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Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote: Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to do, all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
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Re: Cocoon examples?
Posted by "Piroumian, Konstantin" <KP...@flagship.ru>.
There's no need to use a servlet?
There are different ways of performing such functionality:
1. Create your own generator that knows how to retrieve the data then
generate XML in some generic format. E.g., if your busines objects are
java beans then you can use some JBean2XML mapper (f.e.: Exolab's
Castor).
2. You can implement an action, which would retrieve the data and place
it (in either way: JavaBeans or XML fragments) in your request/session
attributes. In this case, if you don't want XSP in your XML you should
use/develope a tag-lib which would get the data from request or session
and expand it as needed.
3. You can create a specific transformer, which could interpret your tag
and according to them retrieve needed objects and expand them in your
original XML.
Maybe something else...
Regards,
Konstantin Piroumian
----- Original Message -----
From: Søren <ma...@mobilethink.dk> Neigaard
To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org <ma...@xml.apache.org> ;
jez@pigbite.com <ma...@pigbite.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:29 AM
Subject: SV: Cocoon examples?
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more
than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to
retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon.
How is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the
mix of content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src
to point at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too
me though, but it's my best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
<http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html>
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles
finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to do,
all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
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Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
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RE: SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Liam Morley <lm...@WPI.EDU>.
As far as resources go... I made a small tutorial for a group of college-level
students in PowerPoint. It's incomplete, but without any intent to revise. It
covers briefly XML, XSL, SQL, and Cocoon 2. Many parts are specific to our
project (we've written our own transformer as well as other Java classes, and
the sql schema is specific to our project as well), but it might prove useful
to somebody out there...
Our project is open-source, so if anybody wishes to see more information
(including the Java implementation), let me know personally (NOT on the list).
http://gdc.wpi.edu/gdc.ppt
Hope this helps to some degree.
Liam Morley
Re: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Jesper Rasmussen <ge...@cs.auc.dk>.
war is just a jar, which is just a zip
cheers
Jesper
- May the source be with you, Linux -
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Søren Neigaard wrote:
> How do I unpack a WAR?
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
> Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
> Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
>
>
> Hi Soren,
>
> Thanks for the comments.
>
> I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even it
> does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of time
> trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded sites
> using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of options
> however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I saw Cocoon
> and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full implementation of
> the stuff I was mucking around with.
>
> XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach
> however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability to
> embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to business
> logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around it. I will be
> putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few days I hope btw.
>
> If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
> offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets. Servlets
> have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data exchange or
> some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do think that the
> Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have seen.
>
> In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with business
> logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a "MVC" tiered
> approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into presenation code.
> Servlets will not make that easier - well designed XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
> does.
>
> Stepping off his soapbox...
>
> Jez
>
>
>
> Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
>
> Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more
> than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to retrive
> data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon. How is this
> done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of content and
> logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point at a servlet
> that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though, but it's my
> best idea.
>
> Any ideas?
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
> Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
> Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
>
>
> Hi Soren,
>
> You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
> http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
>
> Best regards
>
> Jeremy
>
> Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
>
> Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles
> finding
> out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to
> do, all
> the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
>
> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
> Søren Neigaard
> -------------------------------
> Mobilethink A/S
> Arosgaarden
> Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
> DK - 8000 Århus C
> Telefon: +45 86207800
> Direct: +45 86207810
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SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Søren Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk>.
Hi
Well I can't get Enhydra to deploy my WAR, I'm sorry to say, so I have to do
it all manually.
I foun this in the cocoon.xconf, comment it out to get rid of the
"org/hsqldb/Server" error:
<hsqldb-server class="org.apache.cocoon.components.hsqldb.ServerImpl"
pool-max="1" pool-min="1">
<parameter name="port" value="9002"/>
<parameter name="silent" value="true"/>
<parameter name="trace" value="false"/>
</hsqldb-server>
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Liam Morley [mailto:lmorley@WPI.EDU]
Sendt: 10. oktober 2001 22:04
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: RE: Cocoon examples?
I think that not being able to find "org/hsqldb/Server" is acceptable. I
get that error all the time- to the best of my knowledge, it's because of
some example that is set up for use with a specific database system which
may or may not be on your system. In both your case and mine, it's not
there, so you get an exception. I haven't gotten around to finding out where
it's coming from, sooner or later I'll probably do that
my server isn't
production-ready yet, so it's not so much of an issue for me just yet. If
you do find out what's causing that, though, please let me know.
I don't think you need anything in WEB-INF/classes/ per se
all jar files
are usually kept in WEB-INF/lib/. Your servlet container should be able to
auto-magically add these to the classpath (at least I didn't have to change
anything, using win2k/tomcat-3.2.3/cocoon2rc1).
Liam Morley
-----Original Message-----
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:neigaard@mobilethink.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:55 PM
To: jez@pigbite.com; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cocoon examples?
Thx :)
Theres more things I dont get though... I have no classes in my
"build/cocoon/webapp/WEB-INF/classes/*", should I have classes here? Do I
need to include some *.jar files for my servlet engine?
If I try to start cocoon, I get the following error (any ideas):
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:584
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type priority-filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type servlet
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:604
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id components
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory:
loglevel is ERROR
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory:
creating target servlet:
org.apache.avalon.framework.configuration.DefaultConfiguration@168e23
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root.store
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root.xslt
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root returned
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:785
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category cocoon returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:065
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:135
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:225
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returnedjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/hsqldb/Server at
org.apache.cocoon.components.hsqldb.ServerImpl.run(ServerImpl.java:102) at
java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:406
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 9. oktober 2001 03:34
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org; 'Søren_Neigaard'
Emne: Re: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
On a Windows platform you can use a zip compatible program such as
WinZip or WinRar. On Unix I assume a gzip utility would do the same (I
really must get my Linux box going one year ;-)).
I assume however you are talking about the cocoon.war. When you
download the distributable and run the build script as per the install
instructions the webapp gets built in your %COCOON_HOME%/build/cocoon/webapp
folder and it is this that can be copied into %TOMCAT_HOME%/webapps/cocoon.
You can get rid of the war as well. See the install instructions in the C2
docs and on cTwIG for more info.
Regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
How do I unpack a WAR?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however
even it does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot
of time trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded
sites using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of options
however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I saw Cocoon
and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full implementation of
the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach
however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability to
embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to business
logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around it. I will be
putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets. Servlets
have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data exchange or
some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do think that the
Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with
business logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a "MVC"
tiered approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into presenation
code. Servlets will not make that easier - well designed
XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though
(well more than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want
to retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon.
How is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of
content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point
at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though,
but it's my best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some
trubles finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see
what to do, all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
Arosgaarden
Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
Telefon: +45 86207800
Direct: +45 86207810
Fax: +45 86207801
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RE: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Liam Morley <lm...@WPI.EDU>.
I think that not being able to find "org/hsqldb/Server" is acceptable. I
get that error all the time- to the best of my knowledge, it's because
of some example that is set up for use with a specific database system
which may or may not be on your system. In both your case and mine, it's
not there, so you get an exception. I haven't gotten around to finding
out where it's coming from, sooner or later I'll probably do that
my
server isn't production-ready yet, so it's not so much of an issue for
me just yet. If you do find out what's causing that, though, please let
me know.
I don't think you need anything in WEB-INF/classes/ per se
all jar
files are usually kept in WEB-INF/lib/. Your servlet container should be
able to auto-magically add these to the classpath (at least I didn't
have to change anything, using win2k/tomcat-3.2.3/cocoon2rc1).
Liam Morley
-----Original Message-----
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:neigaard@mobilethink.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:55 PM
To: jez@pigbite.com; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Subject: RE: Cocoon examples?
Thx :)
Theres more things I dont get though... I have no classes in my
"build/cocoon/webapp/WEB-INF/classes/*", should I have classes here? Do
I need to include some *.jar files for my servlet engine?
If I try to start cocoon, I get the following error (any ideas):
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:584 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager: added new
LogTargetFactory of type priority-filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager: added new
LogTargetFactory of type servlet
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager: added new
LogTargetFactory of type cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:604 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id components
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory: loglevel is
ERROR
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory: creating
target servlet:
org.apache.avalon.framework.configuration.DefaultConfiguration@168e23
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger for
category cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger for
category root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger for
category root.store
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger for
category root.xslt
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for category
root returned
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:785 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for category
cocoon returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:065 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for category
root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:135 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for category
root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:225 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for category
root.store returnedjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/hsqldb/Server at
org.apache.cocoon.components.hsqldb.ServerImpl.run(ServerImpl.java:102)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:406 [
] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for category
root.store returned
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 9. oktober 2001 03:34
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org; 'Søren_Neigaard'
Emne: Re: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
On a Windows platform you can use a zip compatible program such as
WinZip or WinRar. On Unix I assume a gzip utility would do the same (I
really must get my Linux box going one year ;-)).
I assume however you are talking about the cocoon.war. When you
download the distributable and run the build script as per the install
instructions the webapp gets built in your
%COCOON_HOME%/build/cocoon/webapp folder and it is this that can be
copied into %TOMCAT_HOME%/webapps/cocoon. You can get rid of the war
as well. See the install instructions in the C2 docs and on cTwIG for
more info.
Regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
How do I unpack a WAR?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even it
does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of
time trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded
sites using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of
options however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I
saw Cocoon and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full
implementation of the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach
however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability
to embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to
business logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around
it. I will be putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few
days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets.
Servlets have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data
exchange or some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do
think that the Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have
seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with
business logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a
"MVC" tiered approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into
presenation code. Servlets will not make that easier - well designed
XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more
than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to
retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon.
How is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the
mix of content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src
to point at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too
me though, but it's my best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles
finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to do,
all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
Arosgaarden
Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
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RE: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Søren Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk>.
Thx :)
Theres more things I dont get though... I have no classes in my
"build/cocoon/webapp/WEB-INF/classes/*", should I have classes here? Do I
need to include some *.jar files for my servlet engine?
If I try to start cocoon, I get the following error (any ideas):
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:584
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type priority-filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type servlet
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:604
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id components
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory:
loglevel is ERROR
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory:
creating target servlet:
org.apache.avalon.framework.configuration.DefaultConfiguration@168e23
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root.store
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root.xslt
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root returned
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:785
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category cocoon returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:065
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:135
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:225
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returnedjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/hsqldb/Server at
org.apache.cocoon.components.hsqldb.ServerImpl.run(ServerImpl.java:102) at
java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:406
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 9. oktober 2001 03:34
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org; 'Søren_Neigaard'
Emne: Re: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
On a Windows platform you can use a zip compatible program such as WinZip
or WinRar. On Unix I assume a gzip utility would do the same (I really must
get my Linux box going one year ;-)).
I assume however you are talking about the cocoon.war. When you download
the distributable and run the build script as per the install instructions
the webapp gets built in your %COCOON_HOME%/build/cocoon/webapp folder and
it is this that can be copied into %TOMCAT_HOME%/webapps/cocoon. You can
get rid of the war as well. See the install instructions in the C2 docs and
on cTwIG for more info.
Regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
How do I unpack a WAR?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even
it does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of
time trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded
sites using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of options
however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I saw Cocoon
and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full implementation of
the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach
however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability to
embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to business
logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around it. I will be
putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets. Servlets
have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data exchange or
some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do think that the
Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with
business logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a "MVC"
tiered approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into presenation
code. Servlets will not make that easier - well designed
XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well
more than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to
retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon. How
is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of
content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point
at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though,
but it's my best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some
trubles finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see
what to do, all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
Arosgaarden
Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
Telefon: +45 86207800
Direct: +45 86207810
Fax: +45 86207801
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RE: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Søren Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk>.
Thx :)
Theres more things I dont get though... I have no classes in my
"build/cocoon/webapp/WEB-INF/classes/*", should I have classes here? Do I
need to include some *.jar files for my servlet engine?
If I try to start cocoon, I get the following error (any ideas):
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:584
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type priority-filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type servlet
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:594
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetFactoryManager:
added new LogTargetFactory of type cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:604
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id components
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory:
loglevel is ERROR
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:614
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/PriorityFilterTargetFactory:
creating target servlet:
org.apache.avalon.framework.configuration.DefaultConfiguration@168e23
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogTargetManager: added new
LogTarget of id filter
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category cocoon
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:624
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root.store
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: added logger
for category root.xslt
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:634
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root returned
2001.10.09 13:23:34: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.34:785
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category cocoon returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:065
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:135
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:225
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returnedjava.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
org/hsqldb/Server at
org.apache.cocoon.components.hsqldb.ServerImpl.run(ServerImpl.java:102) at
java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
2001.10.09 13:23:35: cocoon,INFO: DEBUG (2001-10-09) 13:23.35:406
[ ] (Unknown-URI) Unknown-thread/DefaultLogKitManager: Logger for
category root.store returned
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 9. oktober 2001 03:34
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org; 'Søren_Neigaard'
Emne: Re: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
On a Windows platform you can use a zip compatible program such as WinZip
or WinRar. On Unix I assume a gzip utility would do the same (I really must
get my Linux box going one year ;-)).
I assume however you are talking about the cocoon.war. When you download
the distributable and run the build script as per the install instructions
the webapp gets built in your %COCOON_HOME%/build/cocoon/webapp folder and
it is this that can be copied into %TOMCAT_HOME%/webapps/cocoon. You can
get rid of the war as well. See the install instructions in the C2 docs and
on cTwIG for more info.
Regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
How do I unpack a WAR?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even
it does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of
time trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded
sites using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of options
however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I saw Cocoon
and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full implementation of
the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach
however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability to
embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to business
logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around it. I will be
putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets. Servlets
have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data exchange or
some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do think that the
Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with
business logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a "MVC"
tiered approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into presenation
code. Servlets will not make that easier - well designed
XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well
more than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to
retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon. How
is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of
content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point
at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though,
but it's my best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some
trubles finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see
what to do, all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
Arosgaarden
Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
Telefon: +45 86207800
Direct: +45 86207810
Fax: +45 86207801
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Re: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Jeremy Aston <je...@yahoo.co.uk>.
Hi Soren,
On a Windows platform you can use a zip compatible program such as WinZip or WinRar. On Unix I assume a gzip utility would do the same (I really must get my Linux box going one year ;-)).
I assume however you are talking about the cocoon.war. When you download the distributable and run the build script as per the install instructions the webapp gets built in your %COCOON_HOME%/build/cocoon/webapp folder and it is this that can be copied into %TOMCAT_HOME%/webapps/cocoon. You can get rid of the war as well. See the install instructions in the C2 docs and on cTwIG for more info.
Regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote: How do I unpack a WAR?-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even it does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of time trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded sites using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of options however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I saw Cocoon and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full implementation of the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability to embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to business logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around it. I will be putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets. Servlets have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data exchange or some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do think that the Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with business logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a "MVC" tiered approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into presenation code. Servlets will not make that easier - well designed XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote: Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon. How is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though, but it's my best idea. Any ideas?-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote: Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to do, all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
Arosgaarden
Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
Telefon: +45 86207800
Direct: +45 86207810
Fax: +45 86207801
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RE: SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Liam Morley <lm...@WPI.EDU>.
First of all, you shouldn't need to, under normal circumstances; your
servlet container does it. However, if you want to see inside a WAR
without the servlet container doing it for you, it follows the same
protocol as a ZIP file. So, from windows, just rename it to .zip, and
unzip it.
Liam Morley
-----Original Message-----
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:neigaard@mobilethink.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:18 PM
To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org; 'Søren_Neigaard'
Subject: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
How do I unpack a WAR?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even it
does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of
time trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded
sites using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of
options however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I
saw Cocoon and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full
implementation of the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach
however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability
to embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to
business logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around
it. I will be putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few
days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets.
Servlets have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data
exchange or some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do
think that the Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have
seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with
business logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a
"MVC" tiered approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into
presenation code. Servlets will not make that easier - well designed
XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more
than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to
retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon.
How is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the
mix of content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src
to point at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too
me though, but it's my best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles
finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to do,
all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
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RE: SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Henrik Hofmann <He...@creon-it.com>.
-----Original Message-----
From: Søren Neigaard [mailto:neigaard@mobilethink.dk]
Sent: Dienstag, 9. Oktober 2001 19:18
To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org; 'Søren_Neigaard'
Subject: SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
How do I unpack a WAR?
Try to open it with WinZip or something else that can handle zip Files.
Im using Windows so Im not sure if if gzip will work.
bye
SV: SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Søren Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk>.
How do I unpack a WAR?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 07:42
Til: Søren_Neigaard; cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even it
does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of time
trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded sites
using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of options
however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I saw Cocoon
and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full implementation of
the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach
however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability to
embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to business
logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around it. I will be
putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets. Servlets
have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data exchange or
some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do think that the
Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with business
logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a "MVC" tiered
approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into presenation code.
Servlets will not make that easier - well designed XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL
does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more
than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to retrive
data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon. How is this
done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of content and
logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point at a servlet
that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though, but it's my
best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles
finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to
do, all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
Arosgaarden
Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
Telefon: +45 86207800
Direct: +45 86207810
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Re: SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Jeremy Aston <je...@yahoo.co.uk>.
Hi Soren,
Thanks for the comments.
I'm not sure that the map command you suggest would work however even it does then I would still use XSP. About 18 months ago I spent alot of time trying to work out the best way of building multi-lingual, branded sites using a java architecture. I thought XML/XSL offered alot of options however did not extend the whole thing to logicsheets. Once I saw Cocoon and logicsheets I found that someone had written a full implementation of the stuff I was mucking around with.
XSP on it's own does not offer a load more over a JSP type approach however with logicsheets you have alot of power. You have the ability to embed logic in the logicsheet or mix and match with bean calls to business logic, just like in JSP, but with a nice XML wrapping around it. I will be putting some more examples up on cTwIG in the next few days I hope btw.
If you compare it with actual servlets then IMHO XSP/Logicsheets/XSL offers a far better technology for publishing than raw servlets. Servlets have their place, in non presentational scenarios such as data exchange or some kind of SOAP environment for example, but I really do think that the Cocoon approach is the best publishing platform I have seen.
In my experience - 99% of the time whatever you munge around with business logic needs to be displayed. No matter how far you go with a "MVC" tiered approach, the results of logic have to be stuck into presenation code. Servlets will not make that easier - well designed XML/XSP/Logicsheets/XSL does.
Stepping off his soapbox...
Jez
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote: Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to retrive data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon. How is this done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of content and logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point at a servlet that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though, but it's my best idea. Any ideas?-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote: Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to do, all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
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Arosgaarden
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DK - 8000 Århus C
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SV: Cocoon examples?
Posted by Søren Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk>.
Great intro, thanks :) I'm still confused at one point though (well more
than one, but here the most). I have some businessobjects I want to retrive
data from (maybe as XML), and use this data as input for Cocoon. How is this
done? I absolutly don't want to use XSP (I don't like the mix of content and
logic). Should I set the "<map:generate src=""/>" src to point at a servlet
that returns XML? This sounds like a bad idea too me though, but it's my
best idea.
Any ideas?
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Jeremy Aston [mailto:jeremyaston@yahoo.co.uk]
Sendt: 8. oktober 2001 01:15
Til: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Emne: Re: Cocoon examples?
Hi Soren,
You may also want to check out the idiots guide at
http://www.pigbite.co.uk/ctwig/index.html
Best regards
Jeremy
Søren_Neigaard <ne...@mobilethink.dk> wrote:
Are there any examples shipped with Cocoon2? I'm having some trubles
finding
out how it all works, so maybe some examples where I can see what to do,
all
the way from Java Servlets to XSL?
Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Neigaard
-------------------------------
Mobilethink A/S
Arosgaarden
Åboulevarden 23, 5.sal
DK - 8000 Århus C
Telefon: +45 86207800
Direct: +45 86207810
Fax: +45 86207801
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