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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by tom cuypers <to...@hotmail.com> on 2015/02/14 21:47:44 UTC
odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Dear Sir,
how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by letting them work for weeks on documents.
Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is unfixable.
BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less time.
Regards
Tom Cuypers
Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Lucetta <lu...@lucetta.ca>.
I save my document files using "save as" on the drop down menu and adding the current date at the end of the file name whenever I open and amend a document. It is then easy to go back to any the earlier versions.
There are more sophisticated methods but this is simple and relatively idiot proof.
ATB
Lucetta
> On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <an...@pitonyak.org> wrote:
>
> How does a file disappear? That is an easy one. If you always save the file to the same file name, and something then happens to that one file, then there are no other copies.
>
> I have seen this as follows:
>
> Click on Save, and something goes wrong while saving, which corrupts the file (say it crashing mid-write).
>
>
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> My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <an...@pitonyak.org>.
How does a file disappear? That is an easy one. If you always save the
file to the same file name, and something then happens to that one file,
then there are no other copies.
I have seen this as follows:
Click on Save, and something goes wrong while saving, which corrupts the
file (say it crashing mid-write).
--
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My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 19:18 15/02/2015 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
>I can't understand how anyone can work for weeks on a document
>without taking one single backup ...
Then you don't understand how half the world works! Perhaps those who
understand little about computers also understand little about their
imperfection. But your implied criticism is entirely justified, of course.
>That sounds cool! Where do you buy [typewriters], these days?
Oh, second-hand models are plentiful! (I recently cleaned up my
trusty 1960s portable and Freecycled it.)
Brian Barker
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 02/15/2015 02:25 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 19:18 15/02/2015 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
>> I can't understand how anyone can work for weeks on a document without taking one single backup ...
>
> Then you don't understand how half the world works! Perhaps those who understand little about computers also understand little about their imperfection. But your implied criticism is entirely justified, of course.
>
>> That sounds cool! Where do you buy [typewriters], these days?
>
> Oh, second-hand models are plentiful! (I recently cleaned up my trusty 1960s portable and Freecycled it.)
>
> Brian Barker
>
Much to my surprise, there is a working typewriter behind the desk at my public library!
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-02-14 21:47 GMT+01:00 tom cuypers <to...@hotmail.com>:
> Dear Sir,
>
> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of
> suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by
> letting them work for weeks on documents.
>
I can't understand how anyone can work for weeks on a document without
taking one single backup (which seems to be the case in this case, since
you simply just didn't recover your file to solve your problem).
> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is
> unfixable.
>
Sometimes they are unfixable, sometimes they can be fixed. Depends on what
happened to the file.
> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
>
It shouldn't. Since you provided us with no details whatsoever about this
case, I can't help you find it, however. I have thought many times myself
that a file disappeared, but usually the problem is me, somehow. By the
way, why are you screaming? Do you think we are too far away?
> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
>
You do whatever you want. I'm not sure why you even mentioned it. We, who
read this, are just Apache OpenOffice users like yourself, who try to help
each other. And sometimes we start wars some tiny war about what's better
than what… but hopefully not this time…
> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less
> time.
>
That sounds cool! Where do you buy those, these days?
Kind regards
Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Cuypers
>
Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
On 18-Feb-15 03:19, tom cuypers wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> I've received some other answers that convince me my specific problem is unsolvable so it's no use answering your questions.
Even if the problem is unsolvable (in your case), it is preventable by
setting the options for AutoRecovery interval and backup.
>
> Tom
>
>> From: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> CC: tomcuper@hotmail.com
>> Subject: RE: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:37:07 -0800
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I am very sorry that you have had a serious difficulty.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there is not enough information to determine what "this well-known problem" is. Your case could easily be different than others that are reported.
>>
>> It is always wise to keep intermediate backups and you can make that automatic in the Tools | Options menu. That's for the future. It does not help with your immediate loss of a document.
>>
>> What do you mean that the document disappeared?
>>
>> Did it disappear or is it there but appears to be corrupted and opens in a strange way?
>>
>> Also, please let us know which version of Apache OpenOffice you were running, and on what operating system. And what was the name of the file?
>>
>>
>> - Dennis
>>
>> PS: You have reached a public mailing list on which volunteers contribute to questions from other users like themselves. For any follow-up, please reply to users@openoffice.apache.org where expert users can offer further advice and others can learn the solutions others have found. Advisors on this list do not promise to respond to questions sent directly to their email addresses. To observe questions and solutions posted to the list, you are welcome to subscribe to users@openoffice.apache.org by sending an e-mail with any subject to users-subscribe@openoffice.apache.org from the mail account where you wish to receive posts made to the list.
>> The OpenOffice Forums have an extensive knowledge base at https://forum.openoffice.org/ that you can browse through as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tom cuypers [mailto:tomcuper@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
>>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
>> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
>> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by letting them work for weeks on documents.
>> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is unfixable.
>> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
>> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
>> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less time.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tom Cuypers
>>
>>
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
On 18-Feb-15 13:24, Julian Thomas wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:19, tom cuypers <to...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've received some other answers that convince me my specific problem is unsolvable so it's no use answering your questions.
> Have you tried:
>
> Saving as a csv file
> Using a good text editor on that file to fix the issues to create a new csv file?
> reloading it?
That's rely smart, saving a series of pound signs as comma separated
pound signs.
This will translate ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ in
£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£,£
But now I'm lost.
What should I do with the text editor?
>
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>.
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:19, tom cuypers <to...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've received some other answers that convince me my specific problem is unsolvable so it's no use answering your questions.
Have you tried:
Saving as a csv file
Using a good text editor on that file to fix the issues to create a new csv file?
reloading it?
—
jt - jt@jt-mj.net
Changing operating systems is not as simple as changing underwear.
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by jonathon <to...@gmail.com>.
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> I've received some other answers that convince me my specific problem is unsolvable so it's no use answering your questions.
I trust that you understand that you _FAILED_ to provide enough data for
anybody to even begin to look for a solution to your alleged problem.
I deliberately use the word alleged, because everything you provided
points to PEBKAC.
Start with your complete failure to describe your specific problem, and
end up with your refusal to answer basic diagnostic questions.
jonathon
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RE: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by tom cuypers <to...@hotmail.com>.
Dennis,
I've received some other answers that convince me my specific problem is unsolvable so it's no use answering your questions.
Tom
> From: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> CC: tomcuper@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:37:07 -0800
>
> Tom,
>
> I am very sorry that you have had a serious difficulty.
>
> Unfortunately, there is not enough information to determine what "this well-known problem" is. Your case could easily be different than others that are reported.
>
> It is always wise to keep intermediate backups and you can make that automatic in the Tools | Options menu. That's for the future. It does not help with your immediate loss of a document.
>
> What do you mean that the document disappeared?
>
> Did it disappear or is it there but appears to be corrupted and opens in a strange way?
>
> Also, please let us know which version of Apache OpenOffice you were running, and on what operating system. And what was the name of the file?
>
>
> - Dennis
>
> PS: You have reached a public mailing list on which volunteers contribute to questions from other users like themselves. For any follow-up, please reply to users@openoffice.apache.org where expert users can offer further advice and others can learn the solutions others have found. Advisors on this list do not promise to respond to questions sent directly to their email addresses. To observe questions and solutions posted to the list, you are welcome to subscribe to users@openoffice.apache.org by sending an e-mail with any subject to users-subscribe@openoffice.apache.org from the mail account where you wish to receive posts made to the list.
> The OpenOffice Forums have an extensive knowledge base at https://forum.openoffice.org/ that you can browse through as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom cuypers [mailto:tomcuper@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by letting them work for weeks on documents.
> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is unfixable.
> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less time.
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Cuypers
>
>
RE: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Tom,
I am very sorry that you have had a serious difficulty.
Unfortunately, there is not enough information to determine what "this well-known problem" is. Your case could easily be different than others that are reported.
It is always wise to keep intermediate backups and you can make that automatic in the Tools | Options menu. That's for the future. It does not help with your immediate loss of a document.
What do you mean that the document disappeared?
Did it disappear or is it there but appears to be corrupted and opens in a strange way?
Also, please let us know which version of Apache OpenOffice you were running, and on what operating system. And what was the name of the file?
- Dennis
PS: You have reached a public mailing list on which volunteers contribute to questions from other users like themselves. For any follow-up, please reply to users@openoffice.apache.org where expert users can offer further advice and others can learn the solutions others have found. Advisors on this list do not promise to respond to questions sent directly to their email addresses. To observe questions and solutions posted to the list, you are welcome to subscribe to users@openoffice.apache.org by sending an e-mail with any subject to users-subscribe@openoffice.apache.org from the mail account where you wish to receive posts made to the list.
The OpenOffice Forums have an extensive knowledge base at https://forum.openoffice.org/ that you can browse through as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: tom cuypers [mailto:tomcuper@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Dear Sir,
how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by letting them work for weeks on documents.
Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is unfixable.
BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less time.
Regards
Tom Cuypers
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by "Josiane (telenet)" <jo...@telenet.be>.
Hello Mr Cuypers
You must be carefull to blame OO.
Because I had a similar problem once, and I was convinced that I did
everythin good.
But it turned out that I saved a file without an extention!
And then ofcourse one can not find this file anywhere again.
So please, look carefully!
Kind regards
Josiane Claesen
Op Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:47:44 +0100 schreef tom cuypers
<to...@hotmail.com>:
> Dear Sir,
> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of
> suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by
> letting them work for weeks on documents.
> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is
> unfixable.
> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me
> less time.
> Regards
> Tom Cuypers
>
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
You're using Thunderbird 31 and in this version the filters can't spot the 2nd delivered to field. This was discussed several months ago.
You need to upgrade to a later version. Mine work fine (34).
Hagar
Le 18/02/2015 23:12, Martin Groenescheij a écrit :
> Hi Hagar,
>
> You're correct.
> I use a filter to mark all emails Delivered-To: moderator
> This one was not marked (no idea why not), I should have checked before I replied.
> Sorry, I will check next time.
>
> Martin
>
> On 19-Feb-15 07:47, Hagar Delest wrote:
>> Le 18/02/2015 01:06, Martin Groenescheij a écrit :
>>>
>>> On 18-Feb-15 09:47, Hagar Delest wrote:
>>>> Top posting.
>>>> For the record, OP is not subscribed so he has missed almost all the replies.
>>>
>>> For the record, OP was subscribed at the moment he raised the question.
>> Hmm, how do you see that?
>> I checked his first message and there is:
>>
>> Delivered-To: mailing list users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.apache.org
>>
>> Same for his second post BTW.
>> So I still think that he's still not subscribed.
>>
>> Hagar
>>
>>
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
Hi Hagar,
You're correct.
I use a filter to mark all emails Delivered-To: moderator
This one was not marked (no idea why not), I should have checked before
I replied.
Sorry, I will check next time.
Martin
On 19-Feb-15 07:47, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 18/02/2015 01:06, Martin Groenescheij a écrit :
>>
>> On 18-Feb-15 09:47, Hagar Delest wrote:
>>> Top posting.
>>> For the record, OP is not subscribed so he has missed almost all the
>>> replies.
>>
>> For the record, OP was subscribed at the moment he raised the question.
> Hmm, how do you see that?
> I checked his first message and there is:
>
> Delivered-To: mailing list users@openoffice.apache.org
> Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.apache.org
>
> Same for his second post BTW.
> So I still think that he's still not subscribed.
>
> Hagar
>
>
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Le 18/02/2015 01:06, Martin Groenescheij a écrit :
>
> On 18-Feb-15 09:47, Hagar Delest wrote:
>> Top posting.
>> For the record, OP is not subscribed so he has missed almost all the replies.
>
> For the record, OP was subscribed at the moment he raised the question.
Hmm, how do you see that?
I checked his first message and there is:
Delivered-To: mailing list users@openoffice.apache.org
Delivered-To: moderator for users@openoffice.apache.org
Same for his second post BTW.
So I still think that he's still not subscribed.
Hagar
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
On 18-Feb-15 09:47, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Top posting.
> For the record, OP is not subscribed so he has missed almost all the
> replies.
For the record, OP was subscribed at the moment he raised the question.
> He has one point however, this is a longstanding problem that tells
> that the saving process is not safe enough, see this long list:
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17677#p81363
>
> I had already raised this issue in the past on the dev ML (Dec. 2013)
> but nothing was done I guess.
>
> Hagar
>
>
> Le 14/02/2015 21:47, tom cuypers a écrit :
>> Dear Sir,
>> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of
>> suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
>> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
>> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by
>> letting them work for weeks on documents.
>> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is
>> unfixable.
>> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
>> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
>> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me
>> less time.
>> Regards
>> Tom Cuypers
>>
>
>
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
Top posting.
For the record, OP is not subscribed so he has missed almost all the replies.
He has one point however, this is a longstanding problem that tells that the saving process is not safe enough, see this long list: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17677#p81363
I had already raised this issue in the past on the dev ML (Dec. 2013) but nothing was done I guess.
Hagar
Le 14/02/2015 21:47, tom cuypers a écrit :
> Dear Sir,
>
> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by letting them work for weeks on documents.
> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is unfixable.
> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less time.
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Cuypers
>
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
Please reffer to my blog guide on securing your files with AOO:
http://alexandrocolorado.com/2015/02/01/how-to-never-loose-work-in-apache-openoffice/
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:47 PM, tom cuypers <to...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of
> suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by
> letting them work for weeks on documents.
> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is
> unfixable.
> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less
> time.
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Cuypers
>
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Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
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Re: odt-file, ascii filter, series of pounds
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 02/14/2015 03:47 PM, tom cuypers wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> how did you solve this well-known problem? I've seen a series of suggestions, but none will fix the problem.
> Renaming and Unzipping doesn't help.
> I can't understand how a program is allowed to ruin people's life by letting them work for weeks on documents.
> Comments on the forum say when a file is corrupted, the problem is unfixable.
> BUT IF A FILE IS SAVED ONCE ELECTRONICALLY, HOW CAN IT DISAPPEAR?
> I won't be using your program again untill this problem is fixed.
> I'm even thinking about buying a typewriter again, that will cost me less time.
>
> Regards
>
> Tom Cuypers
>
>
I haven't lost anything with SoftMakerOffice Textmaker. I have the version that I paid for; there is a freebie which I'm told is
missing some useful stuff. I gave up on the OO and LO programs when LO, at least, started to think it was a desktop publisher.
All I need is a simple word processor, how about you? (SoftMaker comes with a spreadsheet program and a slide maker also.)
--doug
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