You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to dev@hop.apache.org by Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org> on 2024/10/07 13:42:47 UTC
[DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Dear Hoppers,
As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
the community members can work together and interact.
In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
Mattermost chat [1].
A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly available
and not indexable by search engines.
c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs and
samples.
To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
chat:
a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of the
source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
project's source code and issues
b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
engines
c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
Let's start the discussion!
[1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
[2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
[3] https://github.com/features/discussions
[4] https://github.com/apache/hop
Regards,
Bart
Re: [DISCUSS][CLOSED] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>.
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for your feedback, this discussion is now closed.
We didn't receive any objections against moving away from Mattermost in
favor of GitHub Discussions and a #hop channel on the ASF Slack workspace.
The current Mattermost will remain available until the end of the year
while we start preparing the practical side of things.
We'll post an update about this discussion on the Apache Hop blog to notify
Apache Hop community members who aren't subscribed to the Apache Hop
mailing lists.
Thank you to everyone who participated in this discussion!
Regards,
Bart
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:06 AM Adalennis Buchillón Soris <
adalennis89@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> +1 for moving to GitHub Discussions. I also think that setting a clear
> format for questions would help provide more context and improve the
> overall quality of discussions.
>
> +1 as well for adding a Slack channel in the ASF Slack workspace.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adalennis
>
> El jue, 10 oct 2024 a las 23:18, Sergio Ramazzina (<sr...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> +1 for me on using GitHub discussions and keeping Slack channel for the
>> social aspects of the community
>>
>> Sergio
>>
>> Inviato da iPad
>>
>> > Il giorno 7 ott 2024, alle ore 15:43, Bart Maertens <
>> bartmaer@apache.org> ha scritto:
>> >
>> > Dear Hoppers,
>> >
>> > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and
>> how
>> > the community members can work together and interact.
>> >
>> > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider
>> the
>> > Mattermost chat [1].
>> >
>> > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
>> > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it
>> be).
>> > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
>> available
>> > and not indexable by search engines.
>> > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like
>> them
>> > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
>> > questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples.
>> Check
>> > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs
>> and
>> > samples.
>> >
>> > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
>> > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our
>> GitHub
>> > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
>> >
>> > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
>> > chat:
>> > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of
>> the
>> > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
>> > project's source code and issues
>> > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
>> > engines
>> > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
>> >
>> > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're
>> eager
>> > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
>> > Let's start the discussion!
>> >
>> > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
>> > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
>> > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
>> > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Bart
>>
>
>
> --
> Adalennis Buchillón Soris
>
> *Datavin3 <https://www.linkedin.com/company/datavin3/>'s writer and
> instructor*
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS][CLOSED] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>.
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for your feedback, this discussion is now closed.
We didn't receive any objections against moving away from Mattermost in
favor of GitHub Discussions and a #hop channel on the ASF Slack workspace.
The current Mattermost will remain available until the end of the year
while we start preparing the practical side of things.
We'll post an update about this discussion on the Apache Hop blog to notify
Apache Hop community members who aren't subscribed to the Apache Hop
mailing lists.
Thank you to everyone who participated in this discussion!
Regards,
Bart
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 9:06 AM Adalennis Buchillón Soris <
adalennis89@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> +1 for moving to GitHub Discussions. I also think that setting a clear
> format for questions would help provide more context and improve the
> overall quality of discussions.
>
> +1 as well for adding a Slack channel in the ASF Slack workspace.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adalennis
>
> El jue, 10 oct 2024 a las 23:18, Sergio Ramazzina (<sr...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> +1 for me on using GitHub discussions and keeping Slack channel for the
>> social aspects of the community
>>
>> Sergio
>>
>> Inviato da iPad
>>
>> > Il giorno 7 ott 2024, alle ore 15:43, Bart Maertens <
>> bartmaer@apache.org> ha scritto:
>> >
>> > Dear Hoppers,
>> >
>> > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and
>> how
>> > the community members can work together and interact.
>> >
>> > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider
>> the
>> > Mattermost chat [1].
>> >
>> > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
>> > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it
>> be).
>> > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
>> available
>> > and not indexable by search engines.
>> > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like
>> them
>> > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
>> > questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples.
>> Check
>> > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs
>> and
>> > samples.
>> >
>> > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
>> > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our
>> GitHub
>> > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
>> >
>> > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
>> > chat:
>> > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of
>> the
>> > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
>> > project's source code and issues
>> > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
>> > engines
>> > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
>> >
>> > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're
>> eager
>> > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
>> > Let's start the discussion!
>> >
>> > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
>> > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
>> > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
>> > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Bart
>>
>
>
> --
> Adalennis Buchillón Soris
>
> *Datavin3 <https://www.linkedin.com/company/datavin3/>'s writer and
> instructor*
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Adalennis Buchillón Soris <ad...@gmail.com>.
Hi
+1 for moving to GitHub Discussions. I also think that setting a clear
format for questions would help provide more context and improve the
overall quality of discussions.
+1 as well for adding a Slack channel in the ASF Slack workspace.
Cheers,
Adalennis
El jue, 10 oct 2024 a las 23:18, Sergio Ramazzina (<sr...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> +1 for me on using GitHub discussions and keeping Slack channel for the
> social aspects of the community
>
> Sergio
>
> Inviato da iPad
>
> > Il giorno 7 ott 2024, alle ore 15:43, Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>
> ha scritto:
> >
> > Dear Hoppers,
> >
> > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> > the community members can work together and interact.
> >
> > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> > Mattermost chat [1].
> >
> > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
> available
> > and not indexable by search engines.
> > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> > questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs
> and
> > samples.
> >
> > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
> >
> > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> > chat:
> > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of
> the
> > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> > project's source code and issues
> > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> > engines
> > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
> >
> > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> > Let's start the discussion!
> >
> > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bart
>
--
Adalennis Buchillón Soris
*Datavin3 <https://www.linkedin.com/company/datavin3/>'s writer and
instructor*
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Adalennis Buchillón Soris <ad...@gmail.com>.
Hi
+1 for moving to GitHub Discussions. I also think that setting a clear
format for questions would help provide more context and improve the
overall quality of discussions.
+1 as well for adding a Slack channel in the ASF Slack workspace.
Cheers,
Adalennis
El jue, 10 oct 2024 a las 23:18, Sergio Ramazzina (<sr...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> +1 for me on using GitHub discussions and keeping Slack channel for the
> social aspects of the community
>
> Sergio
>
> Inviato da iPad
>
> > Il giorno 7 ott 2024, alle ore 15:43, Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>
> ha scritto:
> >
> > Dear Hoppers,
> >
> > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> > the community members can work together and interact.
> >
> > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> > Mattermost chat [1].
> >
> > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
> available
> > and not indexable by search engines.
> > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> > questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs
> and
> > samples.
> >
> > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
> >
> > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> > chat:
> > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of
> the
> > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> > project's source code and issues
> > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> > engines
> > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
> >
> > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> > Let's start the discussion!
> >
> > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bart
>
--
Adalennis Buchillón Soris
*Datavin3 <https://www.linkedin.com/company/datavin3/>'s writer and
instructor*
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Sergio Ramazzina <sr...@gmail.com>.
+1 for me on using GitHub discussions and keeping Slack channel for the social aspects of the community
Sergio
Inviato da iPad
> Il giorno 7 ott 2024, alle ore 15:43, Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org> ha scritto:
>
> Dear Hoppers,
>
> As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> the community members can work together and interact.
>
> In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> Mattermost chat [1].
>
> A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly available
> and not indexable by search engines.
> c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs and
> samples.
>
> To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
>
> GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> chat:
> a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of the
> source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> project's source code and issues
> b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> engines
> c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
>
> The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> Let's start the discussion!
>
> [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
>
> Regards,
> Bart
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Francois Papon <fr...@openobject.fr>.
Hi all,
+1 for moving to GitHub discussion.
I think it's also possible to create a GitHub issue from a discussion so it can be very useful.
+1 also for the Slack channel (ASF Slack workspace).
regards,
François
fpapon@apache.org
francois.papon@openobject.fr
Le 10/10/2024 à 14:51, Matt Casters a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> To be honest, I've been having trouble with the Mattermost client. On and
> off, it's been a bit of a struggle. So, slack is fine for me as well.
> I'm also in favor of opening up the github discussions area for the Hop
> repository.
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
>
> Op do 10 okt 2024 om 08:21 schreef Hans Van Akelyen <
> hans.van.akelyen@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Bart,
>>
>> I am in favour of moving to GitHub discussions and moving the more
>> informal conversations to a slack channel.
>> Having questions marked as solved and publicly available will indirectly
>> improve the overal documentation available for the project.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>> On 8 Oct 2024 at 08:33 +0200, Bart Maertens<ba...@apache.org>, wrote:
>>> Hi Brandon,
>>>
>>> GitHub Discussions are different from GitHub issues. Discussions can be
>>> around a ticket or issue, but are generally more about discussing
>>> functionality, features and problems people may have in the use of the
>>> available functionality.
>>>
>>> Have a look at the "Get Inspired" section on the GitHub Discussions page
>>> [1] or this example of a lengthy thread on the Next.js GitHub Discussions
>>> [2].
>>> The longer-form-questions in GitHub Discussions provide a hybrid between
>>> direct chat and a more forum-like style of interacting, which imho will
>>> improve the quality of the questions and answers, as described in (c) in
>> my
>>> initial post.
>>>
>>> I understand and agree with your point that the social aspect may be
>> lower
>>> on GitHub Discussions.
>>> Even though that argument is valid, I don't know if it justifies running
>> an
>>> entire Mattermost server.
>>> We could consider creating a #hop channel in the ASF Slack workspace [3]
>>> and move the social and more informal part of the discussions there.
>>>
>>> [1]https://github.com/features/discussions
>>> [2]https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/46722
>>> [3]https://the-asf.slack.com/
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 5:27 AM Brandon Jackson<us...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> I like the idea of Question/Answer discussions going to Github; but I
>> would
>>>> still like to be able to chat with friends on Mattermost.
>>>> Where would the social aspect be? I see people using github issues for
>>>> what I think you are suggesting as discussions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 8:43 AM Bart Maertens<ba...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Hoppers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop
>> and how
>>>>>> the community members can work together and interact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to
>> reconsider the
>>>>>> Mattermost chat [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
>>>>>> a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can
>> it be).
>>>>>> b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
>>>> available
>>>>>> and not indexable by search engines.
>>>>>> c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd
>> like them
>>>>>> to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
>>>>>> questions that should be answered in the documentation and
>> samples. Check
>>>>>> out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the
>> docs
>>>> and
>>>>>> samples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly
>> available
>>>>>> platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our
>> GitHub
>>>>>> repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current
>> Mattermost
>>>>>> chat:
>>>>>> a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are
>> part of
>>>> the
>>>>>> source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible
>> to the
>>>>>> project's source code and issues
>>>>>> b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by
>> search
>>>>>> engines
>>>>>> c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion,
>> we're eager
>>>>>> to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
>>>>>> Let's start the discussion!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]https://chat.project-hop.org.
>>>>>> [2]https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
>>>>>> [3]https://github.com/features/discussions
>>>>>> [4]https://github.com/apache/hop
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Matt Casters <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
To be honest, I've been having trouble with the Mattermost client. On and
off, it's been a bit of a struggle. So, slack is fine for me as well.
I'm also in favor of opening up the github discussions area for the Hop
repository.
Cheers,
Matt
Op do 10 okt 2024 om 08:21 schreef Hans Van Akelyen <
hans.van.akelyen@gmail.com>:
> Hi Bart,
>
> I am in favour of moving to GitHub discussions and moving the more
> informal conversations to a slack channel.
> Having questions marked as solved and publicly available will indirectly
> improve the overal documentation available for the project.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans
> On 8 Oct 2024 at 08:33 +0200, Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>, wrote:
> > Hi Brandon,
> >
> > GitHub Discussions are different from GitHub issues. Discussions can be
> > around a ticket or issue, but are generally more about discussing
> > functionality, features and problems people may have in the use of the
> > available functionality.
> >
> > Have a look at the "Get Inspired" section on the GitHub Discussions page
> > [1] or this example of a lengthy thread on the Next.js GitHub Discussions
> > [2].
> > The longer-form-questions in GitHub Discussions provide a hybrid between
> > direct chat and a more forum-like style of interacting, which imho will
> > improve the quality of the questions and answers, as described in (c) in
> my
> > initial post.
> >
> > I understand and agree with your point that the social aspect may be
> lower
> > on GitHub Discussions.
> > Even though that argument is valid, I don't know if it justifies running
> an
> > entire Mattermost server.
> > We could consider creating a #hop channel in the ASF Slack workspace [3]
> > and move the social and more informal part of the discussions there.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/features/discussions
> > [2] https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/46722
> > [3] https://the-asf.slack.com/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bart
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 5:27 AM Brandon Jackson <us...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I like the idea of Question/Answer discussions going to Github; but I
> would
> > > still like to be able to chat with friends on Mattermost.
> > > Where would the social aspect be? I see people using github issues for
> > > what I think you are suggesting as discussions.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 8:43 AM Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Dear Hoppers,
> > > > >
> > > > > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop
> and how
> > > > > the community members can work together and interact.
> > > > >
> > > > > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to
> reconsider the
> > > > > Mattermost chat [1].
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> > > > > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can
> it be).
> > > > > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
> > > available
> > > > > and not indexable by search engines.
> > > > > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd
> like them
> > > > > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> > > > > questions that should be answered in the documentation and
> samples. Check
> > > > > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the
> docs
> > > and
> > > > > samples.
> > > > >
> > > > > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly
> available
> > > > > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our
> GitHub
> > > > > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
> > > > >
> > > > > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current
> Mattermost
> > > > > chat:
> > > > > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are
> part of
> > > the
> > > > > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible
> to the
> > > > > project's source code and issues
> > > > > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by
> search
> > > > > engines
> > > > > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion,
> we're eager
> > > > > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> > > > > Let's start the discussion!
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> > > > > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> > > > > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> > > > > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Bart
> > > > >
> > >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Hans Van Akelyen <ha...@gmail.com>.
Hi Bart,
I am in favour of moving to GitHub discussions and moving the more informal conversations to a slack channel.
Having questions marked as solved and publicly available will indirectly improve the overal documentation available for the project.
Cheers,
Hans
On 8 Oct 2024 at 08:33 +0200, Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>, wrote:
> Hi Brandon,
>
> GitHub Discussions are different from GitHub issues. Discussions can be
> around a ticket or issue, but are generally more about discussing
> functionality, features and problems people may have in the use of the
> available functionality.
>
> Have a look at the "Get Inspired" section on the GitHub Discussions page
> [1] or this example of a lengthy thread on the Next.js GitHub Discussions
> [2].
> The longer-form-questions in GitHub Discussions provide a hybrid between
> direct chat and a more forum-like style of interacting, which imho will
> improve the quality of the questions and answers, as described in (c) in my
> initial post.
>
> I understand and agree with your point that the social aspect may be lower
> on GitHub Discussions.
> Even though that argument is valid, I don't know if it justifies running an
> entire Mattermost server.
> We could consider creating a #hop channel in the ASF Slack workspace [3]
> and move the social and more informal part of the discussions there.
>
> [1] https://github.com/features/discussions
> [2] https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/46722
> [3] https://the-asf.slack.com/
>
> Regards,
> Bart
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 5:27 AM Brandon Jackson <us...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I like the idea of Question/Answer discussions going to Github; but I would
> > still like to be able to chat with friends on Mattermost.
> > Where would the social aspect be? I see people using github issues for
> > what I think you are suggesting as discussions.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 8:43 AM Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > Dear Hoppers,
> > > >
> > > > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> > > > the community members can work together and interact.
> > > >
> > > > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> > > > Mattermost chat [1].
> > > >
> > > > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> > > > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> > > > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
> > available
> > > > and not indexable by search engines.
> > > > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> > > > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> > > > questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> > > > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs
> > and
> > > > samples.
> > > >
> > > > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> > > > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> > > > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
> > > >
> > > > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> > > > chat:
> > > > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of
> > the
> > > > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> > > > project's source code and issues
> > > > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> > > > engines
> > > > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
> > > >
> > > > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> > > > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> > > > Let's start the discussion!
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> > > > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> > > > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> > > > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bart
> > > >
> >
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org>.
Hi Brandon,
GitHub Discussions are different from GitHub issues. Discussions can be
around a ticket or issue, but are generally more about discussing
functionality, features and problems people may have in the use of the
available functionality.
Have a look at the "Get Inspired" section on the GitHub Discussions page
[1] or this example of a lengthy thread on the Next.js GitHub Discussions
[2].
The longer-form-questions in GitHub Discussions provide a hybrid between
direct chat and a more forum-like style of interacting, which imho will
improve the quality of the questions and answers, as described in (c) in my
initial post.
I understand and agree with your point that the social aspect may be lower
on GitHub Discussions.
Even though that argument is valid, I don't know if it justifies running an
entire Mattermost server.
We could consider creating a #hop channel in the ASF Slack workspace [3]
and move the social and more informal part of the discussions there.
[1] https://github.com/features/discussions
[2] https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/46722
[3] https://the-asf.slack.com/
Regards,
Bart
On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 5:27 AM Brandon Jackson <us...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like the idea of Question/Answer discussions going to Github; but I would
> still like to be able to chat with friends on Mattermost.
> Where would the social aspect be? I see people using github issues for
> what I think you are suggesting as discussions.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 8:43 AM Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Hoppers,
> >
> > As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> > the community members can work together and interact.
> >
> > In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> > Mattermost chat [1].
> >
> > A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> > a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> > b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly
> available
> > and not indexable by search engines.
> > c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> > to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> > questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> > out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs
> and
> > samples.
> >
> > To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> > platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> > repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
> >
> > GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> > chat:
> > a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of
> the
> > source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> > project's source code and issues
> > b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> > engines
> > c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
> >
> > The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> > to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> > Let's start the discussion!
> >
> > [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> > [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> > [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> > [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bart
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Brandon Jackson <us...@gmail.com>.
I like the idea of Question/Answer discussions going to Github; but I would
still like to be able to chat with friends on Mattermost.
Where would the social aspect be? I see people using github issues for
what I think you are suggesting as discussions.
On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 8:43 AM Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org> wrote:
> Dear Hoppers,
>
> As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> the community members can work together and interact.
>
> In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> Mattermost chat [1].
>
> A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly available
> and not indexable by search engines.
> c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs and
> samples.
>
> To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
>
> GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> chat:
> a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of the
> source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> project's source code and issues
> b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> engines
> c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
>
> The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> Let's start the discussion!
>
> [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
>
> Regards,
> Bart
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Mattermost chat vs GitHub Discussions
Posted by Sergio Ramazzina <sr...@gmail.com>.
+1 for me on using GitHub discussions and keeping Slack channel for the social aspects of the community
Sergio
Inviato da iPad
> Il giorno 7 ott 2024, alle ore 15:43, Bart Maertens <ba...@apache.org> ha scritto:
>
> Dear Hoppers,
>
> As a community, we're all constantly trying to improve Apache Hop and how
> the community members can work together and interact.
>
> In that regard, we've come to a point where we may need to reconsider the
> Mattermost chat [1].
>
> A couple of observations about the Mattermost chat:
> a) it isn't hosted on an "official" Apache Hop subdomain (nor can it be).
> b) access is open and free, but the chat history is not publicly available
> and not indexable by search engines.
> c) the "quality" of the questions is not always as high as we'd like them
> to be. There are a lot of open-ended or "build my pipeline" type of
> questions that should be answered in the documentation and samples. Check
> out the contribution guides [2] if you'd like to help out with the docs and
> samples.
>
> To improve community interaction on a truly open and publicly available
> platform, we could consider enabling GitHub discussions [3] on our GitHub
> repository [4], and move the Mattermost discussions there.
>
> GitHub Discussions have several advantages over our current Mattermost
> chat:
> a) even though not on an Apache subdomain, the discussions are part of the
> source code repository, and as such, they're as close as possible to the
> project's source code and issues
> b) GitHub Discussions are publicly available and indexable by search
> engines
> c) discussions can be labeled, marked as "Answered" etc.
>
> The switch to GitHub discussions is nothing but a suggestion, we're eager
> to know what your thoughts and suggestions are.
> Let's start the discussion!
>
> [1] https://chat.project-hop.org.
> [2] https://hop.apache.org/community/contributing/
> [3] https://github.com/features/discussions
> [4] https://github.com/apache/hop
>
> Regards,
> Bart