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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com> on 2012/03/20 12:48:11 UTC
Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>
Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
No other comments so far.
What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
Jacopo
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Another data point: I've been in several OFBiz shops recently and have
observed that many people end up using Flat Grey. Not sure why this is.
IMHO Tomahawk looks nice, but in the end, the mixture of dark and light
is hard on the eyes. Having to scroll over to expose links makes
navigation more cumbersome. The hierarchical features are really nice,
but if you have to hunt around to find them, it diminishes their appeal.
This is just my opinion and the reason I always end up using Flat Grey.
Best Regards,
Ruth Hoffman
On 3/20/12 12:36 PM, Anil Patel wrote:
> I prefer keep Flat Gray theme in Ofbiz over others.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Anil Patel
>
> On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel"<ma...@gmail.com>
>>> Flat Gray is simple, and clear.
>>> It serves well as a basic theme.
>>> AFAIK, it the only theme that supports both directions for languages
>>> LTR and RTL.
>> Right and Tomahawk is the last evolution of all others. I prefer Tomahawk: it's easier to find you way because of hierarchised menus (with only 2 levels).
>> Flat Gray is a must have because of LTR and RTL (thanks Adrian!)
>>
>> One project for all themes in Extra makes sense to me.
>> Some/all? (all but Bizzness are pre-evolutions of Tomahawk) could go in Attic (I never got to use Bizzness), to be voted...
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM,<ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
>>>> My preference is to keep Flat Grey and one other theme - I have no
>>>> preference on what that other theme is.
>>>>
>>>> -Adrian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Jacopo Cappellato<ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them
>>>>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>>>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>>>>> No other comments so far.
>>>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>>>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
>>>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for
>>>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Anil Patel <an...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I prefer keep Flat Gray theme in Ofbiz over others.
Thanks and Regards
Anil Patel
On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <ma...@gmail.com>
>> Flat Gray is simple, and clear.
>> It serves well as a basic theme.
>> AFAIK, it the only theme that supports both directions for languages
>> LTR and RTL.
>
> Right and Tomahawk is the last evolution of all others. I prefer Tomahawk: it's easier to find you way because of hierarchised menus (with only 2 levels).
> Flat Gray is a must have because of LTR and RTL (thanks Adrian!)
>
> One project for all themes in Extra makes sense to me.
> Some/all? (all but Bizzness are pre-evolutions of Tomahawk) could go in Attic (I never got to use Bizzness), to be voted...
>
> Jacques
>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM, <ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
>>> My preference is to keep Flat Grey and one other theme - I have no
>>> preference on what that other theme is.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>:
>>>
>>>>> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them
>>>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>>>> No other comments so far.
>>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
>>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for
>>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <ma...@gmail.com>
> Flat Gray is simple, and clear.
> It serves well as a basic theme.
> AFAIK, it the only theme that supports both directions for languages
> LTR and RTL.
Right and Tomahawk is the last evolution of all others. I prefer Tomahawk: it's easier to find you way because of hierarchised menus
(with only 2 levels).
Flat Gray is a must have because of LTR and RTL (thanks Adrian!)
One project for all themes in Extra makes sense to me.
Some/all? (all but Bizzness are pre-evolutions of Tomahawk) could go in Attic (I never got to use Bizzness), to be voted...
Jacques
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM, <ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
>> My preference is to keep Flat Grey and one other theme - I have no
>> preference on what that other theme is.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>:
>>
>>>> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them
>>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>>> No other comments so far.
>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for
>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com>.
Flat Gray is simple, and clear.
It serves well as a basic theme.
AFAIK, it the only theme that supports both directions for languages
LTR and RTL.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM, <ad...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
> My preference is to keep Flat Grey and one other theme - I have no
> preference on what that other theme is.
>
> -Adrian
>
>
> Quoting Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>:
>
>>> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them
>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>>
>>
>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>> No other comments so far.
>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for
>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>
>> Jacopo
>
>
>
>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by ad...@sandglass-software.com.
My preference is to keep Flat Grey and one other theme - I have no
preference on what that other theme is.
-Adrian
Quoting Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>:
>> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of
>> them to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>
>
> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
> No other comments so far.
> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are
> there volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them
> to Extras we create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather
> than one project for theme... but I would love to get your feedback
> on this.
>
> Jacopo
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <ma...@gmail.com>
> Jacques,
>
> inline:
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Jacques Le Roux
> <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>> Hi Mansour,
>>
>>
>> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Jacques,
>>>
>>> We use RTL.
>>> May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but
>>> the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin,
>>> and normally, she is comfortable finding any item quickly. The rest of
>>> the uses don't have that much items and menus shown.
>>
>>
>> This makes sense for a deployment, not OOTB. It's IMO easier to select Flat
>> Grey, if you prefer, for your deployments and to keep
>> Tomahawk as OOTB default for the reasons I explained and others I add below.
>>
>
> Yes, this will work. So you are offering a fancier theme for the demo
> purposes, targeting new comers,
> and developers, can make a copy of FlatGray and customize it. Sound good.
>
>>
>>> I know, other themes may look better, or fancier, but most users use
>>> flat gray to base their work on and extend/customize it, because it's
>>> easier and cleaner. I am not sure if bigger organization prefer
>>> fancier look and feel over cleaner. And to be honest, I think flat
>>> gray looks more professional than others. Therefore, it give a
>>> positive first impression, when demonstrated.
>>>
>>> Additional themes may still exist beside FlatGray, but I recommend to
>>> make it the default one.
>>
>>
>> What makes you think "most users use flat gray to base their work" ?
>
> Sorry, I didn't express it properly. I meant most user based on my
> experience. I have two developers, I worked with,
> extend flat gray, and customize it as they need. This is not a number
> that can be a base for a statistical study,
> and generalize it. It's only my limited experience. Sorry for the confusion.
>
>> Could you define "easier and cleaner", and why Flat Grey is easier and
>> cleaner (besides that it's the only one that is RTL which I
>> understand for you is a must have)
>
> Cleaner and easier in terms of usage:
> The menu is at the top, showing all the available item, makes it easy
> to see what I need in case I navigated to the wrong section, or need
> another
> section. Nothing hidden. In fact even as a demo, it has some positive effect.
>
> and Cleaner and easier in terms of development:
> Flat Gray code is not cluttered. (that is how I feel).
>
>> What makes you think Flat Grey looks more professionnal? For me Flat Gray
>> has not enough contrast. In other words all looks
>> grey/pale and it's difficult to spot things.
>
> I work more with enterprise portals than with ERPs. From what I have
> seen, portal severs default theme is mostly light,
> with darker high light. And I find FlatGray closer to them than
> Tomahawk theme is.
>
> For example:
> http://portals.apache.org/jetspeed-2/
> and:
> http://www.liferay.com/products/liferay-portal/overview
>
> After all, It is not that hard for a developer to change the style of
> OFBiz themes to reflect the colors she likes.
>
>> With Tomahawk I quickly spot buttons, links, etc. because there is more
>> contrast. Maybe it's
>> If you read me, it's not about being fancier but ergonomic which is for me
>> the only priority for the community to use OFBiz OOTB
>> (contrary to deployments)
>
> It's the opposite to me. I find it easier to spot things using
> FlatGray. But again not a big deal.
>
>>
>> Also I'd like to know why Flat Grey is the only Theme being marked as being
>> Sight-Impaired Accessible? Adrian? I remember I began to
>> add <<title="Skip navigation" accesskey="2>> (which is really only a
>> small/poor beginnng) but that's for all themes. What is
>> specific to Flat Grey?
>>
>
>> The only things I could concede:
>> 1. Like 1 to 5% of the male population (women are rarely touched) I'm
>> daltonian (kind of sight-impaired ;o) so my vision about
>> contrast is maybe biased
>> 2. Maybe, because it uses a blackboard background style rather than a white
>> paper style, Tomahawk is more arduous for eyes on a long
>> term (hours of work)
>
> Yes. I can see this, and I agree.
>
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your opinion :o)
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>
> Finally, it's a personal preference.
> However, I like to keep FlatGray. Doesn't have to be the default,
> Unless demos in RTL needed.
That's an important point, and makes me need to consider indeed!
I mean it's not obvious for new comers that only one theme is RTL able
I think it should be default because of that, and keep Tomahawk as OOTB alternative
Jacques
> Thank you.
>
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Jacques Le Roux
>>> <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I see that most people prefer Flat Grey.
>>>>
>>>> Let me explain why I prefer Tomahawk.
>>>>
>>>> Did you ever wonder why the paper we write on has more than often a
>>>> greater
>>>> height than width, why newspaper have many columns, etc.
>>>> Here is an answer
>>>>
>>>> http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3553/why-do-newspapers-use-multiple-columns
>>>>
>>>> OK, my argument: don't you feel a pain to find an application, a menu
>>>> entry
>>>> in Flat Grey? No? Then you are used to find it at some place and don't
>>>> care
>>>> anymore. Now just imagine the same for a new user...
>>>>
>>>> This is where Tomahawk is better. It's far easier to find an entry in 2
>>>> colums (applications in Tomahawk) than in 7 columns (applications in Flat
>>>> Grey). Or an entry in an application (1 column for Tomahawk, up to 14 in
>>>> Flat Grey). Just try it
>>>>
>>>> Another point: Product screens are awful in Flat Grey (to many buttons
>>>> for
>>>> menus, hard to spot). Though actually I believe Tomahawk would benefit
>>>> from
>>>> a third column, for instance for Product. This could be 2 twin columns if
>>>> more than, say, 15 entries would show in a column. Like we have for
>>>> Applications, though not sure how it's organized. I mean why some are in
>>>> right column and other in left one? Also something wich could help spot
>>>> entries quicker would be to allow sorting entries in menus by language.
>>>> It's
>>>> now only done based on English.
>>>>
>>>> OK, now there is the RTL feature. Who use it? Few I guess
>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-to-right#Directionality). Which does
>>>> not
>>>> diminish RTL importance, but ponders it in choice for a default theme.
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cts
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is
>>>>> the best to keep as the default one for the project.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ashish
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
>>>>> jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of
>>>>>> > them
>>>>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>>>>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>>>>>> No other comments so far.
>>>>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>>>>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com>.
Jacques,
inline:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Jacques Le Roux
<ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> Hi Mansour,
>
>
> From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <ma...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Jacques,
>>
>> We use RTL.
>> May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but
>> the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin,
>> and normally, she is comfortable finding any item quickly. The rest of
>> the uses don't have that much items and menus shown.
>
>
> This makes sense for a deployment, not OOTB. It's IMO easier to select Flat
> Grey, if you prefer, for your deployments and to keep
> Tomahawk as OOTB default for the reasons I explained and others I add below.
>
Yes, this will work. So you are offering a fancier theme for the demo
purposes, targeting new comers,
and developers, can make a copy of FlatGray and customize it. Sound good.
>
>> I know, other themes may look better, or fancier, but most users use
>> flat gray to base their work on and extend/customize it, because it's
>> easier and cleaner. I am not sure if bigger organization prefer
>> fancier look and feel over cleaner. And to be honest, I think flat
>> gray looks more professional than others. Therefore, it give a
>> positive first impression, when demonstrated.
>>
>> Additional themes may still exist beside FlatGray, but I recommend to
>> make it the default one.
>
>
> What makes you think "most users use flat gray to base their work" ?
Sorry, I didn't express it properly. I meant most user based on my
experience. I have two developers, I worked with,
extend flat gray, and customize it as they need. This is not a number
that can be a base for a statistical study,
and generalize it. It's only my limited experience. Sorry for the confusion.
> Could you define "easier and cleaner", and why Flat Grey is easier and
> cleaner (besides that it's the only one that is RTL which I
> understand for you is a must have)
Cleaner and easier in terms of usage:
The menu is at the top, showing all the available item, makes it easy
to see what I need in case I navigated to the wrong section, or need
another
section. Nothing hidden. In fact even as a demo, it has some positive effect.
and Cleaner and easier in terms of development:
Flat Gray code is not cluttered. (that is how I feel).
> What makes you think Flat Grey looks more professionnal? For me Flat Gray
> has not enough contrast. In other words all looks
> grey/pale and it's difficult to spot things.
I work more with enterprise portals than with ERPs. From what I have
seen, portal severs default theme is mostly light,
with darker high light. And I find FlatGray closer to them than
Tomahawk theme is.
For example:
http://portals.apache.org/jetspeed-2/
and:
http://www.liferay.com/products/liferay-portal/overview
After all, It is not that hard for a developer to change the style of
OFBiz themes to reflect the colors she likes.
> With Tomahawk I quickly spot buttons, links, etc. because there is more
> contrast. Maybe it's
> If you read me, it's not about being fancier but ergonomic which is for me
> the only priority for the community to use OFBiz OOTB
> (contrary to deployments)
It's the opposite to me. I find it easier to spot things using
FlatGray. But again not a big deal.
>
> Also I'd like to know why Flat Grey is the only Theme being marked as being
> Sight-Impaired Accessible? Adrian? I remember I began to
> add <<title="Skip navigation" accesskey="2>> (which is really only a
> small/poor beginnng) but that's for all themes. What is
> specific to Flat Grey?
>
> The only things I could concede:
> 1. Like 1 to 5% of the male population (women are rarely touched) I'm
> daltonian (kind of sight-impaired ;o) so my vision about
> contrast is maybe biased
> 2. Maybe, because it uses a blackboard background style rather than a white
> paper style, Tomahawk is more arduous for eyes on a long
> term (hours of work)
Yes. I can see this, and I agree.
>
> Thanks for sharing your opinion :o)
>
> Jacques
>
Finally, it's a personal preference.
However, I like to keep FlatGray. Doesn't have to be the default,
Unless demos in RTL needed.
Thank you.
>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Jacques Le Roux
>> <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I see that most people prefer Flat Grey.
>>>
>>> Let me explain why I prefer Tomahawk.
>>>
>>> Did you ever wonder why the paper we write on has more than often a
>>> greater
>>> height than width, why newspaper have many columns, etc.
>>> Here is an answer
>>>
>>> http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3553/why-do-newspapers-use-multiple-columns
>>>
>>> OK, my argument: don't you feel a pain to find an application, a menu
>>> entry
>>> in Flat Grey? No? Then you are used to find it at some place and don't
>>> care
>>> anymore. Now just imagine the same for a new user...
>>>
>>> This is where Tomahawk is better. It's far easier to find an entry in 2
>>> colums (applications in Tomahawk) than in 7 columns (applications in Flat
>>> Grey). Or an entry in an application (1 column for Tomahawk, up to 14 in
>>> Flat Grey). Just try it
>>>
>>> Another point: Product screens are awful in Flat Grey (to many buttons
>>> for
>>> menus, hard to spot). Though actually I believe Tomahawk would benefit
>>> from
>>> a third column, for instance for Product. This could be 2 twin columns if
>>> more than, say, 15 entries would show in a column. Like we have for
>>> Applications, though not sure how it's organized. I mean why some are in
>>> right column and other in left one? Also something wich could help spot
>>> entries quicker would be to allow sorting entries in menus by language.
>>> It's
>>> now only done based on English.
>>>
>>> OK, now there is the RTL feature. Who use it? Few I guess
>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-to-right#Directionality). Which does
>>> not
>>> diminish RTL importance, but ponders it in choice for a default theme.
>>>
>>> My 2 cts
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is
>>>> the best to keep as the default one for the project.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ashish
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
>>>> jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of
>>>>> > them
>>>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>>>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>>>>> No other comments so far.
>>>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>>>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras
>>>>> we
>>>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project
>>>>> for
>>>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Mansour,
From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <ma...@gmail.com>
> Jacques,
> We use RTL.
> May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but
> the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin,
> and normally, she is comfortable finding any item quickly. The rest of
> the uses don't have that much items and menus shown.
This makes sense for a deployment, not OOTB. It's IMO easier to select Flat Grey, if you prefer, for your deployments and to keep
Tomahawk as OOTB default for the reasons I explained and others I add below.
> I know, other themes may look better, or fancier, but most users use
> flat gray to base their work on and extend/customize it, because it's
> easier and cleaner. I am not sure if bigger organization prefer
> fancier look and feel over cleaner. And to be honest, I think flat
> gray looks more professional than others. Therefore, it give a
> positive first impression, when demonstrated.
>
> Additional themes may still exist beside FlatGray, but I recommend to
> make it the default one.
What makes you think "most users use flat gray to base their work" ?
Could you define "easier and cleaner", and why Flat Grey is easier and cleaner (besides that it's the only one that is RTL which I
understand for you is a must have)
What makes you think Flat Grey looks more professionnal? For me Flat Gray has not enough contrast. In other words all looks
grey/pale and it's difficult to spot things.
With Tomahawk I quickly spot buttons, links, etc. because there is more contrast. Maybe it's
If you read me, it's not about being fancier but ergonomic which is for me the only priority for the community to use OFBiz OOTB
(contrary to deployments)
Also I'd like to know why Flat Grey is the only Theme being marked as being Sight-Impaired Accessible? Adrian? I remember I began to
add <<title="Skip navigation" accesskey="2>> (which is really only a small/poor beginnng) but that's for all themes. What is
specific to Flat Grey?
The only things I could concede:
1. Like 1 to 5% of the male population (women are rarely touched) I'm daltonian (kind of sight-impaired ;o) so my vision about
contrast is maybe biased
2. Maybe, because it uses a blackboard background style rather than a white paper style, Tomahawk is more arduous for eyes on a long
term (hours of work)
Thanks for sharing your opinion :o)
Jacques
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Jacques Le Roux
> <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>> I see that most people prefer Flat Grey.
>>
>> Let me explain why I prefer Tomahawk.
>>
>> Did you ever wonder why the paper we write on has more than often a greater
>> height than width, why newspaper have many columns, etc.
>> Here is an answer
>> http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3553/why-do-newspapers-use-multiple-columns
>>
>> OK, my argument: don't you feel a pain to find an application, a menu entry
>> in Flat Grey? No? Then you are used to find it at some place and don't care
>> anymore. Now just imagine the same for a new user...
>>
>> This is where Tomahawk is better. It's far easier to find an entry in 2
>> colums (applications in Tomahawk) than in 7 columns (applications in Flat
>> Grey). Or an entry in an application (1 column for Tomahawk, up to 14 in
>> Flat Grey). Just try it
>>
>> Another point: Product screens are awful in Flat Grey (to many buttons for
>> menus, hard to spot). Though actually I believe Tomahawk would benefit from
>> a third column, for instance for Product. This could be 2 twin columns if
>> more than, say, 15 entries would show in a column. Like we have for
>> Applications, though not sure how it's organized. I mean why some are in
>> right column and other in left one? Also something wich could help spot
>> entries quicker would be to allow sorting entries in menus by language. It's
>> now only done based on English.
>>
>> OK, now there is the RTL feature. Who use it? Few I guess
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-to-right#Directionality). Which does not
>> diminish RTL importance, but ponders it in choice for a default theme.
>>
>> My 2 cts
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is
>>> the best to keep as the default one for the project.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ashish
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
>>> jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of
>>>> > them
>>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>>>> No other comments so far.
>>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
>>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project
>>>> for
>>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Mansour Al Akeel <ma...@gmail.com>.
Jacques,
We use RTL.
May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but
the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin,
and normally, she is comfortable finding any item quickly. The rest of
the uses don't have that much items and menus shown.
I know, other themes may look better, or fancier, but most users use
flat gray to base their work on and extend/customize it, because it's
easier and cleaner. I am not sure if bigger organization prefer
fancier look and feel over cleaner. And to be honest, I think flat
gray looks more professional than others. Therefore, it give a
positive first impression, when demonstrated.
Additional themes may still exist beside FlatGray, but I recommend to
make it the default one.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Jacques Le Roux
<ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> I see that most people prefer Flat Grey.
>
> Let me explain why I prefer Tomahawk.
>
> Did you ever wonder why the paper we write on has more than often a greater
> height than width, why newspaper have many columns, etc.
> Here is an answer
> http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3553/why-do-newspapers-use-multiple-columns
>
> OK, my argument: don't you feel a pain to find an application, a menu entry
> in Flat Grey? No? Then you are used to find it at some place and don't care
> anymore. Now just imagine the same for a new user...
>
> This is where Tomahawk is better. It's far easier to find an entry in 2
> colums (applications in Tomahawk) than in 7 columns (applications in Flat
> Grey). Or an entry in an application (1 column for Tomahawk, up to 14 in
> Flat Grey). Just try it
>
> Another point: Product screens are awful in Flat Grey (to many buttons for
> menus, hard to spot). Though actually I believe Tomahawk would benefit from
> a third column, for instance for Product. This could be 2 twin columns if
> more than, say, 15 entries would show in a column. Like we have for
> Applications, though not sure how it's organized. I mean why some are in
> right column and other in left one? Also something wich could help spot
> entries quicker would be to allow sorting entries in menus by language. It's
> now only done based on English.
>
> OK, now there is the RTL feature. Who use it? Few I guess
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-to-right#Directionality). Which does not
> diminish RTL importance, but ponders it in choice for a default theme.
>
> My 2 cts
>
> Jacques
>
>
> From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
>
>> My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is
>> the best to keep as the default one for the project.
>>
>> --
>> Ashish
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
>> jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of
>>> > them
>>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>> >
>>>
>>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>>> No other comments so far.
>>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
>>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project
>>> for
>>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I see that most people prefer Flat Grey.
Let me explain why I prefer Tomahawk.
Did you ever wonder why the paper we write on has more than often a greater height than width, why newspaper have many columns, etc.
Here is an answer http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3553/why-do-newspapers-use-multiple-columns
OK, my argument: don't you feel a pain to find an application, a menu entry in Flat Grey? No? Then you are used to find it at some
place and don't care anymore. Now just imagine the same for a new user...
This is where Tomahawk is better. It's far easier to find an entry in 2 colums (applications in Tomahawk) than in 7 columns
(applications in Flat Grey). Or an entry in an application (1 column for Tomahawk, up to 14 in Flat Grey). Just try it
Another point: Product screens are awful in Flat Grey (to many buttons for menus, hard to spot). Though actually I believe Tomahawk
would benefit from a third column, for instance for Product. This could be 2 twin columns if more than, say, 15 entries would show
in a column. Like we have for Applications, though not sure how it's organized. I mean why some are in right column and other in
left one? Also something wich could help spot entries quicker would be to allow sorting entries in menus by language. It's now only
done based on English.
OK, now there is the RTL feature. Who use it? Few I guess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-to-right#Directionality). Which does not diminish RTL importance, but ponders it in choice for a
default theme.
My 2 cts
Jacques
From: "Ashish Vijaywargiya" <vi...@gmail.com>
> My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is
> the best to keep as the default one for the project.
>
> --
> Ashish
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
> jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them
>> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>> >
>>
>> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
>> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
>> No other comments so far.
>> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
>> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
>> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for
>> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>>
>> Jacopo
>
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Ashish Vijaywargiya <vi...@gmail.com>.
My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is
the best to keep as the default one for the project.
--
Ashish
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato <
jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them
> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
> >
>
> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
> No other comments so far.
> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for
> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>
> Jacopo
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
I prefer to keep the Flat Grey and one other.
Op 20 maart 2012 12:48 schreef Jacopo Cappellato <
jacopo.cappellato@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende:
> > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them
> to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
> >
>
> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
> No other comments so far.
> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there
> volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we
> create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for
> theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
>
> Jacopo
Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes
Posted by Divesh Dutta <di...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Comments inline:
On Mar 20, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them to "Extras"; keep just one (or two)
>>
>
> Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey.
> Olivier proposed to keep just one (Tomahawk, I guess).
> No other comments so far.
> What should be do with the remaining themes? Attic or Extras? Are there volunteers for Extras? I would suggest that, if we move them to Extras we create *one* project only (for all the themes) rather than one project for theme... but I would love to get your feedback on this.
I agree to add other themes in Extras. More because its goes with the idea of using a resource as plugin and putting them in extras.
Thanks
--
Divesh
>
> Jacopo