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Posted to fortress@directory.apache.org by Shawn McKinney <sm...@apache.org> on 2022/04/08 15:17:49 UTC
Last call for Java 8 support
Hello,
It’s becoming increasingly difficult to justify supporting Java 8 in the fortress codeline. Dependencies like Wicket and JGraphT require 9 and 11, respectively. Both very important libraries to us.
But, if you still need Java 8 support, we can discuss it here. I’m not opposed to splitting the code in two.
Version 2.x can continue to support 8, for some predetermined amount of time. Probably coinciding with the openjdk’s EOF for 8.
Version 3.x will be >= 9.
Obviously, this adds weight to the development of the code. But, we don’t want to abandon users who continue to require 8.
On the other hand, if there’s no need for 8 support, I’d be more than happy to cut ties with it. There’s certainly nothing in the fortress code itself that requires the more primitive compiler.
This is your opportunity to weigh in on the topic.
If we don’t hear anything, there’ll be an announcement declaring Java 8 support deprecated. Then, we’d probably cut one more release supporting it, 2.0.8, and then continue on with version 3 dropping its support.
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Re: Last call for Java 8 support
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Ah, right. Security support are going to be provided till 2024.
On 11/04/2022 15:45, Shawn McKinney wrote:
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>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 6:02 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Only if you pay. And we are talking about big $.
>>
>> We have absolutely no way to get those corrected Java versions which may have an impact on our code base.
>>
>> That's why I think we should move forward.
>
>
> Are you referring to Oracle's JDK? I’m talking about the OpenJDK
>
> https://endoflife.date/java
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Re: Last call for Java 8 support
Posted by Shawn McKinney <sm...@apache.org>.
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 6:02 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Only if you pay. And we are talking about big $.
>
> We have absolutely no way to get those corrected Java versions which may have an impact on our code base.
>
> That's why I think we should move forward.
Are you referring to Oracle's JDK? I’m talking about the OpenJDK
https://endoflife.date/java
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Re: Last call for Java 8 support
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
On 10/04/2022 20:10, Shawn McKinney wrote:
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>> On Apr 8, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Java 8 active support has been EOLed 1 week ago. There is no way we will go for a pay support, so IMO, the switch to Java 11 or 17 is the way to go.
>
> Hello Emmanuel,
>
> Yes, but 8 will continue to have security patches for some time (3 years) and is still widely used.
Only if you pay. And we are talking about big $.
We have absolutely no way to get those corrected Java versions which may
have an impact on our code base.
That's why I think we should move forward.
>
> Because we’re a security library and mission critical software, it’s important for us to support older versions, if practical.
>
> Having said that, if no one chimes in, we’ll likely leave 8 behind for next release, 3.0.0.
>
> No irreversible steps here. If a compelling case to support 8 comes up later, it will be possible to do, via a branch off the last release, e.g. 2.0.8
>
> Thanks for weighing in Emmanuel
>
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> Shawn
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Re: Last call for Java 8 support
Posted by Shawn McKinney <sm...@apache.org>.
> On Apr 8, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Java 8 active support has been EOLed 1 week ago. There is no way we will go for a pay support, so IMO, the switch to Java 11 or 17 is the way to go.
Hello Emmanuel,
Yes, but 8 will continue to have security patches for some time (3 years) and is still widely used.
Because we’re a security library and mission critical software, it’s important for us to support older versions, if practical.
Having said that, if no one chimes in, we’ll likely leave 8 behind for next release, 3.0.0.
No irreversible steps here. If a compelling case to support 8 comes up later, it will be possible to do, via a branch off the last release, e.g. 2.0.8
Thanks for weighing in Emmanuel
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Re: Last call for Java 8 support
Posted by Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>.
Hi Shawn,
Java 8 active support has been EOLed 1 week ago. There is no way we will
go for a pay support, so IMO, the switch to Java 11 or 17 is the way to go.
On 08/04/2022 17:17, Shawn McKinney wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It’s becoming increasingly difficult to justify supporting Java 8 in the fortress codeline. Dependencies like Wicket and JGraphT require 9 and 11, respectively. Both very important libraries to us.
>
> But, if you still need Java 8 support, we can discuss it here. I’m not opposed to splitting the code in two.
>
> Version 2.x can continue to support 8, for some predetermined amount of time. Probably coinciding with the openjdk’s EOF for 8.
>
> Version 3.x will be >= 9.
>
> Obviously, this adds weight to the development of the code. But, we don’t want to abandon users who continue to require 8.
>
> On the other hand, if there’s no need for 8 support, I’d be more than happy to cut ties with it. There’s certainly nothing in the fortress code itself that requires the more primitive compiler.
>
> This is your opportunity to weigh in on the topic.
>
> If we don’t hear anything, there’ll be an announcement declaring Java 8 support deprecated. Then, we’d probably cut one more release supporting it, 2.0.8, and then continue on with version 3 dropping its support.
>
> —
> Shawn
>
>
>
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