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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org> on 2002/05/16 16:11:30 UTC
Re: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforce
copyright?
Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the "stolen" bits? Both ours and the
"illegal" copy... I believe that we can have someone to write to the
offending party and maybe reason with them?
Pier
"Berin Loritsch" <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for them to act
> (they called my home, they sent a message to webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
>
> The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I think he was
> referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the actual specifics
> I am trying to get from the person.
>
> Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation verbatim, ripped
> my name off, and put his own. The documentation is specifically released
> under the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say documentation instead of software).
> The documentation has been donated to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically
> Avalon.
>
> From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al Schlessinger,
> the top lawyer in the field), the copyright is only as good as its
> enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with sharing the information,
> and donating it to the ASF where it is free to be distributed at will. I do
> have a problem when someone without talent rips off work and passes it off as
> their own. To this kind of person, I can tell them to grow some balls and
> learn how to write for themselves.
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforcecopyright?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
After finally closing the loop with the person, I found out that the
document was an internal company document "protected" by NDA.
The person who contacted me was a project manager, and discovered
it by someone else's prompting. I reminded the gentleman that the
source document is protected by the ASL, which generally states that
if you do not change it you can distribute it freely.
I asked him to restore the original "by-line", and he was happy with
that.
There is no public URL to review the stolen bit. Apparently, it was
a total of 12 pages ripped off (not just a bit), and appended with
a rip off of another document from OSS(?).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:pier@betaversion.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:12 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Cc: 'Avalon Developer's List'
> Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to
> enforcecopyright?
>
>
> Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the "stolen" bits?
> Both ours and the "illegal" copy... I believe that we can
> have someone to write to the offending party and maybe
> reason with them?
>
> Pier
>
> "Berin Loritsch" <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for
> > them to act (they called my home, they sent a message to
> > webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> > etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
> >
> > The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I
> think he
> > was referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the
> > actual specifics I am trying to get from the person.
> >
> > Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation
> > verbatim, ripped my name off, and put his own. The
> documentation is
> > specifically released under the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say
> > documentation instead of software). The documentation has
> been donated
> > to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically Avalon.
> >
> > From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al
> > Schlessinger, the top lawyer in the field), the copyright
> is only as
> > good as its enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with
> > sharing the information, and donating it to the ASF where
> it is free
> > to be distributed at will. I do have a problem when
> someone without
> > talent rips off work and passes it off as their own. To
> this kind of
> > person, I can tell them to grow some balls and learn how to
> write for
> > themselves.
>
>
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RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforcecopyright?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
After finally closing the loop with the person, I found out that the
document was an internal company document "protected" by NDA.
The person who contacted me was a project manager, and discovered
it by someone else's prompting. I reminded the gentleman that the
source document is protected by the ASL, which generally states that
if you do not change it you can distribute it freely.
I asked him to restore the original "by-line", and he was happy with
that.
There is no public URL to review the stolen bit. Apparently, it was
a total of 12 pages ripped off (not just a bit), and appended with
a rip off of another document from OSS(?).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:pier@betaversion.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:12 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Cc: 'Avalon Developer's List'
> Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to
> enforcecopyright?
>
>
> Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the "stolen" bits?
> Both ours and the "illegal" copy... I believe that we can
> have someone to write to the offending party and maybe
> reason with them?
>
> Pier
>
> "Berin Loritsch" <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I have been informed by someone who felt it was very necessary for
> > them to act (they called my home, they sent a message to
> > webmaster@jakarta.apache.org,
> > etc.) about a straight up violation of copyright and plagerism.
> >
> > The Jakarta documentation in question is the Avalon docs (I
> think he
> > was referring to the "Developing with Avalon" documentation), the
> > actual specifics I am trying to get from the person.
> >
> > Basically, He reported that someone grabbed the documentation
> > verbatim, ripped my name off, and put his own. The
> documentation is
> > specifically released under the ASL 1.1 (modified only to say
> > documentation instead of software). The documentation has
> been donated
> > to the ASF, Jakarta, and specifically Avalon.
> >
> > From what I know of copyright (I studied it for a week under Al
> > Schlessinger, the top lawyer in the field), the copyright
> is only as
> > good as its enforcement. I personally do not have a problem with
> > sharing the information, and donating it to the ASF where
> it is free
> > to be distributed at will. I do have a problem when
> someone without
> > talent rips off work and passes it off as their own. To
> this kind of
> > person, I can tell them to grow some balls and learn how to
> write for
> > themselves.
>
>
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