[GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

Hi,
I've written my GSOC proposal here :
http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
Could you review it and provide me some feedback?

After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.

Thanks & Regards,
Ali

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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> About this issue, let's talk on some new HTML5 element attributes with two
> different JSF-side cases:
>
> "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we can set
> a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input.

IMO to have a "good" coverage of that, IMO we need an attribute on the
<h:inputText>
which is for sure a no-go

(spec says "when the element's value is the empty string and the
control is not focused ")
So hard to give a "hint" (that's what placeholder is for) with out
having the page-author
specifying details (via a tag-attribute)

> New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is
> validated against emptyness before the form is submitted.

yes is possible, even today.

>
> Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> since it
> is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used for
> this.

correct, see above

>
> Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if <h:inputText
> required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by

I agree

>
> Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with
> rendering "required" element attribute if set;
> And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use optional
> HTML5.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as Jakob
> said.

even with ctx parameter, introducing new attributes to h:xyz is a no-go ;-)

But the rendering of stuff like "required" is truly an option.
Default => if OK with TCK
CTX-Param => just in case if TCK does complain ... ;)

>
> Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
> current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which fits
> in the discussed case is "required".
>
>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
>
> Yeah, I think so.

or + aditional contributions to myfaces-core ;-)
But honestly, that's up to you..

>
> Thanks,
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I like Martin's idea.
>>
>> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
>> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be
>> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jakob
>>
>> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi Ali,
>>> >
>>> > great that you start out with this!
>>> >
>>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
>>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
>>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
>>> > if necessary.
>>>
>>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>>>
>>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
>>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>>>
>>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
>>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Martin
>>> >
>>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>> >>>
>>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>>> >>> has already been done on that.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> You're right.
>>> >> Removed it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
>>> >>> parent
>>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>>> >>> labeled)
>>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create
>>> >>> all
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue.
>>> >>> So we
>>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> GSoC 2010
>>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What do you think?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> Jakob
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> One thing,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>>> >>>> work
>>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>>> >>>> >> for
>>> >>>> >> the
>>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
>>> >>>> >> sounds
>>> >>>> >> like
>>> >>>> HTML
>>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
>>> >>>> > prefix
>>> >>>> later
>>> >>>> > :)
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>>> >>>> >> best.
>>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Regards,
>>> >>>> > --Ali
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> OK,
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>>> >>>> >> best.
>>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
>>> >>>> >> > After
>>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will
>>> >>>> >> >>> bring
>>> >>>> >> >>> this
>>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
>>> >>>> >> >>> > really an
>>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>]

Hi Jan Kees,

>It was about the ID naming separator, which is a
> colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also
> heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid
> according to the HTML spec.

this is not true. The colon is allowed, according to both the HTML and
XHTML specifications. What is invalid was the leading underscore in
automatically generated ids.

The colon, however, led to problems if you wanted to do CSS with an
id-selector, cause the colon is used in CSS as the pseudo-selector.
For this, you can escape the colon with a backslash, according to the
HTML standard. And there, of course, IE comes in, and IE doesn´t know
this escaping, at least in IE6.

I anyways strongly discourage using the id selector based approach -
but if you do, you might need to set prependId on the surrounding form
to false.

best regards,

Martin

>
> /JK
>
>
> 2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we can
>> > set
>> > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input.
>> > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is
>> > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted.
>> >
>> > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText>
>> > since it
>> > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used
>> > for
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if
>> > <h:inputText
>> > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by
>> >
>> > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with
>> > rendering "required" element attribute if set;
>> > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use
>> > optional
>> > HTML5.
>> >
>> > Is this possible?
>>
>> I would rather go with a context parameter.
>>
>> > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as
>> > Jakob
>> > said.
>>
>> yes
>>
>> > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
>> > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which
>> > fits
>> > in the discussed case is "required".
>>
>> let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should
>> not be named HTML 5, but rather something like
>> RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think.
>>
>> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
>> >
>> > Yeah, I think so.
>>
>> whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;)
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I like Martin's idea.
>> >>
>> >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
>> >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has
>> >> to be
>> >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Jakob
>> >>
>> >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>> >>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Ali,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > great that you start out with this!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
>> >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute
>> >>> > -
>> >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
>> >>> > if necessary.
>> >>>
>> >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>> >>>
>> >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>> >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
>> >>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>> >>>
>> >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
>> >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > best regards,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Martin
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>> >>> >> work
>> >>> >>> has already been done on that.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> You're right.
>> >>> >> Removed it.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> >>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
>> >>> >>> parent
>> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>> >>> >>> labeled)
>> >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would
>> >>> >>> create
>> >>> >>> all
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project
>> >>> >>> issue.
>> >>> >>> So we
>> >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> GSoC 2010
>> >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> >>> ...
>> >>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>> >>> >>> ...
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> What do you think?
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> >>> Jakob
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> One thing,
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>> >>> >>>> work
>> >>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> >>> >>>> >> appropriate
>> >>> >>>> >> for
>> >>> >>>> >> the
>> >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
>> >>> >>>> >> sounds
>> >>> >>>> >> like
>> >>> >>>> HTML
>> >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>> >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
>> >>> >>>> > prefix
>> >>> >>>> later
>> >>> >>>> > :)
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>> >>> >>>> >> best.
>> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > Regards,
>> >>> >>>> > --Ali
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> OK,
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>> >>> >>>> >> best.
>> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> >>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>> >>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>> >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>> >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA
>> >>> >>>> >> > ticket.
>> >>> >>>> >> > After
>> >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> bring
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> this
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
>> >>> >>>> for
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > wiki.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

I've updated the wiki, thanks for your feedback.

Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some "extension" tags, so
> maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces impl
> as well.
>
It would be cool :)

Kind Regards,
Ali


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
>  Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some "extension" tags,
> so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces
> impl as well.
>
>
> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> > If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5 Support
>> for
>> > Apache Myfaces2".
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ali
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be
>> fixed
>> >> > because of backwards compatibility.
>> >>
>> >> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
>> >>
>> >> -M
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Great that it's fixed.
>> >> >
>> >> > /JK
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> FYI
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>> >> >>
>> >> >> is deprecated now
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>]

Hi

Don't worry about that. As long as your changes can be activated using a
context param everything is ok. I'll keep an eye on your advance, and if
necesary I'll run those tests for you.

regards,

Leonardo Uribe

2010/3/24 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>

> Hi,
>
> I wrote
>
>
>> Let's see whether TCK complains or not. I can try running TCK, but may
>> need your help here.
>>
>
> before. But I've read that TCK is available for individuals by application
> (scholarship or something).
>
> So, when the correct time comes, can you run TCK for (at least) the
> "required" HTML5 attribute?
>
> I just wanted to learn how TCK stuff is done.
>
> Thanks,
> Ali
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +1 on that :)
>>
>> 2010/3/24 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > +1
>>> >
>>> >  Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some "extension"
>>> tags,
>>> > so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in
>>> myfaces
>>> > impl as well.
>>>
>>> ha! thanks, I am glad you brought it up! I forgot to mention that.
>>> I am sure happy to see the hx: as a "bonus" of the MyFaces RT :-)
>>>
>>> -Matthias
>>>
>>> >
>>> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >>
>>> >> +1
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >> > If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5
>>> Support
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > Apache Myfaces2".
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards,
>>> >> > Ali
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>>> matzew@apache.org>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >> >> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't
>>> be
>>> >> >> > fixed
>>> >> >> > because of backwards compatibility.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> -M
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Great that it's fixed.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > /JK
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> FYI
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> is deprecated now
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >> >
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>>> >
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>>>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

Hi,

I wrote


> Let's see whether TCK complains or not. I can try running TCK, but may need
> your help here.
>

before. But I've read that TCK is available for individuals by application
(scholarship or something).

So, when the correct time comes, can you run TCK for (at least) the
"required" HTML5 attribute?

I just wanted to learn how TCK stuff is done.

Thanks,
Ali

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:

> +1 on that :)
>
> 2010/3/24 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > +1
>> >
>> >  Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some "extension"
>> tags,
>> > so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in
>> myfaces
>> > impl as well.
>>
>> ha! thanks, I am glad you brought it up! I forgot to mention that.
>> I am sure happy to see the hx: as a "bonus" of the MyFaces RT :-)
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> >
>> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >> > If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5
>> Support
>> >> > for
>> >> > Apache Myfaces2".
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Ali
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> matzew@apache.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >> >> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be
>> >> >> > fixed
>> >> >> > because of backwards compatibility.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -M
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Great that it's fixed.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > /JK
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> FYI
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> is deprecated now
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>]

+1 on that :)

2010/3/24 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> >  Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some "extension"
> tags,
> > so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in
> myfaces
> > impl as well.
>
> ha! thanks, I am glad you brought it up! I forgot to mention that.
> I am sure happy to see the hx: as a "bonus" of the MyFaces RT :-)
>
> -Matthias
>
> >
> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >> > If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5 Support
> >> > for
> >> > Apache Myfaces2".
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Ali
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <
> matzew@apache.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> >> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be
> >> >> > fixed
> >> >> > because of backwards compatibility.
> >> >>
> >> >> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
> >> >>
> >> >> -M
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Great that it's fixed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > /JK
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> FYI
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> is deprecated now
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>
> >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
>  Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some "extension" tags,
> so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces
> impl as well.

ha! thanks, I am glad you brought it up! I forgot to mention that.
I am sure happy to see the hx: as a "bonus" of the MyFaces RT :-)

-Matthias

>
> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> > If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5 Support
>> > for
>> > Apache Myfaces2".
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ali
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be
>> >> > fixed
>> >> > because of backwards compatibility.
>> >>
>> >> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
>> >>
>> >> -M
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Great that it's fixed.
>> >> >
>> >> > /JK
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> FYI
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>> >> >>
>> >> >> is deprecated now
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>
>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Leonardo Uribe <lu...@gmail.com>]

+1

 Just as a comment, mojarra has inside its impl jar some "extension" tags,
so maybe in this case we could include the resulting components in myfaces
impl as well.

2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>

> +1
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> > If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5 Support
> for
> > Apache Myfaces2".
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ali
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be
> fixed
> >> > because of backwards compatibility.
> >>
> >> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
> >>
> >> -M
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Great that it's fixed.
> >> >
> >> > /JK
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>
> >> >> FYI
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
> >> >>
> >> >> is deprecated now
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>
> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

+1

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5 Support for
> Apache Myfaces2".
>
> Regards,
> Ali
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be fixed
>> > because of backwards compatibility.
>>
>> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
>>
>> -M
>>
>> >
>> > Great that it's fixed.
>> >
>> > /JK
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>
>> >> FYI
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>> >>
>> >> is deprecated now
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

If there is no objection, I am changing project name to "HTML5 Support for
Apache Myfaces2".

Regards,
Ali

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be fixed
> > because of backwards compatibility.
>
> it's still the default, but now you can change it.
>
> -M
>
> >
> > Great that it's fixed.
> >
> > /JK
> >
> >
> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>
> >> FYI
> >>
> >>
> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
> >>
> >> is deprecated now
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
<ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be fixed
> because of backwards compatibility.

it's still the default, but now you can change it.

-M

>
> Great that it's fixed.
>
> /JK
>
>
> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>>
>> is deprecated now
>>
>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Jan-Kees van Andel <ja...@gmail.com>]

Hey, that's good. I thought I heard some time ago this couldn't be fixed
because of backwards compatibility.

Great that it's fixed.

/JK


2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>

> FYI
>
> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>
> is deprecated now
>
>

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

Hi,

I added the first idea to an overview section:
http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/SummerOfCode2010

I liked Ali's description wiki to the JIRA (which is the single source
of truth). The JIRA is already labeled correct, so it shows up in the
"ASF ideas" section.

-Matthias

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> yes, that's up to Ali :-) But generally yes, why not.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> or + aditional contributions to myfaces-core ;-)
>
> I am OK with it, I would be very happy to contribute to core :)
>
>
>> Default => if OK with TCK
>> CTX-Param => just in case if TCK does complain ... ;)
>
> Let's see whether TCK complains or not. I can try running TCK, but may need
> your help here.
>
>> I would rather go with a context parameter.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but
>> we should be very careful with those things.
>
> Ok, I think so.
>
> Greetings,
> Ali
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>>
>> is deprecated now
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't
>> > remember)
>> > to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a
>> > colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've
>> > also
>> > heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid
>> > according to the HTML spec.
>>
>> right, but wasn't understood at the time of writing the JSF spec ;-)
>>
>> >
>> > I see the same issue rising up with this feature. I think we should
>> > always
>> > render the "most valid" possible markup, according to the markup type of
>> > the
>> > page (html, xhtml, html5 and preferably strict). Even if the JSF spec
>> > doesn't check generated HTML, I think we still need to generate good
>> > stuff.
>>
>> yes, but TCK is not unimportant; we can always bring up issues, to the EG.
>> This has NEVER been a big problem, so I'd stick with that way!
>>
>> >
>> > Having said this, I feel the developer should explicitly enable HTML5
>> > support. "required" and "placeholder" attributes should never be written
>> > to
>> > the client on a html4/xhtml1 page. This should be an explicit choice of
>> > the
>> > developer.
>>
>> placeholder is a no-go anyway. If someone adds the <hx:xyz> components
>> (that target html5), I don't see a reason to do baby-sitting :-)
>>
>> the required can be via flag, as said before
>>
>> >
>> > Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but
>> > we
>> > should be very careful with those things. They often lead to lead to a
>> > mess.
>> > Once the HTML5 spec is final, I think we should consider refactoring all
>> > HTML5 stuff into a separate RenderKit.
>>
>> I think the GSOC proposal does speak of a HTML5_RenderKit :-)
>> Not sure how that differs from your point.
>>
>> Martin just said something like "if possible, add html5 stuff already
>> today" (however that is possible)
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> >
>> > My 2 cents...
>> >
>> > /JK
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Hi guys,
>> >>
>> >> > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we
>> >> > can
>> >> > set
>> >> > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into
>> >> > input.
>> >> > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input
>> >> > is
>> >> > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted.
>> >> >
>> >> > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText>
>> >> > since it
>> >> > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be
>> >> > used
>> >> > for
>> >> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if
>> >> > <h:inputText
>> >> > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by
>> >> >
>> >> > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one
>> >> > with
>> >> > rendering "required" element attribute if set;
>> >> > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use
>> >> > optional
>> >> > HTML5.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is this possible?
>> >>
>> >> I would rather go with a context parameter.
>> >>
>> >> > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as
>> >> > Jakob
>> >> > said.
>> >>
>> >> yes
>> >>
>> >> > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
>> >> > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one
>> >> > which
>> >> > fits
>> >> > in the discussed case is "required".
>> >>
>> >> let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should
>> >> not be named HTML 5, but rather something like
>> >> RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think.
>> >>
>> >> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yeah, I think so.
>> >>
>> >> whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;)
>> >>
>> >> best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I like Martin's idea.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a
>> >> >> HTML5
>> >> >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this
>> >> >> has
>> >> >> to be
>> >> >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Jakob
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>> >> >>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >>> > Hi Ali,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > great that you start out with this!
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this
>> >> >>> > support
>> >> >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required
>> >> >>> > attribute
>> >> >>> > -
>> >> >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute
>> >> >>> > out,
>> >> >>> > if necessary.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>> >> >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a
>> >> >>> > new
>> >> >>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think
>> >> >>> this
>> >> >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > best regards,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Martin
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression
>> >> >>> >> some
>> >> >>> >> work
>> >> >>> >>> has already been done on that.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> You're right.
>> >> >>> >> Removed it.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> >> >>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>> Hi,
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have
>> >> >>> >>> a
>> >> >>> >>> parent
>> >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and
>> >> >>> >>> "gsoc"
>> >> >>> >>> labeled)
>> >> >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would
>> >> >>> >>> create
>> >> >>> >>> all
>> >> >>> >>> the
>> >> >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project
>> >> >>> >>> issue.
>> >> >>> >>> So we
>> >> >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010
>> >> >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >> >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >> >>> >>> ...
>> >> >>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>> >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>> >> >>> >>> ...
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> What do you think?
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> Regards,
>> >> >>> >>> Jakob
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> One thing,
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression
>> >> >>> >>>> some
>> >> >>> >>>> work
>> >> >>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >> >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> >> >>> >>>> >> appropriate
>> >> >>> >>>> >> for
>> >> >>> >>>> >> the
>> >> >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
>> >> >>> >>>> >> sounds
>> >> >>> >>>> >> like
>> >> >>> >>>> HTML
>> >> >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>> >> >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a
>> >> >>> >>>> > cool
>> >> >>> >>>> > prefix
>> >> >>> >>>> later
>> >> >>> >>>> > :)
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent
>> >> >>> >>>> >> out):
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it
>> >> >>> >>>> >> fits
>> >> >>> >>>> >> best.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > Regards,
>> >> >>> >>>> > --Ali
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> OK,
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent
>> >> >>> >>>> >> out):
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it
>> >> >>> >>>> >> fits
>> >> >>> >>>> >> best.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>> >> >>> >>>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> >> >>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > ticket.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > After
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >> >>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> will
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> bring
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> this
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
>> >> >>> >>>> for
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > h5.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > feedback?
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > wiki.
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
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>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
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>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

>
> yes, that's up to Ali :-) But generally yes, why not.
>
...

or + aditional contributions to myfaces-core ;-)
>

I am OK with it, I would be very happy to contribute to core :)


Default => if OK with TCK
> CTX-Param => just in case if TCK does complain ... ;)
>

Let's see whether TCK complains or not. I can try running TCK, but may need
your help here.

I would rather go with a context parameter.
>
...
>
Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but we
> should be very careful with those things.
>

Ok, I think so.

Greetings,
Ali

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>wrote:

> FYI
>
> http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
>
> is deprecated now
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't
> remember)
> > to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a
> > colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also
> > heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid
> > according to the HTML spec.
>
> right, but wasn't understood at the time of writing the JSF spec ;-)
>
> >
> > I see the same issue rising up with this feature. I think we should
> always
> > render the "most valid" possible markup, according to the markup type of
> the
> > page (html, xhtml, html5 and preferably strict). Even if the JSF spec
> > doesn't check generated HTML, I think we still need to generate good
> stuff.
>
> yes, but TCK is not unimportant; we can always bring up issues, to the EG.
> This has NEVER been a big problem, so I'd stick with that way!
>
> >
> > Having said this, I feel the developer should explicitly enable HTML5
> > support. "required" and "placeholder" attributes should never be written
> to
> > the client on a html4/xhtml1 page. This should be an explicit choice of
> the
> > developer.
>
> placeholder is a no-go anyway. If someone adds the <hx:xyz> components
> (that target html5), I don't see a reason to do baby-sitting :-)
>
> the required can be via flag, as said before
>
> >
> > Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but
> we
> > should be very careful with those things. They often lead to lead to a
> mess.
> > Once the HTML5 spec is final, I think we should consider refactoring all
> > HTML5 stuff into a separate RenderKit.
>
> I think the GSOC proposal does speak of a HTML5_RenderKit :-)
> Not sure how that differs from your point.
>
> Martin just said something like "if possible, add html5 stuff already
> today" (however that is possible)
>
> -Matthias
>
> >
> > My 2 cents...
> >
> > /JK
> >
> >
> > 2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we
> can
> >> > set
> >> > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input.
> >> > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is
> >> > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted.
> >> >
> >> > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText>
> >> > since it
> >> > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used
> >> > for
> >> > this.
> >> >
> >> > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if
> >> > <h:inputText
> >> > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by
> >> >
> >> > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with
> >> > rendering "required" element attribute if set;
> >> > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use
> >> > optional
> >> > HTML5.
> >> >
> >> > Is this possible?
> >>
> >> I would rather go with a context parameter.
> >>
> >> > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as
> >> > Jakob
> >> > said.
> >>
> >> yes
> >>
> >> > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
> >> > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one
> which
> >> > fits
> >> > in the discussed case is "required".
> >>
> >> let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should
> >> not be named HTML 5, but rather something like
> >> RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think.
> >>
> >> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, I think so.
> >>
> >> whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;)
> >>
> >> best regards,
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <
> jakob.korherr@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I like Martin's idea.
> >> >>
> >> >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a
> HTML5
> >> >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has
> >> >> to be
> >> >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Jakob
> >> >>
> >> >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
> >> >>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>> > Hi Ali,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > great that you start out with this!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this
> support
> >> >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required
> attribute
> >> >>> > -
> >> >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute
> out,
> >> >>> > if necessary.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
> >> >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a
> new
> >> >>> > namespace, as you suggested.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think
> this
> >> >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > best regards,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Martin
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
> >> >>> >> work
> >> >>> >>> has already been done on that.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> You're right.
> >> >>> >> Removed it.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
> >> >>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>> Hi,
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have
> a
> >> >>> >>> parent
> >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and
> "gsoc"
> >> >>> >>> labeled)
> >> >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would
> >> >>> >>> create
> >> >>> >>> all
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project
> >> >>> >>> issue.
> >> >>> >>> So we
> >> >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010
> >> >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
> >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >> >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >> >>> >>> ...
> >> >>> >>> --GSoC project #2
> >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
> >> >>> >>> ...
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> What do you think?
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Regards,
> >> >>> >>> Jakob
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> One thing,
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression
> some
> >> >>> >>>> work
> >> >>> >>>> has already been done on that.
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >> >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
> >> >>> >>>> >> appropriate
> >> >>> >>>> >> for
> >> >>> >>>> >> the
> >> >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
> >> >>> >>>> >> sounds
> >> >>> >>>> >> like
> >> >>> >>>> HTML
> >> >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
> >> >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a
> cool
> >> >>> >>>> > prefix
> >> >>> >>>> later
> >> >>> >>>> > :)
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent
> out):
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
> >> >>> >>>> >> best.
> >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks :)
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > Regards,
> >> >>> >>>> > --Ali
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> OK,
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent
> out):
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
> >> >>> >>>> >> best.
> >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> -Matthias
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
> >> >>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
> >> >>> >>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> >> > Ah,
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > interesting:
> >> >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
> >> >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA
> >> >>> >>>> >> > ticket.
> >> >>> >>>> >> > After
> >> >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> >>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >> /JK
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> bring
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> this
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
> >> >>> >>>> for
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > the
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named
> h5.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > wiki.
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> --
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > --
> >> >>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> --
> >> >>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > --
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> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> --
> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> --
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> >> >>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > --
> >> >>> >
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> >> >>> >
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>
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> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

FYI
http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR

is deprecated now

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
<ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't remember)
> to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a
> colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also
> heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid
> according to the HTML spec.

right, but wasn't understood at the time of writing the JSF spec ;-)

>
> I see the same issue rising up with this feature. I think we should always
> render the "most valid" possible markup, according to the markup type of the
> page (html, xhtml, html5 and preferably strict). Even if the JSF spec
> doesn't check generated HTML, I think we still need to generate good stuff.

yes, but TCK is not unimportant; we can always bring up issues, to the EG.
This has NEVER been a big problem, so I'd stick with that way!

>
> Having said this, I feel the developer should explicitly enable HTML5
> support. "required" and "placeholder" attributes should never be written to
> the client on a html4/xhtml1 page. This should be an explicit choice of the
> developer.

placeholder is a no-go anyway. If someone adds the <hx:xyz> components
(that target html5), I don't see a reason to do baby-sitting :-)

the required can be via flag, as said before

>
> Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but we
> should be very careful with those things. They often lead to lead to a mess.
> Once the HTML5 spec is final, I think we should consider refactoring all
> HTML5 stuff into a separate RenderKit.

I think the GSOC proposal does speak of a HTML5_RenderKit :-)
Not sure how that differs from your point.

Martin just said something like "if possible, add html5 stuff already
today" (however that is possible)

-Matthias

>
> My 2 cents...
>
> /JK
>
>
> 2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we can
>> > set
>> > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input.
>> > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is
>> > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted.
>> >
>> > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText>
>> > since it
>> > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used
>> > for
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if
>> > <h:inputText
>> > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by
>> >
>> > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with
>> > rendering "required" element attribute if set;
>> > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use
>> > optional
>> > HTML5.
>> >
>> > Is this possible?
>>
>> I would rather go with a context parameter.
>>
>> > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as
>> > Jakob
>> > said.
>>
>> yes
>>
>> > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
>> > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which
>> > fits
>> > in the discussed case is "required".
>>
>> let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should
>> not be named HTML 5, but rather something like
>> RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think.
>>
>> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
>> >
>> > Yeah, I think so.
>>
>> whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;)
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I like Martin's idea.
>> >>
>> >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
>> >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has
>> >> to be
>> >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Jakob
>> >>
>> >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>> >>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Ali,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > great that you start out with this!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
>> >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute
>> >>> > -
>> >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
>> >>> > if necessary.
>> >>>
>> >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>> >>>
>> >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>> >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
>> >>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>> >>>
>> >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
>> >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > best regards,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Martin
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>> >>> >> work
>> >>> >>> has already been done on that.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> You're right.
>> >>> >> Removed it.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> >>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
>> >>> >>> parent
>> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>> >>> >>> labeled)
>> >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would
>> >>> >>> create
>> >>> >>> all
>> >>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project
>> >>> >>> issue.
>> >>> >>> So we
>> >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> GSoC 2010
>> >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> >>> ...
>> >>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>> >>> >>> ...
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> What do you think?
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> >>> Jakob
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> One thing,
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>> >>> >>>> work
>> >>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> >>> >>>> >> appropriate
>> >>> >>>> >> for
>> >>> >>>> >> the
>> >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
>> >>> >>>> >> sounds
>> >>> >>>> >> like
>> >>> >>>> HTML
>> >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>> >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
>> >>> >>>> > prefix
>> >>> >>>> later
>> >>> >>>> > :)
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>> >>> >>>> >> best.
>> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > Regards,
>> >>> >>>> > --Ali
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> OK,
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>> >>> >>>> >> best.
>> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> >>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>> >>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>> >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>> >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA
>> >>> >>>> >> > ticket.
>> >>> >>>> >> > After
>> >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> bring
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> this
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
>> >>> >>>> for
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > wiki.
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
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>> >>> >>>> >> >>>
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>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > --
>> >>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >>>> >> >
>> >>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >>>> >> --
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>> >>> >>>> >>
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>> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Jan-Kees van Andel <ja...@gmail.com>]

This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't remember)
to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a
colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also
heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid
according to the HTML spec.

I see the same issue rising up with this feature. I think we should always
render the "most valid" possible markup, according to the markup type of the
page (html, xhtml, html5 and preferably strict). Even if the JSF spec
doesn't check generated HTML, I think we still need to generate good stuff.

Having said this, I feel the developer should explicitly enable HTML5
support. "required" and "placeholder" attributes should never be written to
the client on a html4/xhtml1 page. This should be an explicit choice of the
developer.

Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but we
should be very careful with those things. They often lead to lead to a mess.
Once the HTML5 spec is final, I think we should consider refactoring all
HTML5 stuff into a separate RenderKit.

My 2 cents...

/JK


2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>

> Hi guys,
>
> > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we can
> set
> > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input.
> > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is
> > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted.
> >
> > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> since
> it
> > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used
> for
> > this.
> >
> > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if
> <h:inputText
> > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by
> >
> > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with
> > rendering "required" element attribute if set;
> > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use
> optional
> > HTML5.
> >
> > Is this possible?
>
> I would rather go with a context parameter.
>
> > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as Jakob
> > said.
>
> yes
>
> > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
> > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which
> fits
> > in the discussed case is "required".
>
> let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should
> not be named HTML 5, but rather something like
> RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think.
>
> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
> >
> > Yeah, I think so.
>
> whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;)
>
> best regards,
>
> Martin
>
> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I like Martin's idea.
> >>
> >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
> >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to
> be
> >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jakob
> >>
> >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
> >>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> > Hi Ali,
> >>> >
> >>> > great that you start out with this!
> >>> >
> >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
> >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
> >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
> >>> > if necessary.
> >>>
> >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
> >>>
> >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
> >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
> >>> > namespace, as you suggested.
> >>>
> >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
> >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > best regards,
> >>> >
> >>> > Martin
> >>> >
> >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >>> >>>
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >>> >>>
> >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
> work
> >>> >>> has already been done on that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> You're right.
> >>> >> Removed it.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
> >>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Hi,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
> >>> >>> parent
> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
> >>> >>> labeled)
> >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would
> create
> >>> >>> all
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue.
> >>> >>> So we
> >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> GSoC 2010
> >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >>> >>> ...
> >>> >>> --GSoC project #2
> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
> >>> >>> ...
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> What do you think?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Regards,
> >>> >>> Jakob
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> One thing,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
> >>> >>>> work
> >>> >>>> has already been done on that.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
> >>> >>>> >> for
> >>> >>>> >> the
> >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
> >>> >>>> >> sounds
> >>> >>>> >> like
> >>> >>>> HTML
> >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
> >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
> >>> >>>> > prefix
> >>> >>>> later
> >>> >>>> > :)
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
> >>> >>>> >> best.
> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > Thanks :)
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > Regards,
> >>> >>>> > --Ali
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > wrote:
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> OK,
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
> >>> >>>> >> best.
> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> -Matthias
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
> >>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
> >>> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>> >> > Ah,
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > interesting:
> >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
> >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA
> ticket.
> >>> >>>> >> > After
> >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >> /JK
> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will
> >>> >>>> >> >>> bring
> >>> >>>> >> >>> this
> >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
> >>> >>>> for
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > the
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
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> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> --
> >>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >>>
> >>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >>
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > --
> >>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> >
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> --
> >>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >>>> >>
> >>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
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> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
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> >>> >>>> >
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> >>> >>>> --
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> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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> >>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>]

Hi guys,

> "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we can set
> a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input.
> New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is
> validated against emptyness before the form is submitted.
>
> Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> since it
> is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used for
> this.
>
> Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if <h:inputText
> required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by
>
> Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with
> rendering "required" element attribute if set;
> And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use optional
> HTML5.
>
> Is this possible?

I would rather go with a context parameter.

> Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as Jakob
> said.

yes

> Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
> current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which fits
> in the discussed case is "required".

let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should
not be named HTML 5, but rather something like
RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think.

>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
>
> Yeah, I think so.

whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;)

best regards,

Martin

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I like Martin's idea.
>>
>> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
>> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be
>> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jakob
>>
>> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi Ali,
>>> >
>>> > great that you start out with this!
>>> >
>>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
>>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
>>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
>>> > if necessary.
>>>
>>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>>>
>>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
>>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>>>
>>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
>>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Martin
>>> >
>>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>> >>>
>>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>>> >>> has already been done on that.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> You're right.
>>> >> Removed it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
>>> >>> parent
>>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>>> >>> labeled)
>>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create
>>> >>> all
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue.
>>> >>> So we
>>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> GSoC 2010
>>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What do you think?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> Jakob
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> One thing,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>>> >>>> work
>>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>>> >>>> >> for
>>> >>>> >> the
>>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
>>> >>>> >> sounds
>>> >>>> >> like
>>> >>>> HTML
>>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
>>> >>>> > prefix
>>> >>>> later
>>> >>>> > :)
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>>> >>>> >> best.
>>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Regards,
>>> >>>> > --Ali
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> OK,
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
>>> >>>> >> best.
>>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
>>> >>>> >> > After
>>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will
>>> >>>> >> >>> bring
>>> >>>> >> >>> this
>>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
>>> >>>> >> >>> > really an
>>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> --
>>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > --
>>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> --
>>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > http://www.irian.at
>>> >
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>>> > Courses in English and German
>>> >
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>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

Hi Martin,
Thanks for your feedback.

About this issue, let's talk on some new HTML5 element attributes with two
different JSF-side cases:

   - "placeholder<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/common-input-element-attributes.html#attr-input-placeholder>"
   attribute of
"input<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-input-element.html#the-input-element>"
   element: With this attribute, we can set a placeholder text that is shown if
   there is nothing typed into input.
   - New "required<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/common-input-element-attributes.html#attr-input-required>"
   attribute of
"input<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-input-element.html#the-input-element>"
   element : If this is set, input is validated against emptyness before the
   form is submitted.

Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> since it
is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used for
this.

Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if <h:inputText
required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by

   - Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with
   rendering "required" element attribute if set;
   - And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use
   optional HTML5.

Is this possible?

Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as Jakob
said.

Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to
current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which fits
in the discussed case is "required".

IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC.
>
Yeah, I think so.

Thanks,

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I like Martin's idea.
>
> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be
> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
>
> Regards,
> Jakob
>
> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Ali,
>> >
>> > great that you start out with this!
>> >
>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
>> > if necessary.
>>
>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>>
>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>>
>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>>
>> >
>> > best regards,
>> >
>> > Martin
>> >
>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>>
>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>> >>> has already been done on that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You're right.
>> >> Removed it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>> >>>
>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
>> parent
>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>> >>> labeled)
>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create
>> all
>> >>> the
>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So
>> we
>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>> >>>
>> >>> GSoC 2010
>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> ...
>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>> >>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>> What do you think?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Jakob
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>
>> >>>> One thing,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>>>
>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>> work
>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>> for
>> >>>> >> the
>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds
>> >>>> >> like
>> >>>> HTML
>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
>> prefix
>> >>>> later
>> >>>> > :)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Regards,
>> >>>> > --Ali
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> matzew@apache.org
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> OK,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
>> >>>> >> > After
>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring
>> >>>> >> >>> this
>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> appropriate
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really
>> an
>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> matzew@apache.org
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <
>> aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> --
>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > --
>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --
>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>>
>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
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>> >
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>>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
<ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
>> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be
>> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.

We already have some extensions in myfaces, so yes - why not.

>
> +1
>
> @Matthias: why not do it right in the first place? I think the merging
> effort would be pretty labour intensive, and while Ali is at it, I am
> sure he is happy to contribute to MyFaces core as well ;)

yes, that's up to Ali :-) But generally yes, why not.

>
> best regards,
>
> Martin
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Jakob
>>
>> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi Ali,
>>> >
>>> > great that you start out with this!
>>> >
>>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
>>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
>>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
>>> > if necessary.
>>>
>>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>>>
>>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
>>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>>>
>>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
>>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Martin
>>> >
>>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>> >>>
>>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>>> >>> has already been done on that.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> You're right.
>>> >> Removed it.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
>>> >>> parent
>>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>>> >>> labeled)
>>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create
>>> >>> all
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So
>>> >>> we
>>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> GSoC 2010
>>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>>> >>> ...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What do you think?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> Jakob
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> One thing,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>>> >>>> work
>>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>>> >>>> >> for
>>> >>>> >> the
>>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds
>>> >>>> >> like
>>> >>>> HTML
>>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
>>> >>>> > prefix
>>> >>>> later
>>> >>>> > :)
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Regards,
>>> >>>> > --Ali
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> OK,
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>>> >>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
>>> >>>> >> > After
>>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring
>>> >>>> >> >>> this
>>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really
>>> >>>> >> >>> > an
>>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>> >
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> --
>>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>>
>>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >>
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > --
>>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> >
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> --
>>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>> >>
>>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > http://www.irian.at
>>> >
>>> > Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> > JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> > Courses in English and German
>>> >
>>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

Yeah, I would be happy to contribute to core too :)

But, I couldn't get how to add support for core clear in my head.

Matthias, as my mentor, what do you think about the possibility and the
required effort?



On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Martin Marinschek <
martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:

> > If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
> > config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to
> be
> > turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.
>
> +1
>
> @Matthias: why not do it right in the first place? I think the merging
> effort would be pretty labour intensive, and while Ali is at it, I am
> sure he is happy to contribute to MyFaces core as well ;)
>
> best regards,
>
> Martin
>
>
> > Regards,
> > Jakob
> >
> > 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
> >> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > Hi Ali,
> >> >
> >> > great that you start out with this!
> >> >
> >> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
> >> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
> >> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
> >> > if necessary.
> >>
> >> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
> >>
> >> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
> >> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
> >> > namespace, as you suggested.
> >>
> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
> >> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > best regards,
> >> >
> >> > Martin
> >> >
> >> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >> >>>
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >> >>>
> >> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
> work
> >> >>> has already been done on that.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You're right.
> >> >> Removed it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
> >> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
> >> >>> parent
> >> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
> >> >>> labeled)
> >> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create
> >> >>> all
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue.
> So
> >> >>> we
> >> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> GSoC 2010
> >> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
> >> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>> --GSoC project #2
> >> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What do you think?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>> Jakob
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> One thing,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >> >>>>
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
> >> >>>> work
> >> >>>> has already been done on that.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -Matthias
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >> >>>> > Hi,
> >> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
> >> >>>> >> for
> >> >>>> >> the
> >> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx
> sounds
> >> >>>> >> like
> >> >>>> HTML
> >> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
> >> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
> >> >>>> > prefix
> >> >>>> later
> >> >>>> > :)
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
> best.
> >> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Thanks :)
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Regards,
> >> >>>> > --Ali
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > wrote:
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> OK,
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits
> best.
> >> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> -Matthias
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
> >> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
> >> >>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> > Ah,
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > interesting:
> >> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
> >> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA
> ticket.
> >> >>>> >> > After
> >> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > -Matthias
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >> /JK
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will
> bring
> >> >>>> >> >>> this
> >> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
> >> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
> >> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
> >> >>>> for
> >> >>>> >> >>> > the
> >> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
> >> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not
> really
> >> >>>> >> >>> > an
> >> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
> >> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
> >> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
> >> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> --
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> >> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
> >> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>> >
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> --
> >> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > --
> >> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> --
> >> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > --
> >> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>]

> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be
> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.

+1

@Matthias: why not do it right in the first place? I think the merging
effort would be pretty labour intensive, and while Ali is at it, I am
sure he is happy to contribute to MyFaces core as well ;)

best regards,

Martin


> Regards,
> Jakob
>
> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
>> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Ali,
>> >
>> > great that you start out with this!
>> >
>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
>> > if necessary.
>>
>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>>
>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
>> > namespace, as you suggested.
>>
>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>>
>> >
>> > best regards,
>> >
>> > Martin
>> >
>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>>
>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>> >>> has already been done on that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You're right.
>> >> Removed it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>> >>>
>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
>> >>> parent
>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>> >>> labeled)
>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create
>> >>> all
>> >>> the
>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So
>> >>> we
>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>> >>>
>> >>> GSoC 2010
>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> >>> ...
>> >>> --GSoC project #2
>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>> >>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>> What do you think?
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Jakob
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>
>> >>>> One thing,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some
>> >>>> work
>> >>>> has already been done on that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>> >>>> >> for
>> >>>> >> the
>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds
>> >>>> >> like
>> >>>> HTML
>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
>> >>>> > prefix
>> >>>> later
>> >>>> > :)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks :)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Regards,
>> >>>> > --Ali
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> > <matzew@apache.org
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> OK,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> -Matthias
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> > Ah,
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > interesting:
>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
>> >>>> >> > After
>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > -Matthias
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> /JK
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring
>> >>>> >> >>> this
>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> >> >>> > the
>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really
>> >>>> >> >>> > an
>> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <matzew@apache.org
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >>
>> >>>> >> >>> >> --
>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> --
>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > --
>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --
>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>>
>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > http://www.irian.at
>> >
>> > Your JSF powerhouse -
>> > JSF Consulting, Development and
>> > Courses in English and German
>> >
>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
>



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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>]

I like Martin's idea.

If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5
config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to be
turned off by default in order to make the TCK work.

Regards,
Jakob

2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
> <mm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Ali,
> >
> > great that you start out with this!
> >
> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
> > if necessary.
>
> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing
>
> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
> > namespace, as you suggested.
>
> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.
>
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >>>
> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
> >>> has already been done on that.
> >>
> >>
> >> You're right.
> >> Removed it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
> >> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
> >>>
> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a
> parent
> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
> >>> labeled)
> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create
> all
> >>> the
> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So
> we
> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
> >>>
> >>> GSoC 2010
> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> >>> ...
> >>> --GSoC project #2
> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jakob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>>
> >>>> One thing,
> >>>>
> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
> >>>> has already been done on that.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Matthias
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>> > Hi,
> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds
> >>>> >> like
> >>>> HTML
> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Yeah, correct.
> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool
> prefix
> >>>> later
> >>>> > :)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks :)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards,
> >>>> > --Ali
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <
> matzew@apache.org
> >>>> >
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> OK,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -Matthias
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
> >>>> matzew@apache.org>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> > Ah,
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > interesting:
> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
> >>>> >> > After
> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > -Matthias
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> /JK
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring
> >>>> >> >>> this
> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more
> appropriate
> >>>> for
> >>>> >> >>> > the
> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really
> an
> >>>> >> >>> > extension.
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> > Regards,
> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
> >>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <
> matzew@apache.org
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <
> aliok@aliok.com.tr>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> --
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>> >> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>>> >> >>> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >>
> >>>> >> >>> >> --
> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>> >
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> --
> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>> >> >>>
> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > --
> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> --
> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
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> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek
<mm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Ali,
>
> great that you start out with this!
>
> I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
> already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
> shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
> if necessary.

not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing

> I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
> covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
> namespace, as you suggested.

IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this
should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible.

>
> best regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>
>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>>
>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>>> has already been done on that.
>>
>>
>> You're right.
>> Removed it.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>>>
>>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a parent
>>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>>> labeled)
>>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create all
>>> the
>>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So we
>>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>>>
>>> GSoC 2010
>>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>>> ...
>>> --GSoC project #2
>>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>>> ...
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jakob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>
>>>> One thing,
>>>>
>>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>>>> has already been done on that.
>>>>
>>>> -Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds
>>>> >> like
>>>> HTML
>>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yeah, correct.
>>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool prefix
>>>> later
>>>> > :)
>>>> >
>>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks :)
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > --Ali
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> OK,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Matthias
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>>>> matzew@apache.org>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Ah,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > interesting:
>>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
>>>> >> > After
>>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -Matthias
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> /JK
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring
>>>> >> >>> this
>>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>>>> for
>>>> >> >>> > the
>>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
>>>> >> >>> > extension.
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
>>>> >
>>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>> >> >>> >> --
>>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> --
>>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>> >>
>>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Martin Marinschek <mm...@apache.org>]

Hi Ali,

great that you start out with this!

I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support
already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute -
shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out,
if necessary. I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be
covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new
namespace, as you suggested.

best regards,

Martin

On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>
>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>
> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>> has already been done on that.
>
>
> You're right.
> Removed it.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr
> <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>>
>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a parent
>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc"
>> labeled)
>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create all
>> the
>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So we
>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>>
>> GSoC 2010
>> --HTML 5 RenderKit
>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
>> ...
>> --GSoC project #2
>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
>> ...
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jakob
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>
>>> One thing,
>>>
>>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>>
>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>>> has already been done on that.
>>>
>>> -Matthias
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>>> >
>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for
>>> >> the
>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds
>>> >> like
>>> HTML
>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>>> >
>>> > Yeah, correct.
>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool prefix
>>> later
>>> > :)
>>> >
>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>
>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>
>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >
>>> > Thanks :)
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > --Ali
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> OK,
>>> >>
>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>> >>
>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>> >>
>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>> >>
>>> >> -Matthias
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>>> matzew@apache.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Ah,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > interesting:
>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>>> >> >
>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket.
>>> >> > After
>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Matthias
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> /JK
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring
>>> >> >>> this
>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> -Matthias
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>>> for
>>> >> >>> > the
>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
>>> >> >>> > extension.
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > Regards,
>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
>>> >
>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>> >>>> >
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> --
>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >> >>> >>>>
>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >> >>> >>>
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >>> >> --
>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>> >
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >> >
>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>
>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

>
> I see you you refering to this thread:
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>
I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
> has already been done on that.


You're right.
Removed it.


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This all looks very fine to me - great work :)
>
> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a parent
> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc" labeled)
> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create all the
> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So we
> would have a hierarchy that looks like this:
>
> GSoC 2010
> --HTML 5 RenderKit
> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
> ...
> --GSoC project #2
> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
> ...
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards,
> Jakob
>
>
>
> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>
>> One thing,
>>
>> I see you you refering to this thread:
>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>>
>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
>> has already been done on that.
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > Thank you all for your reviews.
>> >
>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds like
>> HTML
>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>> >
>> > Yeah, correct.
>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool prefix
>> later
>> > :)
>> >
>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>
>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>
>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >
>> > Thanks :)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > --Ali
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> OK,
>> >>
>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>> >>
>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>> >>
>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>> >>
>> >> -Matthias
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
>> matzew@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Ah,
>> >> >
>> >> > interesting:
>> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
>> >> >
>> >> > They "group" their tickets:
>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>> >> >
>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. After
>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>> >> >
>> >> > -Matthias
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> /JK
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -Matthias
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> > Looks good.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
>> for
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
>> >> >>> > extension.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Regards,
>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >> >>> >>> Bruno
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
>> >
>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> > --
>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>> >
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> --
>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> --
>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >
>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>
>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
>
>


-- 
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

This all looks very fine to me - great work :)

About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a parent
GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc" labeled)
sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would create all the
things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. So we
would have a hierarchy that looks like this:

GSoC 2010
--HTML 5 RenderKit
----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit
----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit
...
--GSoC project #2
----issue #1 of GSoC project #2
...

What do you think?

Regards,
Jakob


2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>

> One thing,
>
> I see you you refering to this thread:
> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html
>
> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
> has already been done on that.
>
> -Matthias
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Thank you all for your reviews.
> >
> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds like
> HTML
> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
> >
> > Yeah, correct.
> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool prefix
> later
> > :)
> >
> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >>
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >>
> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >
> > Thanks :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > --Ali
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> OK,
> >>
> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
> >>
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
> >>
> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
> >>
> >> -Matthias
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Ah,
> >> >
> >> > interesting:
> >> > This is how tomcat does it.
> >> >
> >> > They "group" their tickets:
> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
> >> >
> >> > and point to the JIRA entries.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. After
> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
> >> >
> >> > -Matthias
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
> >> >>
> >> >> /JK
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Matthias
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> > Looks good.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate
> for
> >> >>> > the
> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
> >> >>> > extension.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Regards,
> >> >>> > Jan-Kees
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
> >> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
> >> >>> >>> Bruno
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
> >> >>> >>>> > Ali
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> > --
> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> --
> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> --
> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >>>
> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >
> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>
> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

One thing,

I see you you refering to this thread:
http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html

I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some work
has already been done on that.

-Matthias

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
> Thank you all for your reviews.
>
>> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
>> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds like HTML
>> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>
> Yeah, correct.
> You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool prefix later
> :)
>
>> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>
>> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>
> Thanks :)
>
> Regards,
> --Ali
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> OK,
>>
>> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>>
>> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
>> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Ah,
>> >
>> > interesting:
>> > This is how tomcat does it.
>> >
>> > They "group" their tickets:
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>> >
>> > and point to the JIRA entries.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. After
>> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>> >
>> > -Matthias
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>> >>
>> >> /JK
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>
>> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
>> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Matthias
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > Looks good.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
>> >>> > extension.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Regards,
>> >>> > Jan-Kees
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda
>> >>> >> <br...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >>> >>> Bruno
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >>> >>>> > Ali
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> > --
>> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> --
>> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
>> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>
>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >
>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>



-- 
Matthias Wessendorf

blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>]

Hi,
Thank you all for your reviews.

Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx sounds like HTML
> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>

Yeah, correct.
You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool prefix later
:)

raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>
> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>

Thanks :)

Regards,
--Ali

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>wrote:

> OK,
>
> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617
>
> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...
>
> -Matthias
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Ah,
> >
> > interesting:
> > This is how tomcat does it.
> >
> > They "group" their tickets:
> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
> >
> > and point to the JIRA entries.
> >
> >
> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. After
> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> > <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
> >>
> >> /JK
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>>
> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
> >>>
> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
> >>> wiki txt to our jira.
> >>>
> >>> -Matthias
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> >>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Looks good.
> >>> >
> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for
> the
> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
> >>> > extension.
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> > Jan-Kees
> >>> >
> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda <
> brunoaranda@gmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> It looks good to me too!
> >>> >>> Bruno
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Hi Ali,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> this looks good to me.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Any other comment ?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> -Matthias
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >>> >>>> > Hi,
> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
> >>> >>>> > Ali
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> > --
> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>> >
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> --
> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Cagatay Civici
> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>
> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

OK,

raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out):

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617

We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits best.
Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)...

-Matthias

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ah,
>
> interesting:
> This is how tomcat does it.
>
> They "group" their tickets:
> http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010
>
> and point to the JIRA entries.
>
>
> Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. After
> done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well
>
> -Matthias
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>>
>> /JK
>>
>>
>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>>>
>>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
>>> wiki txt to our jira.
>>>
>>> -Matthias
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Looks good.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
>>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
>>> > extension.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Jan-Kees
>>> >
>>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>>> >>> Bruno
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Matthias
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>>> > Hi,
>>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> >>>> > Ali
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Cagatay Civici
>>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>



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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

Ah,

interesting:
This is how tomcat does it.

They "group" their tickets:
http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010

and point to the JIRA entries.


Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA ticket. After
done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well

-Matthias

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
<ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)
>
> /JK
>
>
> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>
>> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>>
>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
>> wiki txt to our jira.
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
>> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Looks good.
>> >
>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
>> > extension.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jan-Kees
>> >
>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It looks good to me too!
>> >>> Bruno
>> >>>
>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Ali,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> this looks good to me.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Any other comment ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Matthias
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>> > Hi,
>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> >>>> > Ali
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>>
>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cagatay Civici
>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> >> http://www.primefaces.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
>



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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Jan-Kees van Andel <ja...@gmail.com>]

Yeah, the rest looks very good. :)

/JK


2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>

> that's details, for the actual project ;-)
>
> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
> wiki txt to our jira.
>
> -Matthias
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
> <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Looks good.
> >
> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an
> extension.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jan-Kees
> >
> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It looks good to me too!
> >>> Bruno
> >>>
> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Ali,
> >>>>
> >>>> this looks good to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any other comment ?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Matthias
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>> > Hi,
> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks & Regards,
> >>>> > Ali
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>>
> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cagatay Civici
> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> >> http://www.primefaces.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

that's details, for the actual project ;-)

BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will bring this
wiki txt to our jira.

-Matthias

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel
<ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks good.
>
> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
> hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.
>
> Regards,
> Jan-Kees
>
> 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks good to me too!
>>> Bruno
>>>
>>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ali,
>>>>
>>>> this looks good to me.
>>>>
>>>> Any other comment ?
>>>>
>>>> -Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>>> >
>>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>>> > Ali
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>>
>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cagatay Civici
>> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
>> http://www.primefaces.org
>
>



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Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Jan-Kees van Andel <ja...@gmail.com>]

Looks good.

Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate for the
library, even though there is also an html tag named h5.
hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension.

Regards,
Jan-Kees

2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>

> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> It looks good to me too!
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ali,
>>>
>>> this looks good to me.
>>>
>>> Any other comment ?
>>>
>>> -Matthias
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>>> >
>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks & Regards,
>>> > Ali
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cagatay Civici
> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
> http://www.primefaces.org
>

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Cagatay Civici <ca...@gmail.com>]

Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali!

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks good to me too!
>
> Bruno
>
>
> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ali,
>>
>> this looks good to me.
>>
>> Any other comment ?
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>> >
>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>> >
>> > Thanks & Regards,
>> > Ali
>> >
>> > --
>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
>
>


-- 
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JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC
http://www.primefaces.org

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>]

It looks good to me too!

Bruno

On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Ali,
>
> this looks good to me.
>
> Any other comment ?
>
> -Matthias
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
> >
> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
> >
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Ali
> >
> > --
> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>

Re: [GSOC] HTML5 Proposal

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>]

Hi Ali,

this looks good to me.

Any other comment ?

-Matthias

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've written my GSOC proposal here :
> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5
> Could you review it and provide me some feedback?
>
> After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Ali
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>



-- 
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