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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by João Saleiro <jo...@gmail.com> on 2012/10/19 14:49:36 UTC
Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
controls among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock, featuring layouts,
TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider, RadioButton, etc, running on any
modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was the work of one guy...
Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't hurt
checking the new girl on the neighborhood - http://www.dartlang.org/ .
This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML
with 1690 members, for example).
João Saleiro
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and
Falcon))
Posted by Kevin Newman <Ca...@unFocus.com>.
There are a couple of Flash API on JS engines already (Jangaroo,
EaselJS, Shumway, more...).
Porting to another language, I'd suggest a JS compiler like Traceur or
TypeScript. You might even be able to use Jangaroo's AS3->JS compiler to
bootstrap the conversion in the short term (it'd still be a port, since
some AS3 features are missing, like E4X, etc.).
In any case, there's still MXML to deal with.
Kevin N.
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Posted by Jarosław Szczepankiewicz <js...@gmail.com>.
I'm now using JSF implementation Primefaces. It internally uses JQuery
UI and JQuery Theme Roller. I think both frameworks are probably more
low level than ExtJS & Sencha and may be better candidates for
renderer layer in js.
http://jqueryui.com/
http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/
Both of these frameworks are DOM oriented thus will have bright future
in terms of perfomance in browsers. Which as far as I remember is
contradiction to potentially using SVG as renderer for AS components.
2012/10/19 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
>
> On 10/19/12 8:30 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
>> target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>>
> Agreed. And maybe an API layer over Dart will work, but I doubt full Sencha
> will be in the picture. ExtJS? Some other JS UI framework? Maybe.
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and
Falcon))
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 10/19/12 8:30 AM, "Alain Ekambi" <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
> target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>
Agreed. And maybe an API layer over Dart will work, but I doubt full Sencha
will be in the picture. ExtJS? Some other JS UI framework? Maybe.
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
I m not a fan of JS. But what would be the benefit ? Acceptance.
You have more JS devs out there then ActionScript ones. You target JS
devs you target millions and millions of Devs.
Look at Node.js success
Even the java folks understood that the more language target the JVM the
better for the platform.
For Adobe it s always been ActionScript or nothing.I remember someone on
this list telling me that if it s not AS/MXML is not a Flex application.
Compare Flex/AS to C#, Java, JS in the enterprise and you will see that
Flex/AS still have a long way to go.
AS just add complexity to projects because you will have to use another
language in the backend.
So people tends to use a more simple approach even if the underlying
technology is inferior to Flex.
What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
"But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
"ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript, that's
not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
2012/10/19 sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>
> But they never will :)
> This project must not expect anything new from Adobe except what it does
> already, except for very simple things for wich we can have a try.
>
>
> Le 19/10/2012 16:34, jun wu a écrit :
>
> It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache.
>>
>> On 19 October 2012 22:29, jun wu <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and
>>> give
>>> a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as.
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec <stefan.horochovec@gmail.com
>>> >**wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK
>>>> with
>>>> a proprietary tool like Sencha.
>>>>
>>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/10/19 jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
>>>>> Touch?
>>>>> If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash
>>>>>
>>>> builder
>>>>
>>>>> and public them as as/flex apps.
>>>>> And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code
>>>>>
>>>> line
>>>>
>>>>> by line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2012 21:49, sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
>>>>>> Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
>>>>>> There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
>>>>>>
>>>>> that's
>>>>>
>>>>>> not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
>>>>>> target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do
>>>>>>
>>>>> ActionScript
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> target Flash !
>>>>>>> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
>>>>>>> applications for the Flash platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> one
>>>>
>>>>> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>>> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.****com<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.com**>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
>>>>>>>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
>>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
>>>>>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/******sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://**www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?**demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?**demo=clock>
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RadioButton,
>>>>
>>>>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> of one guy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hurt
>>>>>
>>>>>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dartlang.org/ .
>>>>
>>>>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1690 members, for example).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> João Saleiro
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and
Falcon))
Posted by sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>.
But they never will :)
This project must not expect anything new from Adobe except what it does
already, except for very simple things for wich we can have a try.
Le 19/10/2012 16:34, jun wu a écrit :
> It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache.
>
> On 19 October 2012 22:29, jun wu <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give
>> a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as.
>>
>> On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec <st...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with
>>> a proprietary tool like Sencha.
>>>
>>> Stefan Horochovec
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/10/19 jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
>>>> Touch?
>>>> If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash
>>> builder
>>>> and public them as as/flex apps.
>>>> And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code
>>> line
>>>> by line.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2012 21:49, sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
>>>>>
>>>>> "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
>>>>> Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
>>>>>
>>>>> "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
>>>>> There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
>>>> that's
>>>>> not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
>>>>> target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do
>>> ActionScript
>>>> to
>>>>>> target Flash !
>>>>>> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything
>>>> that
>>>>>> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
>>>>>> applications for the Flash platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that
>>> one
>>>>>> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with
>>> it.
>>>>>> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise
>>> world.
>>>>>> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.**com<
>>>> joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.com>
>>>>>> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting
>>> a
>>>>>>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
>>>>>>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
>>>>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock<
>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>>>> <http://**www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?**demo=clock<
>>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider,
>>> RadioButton,
>>>>>>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was
>>> the
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> of one guy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't
>>>> hurt
>>>>>>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood -
>>> http://www.dartlang.org/ .
>>>>>>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML
>>>> with
>>>>>>> 1690 members, for example).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> João Saleiro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Posted by jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>.
It will be great if Adobe buy out Sencha and then donate it to Apache.
On 19 October 2012 22:29, jun wu <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give
> a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as.
>
> On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec <st...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with
>> a proprietary tool like Sencha.
>>
>> Stefan Horochovec
>>
>>
>> 2012/10/19 jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>
>>
>> > Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
>> > Touch?
>> > If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash
>> builder
>> > and public them as as/flex apps.
>> > And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code
>> line
>> > by line.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19 October 2012 21:49, sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
>> > >
>> > > "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
>> > > Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
>> > >
>> > > "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
>> > > There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
>> > that's
>> > > not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
>> > >
>> > > The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
>> > > target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
>> > >
>> > > Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do
>> ActionScript
>> > to
>> > >> target Flash !
>> > >> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything
>> > that
>> > >> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
>> > >> applications for the Flash platform.
>> > >>
>> > >> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that
>> one
>> > >> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with
>> it.
>> > >> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise
>> world.
>> > >>
>> > >> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.**com<
>> > joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.com>
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting
>> a
>> > >>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
>> > >>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
>> > >>> controls
>> > >>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
>> > >>> http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock<
>> > http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock>
>> > >>> <http://**www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?**demo=clock<
>> > http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>
>> > >>> >,
>> > >>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider,
>> RadioButton,
>> > >>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was
>> the
>> > >>> work
>> > >>> of one guy...
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't
>> > hurt
>> > >>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood -
>> http://www.dartlang.org/ .
>> > >>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML
>> > with
>> > >>> 1690 members, for example).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> João Saleiro
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Posted by jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>.
But it might be the easiest way to make flex a real flexible tool and give
a great many programers hope to stick to flex/as.
On 19 October 2012 22:15, Stefan Horochovec <st...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello
>
> I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with
> a proprietary tool like Sencha.
>
> Stefan Horochovec
>
>
> 2012/10/19 jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>
>
> > Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
> > Touch?
> > If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash
> builder
> > and public them as as/flex apps.
> > And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code
> line
> > by line.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19 October 2012 21:49, sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
> > >
> > > "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
> > > Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
> > >
> > > "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
> > > There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
> > that's
> > > not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
> > >
> > > The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
> > > target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
> > >
> > > Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do
> ActionScript
> > to
> > >> target Flash !
> > >> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything
> > that
> > >> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
> > >> applications for the Flash platform.
> > >>
> > >> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that
> one
> > >> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it.
> > >> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise
> world.
> > >>
> > >> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.**com<
> > joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.com>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
> > >>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
> > >>>
> > >>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
> > >>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
> > >>> controls
> > >>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
> > >>> http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock<
> > http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock>
> > >>> <http://**www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?**demo=clock<
> > http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>
> > >>> >,
> > >>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider,
> RadioButton,
> > >>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was
> the
> > >>> work
> > >>> of one guy...
> > >>>
> > >>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't
> > hurt
> > >>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood - http://www.dartlang.org/.
> > >>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML
> > with
> > >>> 1690 members, for example).
> > >>>
> > >>> João Saleiro
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Posted by Stefan Horochovec <st...@gmail.com>.
Hello
I dont think that is a good initiative to combine the Apache Flex SDK with
a proprietary tool like Sencha.
Stefan Horochovec
2012/10/19 jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>
> Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
> Touch?
> If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash builder
> and public them as as/flex apps.
> And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code line
> by line.
>
>
>
>
> On 19 October 2012 21:49, sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
> >
> > "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
> > Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
> >
> > "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
> > There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
> that's
> > not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
> >
> > The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
> > target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
> >
> >
> > Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
> >
> > Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do ActionScript
> to
> >> target Flash !
> >> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything
> that
> >> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
> >> applications for the Flash platform.
> >>
> >> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that one
> >> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it.
> >> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise world.
> >>
> >> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.**com<
> joao.saleiro.webfuel@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >>
> >> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
> >>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
> >>>
> >>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
> >>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
> >>> controls
> >>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
> >>> http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock<
> http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock>
> >>> <http://**www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?**demo=clock<
> http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>
> >>> >,
> >>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider, RadioButton,
> >>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was the
> >>> work
> >>> of one guy...
> >>>
> >>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't
> hurt
> >>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood - http://www.dartlang.org/ .
> >>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML
> with
> >>> 1690 members, for example).
> >>>
> >>> João Saleiro
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Posted by jun wu <ju...@gmail.com>.
Is it possible to build an AS/Flex framework just like ExtJS and Sencha
Touch?
If we have this framework, we can write and test AS codes in flash builder
and public them as as/flex apps.
And most importantly, we can easily translate this AS code to JS code line
by line.
On 19 October 2012 21:49, sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
>
> "But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
> Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
>
> "ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
> There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript, that's
> not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
>
> The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
> target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
>
>
> Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
>
> Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do ActionScript to
>> target Flash !
>> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything that
>> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
>> applications for the Flash platform.
>>
>> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that one
>> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it.
>> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise world.
>>
>> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <jo...@gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
>>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>>>
>>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
>>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
>>> controls
>>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
>>> http://www.buckshotui.org/****sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>> <http://**www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?**demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>
>>> >,
>>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider, RadioButton,
>>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was the
>>> work
>>> of one guy...
>>>
>>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't hurt
>>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood - http://www.dartlang.org/ .
>>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML with
>>> 1690 members, for example).
>>>
>>> João Saleiro
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and
Falcon))
Posted by sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>.
What is the purpose to target flash player with JS ?
"But irrelevant in the Enterprise world."
Flex with ActionScript has already a very good place there.
"ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it"
There is free IDE for ActionScript and non free IDE for javascript,
that's not a point, and not the main problem with flex by far!
The question is not how to target Flash player without AS, but how to
target non flash player runtime from an AS written framework.
Le 19/10/2012 15:13, Alain Ekambi a écrit :
> Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do ActionScript to
> target Flash !
> People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything that
> compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
> applications for the Flash platform.
>
> The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that one
> have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it.
> ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise world.
>
> 2012/10/19 João Saleiro <jo...@gmail.com>
>
>> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
>> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>>
>> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
>> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI controls
>> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
>> http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>,
>> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider, RadioButton,
>> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was the work
>> of one guy...
>>
>> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't hurt
>> checking the new girl on the neighborhood - http://www.dartlang.org/ .
>> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML with
>> 1690 members, for example).
>>
>> João Saleiro
>>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon))
Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.
Crazy how people on this list always think you have to do ActionScript to
target Flash !
People there s a JS binding inside the Flash Player. Meaning anything that
compiles to JS (like Dart, Java, Scala, etc ..) can be used to write
applications for the Flash platform.
The Flash player is not the issue with Flex but more the fact that one
have to use ActionScript and all the non free IDEs that come with it.
ActionScript is a good language. But irrelevant in the Enterprise world.
2012/10/19 João Saleiro <jo...@gmail.com>
> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>
> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI controls
> among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
> http://www.buckshotui.org/**sandbox/?demo=clock<http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock>,
> featuring layouts, TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider, RadioButton,
> etc, running on any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was the work
> of one guy...
>
> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't hurt
> checking the new girl on the neighborhood - http://www.dartlang.org/ .
> This girl reached M1 recently, and has a huge momentum right now (ML with
> 1690 members, for example).
>
> João Saleiro
>
Re: Flex on top of Dart (was: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and
Falcon))
Posted by sébastien Paturel <se...@gmail.com>.
"rewriting a Flex-like framework" easy to say but hard to do.
And its irrelevant in the Flex mailing list. We discuss what Flex should
become, not what should be done to replace it.
You should ask, "has someone considered transcoding flex to Dart?"
Le 19/10/2012 14:49, João Saleiro a écrit :
> I might be crucified for this, but has someone considered rewriting a
> Flex-like framework on top of Dart?
>
> John Evans alone started building Buckshot UI on top of Dart which
> features a declarative language similar to MXML, data-binding, UI
> controls among other interesting stuff. Take a look at these demos:
> http://www.buckshotui.org/sandbox/?demo=clock, featuring layouts,
> TabNavigators, Tree, Accordion, Slider, RadioButton, etc, running on
> any modern web-browser. As far as I know, this was the work of one guy...
>
> Don't take me wrong here: I still love actionscript. But it doesn't
> hurt checking the new girl on the neighborhood -
> http://www.dartlang.org/ . This girl reached M1 recently, and has a
> huge momentum right now (ML with 1690 members, for example).
>
> João Saleiro