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revision of allan-site ...may9
hi again
here's yet another version with some changes that you guys
wanted and some new stuff.
->
http://perl.apache.org/preview/allan-May9/dst_html/index.html
[thanks for the upload & build work, stas!]
changes:
* all nav/download widgets are now lower (15-16px)
* the menu-titles are now white on a darkblue background
[the font is fixed 14px]
* the menu-border is a dark gray [instead of fadish dark
blue] no-one noticed this on the last upload which i take as
a good sign ;)
* the selected menu-item now has a background-image instead
of the bg-colour. the very cool thing is that we maintain
the font on top of the image instead of a complete image
with integrated fonts (that would also imply different
images for each and every menu-item)
- the property for the background-image are in-line [it has
to, due to netscape].
(if you look at the filename you can see i tried to just
have the menu-titles with this background-image which also
looked nice IMO but decided to use it on the selected item instead)
* the selected menu-item font-color is black
* the search-box is now very compact and looks correct in
the browsers i have acces to.
- there should be no horizontal white-space apart from the
1px padding from the table
(please check how i fixed that with a font style trick
[i'm almost proud of it])
* the body tag is now just <body> which i personally like.
- instead the properties for the background are in-line
[they have to, due to netscape]
- if a user has turned off stylesheets the bg-image will
not show up which is a small benfit in our case. instead he
will have a white background making the content easier to read.
(we discussed this ages ago, but it seems to work now in all
my browsers)
* minor things:
- changed The Site Map -> Site Map
- changed Hot Short Cuts -> Hot short cuts
- changed sister sites -> Sister sites
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BTW, shouldn't the site map menu-item show up as selected
when you click it?
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thanks
./allan
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
allan wrote:
> i forgot to request someone with a
>
> linux/ns4 browser.
> and
> linux/konqueror browser.
>
> how does the very top span?
> is the camel at the far right like other browsers?
i just posted my comments.
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
i forgot to request someone with a
linux/ns4 browser.
and
linux/konqueror browser.
how does the very top span?
is the camel at the far right like other browsers?
thanks
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by Thomas Klausner <do...@zsi.at>.
Hi!
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:45:11PM +0800, allan wrote:
> * the selected menu-item now has a background-image instead
> of the bg-colour. the very cool thing is that we maintain
-1
Additionally to what the others said, the image seems like a optical
illusion, as the two horizontal lines don't look paralell, but outward-bent.
> - changed The Site Map -> Site Map
+1
> - changed Hot Short Cuts -> Hot short cuts
"Short Cuts" might be enough.
> - changed sister sites -> Sister sites
+1
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
Per Einar Ellefsen wrote:
> >* the menu-titles are now white on a darkblue background
> >[the font is fixed 14px]
>
> -1
> Hmm, why not keep them as they were before any changes were made? Everyone
> seemed happy with them. These new ones hurt my eyes when I look at them
> (not that they're ugly, but they stand out too much IMO.
>
> >* the selected menu-item now has a background-image instead
> >of the bg-colour. the very cool thing is that we maintain
> >the font on top of the image instead of a complete image
> >with integrated fonts (that would also imply different
> >images for each and every menu-item)
>
> -1. I think it's very hard to spot the text of the link now, and it doesn't
> add any good things.
>
> >* the selected menu-item font-color is black
>
> -1 again
i hear you - im trying different things. try yourself if you
have time with the coffee-break-game i just sent.
i changed my mind and now like the idea of a lighter
bg-image as the menu-title background.
> >* the search-box is now very compact and looks correct in
> >the browsers i have acces to.
> > - there should be no horizontal white-space apart from the
> >1px padding from the table
> > (please check how i fixed that with a font style trick
> >[i'm almost proud of it])
>
> +1. Still a lot of whitespace *around* it in IE6, but that's not a problem.
ok, but i will post another idea ... with time
> Can't we just make it "Shortcuts"? They don't need to be "Hot" :)
+1
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
thanks per!
Per Einar Ellefsen wrote:
> form.search-box {
> margin-bottom: 0;
> margin-top: 0;
> }
>
> did the job. And it still works ok in Opera 6, Mozilla 0.9.9.
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by Per Einar Ellefsen <pe...@skynet.be>.
At 07:32 10.05.2002, allan wrote:
>Per Einar Ellefsen wrote:
> > >* the search-box is now very compact and looks correct in
> > >the browsers i have acces to.
> > > - there should be no horizontal white-space apart from the
> > >1px padding from the table
> > > (please check how i fixed that with a font style trick
> > >[i'm almost proud of it])
> >
> > +1. Still a lot of whitespace *around* it in IE6, but that's not a problem.
>
>try to add this in style.css
>
>form.search-box {
> margin-bottom: 0px;
>}
>
>and this in the html form:
>
>class=search-box
>
>did that help?
Nice!
form.search-box {
margin-bottom: 0;
margin-top: 0;
}
did the job. And it still works ok in Opera 6, Mozilla 0.9.9.
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
Stas Bekman wrote:
> (you are fixing all these in your copy, right allan?)
yes, i will try and make a new copy integrating all
positively fixed things...
> I prefer it broken in konqueror (where the only problem is shifted
> camel), but it doesn't pay off the problems in NS4. Can we revert?
ok reverting.
thanks
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
>>in konqueror it's a bit messed up (no center alignment). see the snapshot.
>
>
>
> that's hard to understand - can you try and specify one of these:
>
>
> div.search-box {
> width: 140px; / *or something like that /
> margin: auto; /* might not be need */
> }
that doesn't work
> or in the html:
> <div class="search-box">
> <form method="GET" action="../search/swish.cgi"
> enctype="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" name="site_search_form">
> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="1" width="100%">
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (or another width)
that does work!
>>>Can't we just make it "Shortcuts"? They don't need to be "Hot" :)
>>
>>Sure :)
>>
>>A few more things that I've noticed:
>>
>>konqueror: Lincoln Stein looks too big, see the snapshot.
>
>
>
> argh:
> please try this:
> div.quote-details {
> font-family: helvetica, arial, verdana, sans-serif;
> ...
yes, that was the problem. ok now.
(you are fixing all these in your copy, right allan?)
>>NS4: the navigation prev|next is shifting off the page. see the
>>snapshot. This doesn't happen with the current cvs.
>
>
> yes thats the width: 100% for the logobox (whcih fixed konqueror)
I prefer it broken in konqueror (where the only problem is shifted
camel), but it doesn't pay off the problems in NS4. Can we revert?
Thanks!
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
Stas Bekman wrote:
>
> Great stuff, Allan! Hopefully we will be done soon :)
oh yeah!
>
> >> * the search-box is now very compact and looks correct in
> >> the browsers i have acces to.
> >> - there should be no horizontal white-space apart from the
> >> 1px padding from the table
> >> (please check how i fixed that with a font style trick
> >> [i'm almost proud of it])
> >
> >
> > +1. Still a lot of whitespace *around* it in IE6, but that's not a problem.
>
> in konqueror it's a bit messed up (no center alignment). see the snapshot.
that's hard to understand - can you try and specify one of these:
div.search-box {
width: 140px; / *or something like that /
margin: auto; /* might not be need */
}
or in the html:
<div class="search-box">
<form method="GET" action="../search/swish.cgi"
enctype="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" name="site_search_form">
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="1" width="100%">
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(or another width)
> > Can't we just make it "Shortcuts"? They don't need to be "Hot" :)
>
> Sure :)
>
> A few more things that I've noticed:
>
> konqueror: Lincoln Stein looks too big, see the snapshot.
argh:
please try this:
div.quote-details {
font-family: helvetica, arial, verdana, sans-serif;
...
> NS4: the navigation prev|next is shifting off the page. see the
> snapshot. This doesn't happen with the current cvs.
yes thats the width: 100% for the logobox (whcih fixed konqueror)
....
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by Stas Bekman <st...@stason.org>.
Great stuff, Allan! Hopefully we will be done soon :)
>> * the menu-titles are now white on a darkblue background
>> [the font is fixed 14px]
>
>
> -1
> Hmm, why not keep them as they were before any changes were made?
> Everyone seemed happy with them. These new ones hurt my eyes when I look
> at them (not that they're ugly, but they stand out too much IMO.
-1, same as Per Einar
>> * the selected menu-item now has a background-image instead
>> of the bg-colour. the very cool thing is that we maintain
>> the font on top of the image instead of a complete image
>> with integrated fonts (that would also imply different
>> images for each and every menu-item)
>
>
> -1. I think it's very hard to spot the text of the link now, and it
> doesn't add any good things.
-1, ditto
though it looks very cool! but becomes annoying in a long run.
>> * the selected menu-item font-color is black
>
>
> -1 again
well, that of course relates to the above changes.
>> * the search-box is now very compact and looks correct in
>> the browsers i have acces to.
>> - there should be no horizontal white-space apart from the
>> 1px padding from the table
>> (please check how i fixed that with a font style trick
>> [i'm almost proud of it])
>
>
> +1. Still a lot of whitespace *around* it in IE6, but that's not a problem.
in konqueror it's a bit messed up (no center alignment). see the snapshot.
>> * the body tag is now just <body> which i personally like.
>> - instead the properties for the background are in-line
>> [they have to, due to netscape]
>> - if a user has turned off stylesheets the bg-image will
>> not show up which is a small benfit in our case. instead he
>> will have a white background making the content easier to read.
>>
>> (we discussed this ages ago, but it seems to work now in all
>> my browsers)
>
>
> +1
+1, looks good here
>> * minor things:
>> - changed The Site Map -> Site Map
>> - changed Hot Short Cuts -> Hot short cuts
why? They are titles. Titles are always Upcase for words longer than 2-3
letters
> Can't we just make it "Shortcuts"? They don't need to be "Hot" :)
Sure :)
A few more things that I've noticed:
konqueror: Lincoln Stein looks too big, see the snapshot.
NS4: the navigation prev|next is shifting off the page. see the
snapshot. This doesn't happen with the current cvs.
The rest looks great!
__________________________________________________________________
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http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org
mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com
http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by allan <la...@inet.uni2.dk>.
Per Einar Ellefsen wrote:
> >* the search-box is now very compact and looks correct in
> >the browsers i have acces to.
> > - there should be no horizontal white-space apart from the
> >1px padding from the table
> > (please check how i fixed that with a font style trick
> >[i'm almost proud of it])
>
> +1. Still a lot of whitespace *around* it in IE6, but that's not a problem.
try to add this in style.css
form.search-box {
margin-bottom: 0px;
}
and this in the html form:
class=search-box
did that help?
./allan
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Re: revision of allan-site ...may9
Posted by Per Einar Ellefsen <pe...@skynet.be>.
At 14:45 09.05.2002, allan wrote:
>changes:
>
>* all nav/download widgets are now lower (15-16px)
+1
>* the menu-titles are now white on a darkblue background
>[the font is fixed 14px]
-1
Hmm, why not keep them as they were before any changes were made? Everyone
seemed happy with them. These new ones hurt my eyes when I look at them
(not that they're ugly, but they stand out too much IMO.
>* the selected menu-item now has a background-image instead
>of the bg-colour. the very cool thing is that we maintain
>the font on top of the image instead of a complete image
>with integrated fonts (that would also imply different
>images for each and every menu-item)
-1. I think it's very hard to spot the text of the link now, and it doesn't
add any good things.
>* the selected menu-item font-color is black
-1 again
>* the search-box is now very compact and looks correct in
>the browsers i have acces to.
> - there should be no horizontal white-space apart from the
>1px padding from the table
> (please check how i fixed that with a font style trick
>[i'm almost proud of it])
+1. Still a lot of whitespace *around* it in IE6, but that's not a problem.
>* the body tag is now just <body> which i personally like.
> - instead the properties for the background are in-line
>[they have to, due to netscape]
> - if a user has turned off stylesheets the bg-image will
>not show up which is a small benfit in our case. instead he
>will have a white background making the content easier to read.
>
>(we discussed this ages ago, but it seems to work now in all
>my browsers)
+1
>* minor things:
>- changed The Site Map -> Site Map
>- changed Hot Short Cuts -> Hot short cuts
Can't we just make it "Shortcuts"? They don't need to be "Hot" :)
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Per Einar Ellefsen
per.einar@skynet.be
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