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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> on 2018/09/16 18:46:48 UTC
FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Hi,
I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on FOSDEM
2019.
For more information on the devrooms, please see:
https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
We would need:
-be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask just
for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and I am
sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
-send a proposal (see below)
-have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please see
the link above for more info).
-have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20 September.
So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
----
Title of devroom:
-----------------
Apache NetBeans
Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of Apache
NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
-new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
...
Why does it fit FOSDEM?
-----------------------
Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be an
opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
Relevant URLs:
--------------
https://netbeans.apache.org/
Special requirements:
---------------------
If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major Java-related
events.
---
If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki, so
that we can all edit that.
Thanks,
Jan
Re: FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
I submitted (hope I did it correctly, because no indication of success or
failure after clicking Submit):
Title of devroom: Free Tools and Editors
*Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):*
In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of tools and
editors, while demonstrating and discussing how to hack them, how to
contribute to them, and how to help in improving them. Possible topics
include a look under the hood of tools in such as DukeScript (dukescript.com),
Gluon (gluonhq.com) and Vaadin (vaadin.com), tools for working with Graal (
graalvm.org), as well as editors for PHP, JavaScript, and other languages,
such as Apache NetBeans and IntelliJ IDEA.
*Why does it fit FOSDEM?*
The tools and editors, focused on a variety of technologies, though
overlapping in a variety of ways, deserve a room of their own, where tools
engineers and editor engineers can discuss their common and overlapping
requirements, enabling the fostering of a community in support of languages
and technologies throughout multiple ecosystems. This dev room can be an
opportunity for the developers in this domain to meet, discuss the current
state of their projects, and their roadmaps, while also helping others to
understand the state of these interrelated projects.
Gj
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Peter Nabbefeld <pe...@gmx.de>
wrote:
> Just one point from the web site:
>
> "To this end, we have set up developer rooms (devrooms) with
> network/internet connectivity and projectors where teams can meet and
> showcase their projects. Devrooms are a place for teams to discuss, hack
> and publicly present latest directions, lightning talks, news and
> discussions. We believe developers can benefit a lot from these meetings."
>
> I doubt, one team will be able to present/hack every IDE, so
> specialisation in this area should be okay.
>
> But I agree with Jan, there shouldn't only basic concepts shown, but also
> in-depth hacking (as mentioned in the statement above) - the really
> interesting parts. ;-)
>
> Just my opnion.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> Am 17.09.18 um 06:52 schrieb Jan Lahoda:
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Sure, makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this ends up
>>> being
>>> the stumbling block.
>>>
>>> Maybe the dev room could be called "On Top Of Java" or "Beyond Basic
>>> Java"
>>> or "Java in the Wild" -- and sure, anything built on top of anything else
>>> in the Java ecosystem would be welcome too.
>>>
>>> Geertjan,
>>
>> Please note that last year (and many years before), there was a "Free
>> Java"
>> devroom:
>> https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/track/free_java/
>>
>> So I would bind this proposal too closely to Java, as there may already be
>> proposal(s) for something similar.
>>
>> Anyway, I guess we could try to generalize the proposal, to be e.g. IDE
>> and
>> RCP platforms; the topics could be things like "refactoring", "editors",
>> "building applications (on RCP platforms)", etc.
>>
>> If the proposal would ask for only half-day, would that increase chances
>> to
>> be accepted?
>>
>> (FWIW, in 2018, I see "MySQL and Friends" and "PostgreSQL", but not
>> "relational databases", although I agree those sound like bigger/more
>> generally interesting topics.)
>>
>> Thanks for the comments,
>> Jan
>>
>>
>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 09/16/2018 09:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Note that it's not about Apache NetBeans as an IDE only, at all. It's
>>>>> about
>>>>> Apache NetBeans as a development platform, e.g., take a look at these:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xmqcb8hFQ
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-Pl_SRQVo
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDyEqMSjZ8
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoWrPKs-YM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'm well aware of that, and I don't doubt we could fill all
>>>>
>>> sessions...but
>>>
>>>> it's not me you have to win over :-). The vast majority of devrooms are
>>>> always related to broader topics. There isn't a Jenkins room, it's a "CI
>>>> devroom", no "cloudstack" room (containers/cloud etc), there's no
>>>> mySQL-only or mariadb room, it's "relational databases" and so on. The
>>>> FOSDEM team values broader yet cohesive topics that allow for
>>>>
>>> "competition
>>>
>>>> of minds", and I think it could very well be considered too narrow to
>>>>
>>> just
>>>
>>>> have a devroom about one specific ecosystem.
>>>>
>>>> So to reiterate, I'm personally fully supportive, but I think the
>>>> chances
>>>> of getting a devroom would be substantially greater if the topic is a
>>>> bit
>>>> more encompassing. Just my €0.02 :)
>>>>
>>>> With regards,
>>>> Daniel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on
>>>>>>> FOSDEM
>>>>>>> 2019.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more information on the devrooms, please see:
>>>>>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We would need:
>>>>>>> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>
>>>> am
>>>>>>> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
>>>>>>> -send a proposal (see below)
>>>>>>> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> see
>>>
>>>> the link above for more info).
>>>>>>> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> September.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily
>>>>>> accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is
>>>>>>
>>>>> looking
>>>
>>>> for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would stand a
>>>>>> better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans content, but
>>>>>>
>>>>> due
>>>
>>>> to shortage on space (which there really is these days), the odds of
>>>>>> getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so I'd pool it with
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> IDE topics to make it more feasible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>> Daniel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> Title of devroom:
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible
>>>>>>> topics):
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache
>>>
>>>> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
>>>>>>> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why does it fit FOSDEM?
>>>>>>> -----------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> an
>>>
>>>> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
>>>>>>> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Relevant URLs:
>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>> https://netbeans.apache.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Special requirements:
>>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Java-related
>>>
>>>> events.
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> so
>>>
>>>> that we can all edit that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>>>>>>
>>>>> dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>
>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
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>
>
>
>
Re: FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Posted by Peter Nabbefeld <pe...@gmx.de>.
Just one point from the web site:
"To this end, we have set up developer rooms (devrooms) with
network/internet connectivity and projectors where teams can meet and
showcase their projects. Devrooms are a place for teams to discuss, hack
and publicly present latest directions, lightning talks, news and
discussions. We believe developers can benefit a lot from these meetings."
I doubt, one team will be able to present/hack every IDE, so
specialisation in this area should be okay.
But I agree with Jan, there shouldn't only basic concepts shown, but
also in-depth hacking (as mentioned in the statement above) - the really
interesting parts. ;-)
Just my opnion.
Kind regards
Peter
Am 17.09.18 um 06:52 schrieb Jan Lahoda:
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sure, makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this ends up being
>> the stumbling block.
>>
>> Maybe the dev room could be called "On Top Of Java" or "Beyond Basic Java"
>> or "Java in the Wild" -- and sure, anything built on top of anything else
>> in the Java ecosystem would be welcome too.
>>
> Geertjan,
>
> Please note that last year (and many years before), there was a "Free Java"
> devroom:
> https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/track/free_java/
>
> So I would bind this proposal too closely to Java, as there may already be
> proposal(s) for something similar.
>
> Anyway, I guess we could try to generalize the proposal, to be e.g. IDE and
> RCP platforms; the topics could be things like "refactoring", "editors",
> "building applications (on RCP platforms)", etc.
>
> If the proposal would ask for only half-day, would that increase chances to
> be accepted?
>
> (FWIW, in 2018, I see "MySQL and Friends" and "PostgreSQL", but not
> "relational databases", although I agree those sound like bigger/more
> generally interesting topics.)
>
> Thanks for the comments,
> Jan
>
>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/16/2018 09:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>>> Note that it's not about Apache NetBeans as an IDE only, at all. It's
>>>> about
>>>> Apache NetBeans as a development platform, e.g., take a look at these:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xmqcb8hFQ
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-Pl_SRQVo
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDyEqMSjZ8
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoWrPKs-YM
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm well aware of that, and I don't doubt we could fill all
>> sessions...but
>>> it's not me you have to win over :-). The vast majority of devrooms are
>>> always related to broader topics. There isn't a Jenkins room, it's a "CI
>>> devroom", no "cloudstack" room (containers/cloud etc), there's no
>>> mySQL-only or mariadb room, it's "relational databases" and so on. The
>>> FOSDEM team values broader yet cohesive topics that allow for
>> "competition
>>> of minds", and I think it could very well be considered too narrow to
>> just
>>> have a devroom about one specific ecosystem.
>>>
>>> So to reiterate, I'm personally fully supportive, but I think the chances
>>> of getting a devroom would be substantially greater if the topic is a bit
>>> more encompassing. Just my €0.02 :)
>>>
>>> With regards,
>>> Daniel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on
>>>>>> FOSDEM
>>>>>> 2019.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For more information on the devrooms, please see:
>>>>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would need:
>>>>>> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and
>> I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
>>>>>> -send a proposal (see below)
>>>>>> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please
>> see
>>>>>> the link above for more info).
>>>>>> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20
>> September.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily
>>>>> accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is
>> looking
>>>>> for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would stand a
>>>>> better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans content, but
>> due
>>>>> to shortage on space (which there really is these days), the odds of
>>>>> getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so I'd pool it with
>>>>> other
>>>>> IDE topics to make it more feasible.
>>>>>
>>>>> With regards,
>>>>> Daniel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Title of devroom:
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache NetBeans
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of
>> Apache
>>>>>> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
>>>>>> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why does it fit FOSDEM?
>>>>>> -----------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be
>> an
>>>>>> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
>>>>>> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Relevant URLs:
>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>> https://netbeans.apache.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Special requirements:
>>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major
>> Java-related
>>>>>> events.
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki,
>> so
>>>>>> that we can all edit that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>> dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Sure, makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this ends up being
> the stumbling block.
>
> Maybe the dev room could be called "On Top Of Java" or "Beyond Basic Java"
> or "Java in the Wild" -- and sure, anything built on top of anything else
> in the Java ecosystem would be welcome too.
>
Geertjan,
Please note that last year (and many years before), there was a "Free Java"
devroom:
https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/track/free_java/
So I would bind this proposal too closely to Java, as there may already be
proposal(s) for something similar.
Anyway, I guess we could try to generalize the proposal, to be e.g. IDE and
RCP platforms; the topics could be things like "refactoring", "editors",
"building applications (on RCP platforms)", etc.
If the proposal would ask for only half-day, would that increase chances to
be accepted?
(FWIW, in 2018, I see "MySQL and Friends" and "PostgreSQL", but not
"relational databases", although I agree those sound like bigger/more
generally interesting topics.)
Thanks for the comments,
Jan
> Gj
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On 09/16/2018 09:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >
> >> Note that it's not about Apache NetBeans as an IDE only, at all. It's
> >> about
> >> Apache NetBeans as a development platform, e.g., take a look at these:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xmqcb8hFQ
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-Pl_SRQVo
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDyEqMSjZ8
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoWrPKs-YM
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'm well aware of that, and I don't doubt we could fill all
> sessions...but
> > it's not me you have to win over :-). The vast majority of devrooms are
> > always related to broader topics. There isn't a Jenkins room, it's a "CI
> > devroom", no "cloudstack" room (containers/cloud etc), there's no
> > mySQL-only or mariadb room, it's "relational databases" and so on. The
> > FOSDEM team values broader yet cohesive topics that allow for
> "competition
> > of minds", and I think it could very well be considered too narrow to
> just
> > have a devroom about one specific ecosystem.
> >
> > So to reiterate, I'm personally fully supportive, but I think the chances
> > of getting a devroom would be substantially greater if the topic is a bit
> > more encompassing. Just my €0.02 :)
> >
> > With regards,
> > Daniel.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Gj
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on
> >>>> FOSDEM
> >>>> 2019.
> >>>>
> >>>> For more information on the devrooms, please see:
> >>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
> >>>>
> >>>> We would need:
> >>>> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask
> >>>> just
> >>>> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and
> I
> >>>> am
> >>>> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
> >>>> -send a proposal (see below)
> >>>> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please
> see
> >>>> the link above for more info).
> >>>> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20
> September.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily
> >>> accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is
> looking
> >>> for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would stand a
> >>> better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans content, but
> due
> >>> to shortage on space (which there really is these days), the odds of
> >>> getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so I'd pool it with
> >>> other
> >>> IDE topics to make it more feasible.
> >>>
> >>> With regards,
> >>> Daniel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Title of devroom:
> >>>> -----------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Apache NetBeans
> >>>>
> >>>> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of
> Apache
> >>>> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
> >>>> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Why does it fit FOSDEM?
> >>>> -----------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be
> an
> >>>> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
> >>>> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
> >>>>
> >>>> Relevant URLs:
> >>>> --------------
> >>>> https://netbeans.apache.org/
> >>>>
> >>>> Special requirements:
> >>>> ---------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major
> Java-related
> >>>> events.
> >>>> ---
> >>>>
> >>>> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki,
> so
> >>>> that we can all edit that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Jan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail:
> dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >>>
> >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Sure, makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this ends up being
the stumbling block.
Maybe the dev room could be called "On Top Of Java" or "Beyond Basic Java"
or "Java in the Wild" -- and sure, anything built on top of anything else
in the Java ecosystem would be welcome too.
Gj
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 09/16/2018 09:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
>> Note that it's not about Apache NetBeans as an IDE only, at all. It's
>> about
>> Apache NetBeans as a development platform, e.g., take a look at these:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xmqcb8hFQ
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-Pl_SRQVo
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDyEqMSjZ8
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoWrPKs-YM
>>
>
>
> I'm well aware of that, and I don't doubt we could fill all sessions...but
> it's not me you have to win over :-). The vast majority of devrooms are
> always related to broader topics. There isn't a Jenkins room, it's a "CI
> devroom", no "cloudstack" room (containers/cloud etc), there's no
> mySQL-only or mariadb room, it's "relational databases" and so on. The
> FOSDEM team values broader yet cohesive topics that allow for "competition
> of minds", and I think it could very well be considered too narrow to just
> have a devroom about one specific ecosystem.
>
> So to reiterate, I'm personally fully supportive, but I think the chances
> of getting a devroom would be substantially greater if the topic is a bit
> more encompassing. Just my €0.02 :)
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on
>>>> FOSDEM
>>>> 2019.
>>>>
>>>> For more information on the devrooms, please see:
>>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
>>>>
>>>> We would need:
>>>> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask
>>>> just
>>>> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and I
>>>> am
>>>> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
>>>> -send a proposal (see below)
>>>> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please see
>>>> the link above for more info).
>>>> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
>>>>
>>>> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20 September.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily
>>> accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is looking
>>> for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would stand a
>>> better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans content, but due
>>> to shortage on space (which there really is these days), the odds of
>>> getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so I'd pool it with
>>> other
>>> IDE topics to make it more feasible.
>>>
>>> With regards,
>>> Daniel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
>>>> ----
>>>> Title of devroom:
>>>> -----------------
>>>>
>>>> Apache NetBeans
>>>>
>>>> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of Apache
>>>> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
>>>> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Why does it fit FOSDEM?
>>>> -----------------------
>>>>
>>>> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be an
>>>> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
>>>> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
>>>>
>>>> Relevant URLs:
>>>> --------------
>>>> https://netbeans.apache.org/
>>>>
>>>> Special requirements:
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major Java-related
>>>> events.
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki, so
>>>> that we can all edit that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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Re: FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 09/16/2018 09:01 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Note that it's not about Apache NetBeans as an IDE only, at all. It's about
> Apache NetBeans as a development platform, e.g., take a look at these:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xmqcb8hFQ
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-Pl_SRQVo
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDyEqMSjZ8
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoWrPKs-YM
I'm well aware of that, and I don't doubt we could fill all
sessions...but it's not me you have to win over :-). The vast majority
of devrooms are always related to broader topics. There isn't a Jenkins
room, it's a "CI devroom", no "cloudstack" room (containers/cloud etc),
there's no mySQL-only or mariadb room, it's "relational databases" and
so on. The FOSDEM team values broader yet cohesive topics that allow for
"competition of minds", and I think it could very well be considered too
narrow to just have a devroom about one specific ecosystem.
So to reiterate, I'm personally fully supportive, but I think the
chances of getting a devroom would be substantially greater if the topic
is a bit more encompassing. Just my €0.02 :)
With regards,
Daniel.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on FOSDEM
>>> 2019.
>>>
>>> For more information on the devrooms, please see:
>>> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
>>>
>>> We would need:
>>> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask just
>>> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and I am
>>> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
>>> -send a proposal (see below)
>>> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please see
>>> the link above for more info).
>>> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
>>>
>>> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20 September.
>>>
>>
>> I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily
>> accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is looking
>> for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would stand a
>> better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans content, but due
>> to shortage on space (which there really is these days), the odds of
>> getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so I'd pool it with other
>> IDE topics to make it more feasible.
>>
>> With regards,
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>>
>>> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
>>> ----
>>> Title of devroom:
>>> -----------------
>>>
>>> Apache NetBeans
>>>
>>> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of Apache
>>> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
>>> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Why does it fit FOSDEM?
>>> -----------------------
>>>
>>> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be an
>>> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
>>> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
>>>
>>> Relevant URLs:
>>> --------------
>>> https://netbeans.apache.org/
>>>
>>> Special requirements:
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major Java-related
>>> events.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki, so
>>> that we can all edit that.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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Re: FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Note that it's not about Apache NetBeans as an IDE only, at all. It's about
Apache NetBeans as a development platform, e.g., take a look at these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xmqcb8hFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-Pl_SRQVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYDyEqMSjZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEoWrPKs-YM
Gj
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on FOSDEM
>> 2019.
>>
>> For more information on the devrooms, please see:
>> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
>>
>> We would need:
>> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask just
>> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and I am
>> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
>> -send a proposal (see below)
>> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please see
>> the link above for more info).
>> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
>>
>> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20 September.
>>
>
> I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily
> accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is looking
> for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would stand a
> better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans content, but due
> to shortage on space (which there really is these days), the odds of
> getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so I'd pool it with other
> IDE topics to make it more feasible.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
>
>> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
>> ----
>> Title of devroom:
>> -----------------
>>
>> Apache NetBeans
>>
>> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of Apache
>> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
>> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
>> ...
>>
>> Why does it fit FOSDEM?
>> -----------------------
>>
>> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be an
>> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
>> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
>>
>> Relevant URLs:
>> --------------
>> https://netbeans.apache.org/
>>
>> Special requirements:
>> ---------------------
>>
>> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major Java-related
>> events.
>> ---
>>
>> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki, so
>> that we can all edit that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jan
>>
>>
>
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Re: FOSDEM 2019 devroom
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 09/16/2018 08:46 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if we'd like to propose a devroom about Apache NetBeans on FOSDEM
> 2019.
>
> For more information on the devrooms, please see:
> https://submission.fosdem.org/devroom.php
>
> We would need:
> -be positive we would have 8 hours of content (or 4, if we would ask just
> for a half-day). I myself might be able to talk about Java stuff, and I am
> sure others have some interesting stuff to talk about too.
> -send a proposal (see below)
> -have some volunteers to take care about the room and camera (please see
> the link above for more info).
> -have a primary (submitter) and secondary contact.
>
> So, any opinion on this? The deadline for the proposal is 20 September.
I'm +1 on the idea, but I don't think the proposal would be readily
accepted, as it's specific to only NetBeans. Generally, FOSDEM is
looking for broader topics or genres, so perhaps an IDE devroom would
stand a better chance? You could still, of course, have NetBeans
content, but due to shortage on space (which there really is these
days), the odds of getting a dev room for just one program is slim, so
I'd pool it with other IDE topics to make it more feasible.
With regards,
Daniel.
>
> So far, I made this crude sketch for the proposal:
> ----
> Title of devroom:
> -----------------
>
> Apache NetBeans
>
> Elaborate description of proposed devroom (including possible topics):
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In this room, we will discuss the current state and the future of Apache
> NetBeans, and related topics. Possible topics include:
> -new Java features and their support in Apache NetBeans
> ...
>
> Why does it fit FOSDEM?
> -----------------------
>
> Apache NetBeans is an open source IDE, and its this dev room would be an
> opportunity for the developers to meet, discuss the current state and
> future, and also help other to understand the state of the project.
>
> Relevant URLs:
> --------------
> https://netbeans.apache.org/
>
> Special requirements:
> ---------------------
>
> If possible, please don't schedule concurrently with major Java-related
> events.
> ---
>
> If we would like to submit this proposal, I'll put this into a wiki, so
> that we can all edit that.
>
> Thanks,
> Jan
>
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