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Posted to dev@maven.apache.org by Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> on 2013/01/01 12:42:28 UTC
Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
+1
I think we should keep the old left-hand menu, like what we've done over at
Mojo.
/Anders
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jesse Farinacci <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kristian Rosenvold
> <kr...@zenior.no> wrote:
> > There was a comment about this in the surefire release (
> > (http://maven.apache.org/surefire/maven-surefire-plugin/),
> > so I figured we might as well get on with this discussion.
>
> I don't disagree with any of what you had to say. I think that the new
> fluido skin is quite an improvement. However, I find that users
> respond better to both the old left-nav plus the top-nav system that
> is optional with the fluido skin.
>
> There's a long history in Maven site chronology where navigation is
> found on the left in a boxy area. To move away from that in just one
> generation is too much change for users to handle.
>
> -Jesse
>
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org>.
I agree.
On 2013-01-01 12:42, Anders Hammar wrote:
> +1
> I think we should keep the old left-hand menu, like what we've done over at
> Mojo.
>
> /Anders
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jesse Farinacci <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kristian Rosenvold
>> <kr...@zenior.no> wrote:
>>> There was a comment about this in the surefire release (
>>> (http://maven.apache.org/surefire/maven-surefire-plugin/),
>>> so I figured we might as well get on with this discussion.
>>
>> I don't disagree with any of what you had to say. I think that the new
>> fluido skin is quite an improvement. However, I find that users
>> respond better to both the old left-nav plus the top-nav system that
>> is optional with the fluido skin.
>>
>> There's a long history in Maven site chronology where navigation is
>> found on the left in a boxy area. To move away from that in just one
>> generation is too much change for users to handle.
>>
>> -Jesse
>>
>> --
>> There are 10 types of people in this world, those
>> that can read binary and those that can not.
>>
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Robert Scholte <rf...@apache.org>.
I'd prefer the sidebar (alone) as well.
I've just verified that I can easily reskin the site, so it shouldn't be
too hard to remove it from existing pages.
Compare these 2 sites:
http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-clean-plugin/
http://maven.apache.org/plugins-archives/maven-clean-plugin-2.5/
( differences are very subtle, but I can name at least 3 )
Robert
Op Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:55:11 +0100 schreef Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>:
> +1
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
>
>> +1
>> I think we should keep the old left-hand menu, like what we've done
>> over at
>> Mojo.
>>
>> /Anders
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jesse Farinacci <ji...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kristian Rosenvold
>> > <kr...@zenior.no> wrote:
>> > > There was a comment about this in the surefire release (
>> > > (http://maven.apache.org/surefire/maven-surefire-plugin/),
>> > > so I figured we might as well get on with this discussion.
>> >
>> > I don't disagree with any of what you had to say. I think that the new
>> > fluido skin is quite an improvement. However, I find that users
>> > respond better to both the old left-nav plus the top-nav system that
>> > is optional with the fluido skin.
>> >
>> > There's a long history in Maven site chronology where navigation is
>> > found on the left in a boxy area. To move away from that in just one
>> > generation is too much change for users to handle.
>> >
>> > -Jesse
>> >
>> > --
>> > There are 10 types of people in this world, those
>> > that can read binary and those that can not.
>> >
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Brian Fox <br...@infinity.nu>.
+1
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> +1
> I think we should keep the old left-hand menu, like what we've done over at
> Mojo.
>
> /Anders
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jesse Farinacci <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kristian Rosenvold
> > <kr...@zenior.no> wrote:
> > > There was a comment about this in the surefire release (
> > > (http://maven.apache.org/surefire/maven-surefire-plugin/),
> > > so I figured we might as well get on with this discussion.
> >
> > I don't disagree with any of what you had to say. I think that the new
> > fluido skin is quite an improvement. However, I find that users
> > respond better to both the old left-nav plus the top-nav system that
> > is optional with the fluido skin.
> >
> > There's a long history in Maven site chronology where navigation is
> > found on the left in a boxy area. To move away from that in just one
> > generation is too much change for users to handle.
> >
> > -Jesse
> >
> > --
> > There are 10 types of people in this world, those
> > that can read binary and those that can not.
> >
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net>.
> a first step would be to have both bars, instead of top bar replacing left
> one
>
I'm not so sure about this. The basic knowledge I have about UI design is
to never have more than one way to initiate an action. I'm thinking that if
we have to both menu bars showing the same items it will confuse the users.
So, I think we need to make a decision. But we could start with keeping the
old structure (like we've done over at Mojo) OR we do a menu structure
change. Personally I don't think there is much benefit in changing the
structure people are used to. I think we should appreciate that there are
lots of plugin sites out there which uses the other skins and thus have the
left hand menu. Consistency is good!
/Anders
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le mardi 1 janvier 2013 19:30:13 Jesse Farinacci a écrit :
> > Greetings,
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>
> wrote:
> > > IMHO, top bar menu isn't ready for the moment: still need to find an
> idea
> > > to make it efficient
> >
> > Perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to abandon the top navigation
> > menu.
> > > for the moment, I stringly prefer to stay with the classic left column
> > > placement
> >
> > Yep, I prefer the left navigation also, and I find my users also
> > prefer it. However, the fluido skin allows to easily provide both.
> > Let's keep people getting used to the top navigation system as well.
> > It doesn't kill off that much screen real estate, and it shows off
> > some newish features.
> >
> > -Jesse
>
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
yes, we must avoid the "it was better before" effect then do nothing but tell
the problems to find a solution
to me, left-side menu is good for most used links, ie "Overview", "Examples"
and "Modules"
top bar is good for less used links: "Poject Documentation", "Maven Projects",
"ASF"
I don't know if we can actually dispatch menus in bars
a first step would be to have both bars, instead of top bar replacing left one
Regards,
Hervé
Le mardi 1 janvier 2013 19:30:13 Jesse Farinacci a écrit :
> Greetings,
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr> wrote:
> > IMHO, top bar menu isn't ready for the moment: still need to find an idea
> > to make it efficient
>
> Perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to abandon the top navigation
> menu.
> > for the moment, I stringly prefer to stay with the classic left column
> > placement
>
> Yep, I prefer the left navigation also, and I find my users also
> prefer it. However, the fluido skin allows to easily provide both.
> Let's keep people getting used to the top navigation system as well.
> It doesn't kill off that much screen real estate, and it shows off
> some newish features.
>
> -Jesse
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Jesse Farinacci <ji...@gmail.com>.
Greetings,
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr> wrote:
> IMHO, top bar menu isn't ready for the moment: still need to find an idea to
> make it efficient
Perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to abandon the top navigation menu.
> for the moment, I stringly prefer to stay with the classic left column
> placement
Yep, I prefer the left navigation also, and I find my users also
prefer it. However, the fluido skin allows to easily provide both.
Let's keep people getting used to the top navigation system as well.
It doesn't kill off that much screen real estate, and it shows off
some newish features.
-Jesse
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
yes, an next times, it's just inefficient to navigate: we need some menus opened
by default
IMHO, top bar menu isn't ready for the moment: still need to find an idea to
make it efficient
for the moment, I stringly prefer to stay with the classic left column
placement
Regards,
Hervé
Le mercredi 2 janvier 2013 10:22:20 Chris Graham a écrit :
> +1 for the old placement.
> The first time I saw it, it threw me as I though that all of the content had
> been lost.
>
> -Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 01/01/2013, at 10:42 PM, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> > +1
> > I think we should keep the old left-hand menu, like what we've done over
> > at
> > Mojo.
> >
> > /Anders
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jesse Farinacci <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kristian Rosenvold
> >>
> >> <kr...@zenior.no> wrote:
> >>> There was a comment about this in the surefire release (
> >>> (http://maven.apache.org/surefire/maven-surefire-plugin/),
> >>> so I figured we might as well get on with this discussion.
> >>
> >> I don't disagree with any of what you had to say. I think that the new
> >> fluido skin is quite an improvement. However, I find that users
> >> respond better to both the old left-nav plus the top-nav system that
> >> is optional with the fluido skin.
> >>
> >> There's a long history in Maven site chronology where navigation is
> >> found on the left in a boxy area. To move away from that in just one
> >> generation is too much change for users to handle.
> >>
> >> -Jesse
> >>
> >> --
> >> There are 10 types of people in this world, those
> >> that can read binary and those that can not.
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Re: Top navbar on the site with fluido
Posted by Chris Graham <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1 for the old placement.
The first time I saw it, it threw me as I though that all of the content had been lost.
-Chris
Sent from my iPhone
On 01/01/2013, at 10:42 PM, Anders Hammar <an...@hammar.net> wrote:
> +1
> I think we should keep the old left-hand menu, like what we've done over at
> Mojo.
>
> /Anders
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jesse Farinacci <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Kristian Rosenvold
>> <kr...@zenior.no> wrote:
>>> There was a comment about this in the surefire release (
>>> (http://maven.apache.org/surefire/maven-surefire-plugin/),
>>> so I figured we might as well get on with this discussion.
>>
>> I don't disagree with any of what you had to say. I think that the new
>> fluido skin is quite an improvement. However, I find that users
>> respond better to both the old left-nav plus the top-nav system that
>> is optional with the fluido skin.
>>
>> There's a long history in Maven site chronology where navigation is
>> found on the left in a boxy area. To move away from that in just one
>> generation is too much change for users to handle.
>>
>> -Jesse
>>
>> --
>> There are 10 types of people in this world, those
>> that can read binary and those that can not.
>>
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