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Posted to users@flex.apache.org by Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com> on 2013/07/25 18:28:48 UTC

MVC framework

Hi,
until now I'm using PureMVC multicore with my Flex projects but it seems that PureMVC is an "old steamer".
Starting a new project I'd like to ask if anybody has experience with Robotlegs2 or mvcExpress.
Or is there an other highly recommended MVC framework or is it currently the best way to use Flex only without any third party micro framework;-)

Thanks
Olaf

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Re: MVC framework

Posted by Sean Thayne <se...@skyseek.com>.

I'd suggest playing with them. Find one you like and feels handles
everything you need okay. Then stick with it for the project. If you find
anything wrong with it later on, talk to the development teams. I can't
speak for Parsley, but I do know Shaun Smith does a great job at listening
to issues with the framework and usually will get you a patch withing a
couple of days. If you feel your able, you can always attempt to fix or
implement any features you feel like you need.

If your very comfortable with your AS3 skills, using a unsupported
framework like Parsley makes sense, because you can jump in and change
things. If your not as confident or just don't want to mess around with
that stuff, I'd probably pick RL2 or another framework that has current
support and solid activity.

~Sean


On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:17 PM, dude <du...@atheist.com> wrote:

> Well, that wasn't meant to be defensive, just some information to clear
> things up a bit. Also I'm sure other frameworks are great, too, but this
> is not a competition. It's about picking the right tools for a task. And
> I do love Parsley because it gets the job done in a very effective and
> smart way.  If it would not do that, I'd switch to a tool that does.
> Being a developer requires to be flexible and open to change in many
> aspects. Chosing proper tools is an essential skill. Parsley is not the
> solution to everything, and there is always the possibility that it gets
> replaced by something else (unlikely, but if ever, I'd pick GraniteDS).
>
> Am 26.07.2013 20:35, schrieb Ajar:
> > Go Parsley!!!
> > That's it. you got me there!
> > I'm converted...
> > :)
> >
> > We love our tools so much we are ready to stand on our back feet to
> defend
> > them with so much passion.
> > Switched on and ready to get into that ring!!!
> > Like JS/flash rivals or any other technology fighting to dominate
> > Sometime it gets to a point where I can actually see how holy wars
> tick...
> > What is this I wonder? righteousness? an erg to save the community?
> > protecting one's own investment? prestige-a-la-geek? ego? all of the
> above?
> > as a flash/flex dev I feel on a witch hunt in the past year or two
> > here I can breath among my own peers.... ahhhhh.....
> > chop up some garlic & parsley, comes along nicely with some Mediterranean
> > Te'hina, and enjoy your self.
> > Have a great weekend
> > :)
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, dude <du...@atheist.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 1. Parsley is OSS, the repo is at github, so everyone can start working
> >> if there is need to do so (that hasn't been the case yet, because it
> >> works great out of the box). The original author moved on to other
> >> projects though, but that happens a lot and does not make Parsley any
> >> less valuable.
> >>
> >> 2. About complexity: complex != complicated and simple != easy.
> >>
> >> You can use every tool in a complex (possibly wrong) and easy (possibly
> >> correct) way. You can use a hammer wrong if you grab it on the wrong
> >> end, but it will get the job done eventually. So "Overkill" might not be
> >> the right word, better go for "wrong usage" or "over complicated usage".
> >> Parsley is simple if used properly.
> >>
> >> 3. Usage: Parsley basically comes down to IoC/DI (e.g. via [Inject]
> >> tags), Commands and Messages. Everything is wired together in (M)XML in
> >> the simples possible way. Once you've set it up it's absolutly simple in
> >> everyday work (read: efficant). There are some advanced features
> >> (Scopes, decoupled bindings, etc) which are optional. You don't have to
> >> use them if you don't need to, but if you do, it's great to have them
> >> available. The framework can also be manually improved in many ways
> >> (interceptors, etc).
> >> Another important part is documentation: Everything is well documented
> >> and explained(!). There could be more examples available though. So it
> >> might take some time to get things working, depending on your knowledge
> >> on AS3, Flex, software engineering, etc.
> >>
> >> Summed up, it's a stable, robust, extensible piece of software, that
> >> scales perfectly.
> >>
> >> Am 26.07.2013 14:21, schrieb Ajar:
> >>> In my opinion - overkill is indeed the right word to describe parsley
> in
> >>> most cases.
> >>> While I respect complexity and clockwork architecture,
> >>> I can really appreciate straight forward framework like RobotLegs which
> >>> reduces the complexity in my projects.
> >>> My projects are fairly complex and large scale, this is why RL was a
> >> treat,
> >>> since I didn't need to double (or triple) the complexity.
> >>> I'm not looking for extensive feature-set that I'll rarely get to, I'd
> >>> rather have 80% which covers most cases in an easy straight-forward
> way.
> >>> And while you argue the parsley is close to perfection, indeed try it
> out
> >>> and see for your self, while having a project to execute, will you
> >> prefer a
> >>> robust tool or a minimalist one.
> >>> In my opinion, you are bound to go astray while you go into a new
> >>> territory, that's why a community is essential to support and grow
> >>> according to real needs that are communicated within a live community,
> >>> rather then browsing through ghost-posts hoping it will stick.
> >>> RL approach to modules in particular was a relief after trying out
> >> plumbing
> >>> with pureMVC pipes...
> >>> simple, painless, and works like a charm.
> >>> good luck with it, any turn you take.
> >>> cheers
> >>> Ajar
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
> >>> maurice.amsellem@systar.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Fully agree with Thomas.
> >>>> Although Parsley will not evolve anymore from its creator, it's very
> >>>> mature and capable, almost bug free, and it's very extensible:
> >>>> - either from native documented extension points
> >>>> - with directly by modifying the source.
> >>>>
> >>>> So it may be overkill for small projects, but it really shines on
> >> complex
> >>>> or large projects.
> >>>> I also used it on Mobile Flex (using the FastInject feature) with
> little
> >>>> performance degradation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Maurice
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Message d'origine-----
> >>>> De : Frédéric Thomas [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.com]
> >>>> Envoyé : vendredi 26 juillet 2013 10:55
> >>>> À : users@flex.apache.org
> >>>> Objet : Re: MVC framework
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Just to be clear even though Parsley is not maintain anymore by its
> >>>> original creator, it's up to individuals to add new feature as they
> >> like,
> >>>> it's the more complete and well design IOC / MVC framework I used out
> >>>> there, it has everything you need out of the box and probably more,
> >> that's
> >>>> the point, depending of your project complexity, you maybe won't need
> >> all
> >>>> its capabilities, in this case, a lighter and easier to learn
> framework
> >>>> will probably fit your needs as Swiz, Roboleg, Urania or even a custom
> >> one.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Fred
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Message d'origine-----
> >>>> From: Ajar
> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> >>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: MVC framework
> >>>>
> >>>> dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on
> >> their
> >>>> site.
> >>>> RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
> >>>> Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
> >>>> well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean
> >>>> <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only.
> Are
> >>>>> there any examples out there?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> >>>>> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to
> update
> >>>>> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a
> >> but
> >>>>> of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand,
> >>>>> scalable
> >>>>> (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a
> >> lot
> >>>>> of jobs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> >>>>> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Justin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: MVC framework

Posted by dude <du...@atheist.com>.

Well, that wasn't meant to be defensive, just some information to clear
things up a bit. Also I'm sure other frameworks are great, too, but this
is not a competition. It's about picking the right tools for a task. And
I do love Parsley because it gets the job done in a very effective and
smart way.  If it would not do that, I'd switch to a tool that does.
Being a developer requires to be flexible and open to change in many
aspects. Chosing proper tools is an essential skill. Parsley is not the
solution to everything, and there is always the possibility that it gets
replaced by something else (unlikely, but if ever, I'd pick GraniteDS).

Am 26.07.2013 20:35, schrieb Ajar:
> Go Parsley!!!
> That's it. you got me there!
> I'm converted...
> :)
> 
> We love our tools so much we are ready to stand on our back feet to defend
> them with so much passion.
> Switched on and ready to get into that ring!!!
> Like JS/flash rivals or any other technology fighting to dominate
> Sometime it gets to a point where I can actually see how holy wars tick...
> What is this I wonder? righteousness? an erg to save the community?
> protecting one's own investment? prestige-a-la-geek? ego? all of the above?
> as a flash/flex dev I feel on a witch hunt in the past year or two
> here I can breath among my own peers.... ahhhhh.....
> chop up some garlic & parsley, comes along nicely with some Mediterranean
> Te'hina, and enjoy your self.
> Have a great weekend
> :)
> 
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, dude <du...@atheist.com> wrote:
> 
>> 1. Parsley is OSS, the repo is at github, so everyone can start working
>> if there is need to do so (that hasn't been the case yet, because it
>> works great out of the box). The original author moved on to other
>> projects though, but that happens a lot and does not make Parsley any
>> less valuable.
>>
>> 2. About complexity: complex != complicated and simple != easy.
>>
>> You can use every tool in a complex (possibly wrong) and easy (possibly
>> correct) way. You can use a hammer wrong if you grab it on the wrong
>> end, but it will get the job done eventually. So "Overkill" might not be
>> the right word, better go for "wrong usage" or "over complicated usage".
>> Parsley is simple if used properly.
>>
>> 3. Usage: Parsley basically comes down to IoC/DI (e.g. via [Inject]
>> tags), Commands and Messages. Everything is wired together in (M)XML in
>> the simples possible way. Once you've set it up it's absolutly simple in
>> everyday work (read: efficant). There are some advanced features
>> (Scopes, decoupled bindings, etc) which are optional. You don't have to
>> use them if you don't need to, but if you do, it's great to have them
>> available. The framework can also be manually improved in many ways
>> (interceptors, etc).
>> Another important part is documentation: Everything is well documented
>> and explained(!). There could be more examples available though. So it
>> might take some time to get things working, depending on your knowledge
>> on AS3, Flex, software engineering, etc.
>>
>> Summed up, it's a stable, robust, extensible piece of software, that
>> scales perfectly.
>>
>> Am 26.07.2013 14:21, schrieb Ajar:
>>> In my opinion - overkill is indeed the right word to describe parsley in
>>> most cases.
>>> While I respect complexity and clockwork architecture,
>>> I can really appreciate straight forward framework like RobotLegs which
>>> reduces the complexity in my projects.
>>> My projects are fairly complex and large scale, this is why RL was a
>> treat,
>>> since I didn't need to double (or triple) the complexity.
>>> I'm not looking for extensive feature-set that I'll rarely get to, I'd
>>> rather have 80% which covers most cases in an easy straight-forward way.
>>> And while you argue the parsley is close to perfection, indeed try it out
>>> and see for your self, while having a project to execute, will you
>> prefer a
>>> robust tool or a minimalist one.
>>> In my opinion, you are bound to go astray while you go into a new
>>> territory, that's why a community is essential to support and grow
>>> according to real needs that are communicated within a live community,
>>> rather then browsing through ghost-posts hoping it will stick.
>>> RL approach to modules in particular was a relief after trying out
>> plumbing
>>> with pureMVC pipes...
>>> simple, painless, and works like a charm.
>>> good luck with it, any turn you take.
>>> cheers
>>> Ajar
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
>>> maurice.amsellem@systar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fully agree with Thomas.
>>>> Although Parsley will not evolve anymore from its creator, it's very
>>>> mature and capable, almost bug free, and it's very extensible:
>>>> - either from native documented extension points
>>>> - with directly by modifying the source.
>>>>
>>>> So it may be overkill for small projects, but it really shines on
>> complex
>>>> or large projects.
>>>> I also used it on Mobile Flex (using the FastInject feature) with little
>>>> performance degradation.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Maurice
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Frédéric Thomas [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.com]
>>>> Envoyé : vendredi 26 juillet 2013 10:55
>>>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>>>> Objet : Re: MVC framework
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Just to be clear even though Parsley is not maintain anymore by its
>>>> original creator, it's up to individuals to add new feature as they
>> like,
>>>> it's the more complete and well design IOC / MVC framework I used out
>>>> there, it has everything you need out of the box and probably more,
>> that's
>>>> the point, depending of your project complexity, you maybe won't need
>> all
>>>> its capabilities, in this case, a lighter and easier to learn framework
>>>> will probably fit your needs as Swiz, Roboleg, Urania or even a custom
>> one.
>>>>
>>>> -Fred
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> From: Ajar
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:23 AM
>>>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: MVC framework
>>>>
>>>> dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on
>> their
>>>> site.
>>>> RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
>>>> Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
>>>> well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean
>>>> <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are
>>>>> there any examples out there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
>>>>> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
>>>>> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a
>> but
>>>>> of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand,
>>>>> scalable
>>>>> (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a
>> lot
>>>>> of jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
>>>>> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: MVC framework

Posted by Ajar <aj...@gmail.com>.

Go Parsley!!!
That's it. you got me there!
I'm converted...
:)

We love our tools so much we are ready to stand on our back feet to defend
them with so much passion.
Switched on and ready to get into that ring!!!
Like JS/flash rivals or any other technology fighting to dominate
Sometime it gets to a point where I can actually see how holy wars tick...
What is this I wonder? righteousness? an erg to save the community?
protecting one's own investment? prestige-a-la-geek? ego? all of the above?
as a flash/flex dev I feel on a witch hunt in the past year or two
here I can breath among my own peers.... ahhhhh.....
chop up some garlic & parsley, comes along nicely with some Mediterranean
Te'hina, and enjoy your self.
Have a great weekend
:)

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:04 PM, dude <du...@atheist.com> wrote:

> 1. Parsley is OSS, the repo is at github, so everyone can start working
> if there is need to do so (that hasn't been the case yet, because it
> works great out of the box). The original author moved on to other
> projects though, but that happens a lot and does not make Parsley any
> less valuable.
>
> 2. About complexity: complex != complicated and simple != easy.
>
> You can use every tool in a complex (possibly wrong) and easy (possibly
> correct) way. You can use a hammer wrong if you grab it on the wrong
> end, but it will get the job done eventually. So "Overkill" might not be
> the right word, better go for "wrong usage" or "over complicated usage".
> Parsley is simple if used properly.
>
> 3. Usage: Parsley basically comes down to IoC/DI (e.g. via [Inject]
> tags), Commands and Messages. Everything is wired together in (M)XML in
> the simples possible way. Once you've set it up it's absolutly simple in
> everyday work (read: efficant). There are some advanced features
> (Scopes, decoupled bindings, etc) which are optional. You don't have to
> use them if you don't need to, but if you do, it's great to have them
> available. The framework can also be manually improved in many ways
> (interceptors, etc).
> Another important part is documentation: Everything is well documented
> and explained(!). There could be more examples available though. So it
> might take some time to get things working, depending on your knowledge
> on AS3, Flex, software engineering, etc.
>
> Summed up, it's a stable, robust, extensible piece of software, that
> scales perfectly.
>
> Am 26.07.2013 14:21, schrieb Ajar:
> > In my opinion - overkill is indeed the right word to describe parsley in
> > most cases.
> > While I respect complexity and clockwork architecture,
> > I can really appreciate straight forward framework like RobotLegs which
> > reduces the complexity in my projects.
> > My projects are fairly complex and large scale, this is why RL was a
> treat,
> > since I didn't need to double (or triple) the complexity.
> > I'm not looking for extensive feature-set that I'll rarely get to, I'd
> > rather have 80% which covers most cases in an easy straight-forward way.
> > And while you argue the parsley is close to perfection, indeed try it out
> > and see for your self, while having a project to execute, will you
> prefer a
> > robust tool or a minimalist one.
> > In my opinion, you are bound to go astray while you go into a new
> > territory, that's why a community is essential to support and grow
> > according to real needs that are communicated within a live community,
> > rather then browsing through ghost-posts hoping it will stick.
> > RL approach to modules in particular was a relief after trying out
> plumbing
> > with pureMVC pipes...
> > simple, painless, and works like a charm.
> > good luck with it, any turn you take.
> > cheers
> > Ajar
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
> > maurice.amsellem@systar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Fully agree with Thomas.
> >> Although Parsley will not evolve anymore from its creator, it's very
> >> mature and capable, almost bug free, and it's very extensible:
> >> - either from native documented extension points
> >> - with directly by modifying the source.
> >>
> >> So it may be overkill for small projects, but it really shines on
> complex
> >> or large projects.
> >> I also used it on Mobile Flex (using the FastInject feature) with little
> >> performance degradation.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Maurice
> >>
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : Frédéric Thomas [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.com]
> >> Envoyé : vendredi 26 juillet 2013 10:55
> >> À : users@flex.apache.org
> >> Objet : Re: MVC framework
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Just to be clear even though Parsley is not maintain anymore by its
> >> original creator, it's up to individuals to add new feature as they
> like,
> >> it's the more complete and well design IOC / MVC framework I used out
> >> there, it has everything you need out of the box and probably more,
> that's
> >> the point, depending of your project complexity, you maybe won't need
> all
> >> its capabilities, in this case, a lighter and easier to learn framework
> >> will probably fit your needs as Swiz, Roboleg, Urania or even a custom
> one.
> >>
> >> -Fred
> >>
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> From: Ajar
> >> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> >> To: users@flex.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: MVC framework
> >>
> >> dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on
> their
> >> site.
> >> RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
> >> Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
> >> well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean
> >> <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>>> How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are
> >>> there any examples out there?
> >>>
> >>> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> >>> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
> >>> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a
> but
> >>> of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand,
> >>> scalable
> >>> (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a
> lot
> >>> of jobs.
> >>>
> >>> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> >>> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Justin
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: MVC framework

Posted by dude <du...@atheist.com>.

1. Parsley is OSS, the repo is at github, so everyone can start working
if there is need to do so (that hasn't been the case yet, because it
works great out of the box). The original author moved on to other
projects though, but that happens a lot and does not make Parsley any
less valuable.

2. About complexity: complex != complicated and simple != easy.

You can use every tool in a complex (possibly wrong) and easy (possibly
correct) way. You can use a hammer wrong if you grab it on the wrong
end, but it will get the job done eventually. So "Overkill" might not be
the right word, better go for "wrong usage" or "over complicated usage".
Parsley is simple if used properly.

3. Usage: Parsley basically comes down to IoC/DI (e.g. via [Inject]
tags), Commands and Messages. Everything is wired together in (M)XML in
the simples possible way. Once you've set it up it's absolutly simple in
everyday work (read: efficant). There are some advanced features
(Scopes, decoupled bindings, etc) which are optional. You don't have to
use them if you don't need to, but if you do, it's great to have them
available. The framework can also be manually improved in many ways
(interceptors, etc).
Another important part is documentation: Everything is well documented
and explained(!). There could be more examples available though. So it
might take some time to get things working, depending on your knowledge
on AS3, Flex, software engineering, etc.

Summed up, it's a stable, robust, extensible piece of software, that
scales perfectly.

Am 26.07.2013 14:21, schrieb Ajar:
> In my opinion - overkill is indeed the right word to describe parsley in
> most cases.
> While I respect complexity and clockwork architecture,
> I can really appreciate straight forward framework like RobotLegs which
> reduces the complexity in my projects.
> My projects are fairly complex and large scale, this is why RL was a treat,
> since I didn't need to double (or triple) the complexity.
> I'm not looking for extensive feature-set that I'll rarely get to, I'd
> rather have 80% which covers most cases in an easy straight-forward way.
> And while you argue the parsley is close to perfection, indeed try it out
> and see for your self, while having a project to execute, will you prefer a
> robust tool or a minimalist one.
> In my opinion, you are bound to go astray while you go into a new
> territory, that's why a community is essential to support and grow
> according to real needs that are communicated within a live community,
> rather then browsing through ghost-posts hoping it will stick.
> RL approach to modules in particular was a relief after trying out plumbing
> with pureMVC pipes...
> simple, painless, and works like a charm.
> good luck with it, any turn you take.
> cheers
> Ajar
> 
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
> maurice.amsellem@systar.com> wrote:
> 
>> Fully agree with Thomas.
>> Although Parsley will not evolve anymore from its creator, it's very
>> mature and capable, almost bug free, and it's very extensible:
>> - either from native documented extension points
>> - with directly by modifying the source.
>>
>> So it may be overkill for small projects, but it really shines on complex
>> or large projects.
>> I also used it on Mobile Flex (using the FastInject feature) with little
>> performance degradation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Frédéric Thomas [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.com]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 26 juillet 2013 10:55
>> À : users@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: MVC framework
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just to be clear even though Parsley is not maintain anymore by its
>> original creator, it's up to individuals to add new feature as they like,
>> it's the more complete and well design IOC / MVC framework I used out
>> there, it has everything you need out of the box and probably more, that's
>> the point, depending of your project complexity, you maybe won't need all
>> its capabilities, in this case, a lighter and easier to learn framework
>> will probably fit your needs as Swiz, Roboleg, Urania or even a custom one.
>>
>> -Fred
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> From: Ajar
>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:23 AM
>> To: users@flex.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: MVC framework
>>
>> dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on their
>> site.
>> RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
>> Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
>> well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean
>> <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are
>>> there any examples out there?
>>>
>>> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
>>> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
>>> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a but
>>> of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand,
>>> scalable
>>> (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a lot
>>> of jobs.
>>>
>>> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
>>> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Justin
>>
>>
>

Re: MVC framework

Posted by Ajar <aj...@gmail.com>.

In my opinion - overkill is indeed the right word to describe parsley in
most cases.
While I respect complexity and clockwork architecture,
I can really appreciate straight forward framework like RobotLegs which
reduces the complexity in my projects.
My projects are fairly complex and large scale, this is why RL was a treat,
since I didn't need to double (or triple) the complexity.
I'm not looking for extensive feature-set that I'll rarely get to, I'd
rather have 80% which covers most cases in an easy straight-forward way.
And while you argue the parsley is close to perfection, indeed try it out
and see for your self, while having a project to execute, will you prefer a
robust tool or a minimalist one.
In my opinion, you are bound to go astray while you go into a new
territory, that's why a community is essential to support and grow
according to real needs that are communicated within a live community,
rather then browsing through ghost-posts hoping it will stick.
RL approach to modules in particular was a relief after trying out plumbing
with pureMVC pipes...
simple, painless, and works like a charm.
good luck with it, any turn you take.
cheers
Ajar

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
maurice.amsellem@systar.com> wrote:

> Fully agree with Thomas.
> Although Parsley will not evolve anymore from its creator, it's very
> mature and capable, almost bug free, and it's very extensible:
> - either from native documented extension points
> - with directly by modifying the source.
>
> So it may be overkill for small projects, but it really shines on complex
> or large projects.
> I also used it on Mobile Flex (using the FastInject feature) with little
> performance degradation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Maurice
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Frédéric Thomas [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.com]
> Envoyé : vendredi 26 juillet 2013 10:55
> À : users@flex.apache.org
> Objet : Re: MVC framework
>
> Hi,
>
> Just to be clear even though Parsley is not maintain anymore by its
> original creator, it's up to individuals to add new feature as they like,
> it's the more complete and well design IOC / MVC framework I used out
> there, it has everything you need out of the box and probably more, that's
> the point, depending of your project complexity, you maybe won't need all
> its capabilities, in this case, a lighter and easier to learn framework
> will probably fit your needs as Swiz, Roboleg, Urania or even a custom one.
>
> -Fred
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> From: Ajar
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Re: MVC framework
>
> dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on their
> site.
> RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
> Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
> well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean
> <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are
> > there any examples out there?
> >
> > Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> > dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
> > views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a but
> > of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand,
> > scalable
> > (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a lot
> > of jobs.
> >
> > Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> > frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
>

RE: MVC framework

Posted by Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>.

Fully agree with Thomas.  
Although Parsley will not evolve anymore from its creator, it's very mature and capable, almost bug free, and it's very extensible:
- either from native documented extension points
- with directly by modifying the source.

So it may be overkill for small projects, but it really shines on complex or large projects.
I also used it on Mobile Flex (using the FastInject feature) with little performance degradation.

Regards,

Maurice 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Frédéric Thomas [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.com] 
Envoyé : vendredi 26 juillet 2013 10:55
À : users@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: MVC framework

Hi,

Just to be clear even though Parsley is not maintain anymore by its original creator, it's up to individuals to add new feature as they like, it's the more complete and well design IOC / MVC framework I used out there, it has everything you need out of the box and probably more, that's the point, depending of your project complexity, you maybe won't need all its capabilities, in this case, a lighter and easier to learn framework will probably fit your needs as Swiz, Roboleg, Urania or even a custom one.

-Fred

-----Message d'origine----- 
From: Ajar
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: MVC framework

dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on their
site.
RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean 
<ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are
> there any examples out there?
>
> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a but
> of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand, 
> scalable
> (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a lot
> of jobs.
>
> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: MVC framework

Posted by Frédéric Thomas <we...@hotmail.com>.

Hi,

Just to be clear even though Parsley is not maintain anymore by its original 
creator, it's up to individuals to add new feature as they like, it's the 
more complete and well design IOC / MVC framework I used out there, it has 
everything you need out of the box and probably more, that's the point, 
depending of your project complexity, you maybe won't need all its 
capabilities, in this case, a lighter and easier to learn framework will 
probably fit your needs as Swiz, Roboleg, Urania or even a custom one.

-Fred

-----Message d'origine----- 
From: Ajar
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:23 AM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: MVC framework

dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on their
site.
RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean 
<ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are
> there any examples out there?
>
> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a but
> of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand, 
> scalable
> (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a lot
> of jobs.
>
> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: MVC framework

Posted by Ajar <aj...@gmail.com>.

You'd love it!
:)

oh, and i agree - a wider community behind it will definately be more ideal
;-)
They definitely earned it in my book.


On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com> wrote:

> >dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on
> their site.
> Yes, seems that unfortunately several third party flex frameworks
> discontinue his work these days.
> But to see it positive it's better to have a few frameworks that are used
> and supported by a big community than vice versa.
>
> >and you'll pick it up on a weekend
> I'll give it a try ;-)
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only.
> > > Are
> > there any examples out there?
> >
> > Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> > dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
> > views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a
> > but of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand,
> > scalable (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC
> > suitable for a lot of jobs.
> >
> > Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> > frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
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AW: MVC framework

Posted by Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com>.

>dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on their site.
Yes, seems that unfortunately several third party flex frameworks discontinue his work these days.
But to see it positive it's better to have a few frameworks that are used and supported by a big community than vice versa.

>and you'll pick it up on a weekend
I'll give it a try ;-)

Olaf

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only.
> > Are
> there any examples out there?
>
> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a
> but of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand,
> scalable (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC
> suitable for a lot of jobs.
>
> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

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Re: MVC framework

Posted by Ajar <aj...@gmail.com>.

dude - Parsley is discontinued, you can checkout the news section on their
site.
RobotLegs on the other hand is alive and kicking!
Great supportive community, and you'll pick it up on a weekend.
well, i'm biased - it's my ultimate favorite :)

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are
> there any examples out there?
>
> Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component
> dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update
> views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a but
> of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand, scalable
> (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a lot
> of jobs.
>
> Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my
> frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: MVC framework

Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.

Hi,

> How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are there any examples out there?

Basically AS classes for your model, loosely coupled MXML component dispatching events for your views, data binding on the model to update views and your application or an event bus as your application, add a but of structure and discipline and it's a simple, easy to understand, scalable (to a reasonable size), flexible, non prescriptive MVC suitable for a lot of jobs.

Think I have a simple application lying about that does this (from my frameworks are evil talk?), I'll see if I can find it.

Thanks,
Justin

AW: MVC framework

Posted by Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com>.

>0. There is not 'the best' and you don't really need it, as Flex/AS3 itself is already capable of MVC/MV(V)P itself.
How can I realize an MVC like architecture by using Flex/AS3 only. Are there any examples out there?

Olaf

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Re: MVC framework

Posted by Alain Ekambi <ja...@gmail.com>.

This is how we solve it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kilmaSRq49g


2013/7/25 Sean Thayne <se...@skyseek.com>

> RobotLegs is very very cool. I highly recommend it. It's minimal,
> comprehensive, and scales well. It makes coding lots of fun!
>
> ~Sean
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, dude <du...@atheist.com> wrote:
>
> > 0. There is not 'the best' and you don't really need it, as Flex/AS3
> > itself is already capable of MVC/MV(V)P itself.
> > 1. Tide (GraniteDS) - most complete solution replacing BlazeDS/LCDS.
> > Tide is GraniteDS's IoC framework. I'd pick this for a new project. [1]
> > 2. Parsley (my favorite) - IMHO the best decoupling framework out there.
> > It's great and has everything you need for MVC/MVP or IoC/DI. We love
> > it. [2]
> > 3. Swiz - might be donated to Apache soon. Haven't used it myself in
> > production, but gets recommended every now and then. [3]
> > 4. Some more here: http://www.spoon.as/ecosystem/application-frameworks/
> >
> > [1] http://www.graniteds.org/
> > [2] http://www.spicefactory.org/parsley/
> > [3] https://github.com/swiz/
> >
>

Re: MVC framework

Posted by Sean Thayne <se...@skyseek.com>.

RobotLegs is very very cool. I highly recommend it. It's minimal,
comprehensive, and scales well. It makes coding lots of fun!

~Sean

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, dude <du...@atheist.com> wrote:

> 0. There is not 'the best' and you don't really need it, as Flex/AS3
> itself is already capable of MVC/MV(V)P itself.
> 1. Tide (GraniteDS) - most complete solution replacing BlazeDS/LCDS.
> Tide is GraniteDS's IoC framework. I'd pick this for a new project. [1]
> 2. Parsley (my favorite) - IMHO the best decoupling framework out there.
> It's great and has everything you need for MVC/MVP or IoC/DI. We love
> it. [2]
> 3. Swiz - might be donated to Apache soon. Haven't used it myself in
> production, but gets recommended every now and then. [3]
> 4. Some more here: http://www.spoon.as/ecosystem/application-frameworks/
>
> [1] http://www.graniteds.org/
> [2] http://www.spicefactory.org/parsley/
> [3] https://github.com/swiz/
>

Re: MVC framework

Posted by dude <du...@atheist.com>.

0. There is not 'the best' and you don't really need it, as Flex/AS3
itself is already capable of MVC/MV(V)P itself.
1. Tide (GraniteDS) - most complete solution replacing BlazeDS/LCDS.
Tide is GraniteDS's IoC framework. I'd pick this for a new project. [1]
2. Parsley (my favorite) - IMHO the best decoupling framework out there.
It's great and has everything you need for MVC/MVP or IoC/DI. We love
it. [2]
3. Swiz - might be donated to Apache soon. Haven't used it myself in
production, but gets recommended every now and then. [3]
4. Some more here: http://www.spoon.as/ecosystem/application-frameworks/

[1] http://www.graniteds.org/
[2] http://www.spicefactory.org/parsley/
[3] https://github.com/swiz/

Re: MVC framework

Posted by Carlos Velasco <ca...@gmail.com>.

In case you like PureMVC, take a look at Uriana, which is quite similar but
adds so many built-in libraries and automations.


2013/7/25 Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com>

> Hi,
> until now I'm using PureMVC multicore with my Flex projects but it seems
> that PureMVC is an "old steamer".
> Starting a new project I'd like to ask if anybody has experience with
> Robotlegs2 or mvcExpress.
> Or is there an other highly recommended MVC framework or is it currently
> the best way to use Flex only without any third party micro framework;-)
>
> Thanks
> Olaf
>
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Re: MVC framework

Posted by David Hamiter <in...@professorfripples.com>.

Very nice, Carlos!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Carlos Velasco
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:56 PM
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: MVC framework

I forgot the Uriana link:
https://www.assembla.com/spaces/uriana/wiki


2013/7/25 Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com>

> Hi,
> until now I'm using PureMVC multicore with my Flex projects but it seems
> that PureMVC is an "old steamer".
> Starting a new project I'd like to ask if anybody has experience with
> Robotlegs2 or mvcExpress.
> Or is there an other highly recommended MVC framework or is it currently
> the best way to use Flex only without any third party micro framework;-)
>
> Thanks
> Olaf
>
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Re: MVC framework

Posted by Carlos Velasco <ca...@gmail.com>.

I forgot the Uriana link:
https://www.assembla.com/spaces/uriana/wiki


2013/7/25 Krüger, Olaf <OK...@edscha.com>

> Hi,
> until now I'm using PureMVC multicore with my Flex projects but it seems
> that PureMVC is an "old steamer".
> Starting a new project I'd like to ask if anybody has experience with
> Robotlegs2 or mvcExpress.
> Or is there an other highly recommended MVC framework or is it currently
> the best way to use Flex only without any third party micro framework;-)
>
> Thanks
> Olaf
>
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