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Posted to dev@deltaspike.apache.org by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> on 2013/03/25 22:35:20 UTC
[VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Lords and Ladies.
Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
LieGrue,
strub
---------------
Proposed Board Resolution Report
X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software related to creating a set
of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
for distribution at no charge to the public.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache DeltaSpike Project:
Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
?
pardon, I don't get it ^^
A VOTE ends earliest after 72h and not until the RESULT got posted (which I gonna tally now).
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
>
>I think this vote ended?
>
>
>
>On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>+1
>>
>>
>>LieGrue,
>>strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
>>> Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>>
>>> Lords and Ladies.
>>>
>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator
>>> and establishing it as TLP.
>>>
>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>>>
>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the
>>> VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board
>>> might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>> and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>
>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
?
pardon, I don't get it ^^
A VOTE ends earliest after 72h and not until the RESULT got posted (which I gonna tally now).
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
>
>I think this vote ended?
>
>
>
>On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>+1
>>
>>
>>LieGrue,
>>strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
>>> Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>>
>>> Lords and Ladies.
>>>
>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator
>>> and establishing it as TLP.
>>>
>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>>>
>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the
>>> VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board
>>> might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>> and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>
>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
I think this vote ended?
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> +1
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> > To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <
> deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
> > Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
> Level Project
> >
> > Lords and Ladies.
> >
> > Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator
> > and establishing it as TLP.
> >
> > [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> ${reason}
> >
> > The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the
> > VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board
> > might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> > ---------------
> >
> > Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software related to creating a set
> > of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> > and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > for management of the projects within the scope of
> > responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >
> > Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > Project are hereafter discharged.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
I think this vote ended?
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> +1
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> > To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <
> deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
> > Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
> Level Project
> >
> > Lords and Ladies.
> >
> > Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator
> > and establishing it as TLP.
> >
> > [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> ${reason}
> >
> > The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the
> > VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board
> > might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> > ---------------
> >
> > Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software related to creating a set
> > of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> > and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > for management of the projects within the scope of
> > responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >
> > Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > Project are hereafter discharged.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
+1
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
> Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator
> and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the
> VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board
> might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi Dennis!
The only thing which would be change is that we can drop the -incubator from the version.
But that's it basically. Being a TLP is not the end of the project - it's rather the beginning ;)
0.4 will come, the one way or the other.
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: titou10 <ti...@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> I like a lot Mark's proposal to come back to the initial plan
>
> "v0.4 basic JSF support and basic JPA support, 0.5 even more JSF support
> and JPA support."
>
> My vote:
> -1 for TLP before v0.4
> +1 for TLP after we reach the basic JSF support
> or
> +1 after "basic JSF and JPA" support is clearly
> "architected".
>
> At least IMHO DS should not be promoted to a TLP before v0.4 because we need the
> basic things and the fondation of the JSF module architected/done before that
>
> Now the question is: what do we need to have "basic JSF and basic JPA
> support"?
> - do we have a clear idea of what scopes/tasks/components will be included in
> v0.4 JSF/JPA module? if not wo decide of this?
> - what scope/tasks/compoenents are being developped? finished? need to get some
> work? do we have JIRAs for them? if so, do assignees have resources to work on
> them?
> - are there some "fundation" tasks that has to be done/enhanced to
> achieve the v0.4 goal?
> With this sorted out, it would be easier to split the work IMHO and reach a
> "basic JSF support"
>
> Thx
>
> Denis
>
> Le 2013-03-25 18:38, Alexis Krier a écrit :
>
>> Hello, Romain Manni Bucau came thursday to talk about CDI, Tomee,
> Deltaspike etc.
>> With what I've seen from Deltaspike, I can say this is an awsome idea.
> This could lead to a very powerfull CDI in the futur.
>> 1 year project is so short! Team has to stabilize.
>> Being promoted out of the incubator would probably give to Deltaspike the
> visbility needed to accomplish all this stuff!
>>
>> +1 ;)
>>
>>
>> Le 25/03/2013 22:57, Mark Struberg a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi John!
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>>
>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> committers are all the people who contributed to it in one form
>>> or the other. Means code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2
> people from the CODI Team in DeltaSpike. These are
>>> Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the Seam team or from other
> teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the community
>>> works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there are
> more commits and contributions from the other folks. There
>>> is a pretty stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>>
>>>
>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
> because I was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too.
>>> And we are short before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok.
> (Even if I'd be happier if we would improve our release rate).
>>>
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>> Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache Top Level Project
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but -1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former
> CODI team and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true
>>>> blockers to being a cohesive community. There has been no real
> merger of the two communities to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike
>>>> has failed to "release early and often."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single
> team and work on becoming that single team.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lords and Ladies.
>>>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out
> of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>>>
>>>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll
> because of ${reason}
>>>>>
>>>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally
> and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation.
>>>>> Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the
> upcoming board meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> LieGrue,
>>>>> strub
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>>>
>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>>
>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> Project",
>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>>>> and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike" be
>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> responsibility
>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it
> further
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike, to
>>>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby
> is
>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>>>
>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache
> Incubator
>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by titou10 <ti...@gmail.com>.
I like a lot Mark's proposal to come back to the initial plan
"v0.4 basic JSF support and basic JPA support, 0.5 even more JSF support and JPA support."
My vote:
-1 for TLP before v0.4
+1 for TLP after we reach the basic JSF support
or
+1 after "basic JSF and JPA" support is clearly "architected".
At least IMHO DS should not be promoted to a TLP before v0.4 because we need the basic things and the fondation of the JSF module architected/done before that
Now the question is: what do we need to have "basic JSF and basic JPA support"?
- do we have a clear idea of what scopes/tasks/components will be included in v0.4 JSF/JPA module? if not wo decide of this?
- what scope/tasks/compoenents are being developped? finished? need to get some work? do we have JIRAs for them? if so, do assignees have resources to work on them?
- are there some "fundation" tasks that has to be done/enhanced to achieve the v0.4 goal?
With this sorted out, it would be easier to split the work IMHO and reach a "basic JSF support"
Thx
Denis
Le 2013-03-25 18:38, Alexis Krier a écrit :
> Hello, Romain Manni Bucau came thursday to talk about CDI, Tomee, Deltaspike etc.
> With what I've seen from Deltaspike, I can say this is an awsome idea. This could lead to a very powerfull CDI in the futur.
> 1 year project is so short! Team has to stabilize.
> Being promoted out of the incubator would probably give to Deltaspike the visbility needed to accomplish all this stuff!
>
> +1 ;)
>
>
> Le 25/03/2013 22:57, Mark Struberg a écrit :
>>
>> Hi John!
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>
>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers are all the people who contributed to it in one form
>> or the other. Means code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI Team in DeltaSpike. These are
>> Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the community
>> works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There
>> is a pretty stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>
>>
>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too.
>> And we are short before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier if we would improve our release rate).
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, but -1
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true
>>> blockers to being a cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike
>>> has failed to "release early and often."
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team and work on becoming that single team.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lords and Ladies.
>>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>>
>>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>>>>
>>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation.
>>>> Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------
>>>>
>>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>>> and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>>
>>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Alexis Krier <al...@laposte.net>.
Hello, Romain Manni Bucau came thursday to talk about CDI, Tomee,
Deltaspike etc.
With what I've seen from Deltaspike, I can say this is an awsome idea.
This could lead to a very powerfull CDI in the futur.
1 year project is so short! Team has to stabilize.
Being promoted out of the incubator would probably give to Deltaspike
the visbility needed to accomplish all this stuff!
+1 ;)
Le 25/03/2013 22:57, Mark Struberg a écrit :
>
> Hi John!
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>
> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>
>
> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier if we would improve our release rate).
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but -1
>>
>>
>> In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
>>
>>
>> I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team and work on becoming that single team.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>> Lords and Ladies.
>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>
>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>>>
>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>> and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>
>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>
>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Dennis, all fair points. But please consider that we all (well, most of us) do this in our spare time.
You are also welcome to join the effort and help us moving forward, provide feedback, documentation, samples, code, etc
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: titou10 titou10 <ti...@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> At least @Nicklas, @Esteve and I share almost the same point of view.
> In order:
> 1. have a clear list of things to do to have a basic JSF (ie scopes)
> +JPA+security modules and make them work for DS v0.4
> 2. have a basic documentation for DS v0.4 more from a user/integrator
> point of view than from a DS designer/architect point of view
> 3. have sample apps:
> - one sample app that demonstrate all of the JSF/scopes components,
> with a login page and a basic database model (with derby)
> - one that demonstrate the usaege of DS in J2SE for batchs or unit tests
> 4. find a name: CDILink? Caramel? Glue? Caddie?
> 5. graduate to TLP
> 6. define and publicies what v0.5 will contain: updates in
> JSF+JPA+security+fondation, new modules (cdi-queries, servlet) etc.
>
> WDYT?
>
> 2013/3/26 Nicklas Karlsson <ni...@gmail.com>:
>> +1
>>
>> I guess it's a bit of a "chicken and egg"-thingie (taking off
> as a project
>> and building community). The current team is talented and I don't doubt
> it
>> will thrive and become the "de facto" extension framework for
> CDI, however
>> for the project to really take off it would help if
>>
>> * The documentation covered everything that can be done (even brief is
>> better that nothing)
>> * A clear roadmap (e.g the focus for 0.5 will be JSF and will cover the
>> following JIRAs, the estimate release window is xx.xx)
>> * Tutoring/orchestration for the team (some overview on who could do what,
>> make sure stuff integrates well)
>> * A catchy name ;-) I'm not sure if the name is on the table but
> I'm not
>> overly fond of the current name. Perhaps something more "snappy"
> in the
>> lines of Snap, Crackle, Pop, Chew, Bite. OK, not those but you get the
>> point...
>>
>> And I do appreciate the fact that this is a volunteer-project and people
>> have limited hours.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:34 AM, John D. Ament
> <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to
> blossom yet.
>>> Maybe another month or two :-)
>>>
>>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved
> yet per the
>>> documentation on incubator.a.o
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>>>
>>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>>>
>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>>> has
>>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>>>
>>> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I
> don't
>>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers
> I see on
>>> the list that were not on
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now
> have
>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>>>
>>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
> graduate
>>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>>>
>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following
> majority, per
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we
> need
>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi John!
>>> >
>>> > I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>> >
>>> > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
>>> committers
>>> > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other.
> Means
>>> > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from
> the CODI
>>> > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from
> either the
>>> > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
> opinion
>>> the
>>> > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy
> if
>>> there
>>> > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is
> a
>>> pretty
>>> > stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
> because
>>> I
>>> > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are
> short
>>> > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if
> I'd be happier
>>> > if we would improve our release rate).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > LieGrue,
>>> > strub
>>> >
>>> > >________________________________
>>> > > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> > >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>>> > struberg@yahoo.de>
>>> > >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>> > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to
> an Apache
>>> > Top Level Project
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >Sorry, but -1
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the
> former CODI
>>> team
>>> > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
> being a
>>> > cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
> communities
>>> > to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early
> and often."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a
> single team
>>> > and work on becoming that single team.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >John
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >Lords and Ladies.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating
> DeltaSpike out of the
>>> > Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>> > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>> > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll
> because of
>>> > ${reason}
>>> > >>
>>> > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna
> tally and
>>> forward
>>> > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this
> is done,
>>> > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>LieGrue,
>>> > >>strub
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>---------------
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>> > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>> > >>
>>> > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> > >>open-source software related to creating a set
>>> > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>> > >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache
> DeltaSpike Project",
>>> > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> > >>Foundation; and be it further
>>> > >>
>>> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is
>>> > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of
> open-source
>>> > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI
> Extensions;
>>> > >>and be it further
>>> > >>
>>> > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike" be
>>> > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the
> chair
>>> > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> responsibility
>>> > >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it
> further
>>> > >>
>>> > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of
> the
>>> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>> > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>> > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>> > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>> > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>> > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>> > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>> > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>> > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>> > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>> > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>> > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>> > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>> > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>> > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>> > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>> > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike, to
>>> > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of
> the
>>> > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification,
>>> > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>> > >>
>>> > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and
> hereby is
>>> > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>> > >>encourage open development and increased participation in
> the
>>> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>> > >>
>>> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>> > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the
> Apache
>>> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>> > >>
>>> > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the
> Apache
>>> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache
> Incubator
>>> > >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nicklas Karlsson, +358 40 5062266
>> Vaakunatie 10 as 7, 20780 Kaarina
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by titou10 titou10 <ti...@gmail.com>.
At least @Nicklas, @Esteve and I share almost the same point of view.
In order:
1. have a clear list of things to do to have a basic JSF (ie scopes)
+JPA+security modules and make them work for DS v0.4
2. have a basic documentation for DS v0.4 more from a user/integrator
point of view than from a DS designer/architect point of view
3. have sample apps:
- one sample app that demonstrate all of the JSF/scopes components,
with a login page and a basic database model (with derby)
- one that demonstrate the usaege of DS in J2SE for batchs or unit tests
4. find a name: CDILink? Caramel? Glue? Caddie?
5. graduate to TLP
6. define and publicies what v0.5 will contain: updates in
JSF+JPA+security+fondation, new modules (cdi-queries, servlet) etc.
WDYT?
2013/3/26 Nicklas Karlsson <ni...@gmail.com>:
> +1
>
> I guess it's a bit of a "chicken and egg"-thingie (taking off as a project
> and building community). The current team is talented and I don't doubt it
> will thrive and become the "de facto" extension framework for CDI, however
> for the project to really take off it would help if
>
> * The documentation covered everything that can be done (even brief is
> better that nothing)
> * A clear roadmap (e.g the focus for 0.5 will be JSF and will cover the
> following JIRAs, the estimate release window is xx.xx)
> * Tutoring/orchestration for the team (some overview on who could do what,
> make sure stuff integrates well)
> * A catchy name ;-) I'm not sure if the name is on the table but I'm not
> overly fond of the current name. Perhaps something more "snappy" in the
> lines of Snap, Crackle, Pop, Chew, Bite. OK, not those but you get the
> point...
>
> And I do appreciate the fact that this is a volunteer-project and people
> have limited hours.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:34 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
>> Maybe another month or two :-)
>>
>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
>> documentation on incubator.a.o
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>>
>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>> has
>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>>
>> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
>> the list that were not on
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>>
>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>>
>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi John!
>> >
>> > I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>> >
>> > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
>> committers
>> > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
>> > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
>> > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
>> > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion
>> the
>> > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
>> there
>> > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
>> pretty
>> > stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>> >
>> >
>> > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because
>> I
>> > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>> > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
>> > if we would improve our release rate).
>> >
>> >
>> > LieGrue,
>> > strub
>> >
>> > >________________________________
>> > > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> > >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>> > struberg@yahoo.de>
>> > >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>> > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>> > Top Level Project
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Sorry, but -1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
>> team
>> > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
>> > cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
>> > to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
>> > and work on becoming that single team.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >John
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >Lords and Ladies.
>> > >>
>> > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
>> > Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>> > >>
>> > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
>> > ${reason}
>> > >>
>> > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>> forward
>> > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>> > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>> > >>
>> > >>LieGrue,
>> > >>strub
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>---------------
>> > >>
>> > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>> > >>
>> > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> > >>open-source software related to creating a set
>> > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> > >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>> > >>
>> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>> > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> > >>Foundation; and be it further
>> > >>
>> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> > >>and be it further
>> > >>
>> > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>> > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> > >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>> > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> > >>
>> > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>> > >>
>> > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>> > >>
>> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>> > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> > >>
>> > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>> > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> > >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> > >>
>> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>> > >>
>> > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> > >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nicklas Karlsson, +358 40 5062266
> Vaakunatie 10 as 7, 20780 Kaarina
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Nicklas Karlsson <ni...@gmail.com>.
+1
I guess it's a bit of a "chicken and egg"-thingie (taking off as a project
and building community). The current team is talented and I don't doubt it
will thrive and become the "de facto" extension framework for CDI, however
for the project to really take off it would help if
* The documentation covered everything that can be done (even brief is
better that nothing)
* A clear roadmap (e.g the focus for 0.5 will be JSF and will cover the
following JIRAs, the estimate release window is xx.xx)
* Tutoring/orchestration for the team (some overview on who could do what,
make sure stuff integrates well)
* A catchy name ;-) I'm not sure if the name is on the table but I'm not
overly fond of the current name. Perhaps something more "snappy" in the
lines of Snap, Crackle, Pop, Chew, Bite. OK, not those but you get the
point...
And I do appreciate the fact that this is a volunteer-project and people
have limited hours.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:34 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Mark,
>
> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
> Maybe another month or two :-)
>
> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
> documentation on incubator.a.o
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>
> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> has
> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>
> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
> the list that were not on
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>
> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>
> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>
> John
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi John!
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> >
> > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> committers
> > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
> > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
> > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
> > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion
> the
> > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
> there
> > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
> pretty
> > stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> >
> >
> > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because
> I
> > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
> > if we would improve our release rate).
> >
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> > struberg@yahoo.de>
> > >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> > Top Level Project
> > >
> > >
> > >Sorry, but -1
> > >
> > >
> > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
> team
> > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
> > cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
> > to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
> > >
> > >
> > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
> > and work on becoming that single team.
> > >
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >Lords and Ladies.
> > >>
> > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> > Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> > >>
> > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> > ${reason}
> > >>
> > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> forward
> > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> > >>
> > >>LieGrue,
> > >>strub
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>---------------
> > >>
> > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> > >>
> > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > >>open-source software related to creating a set
> > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> > >>
> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > >>Foundation; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> > >>and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> > >>
> > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> > >>
> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Nicklas Karlsson, +358 40 5062266
Vaakunatie 10 as 7, 20780 Kaarina
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
whoopy, why do I always forget sending my own +1 :)
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> To: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>; deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> BTW, we still don't have a +1 from any of the mentors. :-)
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, John D. Ament
> <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and
> enter
>> it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
>>
>>> To come back to your fair points:
>>>
>>> I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few
> of
>>> your points:
>>>
>>> * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike
> is
>>> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as
> well.
>>> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year
> nobody
>>> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a
> better
>>> name.
>>>
>>> * committers
>>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> shrank?)
>>> This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very
>>> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the
> mailing
>>> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a
> few
>>> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit -
> and
>>> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up
> cannot
>>> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
>>> future contributions from each and everyone!
>>> Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
>>> substantial contributions!
>>>
>>> The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
>>> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following
> majority, per
>>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't
> believe we need
>>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>>
>>> Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public
> because
>>> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do
> better.
>>>
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure
>>> you force a page refresh)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> > To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark
> Struberg <
>>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>>> > Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
>>> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache
>>> Top Level Project
>>> >
>>> > Mark,
>>> >
>>> > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to
> blossom yet.
>>> > Maybe another month or two :-)
>>> >
>>> > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've
> resolved yet per the
>>> > documentation on incubator.a.o
>>> >
>>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>>> >
>>> > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>>> >
>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>>> > has
>>> > no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote
> thread to
>>> > general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>>> >
>>> > However, most of my comments are around this section of
> graduation:
>>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I
> don't
>>> > believe we've done this too well. There are only three
> developers I
>>> see on
>>> > the list that were not on
>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we
> now
>>> have
>>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> shrank?)
>>> >
>>> > Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
>>> graduate
>>> > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>>> >
>>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following
> majority, per
>>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't
> believe we need
>>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>> >
>>> > John
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi John!
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>> >>
>>> >> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of
> initial
>>> committers
>>> >> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the
> other.
>>> Means
>>> >> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people
> from the
>>> CODI
>>> >> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is
> from either
>>> the
>>> >> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In
> my
>>> opinion the
>>> >> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be
> happy if
>>> there
>>> >> are more commits and contributions from the other folks.
> There is a
>>> pretty
>>> >> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a
> break
>>> because I
>>> >> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we
> are short
>>> >> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even
> if I'd be
>>> > happier
>>> >> if we would improve our release rate).
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> LieGrue,
>>> >> strub
>>> >>
>>> >> >________________________________
>>> >> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg
> <
>>> >> struberg@yahoo.de>
>>> >> >Cc: deltaspike
> <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> >> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>> >> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for
> Graduation to an
>>> Apache
>>> >> Top Level Project
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Sorry, but -1
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the
> former CODI
>>> > team
>>> >> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true
> blockers to
>>> being a
>>> >> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
>>> communities
>>> >> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release
> early and
>>> > often."
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become
> a single
>>> team
>>> >> and work on becoming that single team.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >John
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
>>> > <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Lords and Ladies.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating
> DeltaSpike out of
>>> > the
>>> >> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>> >> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>> >> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and
> re-roll because
>>> > of
>>> >> ${reason}
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we
> gonna tally and
>>> > forward
>>> >> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once
> this is
>>> done,
>>> >> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board
> meeting.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>LieGrue,
>>> >> >>strub
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>---------------
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>> >> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the
> best
>>> >> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> >> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project
> Management
>>> >> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of
>>> >> >>open-source software related to creating a set
>>> >> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>> >> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project
> Management
>>> >> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache
> DeltaSpike
>>> > Project",
>>> >> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of
> the
>>> >> >>Foundation; and be it further
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and
> hereby is
>>> >> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of
> open-source
>>> >> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI
> Extensions;
>>> >> >>and be it further
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President,
> Apache
>>> > DeltaSpike" be
>>> >> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office
> to
>>> >> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as
> the chair
>>> >> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
>>> > responsibility
>>> >> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> >> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and
> be it further
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below
> be and
>>> >> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members
> of the
>>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>> >> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>> >> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>> >> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>> >> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>> >> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>> >> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>> >> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>> >> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>> >> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>> >> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark
> Struberg
>>> >> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike, to
>>> >> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction
> of the
>>> >> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation
> until
>>> >> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification,
>>> >> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be
> and hereby is
>>> >> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended
> to
>>> >> >>encourage open development and increased
> participation in the
>>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and
> hereby
>>> >> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of
> the Apache
>>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the
> Apache
>>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the
> Apache Incubator
>>> >> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
BTW, we still don't have a +1 from any of the mentors. :-)
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Mark,
>
> For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and enter
> it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> To come back to your fair points:
>>
>> I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of
>> your points:
>>
>> * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is
>> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well.
>> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody
>> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better
>> name.
>>
>> * committers
>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>> This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very
>> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing
>> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few
>> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and
>> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot
>> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
>> future contributions from each and everyone!
>> Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
>> substantial contributions!
>>
>> The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
>> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>
>> Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because
>> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure
>> you force a page refresh)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> > To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> > Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
>> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>> Top Level Project
>> >
>> > Mark,
>> >
>> > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
>> > Maybe another month or two :-)
>> >
>> > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
>> > documentation on incubator.a.o
>> >
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>> >
>> > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>> >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>> > has
>> > no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>> > general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>> >
>> > However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
>> > believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I
>> see on
>> > the list that were not on
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now
>> have
>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>> >
>> > Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
>> graduate
>> > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>> >
>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi John!
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>> >>
>> >> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
>> committers
>> >> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other.
>> Means
>> >> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the
>> CODI
>> >> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either
>> the
>> >> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
>> opinion the
>> >> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
>> there
>> >> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
>> pretty
>> >> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
>> because I
>> >> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>> >> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
>> > happier
>> >> if we would improve our release rate).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> LieGrue,
>> >> strub
>> >>
>> >> >________________________________
>> >> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> >> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>> >> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>> >> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
>> Apache
>> >> Top Level Project
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Sorry, but -1
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
>> > team
>> >> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
>> being a
>> >> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
>> communities
>> >> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
>> > often."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single
>> team
>> >> and work on becoming that single team.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >John
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
>> > <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Lords and Ladies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
>> > the
>> >> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> >> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> >> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
>> > of
>> >> ${reason}
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>> > forward
>> >> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is
>> done,
>> >> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>LieGrue,
>> >> >>strub
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>---------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> >> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>> >> >>
>> >> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> >> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> >> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> >> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> >> >>open-source software related to creating a set
>> >> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> >> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> >> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
>> > Project",
>> >> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> >> >>Foundation; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> >> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> >> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> >> >>and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
>> > DeltaSpike" be
>> >> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> >> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> >> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
>> > responsibility
>> >> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>> >> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> >> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> >> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> >> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> >> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> >> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> >> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> >> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> >> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> >> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> >> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> >> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> >> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>> >> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> >> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> >> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> >> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>> >> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> >> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> >> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> >> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
I don't think anyone's proposing a name change right now.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Jason Porter <li...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I think I already gave my +1, if not, here it is.
>
> WRT the name. I'm worried about changing names now. Originally DeltaSpike
> was going to be a temporary name and I think when we proposed DeltaSpike we
> were anticipating being out of Incubation much sooner than now. As it
> currently stands there have been many talks about DeltaSpike, it's in
> stackoverflow, it ranks fairly high in Google, people know what it is and
> understand it. If we switch names now I'm worried we'll confuse people
> again. Plus we'll have to work on building up all the SEO all over again.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:50 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Well, if that's the case it'll hopefully get rubber stamped.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yea, seems this got changed only last week:
> > > http://markmail.org/thread/vlzrdbewhfjbw3ca
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, it doesn't hurt, and it's a good thing for the checklist for
> > podling
> > > prjoects in general. But I'm not sure if it's necessary in our case.
> > Before
> > > we started incubation, Shane (VP trademarks) and Jim (ASF president)
> were
> > > involved in the name search, amongst others :)
> > >
> > > LieGrue,
> > > strub
> > >
> > >
> > > >________________________________
> > > > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > > >To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> > > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de
> > >
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:16 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache
> > > Top Level Project
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I'm not sure that's the case (or maybe its just opinion?)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Per this: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Who needs this process?
> > > >...
> > > >Every Incubator Podling which wants to graduate from the Incubator and
> > > become either a top level project or a sub project
> > > >...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>PoddlingNameSearch is really an optional process which is only needed
> > if
> > > the poddling itself isn't aware of all the pitfalls with choosing a
> name.
> > > >>Many people involved in finding the current name (ShaneC, ShaneB,
> Jim,
> > > Pete, Jason, Gerhard, David, me, etc .. even some of the JBoss' own
> legal
> > > team) are well aware of the trademark implications we needed to take
> care
> > > of.
> > > >>
> > > >>Finding a halfways ok name was the main reason it took us almost 3
> > > months from the first talks until the final incubation attempt. I
> > remember
> > > it took us approx. 30 naming suggestions and a long time of review
> before
> > > we finally came up with the name 'DeltaSpike' as compromise ;)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>LieGrue,
> > > >>strub
> > > >>
> > > >>>________________________________
> > > >>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> > > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de
> > >
> > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:31 AM
> > > >>
> > > >>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> > Apache
> > > Top Level Project
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Mark,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and
> > > enter it. I don't think this process existed when we entered
> incubation.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>John
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>To come back to your fair points:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few
> > of
> > > your points:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike
> > is
> > > still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as
> well.
> > > So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year
> nobody
> > > came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a
> > better
> > > name.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>* committers
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> > > shrank?)
> > > >>>>This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been
> > > very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the
> > > mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to
> > get a
> > > few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit -
> and
> > > obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up
> cannot
> > > make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
> > > future contributions from each and everyone!
> > > >>>>Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
> > > substantial contributions!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>The real question is the number of people who are active on a more
> or
> > > less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority,
> > per
> > > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe
> we
> > > need
> > > >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public
> because
> > > there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do
> better.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>LieGrue,
> > > >>>>strub
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make
> > sure
> > > you force a page refresh)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark
> > Struberg
> > > <st...@yahoo.de>
> > > >>>>> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> > > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
> > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> > > Apache Top Level Project
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Mark,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom
> > > yet.
> > > >>>>> Maybe another month or two :-)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet
> > per
> > > the
> > > >>>>> documentation on incubator.a.o
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> > > >>>>>
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> > > >>>>> has
> > > >>>>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote
> > thread
> > > to
> > > >>>>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> However, most of my comments are around this section of
> graduation:
> > > >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I
> > > don't
> > > >>>>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three
> developers
> > I
> > > see on
> > > >>>>> the list that were not on
> > > >>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we
> > > now have
> > > >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> > > shrank?)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
> > > graduate
> > > >>>>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority,
> > per
> > > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe
> we
> > > need
> > > >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> John
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi John!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> > > committers
> > > >>>>>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the
> > other.
> > > Means
> > > >>>>>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from
> > > the CODI
> > > >>>>>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from
> > > either the
> > > >>>>>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
> > > opinion the
> > > >>>>>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be
> happy
> > > if there
> > > >>>>>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There
> is
> > > a pretty
> > > >>>>>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a
> break
> > > because I
> > > >>>>>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are
> > > short
> > > >>>>>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd
> be
> > > >>>>> happier
> > > >>>>>> if we would improve our release rate).
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> LieGrue,
> > > >>>>>> strub
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> >________________________________
> > > >>>>>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> > > >>>>>> struberg@yahoo.de>
> > > >>>>>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> > > >>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> > > >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to
> an
> > > Apache
> > > >>>>>> Top Level Project
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >Sorry, but -1
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the
> former
> > > CODI
> > > >>>>> team
> > > >>>>>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers
> to
> > > being a
> > > >>>>>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
> > > communities
> > > >>>>>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early
> and
> > > >>>>> often."
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a
> > > single team
> > > >>>>>> and work on becoming that single team.
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >John
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> > > >>>>> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >Lords and Ladies.
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike
> out
> > > of
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > > >>>>>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > > >>>>>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll
> because
> > > >>>>> of
> > > >>>>>> ${reason}
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally
> > and
> > > >>>>> forward
> > > >>>>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once
> this
> > > is done,
> > > >>>>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board
> meeting.
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>LieGrue,
> > > >>>>>> >>strub
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>---------------
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > > >>>>>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > > >>>>>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > > >>>>>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > > >>>>>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > > >>>>>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> > > >>>>>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > > >>>>>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > > >>>>>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> > > >>>>> Project",
> > > >>>>>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > > >>>>>> >>Foundation; and be it further
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > > >>>>>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > > >>>>>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI
> Extensions;
> > > >>>>>> >>and be it further
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> > > >>>>> DeltaSpike" be
> > > >>>>>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > > >>>>>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > > >>>>>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> > > >>>>> responsibility
> > > >>>>>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> > > >>>>>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it
> > > further
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > > >>>>>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > > >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > > >>>>>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > > >>>>>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > > >>>>>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > > >>>>>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > > >>>>>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > > >>>>>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > > >>>>>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > > >>>>>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > > >>>>>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > > >>>>>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > > >>>>>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache
> > DeltaSpike,
> > > to
> > > >>>>>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > > >>>>>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > > >>>>>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > > >>>>>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and
> hereby
> > is
> > > >>>>>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > > >>>>>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > > >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > > >>>>>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the
> Apache
> > > >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > > >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache
> > Incubator
> > > >>>>>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>>
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> > > >>>>>> >>
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jason Porter
> http://en.gravatar.com/lightguardjp
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Jason Porter <li...@gmail.com>.
I think I already gave my +1, if not, here it is.
WRT the name. I'm worried about changing names now. Originally DeltaSpike
was going to be a temporary name and I think when we proposed DeltaSpike we
were anticipating being out of Incubation much sooner than now. As it
currently stands there have been many talks about DeltaSpike, it's in
stackoverflow, it ranks fairly high in Google, people know what it is and
understand it. If we switch names now I'm worried we'll confuse people
again. Plus we'll have to work on building up all the SEO all over again.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:50 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Well, if that's the case it'll hopefully get rubber stamped.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yea, seems this got changed only last week:
> > http://markmail.org/thread/vlzrdbewhfjbw3ca
> >
> >
> > Well, it doesn't hurt, and it's a good thing for the checklist for
> podling
> > prjoects in general. But I'm not sure if it's necessary in our case.
> Before
> > we started incubation, Shane (VP trademarks) and Jim (ASF president) were
> > involved in the name search, amongst others :)
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de
> >
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:16 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> > Top Level Project
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm not sure that's the case (or maybe its just opinion?)
> > >
> > >
> > >Per this: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
> > >
> > >
> > >Who needs this process?
> > >...
> > >Every Incubator Podling which wants to graduate from the Incubator and
> > become either a top level project or a sub project
> > >...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>PoddlingNameSearch is really an optional process which is only needed
> if
> > the poddling itself isn't aware of all the pitfalls with choosing a name.
> > >>Many people involved in finding the current name (ShaneC, ShaneB, Jim,
> > Pete, Jason, Gerhard, David, me, etc .. even some of the JBoss' own legal
> > team) are well aware of the trademark implications we needed to take care
> > of.
> > >>
> > >>Finding a halfways ok name was the main reason it took us almost 3
> > months from the first talks until the final incubation attempt. I
> remember
> > it took us approx. 30 naming suggestions and a long time of review before
> > we finally came up with the name 'DeltaSpike' as compromise ;)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>LieGrue,
> > >>strub
> > >>
> > >>>________________________________
> > >>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >>>To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de
> >
> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:31 AM
> > >>
> > >>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache
> > Top Level Project
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Mark,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and
> > enter it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>John
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>To come back to your fair points:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few
> of
> > your points:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike
> is
> > still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well.
> > So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody
> > came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a
> better
> > name.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>* committers
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> > shrank?)
> > >>>>This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been
> > very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the
> > mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to
> get a
> > few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and
> > obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot
> > make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
> > future contributions from each and everyone!
> > >>>>Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
> > substantial contributions!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
> > less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority,
> per
> > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we
> > need
> > >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because
> > there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>LieGrue,
> > >>>>strub
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make
> sure
> > you force a page refresh)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark
> Struberg
> > <st...@yahoo.de>
> > >>>>> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> > Apache Top Level Project
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Mark,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom
> > yet.
> > >>>>> Maybe another month or two :-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet
> per
> > the
> > >>>>> documentation on incubator.a.o
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> > >>>>>
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> > >>>>> has
> > >>>>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote
> thread
> > to
> > >>>>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> > >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I
> > don't
> > >>>>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers
> I
> > see on
> > >>>>> the list that were not on
> > >>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we
> > now have
> > >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> > shrank?)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
> > graduate
> > >>>>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority,
> per
> > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we
> > need
> > >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> John
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi John!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> > committers
> > >>>>>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the
> other.
> > Means
> > >>>>>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from
> > the CODI
> > >>>>>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from
> > either the
> > >>>>>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
> > opinion the
> > >>>>>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy
> > if there
> > >>>>>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is
> > a pretty
> > >>>>>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
> > because I
> > >>>>>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are
> > short
> > >>>>>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
> > >>>>> happier
> > >>>>>> if we would improve our release rate).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> LieGrue,
> > >>>>>> strub
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> >________________________________
> > >>>>>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> > >>>>>> struberg@yahoo.de>
> > >>>>>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> > >>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> > >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> > Apache
> > >>>>>> Top Level Project
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >Sorry, but -1
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former
> > CODI
> > >>>>> team
> > >>>>>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
> > being a
> > >>>>>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
> > communities
> > >>>>>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
> > >>>>> often."
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a
> > single team
> > >>>>>> and work on becoming that single team.
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >John
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> > >>>>> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >Lords and Ladies.
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out
> > of
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > >>>>>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > >>>>>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>>> ${reason}
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally
> and
> > >>>>> forward
> > >>>>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this
> > is done,
> > >>>>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>LieGrue,
> > >>>>>> >>strub
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>---------------
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > >>>>>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > >>>>>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > >>>>>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > >>>>>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > >>>>>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> > >>>>>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > >>>>>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > >>>>>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> > >>>>> Project",
> > >>>>>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > >>>>>> >>Foundation; and be it further
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > >>>>>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > >>>>>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> > >>>>>> >>and be it further
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> > >>>>> DeltaSpike" be
> > >>>>>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > >>>>>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > >>>>>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> > >>>>> responsibility
> > >>>>>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> > >>>>>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it
> > further
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > >>>>>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > >>>>>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > >>>>>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > >>>>>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > >>>>>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > >>>>>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > >>>>>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > >>>>>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > >>>>>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > >>>>>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > >>>>>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > >>>>>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike,
> > to
> > >>>>>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > >>>>>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > >>>>>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > >>>>>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby
> is
> > >>>>>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > >>>>>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > >>>>>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache
> Incubator
> > >>>>>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Jason Porter
http://en.gravatar.com/lightguardjp
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Well, if that's the case it'll hopefully get rubber stamped.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>
> Yea, seems this got changed only last week:
> http://markmail.org/thread/vlzrdbewhfjbw3ca
>
>
> Well, it doesn't hurt, and it's a good thing for the checklist for podling
> prjoects in general. But I'm not sure if it's necessary in our case. Before
> we started incubation, Shane (VP trademarks) and Jim (ASF president) were
> involved in the name search, amongst others :)
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:16 PM
> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >
> >
> >I'm not sure that's the case (or maybe its just opinion?)
> >
> >
> >Per this: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
> >
> >
> >Who needs this process?
> >...
> >Every Incubator Podling which wants to graduate from the Incubator and
> become either a top level project or a sub project
> >...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>PoddlingNameSearch is really an optional process which is only needed if
> the poddling itself isn't aware of all the pitfalls with choosing a name.
> >>Many people involved in finding the current name (ShaneC, ShaneB, Jim,
> Pete, Jason, Gerhard, David, me, etc .. even some of the JBoss' own legal
> team) are well aware of the trademark implications we needed to take care
> of.
> >>
> >>Finding a halfways ok name was the main reason it took us almost 3
> months from the first talks until the final incubation attempt. I remember
> it took us approx. 30 naming suggestions and a long time of review before
> we finally came up with the name 'DeltaSpike' as compromise ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>LieGrue,
> >>strub
> >>
> >>>________________________________
> >>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >>>To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:31 AM
> >>
> >>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Mark,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and
> enter it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>To come back to your fair points:
> >>>>
> >>>>I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of
> your points:
> >>>>
> >>>>* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is
> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well.
> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody
> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better
> name.
> >>>>
> >>>>* committers
> >>>>
> >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> shrank?)
> >>>>This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been
> very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the
> mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a
> few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and
> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot
> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
> future contributions from each and everyone!
> >>>>Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
> substantial contributions!
> >>>>
> >>>>The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we
> need
> >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because
> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>LieGrue,
> >>>>strub
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure
> you force a page refresh)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>>> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache Top Level Project
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom
> yet.
> >>>>> Maybe another month or two :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per
> the
> >>>>> documentation on incubator.a.o
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> >>>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> >>>>> has
> >>>>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread
> to
> >>>>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I
> don't
> >>>>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I
> see on
> >>>>> the list that were not on
> >>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we
> now have
> >>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we
> shrank?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
> graduate
> >>>>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> >>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we
> need
> >>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi John!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> committers
> >>>>>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other.
> Means
> >>>>>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from
> the CODI
> >>>>>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from
> either the
> >>>>>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
> opinion the
> >>>>>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy
> if there
> >>>>>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is
> a pretty
> >>>>>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
> because I
> >>>>>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are
> short
> >>>>>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
> >>>>> happier
> >>>>>> if we would improve our release rate).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LieGrue,
> >>>>>> strub
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> >>>>>> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>>>>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> >>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache
> >>>>>> Top Level Project
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >Sorry, but -1
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former
> CODI
> >>>>> team
> >>>>>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
> being a
> >>>>>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
> communities
> >>>>>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
> >>>>> often."
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a
> single team
> >>>>>> and work on becoming that single team.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >John
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> >>>>> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >Lords and Ladies.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out
> of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> >>>>>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> >>>>>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>> ${reason}
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> >>>>> forward
> >>>>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this
> is done,
> >>>>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>LieGrue,
> >>>>>> >>strub
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>---------------
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> >>>>>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>>>>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>>>>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>>>>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>>>>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> >>>>>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> >>>>>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>>>>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> >>>>> Project",
> >>>>>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>>>>> >>Foundation; and be it further
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> >>>>>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> >>>>>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> >>>>>> >>and be it further
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> >>>>> DeltaSpike" be
> >>>>>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>>>>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>>>>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> >>>>> responsibility
> >>>>>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> >>>>>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it
> further
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>>>>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> >>>>>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> >>>>>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> >>>>>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> >>>>>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> >>>>>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike,
> to
> >>>>>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >>>>>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >>>>>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >>>>>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> >>>>>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >>>>>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> >>>>>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >>>>>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Yea, seems this got changed only last week: http://markmail.org/thread/vlzrdbewhfjbw3ca
Well, it doesn't hurt, and it's a good thing for the checklist for podling prjoects in general. But I'm not sure if it's necessary in our case. Before we started incubation, Shane (VP trademarks) and Jim (ASF president) were involved in the name search, amongst others :)
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
>
>I'm not sure that's the case (or maybe its just opinion?)
>
>
>Per this: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
>
>
>Who needs this process?
>...
>Every Incubator Podling which wants to graduate from the Incubator and become either a top level project or a sub project
>...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>PoddlingNameSearch is really an optional process which is only needed if the poddling itself isn't aware of all the pitfalls with choosing a name.
>>Many people involved in finding the current name (ShaneC, ShaneB, Jim, Pete, Jason, Gerhard, David, me, etc .. even some of the JBoss' own legal team) are well aware of the trademark implications we needed to take care of.
>>
>>Finding a halfways ok name was the main reason it took us almost 3 months from the first talks until the final incubation attempt. I remember it took us approx. 30 naming suggestions and a long time of review before we finally came up with the name 'DeltaSpike' as compromise ;)
>>
>>
>>LieGrue,
>>strub
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>>To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:31 AM
>>
>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>>
>>>
>>>Mark,
>>>
>>>
>>>For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and enter it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
>>>
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>To come back to your fair points:
>>>>
>>>>I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of your points:
>>>>
>>>>* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well. So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better name.
>>>>
>>>>* committers
>>>>
>>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>>>>This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about future contributions from each and everyone!
>>>>Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added substantial contributions!
>>>>
>>>>The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LieGrue,
>>>>strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure you force a page refresh)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>>> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
>>>>> Maybe another month or two :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
>>>>> documentation on incubator.a.o
>>>>>
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>>>>>
>>>>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>>>>> has
>>>>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>>>>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
>>>>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
>>>>> the list that were not on
>>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
>>>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
>>>>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>>>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
>>>>>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
>>>>>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
>>>>>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
>>>>>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
>>>>>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
>>>>>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
>>>>>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
>>>>>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>>>>>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
>>>>> happier
>>>>>> if we would improve our release rate).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LieGrue,
>>>>>> strub
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >________________________________
>>>>>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>>>>>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>>>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>>>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>>>>>> Top Level Project
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Sorry, but -1
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
>>>>> team
>>>>>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
>>>>>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
>>>>>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
>>>>> often."
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
>>>>>> and work on becoming that single team.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >John
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
>>>>> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Lords and Ladies.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>>>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>>>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
>>>>> of
>>>>>> ${reason}
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>>>>> forward
>>>>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>>>>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>LieGrue,
>>>>>> >>strub
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>---------------
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>>>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>>>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>>>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>>>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>>>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
>>>>>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>>>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
>>>>> Project",
>>>>>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>>>> >>Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>>>>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>>>>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>>>>> >>and be it further
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
>>>>> DeltaSpike" be
>>>>>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>>>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>>>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>>>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>>>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>>>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>>>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>>>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>>>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>>>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>>>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>>>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>>>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>>>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>>>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>>>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>>>>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>>>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>>>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>>>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>>>>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>>>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>>>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>>>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
I'm not sure that's the case (or maybe its just opinion?)
Per this: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html
Who needs this process?
...
*Every Incubator Podling which wants to graduate from the Incubator* and
become either a top level project or a sub project
...
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>
> PoddlingNameSearch is really an optional process which is only needed if
> the poddling itself isn't aware of all the pitfalls with choosing a name.
> Many people involved in finding the current name (ShaneC, ShaneB, Jim,
> Pete, Jason, Gerhard, David, me, etc .. even some of the JBoss' own legal
> team) are well aware of the trademark implications we needed to take care
> of.
>
> Finding a halfways ok name was the main reason it took us almost 3 months
> from the first talks until the final incubation attempt. I remember it took
> us approx. 30 naming suggestions and a long time of review before we
> finally came up with the name 'DeltaSpike' as compromise ;)
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> >________________________________
> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:31 AM
> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >
> >For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and enter
> it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
> >
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> >To come back to your fair points:
> >>
> >>I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of
> your points:
> >>
> >>* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is
> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well.
> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody
> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better
> name.
> >>
> >>* committers
> >>
> >>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
> >>This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very
> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing
> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few
> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and
> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot
> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
> future contributions from each and everyone!
> >>Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
> substantial contributions!
> >>
> >>The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we
> need
> >>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> >>
> >>Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because
> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
> >>
> >>
> >>LieGrue,
> >>strub
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure
> you force a page refresh)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache Top Level Project
> >>>
> >>> Mark,
> >>>
> >>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
> >>> Maybe another month or two :-)
> >>>
> >>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per
> the
> >>> documentation on incubator.a.o
> >>>
> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
> >>>
> >>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> >>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> >>> has
> >>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
> >>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
> >>>
> >>> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
> >>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I
> see on
> >>> the list that were not on
> >>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now
> have
> >>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
> >>>
> >>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
> graduate
> >>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
> >>>
> >>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we
> need
> >>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi John!
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> >>>>
> >>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> committers
> >>>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other.
> Means
> >>>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the
> CODI
> >>>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from
> either the
> >>>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
> opinion the
> >>>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
> there
> >>>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
> pretty
> >>>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
> because I
> >>>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> >>>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
> >>> happier
> >>>> if we would improve our release rate).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> LieGrue,
> >>>> strub
> >>>>
> >>>> >________________________________
> >>>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> >>>> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >>>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> >>>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> >>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache
> >>>> Top Level Project
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Sorry, but -1
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
> >>> team
> >>>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
> being a
> >>>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
> communities
> >>>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
> >>> often."
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single
> team
> >>>> and work on becoming that single team.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >John
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> >>> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Lords and Ladies.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
> >>> the
> >>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> >>>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> >>>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
> >>> of
> >>>> ${reason}
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> >>> forward
> >>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is
> done,
> >>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>LieGrue,
> >>>> >>strub
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>---------------
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> >>>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> >>>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> >>>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> >>> Project",
> >>>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>>> >>Foundation; and be it further
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> >>>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> >>>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> >>>> >>and be it further
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> >>> DeltaSpike" be
> >>>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> >>> responsibility
> >>>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> >>>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> >>>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> >>>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> >>>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> >>>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> >>>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> >>>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> >>>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> >>>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> >>>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> >>>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> >>>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> >>>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >>>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >>>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >>>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> >>>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >>>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> >>>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >>>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
PoddlingNameSearch is really an optional process which is only needed if the poddling itself isn't aware of all the pitfalls with choosing a name.
Many people involved in finding the current name (ShaneC, ShaneB, Jim, Pete, Jason, Gerhard, David, me, etc .. even some of the JBoss' own legal team) are well aware of the trademark implications we needed to take care of.
Finding a halfways ok name was the main reason it took us almost 3 months from the first talks until the final incubation attempt. I remember it took us approx. 30 naming suggestions and a long time of review before we finally came up with the name 'DeltaSpike' as compromise ;)
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
>
>Mark,
>
>
>For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and enter it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
>
>
>John
>
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>To come back to your fair points:
>>
>>I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of your points:
>>
>>* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well. So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better name.
>>
>>* committers
>>
>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>>This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about future contributions from each and everyone!
>>Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added substantial contributions!
>>
>>The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>
>>Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
>>
>>
>>LieGrue,
>>strub
>>
>>
>>
>>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure you force a page refresh)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
>>> Maybe another month or two :-)
>>>
>>> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
>>> documentation on incubator.a.o
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>>>
>>> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>>> has
>>> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>>> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>>>
>>> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
>>> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
>>> the list that were not on
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
>>> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>>>
>>> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
>>> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>>>
>>> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>>> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi John!
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>>>
>>>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
>>>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
>>>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
>>>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
>>>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
>>>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
>>>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
>>>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
>>>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>>>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
>>> happier
>>>> if we would improve our release rate).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>> >________________________________
>>>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>>>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>>>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>>>> Top Level Project
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Sorry, but -1
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
>>> team
>>>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
>>>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
>>>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
>>> often."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
>>>> and work on becoming that single team.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >John
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
>>> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >Lords and Ladies.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
>>> the
>>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
>>> of
>>>> ${reason}
>>>> >>
>>>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>>> forward
>>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>LieGrue,
>>>> >>strub
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>---------------
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>> >>
>>>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
>>>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
>>> Project",
>>>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>> >>Foundation; and be it further
>>>> >>
>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>>> >>and be it further
>>>> >>
>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
>>> DeltaSpike" be
>>>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
>>> responsibility
>>>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>> >>
>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>> >>
>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>> >>
>>>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>> >>
>>>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Also, sorry, meant to include this in this email.
The PNS is based on this guide:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Mark,
>
> For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and enter
> it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> To come back to your fair points:
>>
>> I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of
>> your points:
>>
>> * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is
>> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well.
>> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody
>> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better
>> name.
>>
>> * committers
>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>> This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very
>> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing
>> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few
>> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and
>> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot
>> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
>> future contributions from each and everyone!
>> Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
>> substantial contributions!
>>
>> The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or
>> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>>
>> Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because
>> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure
>> you force a page refresh)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> > To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> > Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
>> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>> Top Level Project
>> >
>> > Mark,
>> >
>> > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
>> > Maybe another month or two :-)
>> >
>> > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
>> > documentation on incubator.a.o
>> >
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>> >
>> > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>> >
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>> > has
>> > no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
>> > general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>> >
>> > However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
>> > believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I
>> see on
>> > the list that were not on
>> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now
>> have
>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>> >
>> > Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to
>> graduate
>> > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>> >
>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi John!
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>> >>
>> >> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
>> committers
>> >> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other.
>> Means
>> >> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the
>> CODI
>> >> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either
>> the
>> >> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my
>> opinion the
>> >> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
>> there
>> >> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
>> pretty
>> >> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
>> because I
>> >> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>> >> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
>> > happier
>> >> if we would improve our release rate).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> LieGrue,
>> >> strub
>> >>
>> >> >________________________________
>> >> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> >> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>> >> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>> >> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
>> Apache
>> >> Top Level Project
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Sorry, but -1
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
>> > team
>> >> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
>> being a
>> >> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
>> communities
>> >> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
>> > often."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single
>> team
>> >> and work on becoming that single team.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >John
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
>> > <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Lords and Ladies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
>> > the
>> >> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> >> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> >> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
>> > of
>> >> ${reason}
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>> > forward
>> >> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is
>> done,
>> >> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>LieGrue,
>> >> >>strub
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>---------------
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> >> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>> >> >>
>> >> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> >> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> >> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> >> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> >> >>open-source software related to creating a set
>> >> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> >> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> >> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
>> > Project",
>> >> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> >> >>Foundation; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> >> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> >> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> >> >>and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
>> > DeltaSpike" be
>> >> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> >> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> >> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
>> > responsibility
>> >> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>> >> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> >> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> >> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> >> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> >> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> >> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> >> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> >> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> >> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> >> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> >> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> >> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> >> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> >> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>> >> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> >> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> >> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> >> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>> >> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> >> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> >> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>> >> >>
>> >> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> >> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Mark,
For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and enter
it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation.
John
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> To come back to your fair points:
>
> I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of
> your points:
>
> * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is
> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well.
> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody
> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better
> name.
>
> * committers
> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
> This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very
> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing
> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few
> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and
> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot
> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about
> future contributions from each and everyone!
> Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added
> substantial contributions!
>
> The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or less
> regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
>
>
>
> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>
> Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because there
> is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure you
> force a page refresh)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> > Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
> > Maybe another month or two :-)
> >
> > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
> > documentation on incubator.a.o
> >
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
> >
> > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> > has
> > no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
> > general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
> >
> > However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
> > believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see
> on
> > the list that were not on
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now
> have
> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
> >
> > Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
> > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
> >
> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi John!
> >>
> >> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> >>
> >> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> committers
> >> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other.
> Means
> >> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the
> CODI
> >> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either
> the
> >> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion
> the
> >> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
> there
> >> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
> pretty
> >> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> >>
> >>
> >> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break
> because I
> >> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> >> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
> > happier
> >> if we would improve our release rate).
> >>
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >> >________________________________
> >> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> >> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> >> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an
> Apache
> >> Top Level Project
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Sorry, but -1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
> > team
> >> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to
> being a
> >> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two
> communities
> >> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
> > often."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single
> team
> >> and work on becoming that single team.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> > <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Lords and Ladies.
> >> >>
> >> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
> > the
> >> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >> >>
> >> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> >> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> >> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
> > of
> >> ${reason}
> >> >>
> >> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> > forward
> >> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is
> done,
> >> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >> >>
> >> >>LieGrue,
> >> >>strub
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>---------------
> >> >>
> >> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> >> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >> >>
> >> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> >> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> >> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >> >>
> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> > Project",
> >> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >> >>Foundation; and be it further
> >> >>
> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> >> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> >> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> >> >>and be it further
> >> >>
> >> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> > DeltaSpike" be
> >> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> > responsibility
> >> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> >> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >> >>
> >> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >> >>
> >> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> >> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> >> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> >> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> >> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> >> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> >> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> >> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> >> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> >> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> >> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> >> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> >> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> >> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> >> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> >> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >> >>
> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> >> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> >> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >> >>
> >> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> >> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >> >>
> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> >> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >> >>
> >> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
To come back to your fair points:
I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of your points:
* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well. So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better name.
* committers
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about future contributions from each and everyone!
Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added substantial contributions!
The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
LieGrue,
strub
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure you force a page refresh)
----- Original Message -----
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> Mark,
>
> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
> Maybe another month or two :-)
>
> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
> documentation on incubator.a.o
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>
> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> has
> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>
> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
> the list that were not on
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>
> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>
> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>
> John
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi John!
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>
>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>
>>
>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
> happier
>> if we would improve our release rate).
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>> Top Level Project
>> >
>> >
>> >Sorry, but -1
>> >
>> >
>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
> team
>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
> often."
>> >
>> >
>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
>> and work on becoming that single team.
>> >
>> >
>> >John
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >Lords and Ladies.
>> >>
>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
> the
>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>> >>
>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
> of
>> ${reason}
>> >>
>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> forward
>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>> >>
>> >>LieGrue,
>> >>strub
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>---------------
>> >>
>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>> >>
>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>> >>
>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> Project",
>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> >>Foundation; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> >>and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike" be
>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> responsibility
>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>> >>
>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>> >>
>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Nicklas Karlsson <ni...@gmail.com>.
+1
I guess it's a bit of a "chicken and egg"-thingie (taking off as a project
and building community). The current team is talented and I don't doubt it
will thrive and become the "de facto" extension framework for CDI, however
for the project to really take off it would help if
* The documentation covered everything that can be done (even brief is
better that nothing)
* A clear roadmap (e.g the focus for 0.5 will be JSF and will cover the
following JIRAs, the estimate release window is xx.xx)
* Tutoring/orchestration for the team (some overview on who could do what,
make sure stuff integrates well)
* A catchy name ;-) I'm not sure if the name is on the table but I'm not
overly fond of the current name. Perhaps something more "snappy" in the
lines of Snap, Crackle, Pop, Chew, Bite. OK, not those but you get the
point...
And I do appreciate the fact that this is a volunteer-project and people
have limited hours.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:34 AM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Mark,
>
> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
> Maybe another month or two :-)
>
> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
> documentation on incubator.a.o
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>
> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> has
> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>
> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
> the list that were not on
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>
> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>
> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>
> John
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi John!
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> >
> > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> committers
> > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
> > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
> > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
> > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion
> the
> > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
> there
> > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
> pretty
> > stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> >
> >
> > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because
> I
> > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
> > if we would improve our release rate).
> >
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> > struberg@yahoo.de>
> > >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> > Top Level Project
> > >
> > >
> > >Sorry, but -1
> > >
> > >
> > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
> team
> > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
> > cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
> > to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
> > >
> > >
> > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
> > and work on becoming that single team.
> > >
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >Lords and Ladies.
> > >>
> > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> > Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> > >>
> > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> > ${reason}
> > >>
> > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> forward
> > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> > >>
> > >>LieGrue,
> > >>strub
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>---------------
> > >>
> > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> > >>
> > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > >>open-source software related to creating a set
> > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> > >>
> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > >>Foundation; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> > >>and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> > >>
> > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> > >>
> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--
Nicklas Karlsson, +358 40 5062266
Vaakunatie 10 as 7, 20780 Kaarina
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
To come back to your fair points:
I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few of your points:
* DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike is still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as well. So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year nobody came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a better name.
* committers
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the mailing list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a few hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - and obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up cannot make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about future contributions from each and everyone!
Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added substantial contributions!
The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard.
> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public because there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do better.
LieGrue,
strub
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure you force a page refresh)
----- Original Message -----
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> Cc: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> Mark,
>
> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
> Maybe another month or two :-)
>
> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
> documentation on incubator.a.o
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>
> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
> has
> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
> general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
>
> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
> the list that were not on
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
>
> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
>
> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
>
> John
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi John!
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>
>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>
>>
>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be
> happier
>> if we would improve our release rate).
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>> >________________________________
>> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>> Top Level Project
>> >
>> >
>> >Sorry, but -1
>> >
>> >
>> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
> team
>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and
> often."
>> >
>> >
>> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
>> and work on becoming that single team.
>> >
>> >
>> >John
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg
> <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >Lords and Ladies.
>> >>
>> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
> the
>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>> >>
>> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because
> of
>> ${reason}
>> >>
>> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> forward
>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>> >>
>> >>LieGrue,
>> >>strub
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>---------------
>> >>
>> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>> >>
>> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> >>open-source software related to creating a set
>> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>> >>
>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> Project",
>> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> >>Foundation; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> >>and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike" be
>> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary
> responsibility
>> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
>> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>> >>
>> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>> >>
>> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>> >>
>> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Mark,
My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
Maybe another month or two :-)
I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
documentation on incubator.a.o
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
- We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
has
no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
the list that were not on
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
John
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hi John!
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>
> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>
>
> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
> if we would improve our release rate).
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> >________________________________
> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >
> >
> >Sorry, but -1
> >
> >
> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team
> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
> >
> >
> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
> and work on becoming that single team.
> >
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> >Lords and Ladies.
> >>
> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >>
> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> ${reason}
> >>
> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >>
> >>LieGrue,
> >>strub
> >>
> >>
> >>---------------
> >>
> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >>
> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >>
> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>Foundation; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> >>and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >>
> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >>
> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Mark,
My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet.
Maybe another month or two :-)
I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the
documentation on incubator.a.o
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
- We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
has
no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to
general@i.a.o to let them know we're thinking about it.
However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't
believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on
the list that were not on
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have
16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?)
Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate
that only released their parent POM a couple times :-)
Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need
100% consensus in the matter then, correct?
John
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hi John!
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>
> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>
>
> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
> if we would improve our release rate).
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> >________________________________
> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >
> >
> >Sorry, but -1
> >
> >
> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team
> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
> >
> >
> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
> and work on becoming that single team.
> >
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> >Lords and Ladies.
> >>
> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >>
> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> ${reason}
> >>
> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >>
> >>LieGrue,
> >>strub
> >>
> >>
> >>---------------
> >>
> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >>
> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >>
> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>Foundation; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> >>and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >>
> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >>
> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
+1 finished parts are already in prod and other parts are coming (even if
we all would like it to be faster ;)
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2013/3/25 Jason Porter <li...@gmail.com>
> +1 Let's get this to a TLP :)
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi John!
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
> >
> > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial
> committers
> > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
> > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
> > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
> > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion
> the
> > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if
> there
> > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a
> pretty
> > stable set of 5+ regular committers.
> >
> >
> > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because
> I
> > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
> > if we would improve our release rate).
> >
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> > >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> > struberg@yahoo.de>
> > >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> > Top Level Project
> > >
> > >
> > >Sorry, but -1
> > >
> > >
> > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI
> team
> > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
> > cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
> > to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
> > >
> > >
> > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
> > and work on becoming that single team.
> > >
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >Lords and Ladies.
> > >>
> > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> > Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> > >>
> > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> > ${reason}
> > >>
> > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> forward
> > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> > >>
> > >>LieGrue,
> > >>strub
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>---------------
> > >>
> > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> > >>
> > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > >>open-source software related to creating a set
> > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> > >>
> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > >>Foundation; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> > >>and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> > >>
> > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> > >>
> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jason Porter
> http://en.gravatar.com/lightguardjp
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Shane Bryzak <sb...@redhat.com>.
+1
On 26/03/13 08:21, Jason Porter wrote:
> +1 Let's get this to a TLP :)
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi John!
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>>
>> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
>> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
>> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
>> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
>> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
>> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
>> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
>> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>>
>>
>> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
>> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
>> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
>> if we would improve our release rate).
>>
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>>> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
>> struberg@yahoo.de>
>>> Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
>> Top Level Project
>>>
>>> Sorry, but -1
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team
>> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
>> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
>> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
>>>
>>> I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
>> and work on becoming that single team.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lords and Ladies.
>>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
>> ${reason}
>>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------
>>>>
>>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>>> and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>>
>>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Jason Porter <li...@gmail.com>.
+1 Let's get this to a TLP :)
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hi John!
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
>
> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers
> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means
> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI
> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the
> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the
> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there
> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty
> stable set of 5+ regular committers.
>
>
> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I
> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short
> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier
> if we would improve our release rate).
>
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> >________________________________
> > From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> >To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <
> struberg@yahoo.de>
> >Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
> Top Level Project
> >
> >
> >Sorry, but -1
> >
> >
> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team
> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
> >
> >
> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team
> and work on becoming that single team.
> >
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> >Lords and Ladies.
> >>
> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >>
> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> ${reason}
> >>
> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
> >>
> >>LieGrue,
> >>strub
> >>
> >>
> >>---------------
> >>
> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report
> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >>
> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>open-source software related to creating a set
> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> >>for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >>
> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>Foundation; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> >>and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> >>for management of the projects within the scope of
> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >>
> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >>
> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >>encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >>
> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >>Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
--
Jason Porter
http://en.gravatar.com/lightguardjp
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi John!
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty stable set of 5+ regular committers.
We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier if we would improve our release rate).
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
>
>Sorry, but -1
>
>
>In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
>
>
>I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team and work on becoming that single team.
>
>
>John
>
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>Lords and Ladies.
>>
>>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>
>>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>>
>>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>
>>LieGrue,
>>strub
>>
>>
>>---------------
>>
>>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>
>>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>open-source software related to creating a set
>>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>
>>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>Foundation; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>
>>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>
>>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>
>>
>>
>>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi John!
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial committers are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion the community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if there are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a pretty stable set of 5+ regular committers.
We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because I was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier if we would improve our release rate).
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
>To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>Cc: deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
>
>Sorry, but -1
>
>
>In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
>
>
>I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team and work on becoming that single team.
>
>
>John
>
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>Lords and Ladies.
>>
>>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>
>>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>>
>>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>
>>LieGrue,
>>strub
>>
>>
>>---------------
>>
>>Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>
>>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>open-source software related to creating a set
>>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>
>>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>Foundation; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>for management of the projects within the scope of
>>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>
>>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>
>>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>
>>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>Project are hereafter discharged.
>>
>>
>>
>>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Sorry, but -1
In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team
and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team and
work on becoming that single team.
John
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
AW: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Florian Hell <in...@softwareentwicklung-hell.de>.
+1
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mark Struberg [mailto:struberg@yahoo.de]
Gesendet: Montag, 25. März 2013 22:35
An: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org; deltaspike
Betreff: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Lords and Ladies.
Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the
VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the
board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
LieGrue,
strub
---------------
Proposed Board Resolution Report
X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software related to creating a set of portable CDI (JSR-299)
Extensions for distribution at no charge to the public.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project", be and hereby is established
pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is responsible
for the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to creating
a set of portable CDI Extensions; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be and
hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and
to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
scope of responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeltaSpike Project:
Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org> Mark Struberg <struberg at
apache.org> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at
gmail.com> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher
at apache.org Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de> Arne Limburg
<arne.limburg at openknowledge.de> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at
gmail.com> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com> Romain Mannu-Buccau
<rmannibucau at gmail.com> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org> Jim
Jagielski <jim at apache.org> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org> Ken
Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg be appointed to
the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to serve in accordance with
and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is tasked
with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
and increased participation in the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it
further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is tasked with
the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeltaSpike
podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
hereafter discharged.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi folks!
The majority VOTE has passed with the following voices:
+1 Alexis Krier, Cody Lerum, Charles Moulliard, Romain Manni-Bucau, Shane Bryzak, Heiko Kopp, Nicklas Karlsson, Antoine Sabot-Durand, Florian Hell, Санжар Жалилов, Pete Muir, Ken Finnigan, Rudy De Busscher, Jason Porter, Gerhard Petracek, Dev Khadka, Jean-Louis Monteiro, Thorsten, Mark Struberg
-1 John Ament, Harald Wellmann
A few results were mixed +1 and -1 in one mail. I didn't tally those. Basically they have been kind of "+1 IF" but this is not possible in a VOTE.
I'll go on and continue with the process over on general@apache.org.
The Incubator PMC has to review and vote on the proposal now.
txs and LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
> Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator
> and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the
> VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board
> might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Ken Finnigan <ke...@kenfinnigan.me>.
+1
Ken
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Fwd: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
FYI, Apache DeltaSpike looking to graduate soon.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
Date: Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <
deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org>, deltaspike <
deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org>
Lords and Ladies.
Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
LieGrue,
strub
---------------
Proposed Board Resolution Report
X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software related to creating a set
of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
for distribution at no charge to the public.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache DeltaSpike Project:
Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Cody Lerum <co...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Ken Finnigan <ke...@kenfinnigan.me>.
+1
Ken
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Thorsten <th...@gmx.de>.
+1 (if below item is addressed)
I think there is very little missing to graduate soon but there is one
important non-technical reason I think the DS team should put some more
effort into before graduation: marketing. May sound lame but it was already
mentioned that there is little "technical" benefit for graduation other
then artifact naming.
Graduation is a one time event that provides a significant "marketing"
boost to the project to make people aware of it. Now what does somebody do
who first hears about a project? He takes a look at the project site and
maybe browses its feature list and examples to get an idea if it is of
interes/benefit to him/her or not. If there is no or little content to
browse then a person will loose interest after a few clicks around and that
would be a greate waste of the graduation "marketing" event.
And that is exactly were DS needs improvement: the project page. It needs
documentation, comprehensive feature list, a clear roadmap, maybe links to
blogs about the features and how to use them, cockbook/snippets, etc.
I noticed that recently lots of content was added and that is exactly what
is required to get more people interested and keep them for more the 3-4
clicks on the site.
So IMHO there is less need to add new code or enhance existing features
before graduation but complete docs on the stuff that is already there and
a roadmap on what is planned to make full use of the traction you get from
graduation.
Just my 2 cents...
2013/3/25 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] [RESULT] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi folks!
The majority VOTE has passed with the following voices:
+1 Alexis Krier, Cody Lerum, Charles Moulliard, Romain Manni-Bucau, Shane Bryzak, Heiko Kopp, Nicklas Karlsson, Antoine Sabot-Durand, Florian Hell, Санжар Жалилов, Pete Muir, Ken Finnigan, Rudy De Busscher, Jason Porter, Gerhard Petracek, Dev Khadka, Jean-Louis Monteiro, Thorsten, Mark Struberg
-1 John Ament, Harald Wellmann
A few results were mixed +1 and -1 in one mail. I didn't tally those. Basically they have been kind of "+1 IF" but this is not possible in a VOTE.
I'll go on and continue with the process over on general@apache.org.
The Incubator PMC has to review and vote on the proposal now.
txs and LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
> Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator
> and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the
> VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board
> might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Thorsten <th...@gmx.de>.
+1 (if below item is addressed)
I think there is very little missing to graduate soon but there is one
important non-technical reason I think the DS team should put some more
effort into before graduation: marketing. May sound lame but it was already
mentioned that there is little "technical" benefit for graduation other
then artifact naming.
Graduation is a one time event that provides a significant "marketing"
boost to the project to make people aware of it. Now what does somebody do
who first hears about a project? He takes a look at the project site and
maybe browses its feature list and examples to get an idea if it is of
interes/benefit to him/her or not. If there is no or little content to
browse then a person will loose interest after a few clicks around and that
would be a greate waste of the graduation "marketing" event.
And that is exactly were DS needs improvement: the project page. It needs
documentation, comprehensive feature list, a clear roadmap, maybe links to
blogs about the features and how to use them, cockbook/snippets, etc.
I noticed that recently lots of content was added and that is exactly what
is required to get more people interested and keep them for more the 3-4
clicks on the site.
So IMHO there is less need to add new code or enhance existing features
before graduation but complete docs on the stuff that is already there and
a roadmap on what is planned to make full use of the traction you get from
graduation.
Just my 2 cents...
2013/3/25 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <je...@gmail.com>.
+1
Great if Deltaspike becomes a TLP.
Congrats and thanks for the work guys.
JLouis
2013/3/28 Dev Khadka <de...@syntechnepal.com>
> +1
>
> On 3/28/2013 3:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek wrote:
>
>> +1 (asap)
>>
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/25 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>
>> Lords and Ladies.
>>>
>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
>>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>
>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
>>> ${reason}
>>>
>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
>>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>> and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>
>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>
>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>
>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/DeltaSpike/**
>>> Graduation+Proposal<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal>
>>>
>>>
>
--
Jean-Louis
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Dev Khadka <de...@syntechnepal.com>.
+1
On 3/28/2013 3:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek wrote:
> +1 (asap)
>
> regards,
> gerhard
>
>
>
> 2013/3/25 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>
>> Lords and Ladies.
>>
>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
>> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>
>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>>
>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
>> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
>> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software related to creating a set
>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> Foundation; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>
>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <gp...@apache.org>.
+1 (asap)
regards,
gerhard
2013/3/25 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <gp...@apache.org>.
+1 (asap)
regards,
gerhard
2013/3/25 Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Charles Moulliard <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
--
Charles Moulliard
Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat)
Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Graduation has _noting_ to do with how far we are with the code!
And it's really a bit of a chicken and egg problem.
To be used in even more projects we should become a TLP. And then we will gain more traction.
Everyone is welcome to provide feedback on the code and also to provide features and fixes.
The pointer with the roadmap was a good though. Until now we developed all new features directly in the master branch.
And now we face the problem that we have half done features around and are not really able to release DS on a day by day basis without doing them properly first.
Thus said: you are very welcome to ship patches, fixes, unit tests and documentation!
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Harald Wellmann <hw...@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> -1 (non-binding)
>
> +1 for a 0.4 release ASAP.
>
>
> In more detail:
>
> I'm not happy with the progress of DeltaSpike. There hasn't been a
> release for 7 months. To use newer features on trunk which are urgently needed,
> people have to build their own private releases.
>
> DeltaSpike was announced as the joint successor of Seam and CODI, both of which
> are discontinued, whereas DeltaSpike is not mature enough yet to fill the gap.
>
> I found Seam more or less unusable in a non-JBoss environment due to lots of
> unwanted transitive dependencies, but Seam at least had decent documentation,
> whereas DeltaSpike documentation is still too sketchy to be useful.
>
> Leaving the incubator now will likely result in some media coverage, so that
> prospective users might take a look and be deterred by the unfinished state of
> things, and never come back.
>
> I think it's better to have a 0.4 release as-is very soon and then a 0.5
> with a focus on documentation and stability before leaving the incubator.
>
> Best regards,
> Harald
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Harald Wellmann <hw...@gmail.com>.
-1 (non-binding)
+1 for a 0.4 release ASAP.
In more detail:
I'm not happy with the progress of DeltaSpike. There hasn't been a
release for 7 months. To use newer features on trunk which are urgently
needed, people have to build their own private releases.
DeltaSpike was announced as the joint successor of Seam and CODI, both
of which are discontinued, whereas DeltaSpike is not mature enough yet
to fill the gap.
I found Seam more or less unusable in a non-JBoss environment due to
lots of unwanted transitive dependencies, but Seam at least had decent
documentation, whereas DeltaSpike documentation is still too sketchy to
be useful.
Leaving the incubator now will likely result in some media coverage, so
that prospective users might take a look and be deterred by the
unfinished state of things, and never come back.
I think it's better to have a 0.4 release as-is very soon and then a 0.5
with a focus on documentation and stability before leaving the incubator.
Best regards,
Harald
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Pete Muir <pm...@redhat.com>.
+1
On 25 Mar 2013, at 21:35, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Pete Muir <pm...@redhat.com>.
+1
On 25 Mar 2013, at 21:35, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
+1
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> To: "deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; deltaspike <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:35 PM
> Subject: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator
> and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the
> VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board
> might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Rudy De Busscher <rd...@gmail.com>.
+1
Rudy
On 25 March 2013 22:35, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Antoine Sabot-Durand <an...@gmail.com>.
+1
Le 26 mars 2013 à 10:28, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> a écrit :
> Actually it's pretty well established already in real world projects. I personally know of 10+ companies over here which use it heavily already.
> And those customers are all pretty big.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Esteve Avilés <ea...@gmail.com>
>> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> From the user point of view, I don't see a clear roadmap for DS. It was
>> supposed to be release by mid 2012, and we are at 2013 and haven't released
>> a major version.
>>
>> Despite viewing DS usage only in JBoss projects (Aerogear, JDF,
>> Picketlink), I am not sure it will gain enough support from the community
>> to be a top level Apache project.
>>
>> IMHO it would be nice to have a JSF + JPA + Security full featured modules
>> ready, with documentation and site finished, for a RC before graduate DS as
>> a Top Level project.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Esteve
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 7:39 AM, <it...@daimler.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr.-Ing. Heiko Kopp / Fa. Vision iT media GmbH
>>> c/o Mercedes-Benz Bank
>>> ITF/GC - Credit Risk Solutions
>>> 70469 Stuttgart
>>>
>>> Tel.: 0711 2574-6144
>>> Fax: 0711 2574-96144
>>> E-Mail: it-media.kopp@daimler.com
>>>
>>> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
>>> bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to build
>>> bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning.
>>>
>>> struberg@yahoo.de schrieb am 25.03.2013 22:35:20:
>>>
>>>> struberg@yahoo.de
>>>> 25.03.2013 22:35
>>>>
>>>> Bitte antworten an
>>>> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> An
>>>>
>>>> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org,
>>> deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Kopie
>>>>
>>>> Thema
>>>>
>>>> [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level
>>> Project
>>>>
>>>> Lords and Ladies.
>>>>
>>>> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
>>>> the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>>>>
>>>> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>>>> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>>>> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
>>> ${reason}
>>>>
>>>> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>>>> forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once
>>>> this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board
>>> meeting.
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------
>>>>
>>>> Proposed Board Resolution Report
>>>> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>> open-source software related to creating a set
>>>> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>>>> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>>>>
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
>> Project",
>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>> Foundation; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>>>> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>>>> and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
>> DeltaSpike" be
>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>>>>
>>>> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>>>> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>>>> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>>>> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>>>> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>>>> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>>>> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>>>> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>>>> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>>>> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>>>> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>>> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>>>> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>>>> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>>>> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>>>> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>>>>
>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that
>>> you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for
>>> your cooperation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Esteve Avilés
>>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Actually it's pretty well established already in real world projects. I personally know of 10+ companies over here which use it heavily already.
And those customers are all pretty big.
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
> From: Esteve Avilés <ea...@gmail.com>
> To: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
>
> Hi,
>
> From the user point of view, I don't see a clear roadmap for DS. It was
> supposed to be release by mid 2012, and we are at 2013 and haven't released
> a major version.
>
> Despite viewing DS usage only in JBoss projects (Aerogear, JDF,
> Picketlink), I am not sure it will gain enough support from the community
> to be a top level Apache project.
>
> IMHO it would be nice to have a JSF + JPA + Security full featured modules
> ready, with documentation and site finished, for a RC before graduate DS as
> a Top Level project.
>
> Regards,
>
> Esteve
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 7:39 AM, <it...@daimler.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> --
>> Dr.-Ing. Heiko Kopp / Fa. Vision iT media GmbH
>> c/o Mercedes-Benz Bank
>> ITF/GC - Credit Risk Solutions
>> 70469 Stuttgart
>>
>> Tel.: 0711 2574-6144
>> Fax: 0711 2574-96144
>> E-Mail: it-media.kopp@daimler.com
>>
>> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
>> bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to build
>> bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning.
>>
>> struberg@yahoo.de schrieb am 25.03.2013 22:35:20:
>>
>> > struberg@yahoo.de
>> > 25.03.2013 22:35
>> >
>> > Bitte antworten an
>> > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> > An
>> >
>> > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org,
>> deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> > Kopie
>> >
>> > Thema
>> >
>> > [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level
>> Project
>> >
>> > Lords and Ladies.
>> >
>> > Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
>> > the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>> >
>> > [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
>> > [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
>> > [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
>> ${reason}
>> >
>> > The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
>> > forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once
>> > this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board
>> meeting.
>> >
>> > LieGrue,
>> > strub
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------
>> >
>> > Proposed Board Resolution Report
>> > X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> > open-source software related to creating a set
>> > of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
>> > for distribution at no charge to the public.
>> >
>> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike
> Project",
>> > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> > Foundation; and be it further
>> >
>> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
>> > responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
>> > software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
>> > and be it further
>> >
>> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
> DeltaSpike" be
>> > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> > of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> > for management of the projects within the scope of
>> > responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >
>> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> > Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>> >
>> > Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
>> > Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
>> > Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
>> > Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
>> > Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
>> > Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
>> > Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
>> > Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
>> > Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
>> > Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
>> > Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>> > Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
>> > Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
>> > David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
>> > Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
>> > John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>> >
>> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
>> > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
>> > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> >
>> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
>> > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> > encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> > Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>> >
>> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
>> > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>> >
>> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> > Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>>
>>
>> If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that
>> you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for
>> your cooperation.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Esteve Avilés
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Esteve Avilés <ea...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
>From the user point of view, I don't see a clear roadmap for DS. It was
supposed to be release by mid 2012, and we are at 2013 and haven't released
a major version.
Despite viewing DS usage only in JBoss projects (Aerogear, JDF,
Picketlink), I am not sure it will gain enough support from the community
to be a top level Apache project.
IMHO it would be nice to have a JSF + JPA + Security full featured modules
ready, with documentation and site finished, for a RC before graduate DS as
a Top Level project.
Regards,
Esteve
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 7:39 AM, <it...@daimler.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> --
> Dr.-Ing. Heiko Kopp / Fa. Vision iT media GmbH
> c/o Mercedes-Benz Bank
> ITF/GC - Credit Risk Solutions
> 70469 Stuttgart
>
> Tel.: 0711 2574-6144
> Fax: 0711 2574-96144
> E-Mail: it-media.kopp@daimler.com
>
> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
> bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to build
> bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning.
>
> struberg@yahoo.de schrieb am 25.03.2013 22:35:20:
>
> > struberg@yahoo.de
> > 25.03.2013 22:35
> >
> > Bitte antworten an
> > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > An
> >
> > deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org,
> deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > Kopie
> >
> > Thema
> >
> > [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level
> Project
> >
> > Lords and Ladies.
> >
> > Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
> > the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
> >
> > [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> > [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> > [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
> ${reason}
> >
> > The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> > forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once
> > this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board
> meeting.
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> > ---------------
> >
> > Proposed Board Resolution Report
> > X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software related to creating a set
> > of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> > for distribution at no charge to the public.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> > responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> > software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> > and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > for management of the projects within the scope of
> > responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > Apache DeltaSpike Project:
> >
> > Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> > Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> > Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> > Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> > Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> > Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> > Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> > Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> > Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> > Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> > Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> > Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> > Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> > David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> > Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> > John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > Project are hereafter discharged.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
>
> If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that
> you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for
> your cooperation.
--
Esteve Avilés
Antwort: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache
Top Level Project
Posted by it...@daimler.com.
+1
--
Dr.-Ing. Heiko Kopp / Fa. Vision iT media GmbH
c/o Mercedes-Benz Bank
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struberg@yahoo.de schrieb am 25.03.2013 22:35:20:
> struberg@yahoo.de
> 25.03.2013 22:35
>
> Bitte antworten an
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> An
>
> deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org,
deltaspike-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
> Kopie
>
> Thema
>
> [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level
Project
>
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of
> the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of
${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and
> forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once
> this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board
meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
>
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
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Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Sorry, but -1
In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI team
and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a
cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities
to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often."
I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team and
work on becoming that single team.
John
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top
Level Project
Posted by Rudy De Busscher <rd...@gmail.com>.
+1
Rudy
On 25 March 2013 22:35, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Lords and Ladies.
>
> Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the
> Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
>
> [+1] yea, all fine and I like it
> [+0] no blocker, but I don't care
> [-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
>
> The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward
> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done,
> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Proposed Board Resolution Report
> X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to creating a set
> of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
> for distribution at no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
> software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
> and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
> for management of the projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project:
>
> Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
> Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
> Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
> Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
> Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
> Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
> Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
> Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
> Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
> Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
> Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
> Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
> Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
> David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
> Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
> John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> Project are hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
>
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Санжар Жалилов <sj...@infosystema.kg>.
[+1]
----- Исходное сообщение -----
От: "Mark Struberg" <st...@yahoo.de>
Кому: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org, "deltaspike" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Отправленные: Вторник, 26 Март 2013 г 3:35:20
Тема: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Lords and Ladies.
Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
LieGrue,
strub
---------------
Proposed Board Resolution Report
X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software related to creating a set
of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
for distribution at no charge to the public.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache DeltaSpike Project:
Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal
Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Posted by Санжар Жалилов <sj...@infosystema.kg>.
[+1]
----- Исходное сообщение -----
От: "Mark Struberg" <st...@yahoo.de>
Кому: deltaspike-users@incubator.apache.org, "deltaspike" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Отправленные: Вторник, 26 Март 2013 г 3:35:20
Тема: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top Level Project
Lords and Ladies.
Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the Incubator and establishing it as TLP.
[+1] yea, all fine and I like it
[+0] no blocker, but I don't care
[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of ${reason}
The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and forward the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting.
LieGrue,
strub
---------------
Proposed Board Resolution Report
X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
open-source software related to creating a set
of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions
for distribution at no charge to the public.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project",
be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source
software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions;
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility
for management of the projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
Apache DeltaSpike Project:
Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org>
Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org>
Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com>
Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com>
Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org
Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de>
Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de>
Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com>
Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com>
Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org>
Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org>
David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org>
Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me>
John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg
be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to
serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is
tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
encourage open development and increased participation in the
Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby
is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
Project are hereafter discharged.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal