", or
> <insert web jargon to produce marketing orgasms>. The data was quite
> extensive however, and for people operating in markets that don't carry
> modern handsets (like South Africa and Kenya.. and those "people" include
> yours truly), it was pretty neat.
>
> I've notified my marketeers about MobFox, perhaps we do some business with
> them, and put that article to the test :)
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The only aspect that is indeed somewhat interesting is MobFox also has
>> some REST API:
>> http://dev.mobfox.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#MobFox_REST_API
>>
>> Beside other legacy stuff like WAP or WURFL[?]
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carlos D'Agostino.
>
Re: In the news
Posted by Carlos D'Agostino <ca...@gmail.com>.
Heh, Werner I can see you have strong opinions on WURFL and the "italian
dumbass" (I think his name was Luca Passiani -- I'm not even bothering to
look it up). I don't know the status of WURLF currently, but back in 2010
(I think) their code was certainly not "scalable", or "optimized", or
<insert web jargon to produce marketing orgasms>. The data was quite
extensive however, and for people operating in markets that don't carry
modern handsets (like South Africa and Kenya.. and those "people" include
yours truly), it was pretty neat.
I've notified my marketeers about MobFox, perhaps we do some business with
them, and put that article to the test :)
Regards,
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only aspect that is indeed somewhat interesting is MobFox also has
> some REST API:
> http://dev.mobfox.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#MobFox_REST_API
>
> Beside other legacy stuff like WAP or WURFL[?]
>
--
Carlos D'Agostino.
Re: In the news
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
The only aspect that is indeed somewhat interesting is MobFox also has some
REST API:
http://dev.mobfox.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#MobFox_REST_API
Beside other legacy stuff like WAP or WURFL[?]
Re: In the news
Posted by Werner Keil <we...@gmail.com>.
Sad do see, some Austrians like that Julian Zehetmayr in Vienna, jump to
bed with the WURFL Scam artists.
Even their Italian dumbass, whose name I can't remember doesn't claim WURFL
is a DDR, thus the article is inaccurate on that one, too, but thanks for
mentioning it.
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:08 PM, eberhard speer jr. <se...@ducis.net> wrote:
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