RE: User facing web items - IP concerns

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>]

My nosing around so far leads me to believe that this is like the response to the Facebook "relationship" question: "It's complicated."  Until Facebook, I had no idea how many people said that about their relationships.

Some sites have explicit CC-share-alike content, some have code that is apparently derivative of the OpenOffice.org LGPL3 base, and Sun/Oracle made a mess of the licensing used on and around the openoffice.org site, including a terms of use that defaults a permissive license that apparently not many people had ever seen or knew existed.  

I signed up on the wiki.services.openoffice.org wiki just the other day and I saw no indication of the terms of use, just the lame wiki copyright page.  

In addition, as Jean Weber points out, the on-line user documentation does have explicit copyright notices.

Hmm, I haven't nosed into the forums.  Or the bugzilla either.  Well, it's complicated.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgardler@opendirective.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:24
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: User facing web items

Can you please clarify the legal status of the content on the forums?

We've been told code is Apache licensed, but what about the content?

This same question applies to the content on the user mail lists (asked about elsewhere in this thread). 

Ross

Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)

On 18 Jun 2011, at 18:14, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> On Jun 18, 2011, at 9:33 AM, eric b wrote:
> 
>> OOops, sorry, should read:
>> 
>> "Can someone explain why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are missing in this list ?"
> 
> Thanks for the reminder.
> 
> As for explanations the Apache podling and committers are still getting organized. The project website is just there and we had our first commits in our SVN repos just last night - the website. We are waiting on Wikis. Haven't decided on Bugzilla vs. JIRA ...
> 
> Keep watching and tell use what you need. "Patches are welcome", but we don't have much to patch yet.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Dave
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,,
>> Eric Bachard
>> 
>> -- 
>> qɔᴉɹə
>> Education Project:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
>> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
>> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
>> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
> 

Re: User facing web items - IP concerns

[Rob Weir <ap...@robweir.com>]

In general, everyone should be familiar with this page, which
describes which licenses may be used in Apache projects:

http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html

There is a list of licenses which are compatible, another list that is
not compatible.  If we find something that is outside either of those
lists, we should seek advice from Apache Legal Affairs.

-Rob


On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:50 AM, C <sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Le 18/06/11 19:43, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :
>>> I signed up on the wiki.services.openoffice.org wiki just the other day and I saw no indication of the terms of use, just the lame wiki copyright page.
>
> There were _many_ attempts to correct the OOo Wiki licensing over the
> past few years, and each time it was derailed by one community member
> or another who either loudly disagreed with the proposed licenses and
> changes, or who insisted there was no need for a change... in the end
> the various parties that were trying to correct the problem gave up
> because of the endless arguing and left it alone.
>
>
> C.
>

Re: User facing web items - IP concerns

[C <sm...@gmail.com>]

> Le 18/06/11 19:43, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :
>> I signed up on the wiki.services.openoffice.org wiki just the other day and I saw no indication of the terms of use, just the lame wiki copyright page.

There were _many_ attempts to correct the OOo Wiki licensing over the
past few years, and each time it was derailed by one community member
or another who either loudly disagreed with the proposed licenses and
changes, or who insisted there was no need for a change... in the end
the various parties that were trying to correct the problem gave up
because of the endless arguing and left it alone.


C.

Re: User facing web items - IP concerns

[Alexander Thurgood <al...@gmail.com>]

Le 18/06/11 19:43, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :

Hi Dennis,

> My nosing around so far leads me to believe that this is like the response to the Facebook "relationship" question: "It's complicated."  Until Facebook, I had no idea how many people said that about their relationships.
> 
> Some sites have explicit CC-share-alike content, some have code that is apparently derivative of the OpenOffice.org LGPL3 base, and Sun/Oracle made a mess of the licensing used on and around the openoffice.org site, including a terms of use that defaults a permissive license that apparently not many people had ever seen or knew existed.  
> 
> I signed up on the wiki.services.openoffice.org wiki just the other day and I saw no indication of the terms of use, just the lame wiki copyright page.  
> 
> In addition, as Jean Weber points out, the on-line user documentation does have explicit copyright notices.
> 
> Hmm, I haven't nosed into the forums.  Or the bugzilla either.  Well, it's complicated.
> 


You have a point. I know that on the OOo French native language project,
for example, documents have been published in the past under the Gnu
Public Documentation Licence (PDL), the Free Documentation Licence, and
I think also various shades of CC.

Alex