Re: Incubator report due by July 4th

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

We had a similar situation with a podling called Yoko.  It was related to Geronimo but it was difficult to get people interested in participating in the podling.  So, what we did was move the podling into Geronimo.

This is one option for this project.  More specifically, maybe we can move the code base into Hadoop, if they're amenable to the idea.

Other than that, I am of the strong opinion that this project has had more than enough time to get off the ground.  Lurkers, now is the time to come out of the woodwork! 


Regards,
Alan

 


On Jun 29, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Eric Yang wrote:

> I talk to Chris in Hadoop summit, and I think there is still chance
> for Chukwa to continue.  It seems like the user base is developing, it
> was advertised by Netflix that they use Chukwa in Hadoop summit talk
> and Chukwa talked about in various presentations.  There are 46 people
> that has Chukwa skill set on linkedin as oppose to 32 from 4 month
> ago.  I think it is showing a steady pace of gaining momentum.
> Perhaps, I think we should give it more time.
> 
> regards,
> Eric
> 
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Bernd Fondermann
> <be...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Eric Yang <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> Report is ready for review.  Thanks for the reminder.
>> 
>> The plan of retiring the podling after the next release is not mentioned.
>> Has this plan been changed?
>> 
>>  Bernd

Re: Incubator report due by July 4th

[Eric Yang <er...@gmail.com>]

I rest my case with Chris and Alan's advices.  Do we still want to do 0.6 release to contain contributor's work?  I am at crunch mode at work, and it would be helpful if someone could make a release of the out standing patches.  Thanks

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On Jul 2, 2012, at 9:19 PM, "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Chris Douglas wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>> This is one option for this project.  More specifically, maybe we can move the code base into Hadoop, if they're amenable to the idea.
>> 
>> Feel free to ask, but becoming a Hadoop subproject again is not viable
>> in my opinion. Nobody on the Hadoop PMC is knowledgeable about Chukwa
>> and, frankly, that is unlikely to change; passing a release vote will
>> be obnoxiously difficult. Hadoop cannot be an "umbrella" project and
>> it cannot absorb all, most, or even many of the current, related
>> incubator projects. The options for Chukwa are continued incubation or
>> the attic.
>> 
>> It's great to hear that it's being used, but its development community
>> in Apache has shrunk since incubation began. We can't keep extending
>> incubation unless we have some more activity, here. Apache isn't a
>> hosting service; there are plenty of places that do a better job of
>> that.
>> 
>> We set some goals for Chukwa that are not satisfied. We can resurrect
>> this project at the ASF if our optimism is well-founded and a
>> community develops, but this incubation has run its course. -C
> 
> What you say makes sense to me.  
> 
> I wonder if another option is Apache Labs.   Eric could tinker around on it there.  Of course one cannot publish release but then you can't do that either when the project is in the attic.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Alan
> 

Re: Incubator report due by July 4th

["Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>]

On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Chris Douglas wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> This is one option for this project.  More specifically, maybe we can move the code base into Hadoop, if they're amenable to the idea.
> 
> Feel free to ask, but becoming a Hadoop subproject again is not viable
> in my opinion. Nobody on the Hadoop PMC is knowledgeable about Chukwa
> and, frankly, that is unlikely to change; passing a release vote will
> be obnoxiously difficult. Hadoop cannot be an "umbrella" project and
> it cannot absorb all, most, or even many of the current, related
> incubator projects. The options for Chukwa are continued incubation or
> the attic.
> 
> It's great to hear that it's being used, but its development community
> in Apache has shrunk since incubation began. We can't keep extending
> incubation unless we have some more activity, here. Apache isn't a
> hosting service; there are plenty of places that do a better job of
> that.
> 
> We set some goals for Chukwa that are not satisfied. We can resurrect
> this project at the ASF if our optimism is well-founded and a
> community develops, but this incubation has run its course. -C

What you say makes sense to me.  

I wonder if another option is Apache Labs.   Eric could tinker around on it there.  Of course one cannot publish release but then you can't do that either when the project is in the attic.


Regards,
Alan

 

Re: Incubator report due by July 4th

[Chris Douglas <cd...@apache.org>]

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> This is one option for this project.  More specifically, maybe we can move the code base into Hadoop, if they're amenable to the idea.

Feel free to ask, but becoming a Hadoop subproject again is not viable
in my opinion. Nobody on the Hadoop PMC is knowledgeable about Chukwa
and, frankly, that is unlikely to change; passing a release vote will
be obnoxiously difficult. Hadoop cannot be an "umbrella" project and
it cannot absorb all, most, or even many of the current, related
incubator projects. The options for Chukwa are continued incubation or
the attic.

It's great to hear that it's being used, but its development community
in Apache has shrunk since incubation began. We can't keep extending
incubation unless we have some more activity, here. Apache isn't a
hosting service; there are plenty of places that do a better job of
that.

We set some goals for Chukwa that are not satisfied. We can resurrect
this project at the ASF if our optimism is well-founded and a
community develops, but this incubation has run its course. -C

> On Jun 29, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Eric Yang wrote:
>
>> I talk to Chris in Hadoop summit, and I think there is still chance
>> for Chukwa to continue.  It seems like the user base is developing, it
>> was advertised by Netflix that they use Chukwa in Hadoop summit talk
>> and Chukwa talked about in various presentations.  There are 46 people
>> that has Chukwa skill set on linkedin as oppose to 32 from 4 month
>> ago.  I think it is showing a steady pace of gaining momentum.
>> Perhaps, I think we should give it more time.
>>
>> regards,
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Bernd Fondermann
>> <be...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Eric Yang <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>>
>>>> Report is ready for review.  Thanks for the reminder.
>>>
>>> The plan of retiring the podling after the next release is not mentioned.
>>> Has this plan been changed?
>>>
>>>  Bernd
>