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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> on 2011/06/10 18:02:44 UTC
[VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
*** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
Apache Incubator project.
At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
is a link to the document in the wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
scan and review the archives for this month:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
Please cast your votes:
[ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
[ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
This vote will close 72 hours from now.
- Sam Ruby
= OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
== Abstract ==
!OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
!OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
operation systems, with more
[[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
!OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
== Proposal ==
Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
!OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
namely:
"To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
will run on all major platforms and provide access to all
functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an
XML-based file format."
In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
document automation scenarios.
== Background ==
!OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
[[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
million downloads]] in its first year. The
[[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
other resources.
== Rationale ==
!OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
!OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
= Current Status =
== Meritocracy ==
We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
== Community ==
The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
!OpenOffice.org include:
* !LibreOffice
* [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
[[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
* IBM Lotus Symphony
* !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
* !NeoOffice
* !EurOffice
A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
illustrated in this time line:
{{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
might include:
1. a user community
1. a developer community
1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g.,
an extended ecosystem
In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
involves changes of the core components.
In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
!OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
!OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
!OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
!OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
projects.
One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
this project.
One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
== Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
contributions to be integrated.
There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
a priority early in the life of the podlet.
== Core Developers ==
The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
== Marketing ==
Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
realised previously.
== Education ==
Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
World''' :
* Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
(all levels of Education are concerned )
* Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
!OpenOffice.org
* Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
integrated, following the
[[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
* !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
efforts and are in demand
== Alignment ==
The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
desktop operating systems.
= Known Risks =
== Orphaned products ==
We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
volunteers, there is a
__significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project
and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by
the community.
== Inexperience with Open Source ==
The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
involved with the project previously.
The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
who have signed up to support this project.
== Homogeneous Developers ==
!OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order
to further strengthen and diversify this project.
In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
== Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers,
with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help
remove the project reliance on developers from any single company.
== Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
have been suggested, including:
[[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
discussions on this have been promising)
[[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
[[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
like test cases between these projects would be great.
[[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
libraries
[[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
We are interested in further exploring these options.
== A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
!OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
around open source software development more than any fascination with
the brand.
== Documentation ==
Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
[[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
== Localization ==
This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
== Initial Source ==
The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
*
[[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
Connector module]]
*
[[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
images]]
*
[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
== External Dependencies ==
!OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
dependencies can be found
[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but
options available to us include:
* Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
* Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
* Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
* Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
* Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
* Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
similar effort done on that product.
== Cryptography ==
!OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related
to these features.
== Required Resources ==
Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
project infrastructure is created.
=== Mailing Lists ===
The following mailing lists:
* `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
* `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
* `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
* `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
notifications
'''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
!OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
=== Other resources ===
A subversion repository
A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
phpBB end-user forums
Download site
TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
infrastructure group to act on.
== Initial Committers ==
In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
[[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
Project]] || ||
||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
||yes ||
||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
Infrastructure || ||
||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
[[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
[[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
[[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
|| ||
||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
||Individual || ||
||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
||Individual || ||
||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
Marketing project]] || ||
||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
([[orcmid]]) || ||
||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
[[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
Project || ||
||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
project lead || ||
||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
[[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
[[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
[[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
[[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
[[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
development]] || ||
||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
|| ||
||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
||yes ||
||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
[[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
[[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
!OpenOffice.org || ||
||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
|| ||
||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
[[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
[[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
Accessibility || ||
||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
Spreadsheet]] || ||
||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
[[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
||yes ||
||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
[[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
Zealand]] || ||
||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
|| ||
||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
|| ||
||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
Security]] ||Yes ||
||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
Impress]] || ||
||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
||Yes ||
||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
= Sponsors =
== Champion ==
Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
== Nominated Mentors ==
Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
following disciplines:
a. IP review
a. infrastructure
a. release management
a. community development
Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
* Jim Jagielski
* Sam Ruby
* Danese Cooper
* Shane Curcuru
* Nóirín Plunkett
* Joe Schaefer
* Christian Grobmeier
* Ross Gardler
== Sponsoring Entity ==
The Apache Incubator
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
-0 (binding)
I concur with Sanjiva and it seems to be just a political move to me.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 19:04, Sanjiva Weerawarana
<sa...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> -1, as I feel this is not in the best interests of the world but rather of a
> few powers.
>
> (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active ..
> so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
>
> Sanjiva.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
>> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>>
>> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
>> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
>> Apache Incubator project.
>>
>> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is
>> a link to the document in the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>>
>> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
>> and review the archives for this month:
>>
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
>> == Abstract ==
>> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
>> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
>> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
>> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
>> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
>> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
>> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>>
>> == Proposal ==
>> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
>> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
>> namely:
>>
>> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
>> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
>> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>>
>> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
>> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
>> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
>> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
>> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
>> document automation scenarios.
>>
>> == Background ==
>> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
>> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
>> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
>> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
>> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
>> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[
>> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100million downloads]] in its first year. The [[
>> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|mostrecent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
>> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
>> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
>> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
>> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
>> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>>
>> == Rationale ==
>> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
>> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
>> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
>> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
>> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
>> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
>> collaborative fashion.
>>
>> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
>> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>>
>> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
>> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
>> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
>> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
>> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
>> of the Open Document Format standard.
>>
>> = Current Status =
>> == Meritocracy ==
>> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
>> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
>> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
>> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
>> take on additional community responsibilities.
>>
>> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
>> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
>> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
>> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
>> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
>> !OpenOffice.org project.
>>
>> == Community ==
>> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
>> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
>> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
>> !OpenOffice.org include:
>>
>> * !LibreOffice
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org
>> |OOoLight]]
>>
>> * IBM Lotus Symphony
>> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>>
>> * !NeoOffice
>>
>> * !EurOffice
>>
>> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
>> illustrated in this time line:
>>
>> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>>
>> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
>> might include:
>>
>> 1. a user community
>> 1. a developer community
>> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
>> extended ecosystem
>>
>> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
>> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
>> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
>> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
>> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
>> core components.
>>
>> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
>> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
>> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
>> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
>> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
>> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>>
>> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
>> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
>> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
>> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
>> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
>> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
>> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
>> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
>> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>>
>> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
>> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
>> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
>> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
>> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
>> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
>> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
>> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
>> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
>> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
>> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
>> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
>> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>>
>> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
>> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
>> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
>> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>>
>> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
>> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
>> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
>> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
>> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
>> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
>> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
>> be integrated.
>>
>> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
>> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
>> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
>> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
>> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
>> the podlet.
>>
>> == Core Developers ==
>> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
>> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
>> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
>> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
>> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>>
>> == Marketing ==
>> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
>> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
>> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
>> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
>> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
>> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
>> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
>> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>>
>> == Education ==
>> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
>> World''' :
>>
>> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
>> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
>> of Education are concerned )
>>
>> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
>> !OpenOffice.org
>>
>> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
>> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
>> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
>> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>>
>> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
>> efforts and are in demand
>>
>> == Alignment ==
>> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
>> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
>> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
>> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
>> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
>> operating systems.
>>
>> = Known Risks =
>> == Orphaned products ==
>> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
>> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
>> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
>> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
>> __significant__[[
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporatecommittment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
>> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
>> community.
>>
>> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
>> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
>> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
>> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
>> previously.
>>
>> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
>> have signed up to support this project.
>>
>> == Homogeneous Developers ==
>> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
>> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this
>> project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We
>> intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further
>> strengthen and diversify this project.
>>
>> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
>> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
>> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
>> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>>
>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
>> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
>> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
>> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
>> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
>> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
>> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
>> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
>> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
>> developers from any single company.
>>
>> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
>> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
>> been suggested, including:
>>
>> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
>> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
>> discussions on this have been promising)
>>
>> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
>> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
>> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>>
>> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
>> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
>> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
>> between these projects would be great.
>>
>> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
>> libraries
>>
>> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>>
>> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>>
>> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
>> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
>> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>>
>> == Documentation ==
>> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[
>> http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>>
>> == Localization ==
>> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>>
>> == Initial Source ==
>> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
>> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>>
>> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>>
>> * [[
>> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQLConnector module]]
>>
>> * [[
>> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|defaultimages]]
>>
>> * [[
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces(CWS)]]
>>
>> == External Dependencies ==
>> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
>> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
>> dependencies can be found [[
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>>
>> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
>> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
>> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
>> available to us include:
>>
>> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
>> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
>> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
>> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
>> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
>> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>>
>> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
>> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
>> similar effort done on that product.
>>
>> == Cryptography ==
>> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
>> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
>> these features.
>>
>> == Required Resources ==
>> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
>> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
>> infrastructure is created.
>>
>> === Mailing Lists ===
>> The following mailing lists:
>>
>> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>>
>> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>>
>> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>>
>> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
>> notifications
>>
>> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
>> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
>> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>>
>> === Other resources ===
>> A subversion repository
>>
>> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>>
>> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>>
>> phpBB end-user forums
>>
>> Download site
>>
>> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>>
>> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
>> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
>> infrastructure group to act on.
>>
>> == Initial Committers ==
>> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
>> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the
>> initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
>> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
>> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on
>> this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code
>> (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
>> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
>> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
>> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[
>> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org
>> |EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
>> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]]
>> !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
>> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
>> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>> designer || ||
>> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[
>> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
>> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[
>> http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[
>> http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
>> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[
>> http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
>> || ||
>> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
>> ||Individual || ||
>> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[
>> http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
>> project]] || ||
>> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
>> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]])
>> || ||
>> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[
>> http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
>> Project || ||
>> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
>> project lead || ||
>> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
>> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
>> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
>> http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
>> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[
>> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
>> http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[
>> http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
>> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
>> Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[
>> http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
>> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] ||
>> ||
>> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
>> ||
>> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
>> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
>> Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum ||
>> ||
>> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
>> Labs]] ||yes ||
>> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[
>> http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
>> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[
>> http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]]
>> || ||
>> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]])
>> || ||
>> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> || ||
>> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
>> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
>> ||
>> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[
>> http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[
>> http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
>> Accessibility || ||
>> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
>> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
>> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Spreadsheet]] || ||
>> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[
>> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
>> Zealand]] || ||
>> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[
>> http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
>> || ||
>> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
>> ||
>> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
>> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
>> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[
>> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials
>> For OpenOffice]] || ||
>> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Impress]] || ||
>> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
>> ||Yes ||
>> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Writer, Impress]] || ||
>> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] ||
>> ||
>> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
>> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
>> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[
>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[
>> http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
>> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> = Sponsors =
>> == Champion ==
>> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>>
>> == Nominated Mentors ==
>> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
>> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
>> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>>
>> a. IP review
>> a. infrastructure
>> a. release management
>> a. community development
>>
>> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>>
>> * Jim Jagielski
>> * Sam Ruby
>> * Danese Cooper
>> * Shane Curcuru
>> * Nóirín Plunkett
>> * Joe Schaefer
>> * Christian Grobmeier
>> * Ross Gardler
>>
>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>> The Apache Incubator
>>
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Re: Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Counters typically check the names against the pmc roster, so it's ok
-- dims
On 06/10/2011 01:38 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Yes, me too.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I forgot to add (binding) to my +1, but I don't think I'm alone.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
>> <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2011 12:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active ..
>>>> so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
>>>
>>> Then you just cast a binding vote. Feel free to change it, or withdraw it,
>>> but the committee roster determines which binds. Not active ... in the past
>>> week? month? year? ever? That simply does not matter and vote counters don't
>>> apply such a metric :)
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Re: Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Yes, me too.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I forgot to add (binding) to my +1, but I don't think I'm alone.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
> <wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> On 6/10/2011 12:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>>>
>>> (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active ..
>>> so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
>>
>> Then you just cast a binding vote. Feel free to change it, or withdraw it,
>> but the committee roster determines which binds. Not active ... in the past
>> week? month? year? ever? That simply does not matter and vote counters don't
>> apply such a metric :)
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Re: Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
I forgot to add (binding) to my +1, but I don't think I'm alone.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:12 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
<wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> On 6/10/2011 12:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>>
>> (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active ..
>> so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
>
> Then you just cast a binding vote. Feel free to change it, or withdraw it,
> but the committee roster determines which binds. Not active ... in the past
> week? month? year? ever? That simply does not matter and vote counters don't
> apply such a metric :)
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Re: Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 6/10/2011 2:04 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>
> Please. Being on a PMC can't *reduce* one's rights.
>
> So, if I were on the PMC and I said "+1 (intentionally non-binding)",
> I would expect it not to be counted as binding.
Then state "I would vote +1 but haven't spent sufficient time reviewing
this, so please count me as abstained". Sam isn't responsible for parsing
every follow-up to every valid [VOTE]. If you mean not to vote, be
explicit.
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Re: Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
William A. Rowe Jr. wrote on Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:12:54 -0500:
> On 6/10/2011 12:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> >
> > (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active ..
> > so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
>
> Then you just cast a binding vote. Feel free to change it, or withdraw it,
> but the committee roster determines which binds. Not active ... in the past
> week? month? year? ever? That simply does not matter and vote counters don't
> apply such a metric :)
Please. Being on a PMC can't *reduce* one's rights.
So, if I were on the PMC and I said "+1 (intentionally non-binding)",
I would expect it not to be counted as binding.
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Re: Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
I have been active before :). So the vote is binding.
Sanjiva.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:42 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
<wr...@rowe-clan.net>wrote:
> On 6/10/2011 12:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> >
> > (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active
> ..
> > so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
>
> Then you just cast a binding vote. Feel free to change it, or withdraw it,
> but the committee roster determines which binds. Not active ... in the
> past
> week? month? year? ever? That simply does not matter and vote counters
> don't
> apply such a metric :)
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Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 6/10/2011 12:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>
> (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active ..
> so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
Then you just cast a binding vote. Feel free to change it, or withdraw it,
but the committee roster determines which binds. Not active ... in the past
week? month? year? ever? That simply does not matter and vote counters don't
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>.
-1, as I feel this is not in the best interests of the world but rather of a
few powers.
(Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active ..
so lets chalk this up for non-binding.)
Sanjiva.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is
> a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[
> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100million downloads]] in its first year. The [[
> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|mostrecent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org
> |OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[
> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporatecommittment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this
> project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We
> intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further
> strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[
> http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[
> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQLConnector module]]
>
> * [[
> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|defaultimages]]
>
> * [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces(CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
> similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the
> initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on
> this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code
> (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[
> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org
> |EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]]
> !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
> designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[
> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[
> http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[
> http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]])
> || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[
> http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
> http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[
> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
> http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[
> http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[
> http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] ||
> ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum ||
> ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[
> http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[
> http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]]
> || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]])
> || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[
> http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[
> http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[
> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[
> http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials
> For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] ||
> ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[
> http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02:44PM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (binding)
Marvin Humphrey
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
(binding)
- Shane
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org>.
+1 [binding]
Alex
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "Manfred A. Reiter" <ma...@gmail.com>.
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
+/- 0 (non binding)
I am still going back and forth, on whether or not.
against:
I understand very well most of the arguments from André
https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/1307a4afb87824f5
Please see here http://openoffice.org/projects/de/lists/users/archive
as the number of messages on the user mailing list is going down. We
are today by more or less 1/10th of the emails peak, we had on the
german "user"list. I assume that the user did notice the wrangling
over OOo, and they were looking for alternatives. A product should be
released asap, ore OOo will loose more users.
I saw emails here during incubation which were not answere because
IMHO the questions were distressing. I heard here some caustically
notes, inappropriate to build a community.
Nearly the whole and very active community in Brasil switched to LO. A
lot of very brilliant and active members of the german community are
working now at LO, doing a very good job.
in favor:
On the other side, a lot of brilliant hackers are joining the project,
and I see a lot of experienced and honorable "Hamburg-people" ;-).
conclusion:
Are ASF people aware, that "How the ASF works" has to be rewritten?
A new role has to be created? "Enduser", because not every user of
OOo did what a ASF "user" has to do (i mean user in terms of
contributor).
IMHO, OOo and LO must find a way out of "divide et impera".
I think it's not neccessary to explain who else might be interested in
a riven and broken community.
Doing the same things twice is not economic, it is inefficent and
worse it's stupid.
Manfred
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Non-binding.
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mathias Bauer <Ma...@gmx.net>.
+1 (non-binding)
Regards,
Mathias
On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
> a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
> presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
> !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
> operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
> and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
> to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
> available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
> applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
> other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
> on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
> other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
> open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
> and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
> related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
> the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
> merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
> A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
> stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
> a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
> of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
> involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
> into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
> they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
> secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
> likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
> on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
> generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
> !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
> e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
> We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
> !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
> projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
> disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
> easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
> We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
> communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
> fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
> maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
> in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
> So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
> a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
> possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
> this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
> redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
> as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
> will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
> that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
> by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
> contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
> a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
> to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
> source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
> EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
> existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
> raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
> related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
> and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
> OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
> substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
> realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
> evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
> desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
> involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to
> further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with
> the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
> not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
> license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove
> the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
> is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
> around open source software development more than any fascination with
> the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
> similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
> project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
> on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
> code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
> || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
> || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
> especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
> following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
+0 (non-binding)
I would likely have voted +1 if there were no existing Open Source
community behind LibreOffice.
The alleged(!) necessity to remove/replace LGPL libraries not covered by
the Oracle grant will not result in an improved free office suite but
only in delays and further incompatibilities with LibreOffice.
Cheers,
Andreas
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> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@gmail.com>.
I vote -1 for the reasons I said here:
http://markmail.org/message/w5vtsa5nbarmnqxo
Niall
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Jomar Silva <ho...@gmail.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
Best,
Jomar Silva
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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+1 (non-binding) Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Best regards,
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding)
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
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> On 6/10/2011 11:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
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On 6/10/2011 11:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
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+1 binding, of course...
On Jun 10, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> [+1] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
[+1] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Jun 10, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code, create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated, following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL Connector module]]
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents. The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email''' ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]] || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]] || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Sam,
On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
(binding). Good luck!
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hi,
[ +1 ] (non binding) Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Thanks !
Eric Bachard
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Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com>.
Sorry, should have said +1 [binding]
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ +1 ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> Danese
>
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com>.
Please cast your votes:
[ +1 ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Danese
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding)
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Karl Pauls <ka...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
regards,
Karl
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Richard S. Hall <he...@ungoverned.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> -> richard
>
> On 6/10/11 12:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>
>> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>>
>> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
>> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
>> Apache Incubator project.
>>
>> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is
>> a link to the document in the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>>
>> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
>> scan and review the archives for this month:
>>
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
>> == Abstract ==
>> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
>> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
>> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
>> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
>> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
>> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
>> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>>
>> == Proposal ==
>> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
>> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
>> namely:
>>
>> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
>> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
>> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>>
>> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
>> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
>> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
>> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
>> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
>> document automation scenarios.
>>
>> == Background ==
>> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
>> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
>> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
>> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
>> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
>> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
>> million downloads]] in its first year. The
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
>> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
>> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
>> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
>> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
>> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
>> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>>
>> == Rationale ==
>> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
>> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
>> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
>> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
>> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
>> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
>> collaborative fashion.
>>
>> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
>> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>>
>> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
>> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
>> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
>> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
>> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
>> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>>
>> = Current Status =
>> == Meritocracy ==
>> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
>> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
>> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
>> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
>> take on additional community responsibilities.
>>
>> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
>> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle
>> as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want
>> to encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
>> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
>> !OpenOffice.org project.
>>
>> == Community ==
>> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
>> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
>> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
>> !OpenOffice.org include:
>>
>> * !LibreOffice
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>>
>> * IBM Lotus Symphony
>> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>>
>> * !NeoOffice
>>
>> * !EurOffice
>>
>> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
>> illustrated in this time line:
>>
>> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>>
>> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
>> might include:
>>
>> 1. a user community
>> 1. a developer community
>> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
>> extended ecosystem
>>
>> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
>> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
>> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
>> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
>> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
>> core components.
>>
>> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
>> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
>> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
>> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
>> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
>> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>>
>> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
>> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
>> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
>> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
>> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
>> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
>> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
>> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
>> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>>
>> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
>> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
>> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
>> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
>> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
>> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
>> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
>> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
>> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
>> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
>> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
>> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
>> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>>
>> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
>> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
>> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
>> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>>
>> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
>> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
>> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
>> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
>> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
>> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
>> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
>> be integrated.
>>
>> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
>> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
>> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
>> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
>> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
>> the podlet.
>>
>> == Core Developers ==
>> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
>> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
>> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
>> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
>> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>>
>> == Marketing ==
>> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
>> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
>> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
>> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
>> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
>> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
>> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
>> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>>
>> == Education ==
>> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
>> World''' :
>>
>> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
>> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all
>> levels of Education are concerned )
>>
>> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
>> !OpenOffice.org
>>
>> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
>> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
>> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
>> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>>
>> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
>> efforts and are in demand
>>
>> == Alignment ==
>> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
>> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
>> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
>> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
>> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
>> operating systems.
>>
>> = Known Risks =
>> == Orphaned products ==
>> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
>> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
>> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved with
>> this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
>> volunteers, there is a
>> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
>> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
>> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
>> community.
>>
>> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
>> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
>> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
>> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
>> previously.
>>
>> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
>> have signed up to support this project.
>>
>> == Homogeneous Developers ==
>> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
>> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this
>> project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We
>> intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further
>> strengthen and diversify this project.
>>
>> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
>> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
>> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
>> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>>
>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
>> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with
>> the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
>> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
>> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
>> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
>> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not
>> previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous license.
>> This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project
>> reliance on developers from any single company.
>>
>> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
>> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
>> been suggested, including:
>>
>> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
>> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
>> discussions on this have been promising)
>>
>> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
>> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
>> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>>
>> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
>> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
>> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
>> between these projects would be great.
>>
>> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
>> libraries
>>
>> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>>
>> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>>
>> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
>> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
>> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>>
>> == Documentation ==
>> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
>> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>>
>> == Localization ==
>> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>>
>> == Initial Source ==
>> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
>> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>>
>> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
>> Connector module]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
>> images]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
>> (CWS)]]
>>
>> == External Dependencies ==
>> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
>> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
>> dependencies can be found
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>>
>> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
>> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
>> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
>> available to us include:
>>
>> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
>> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
>> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
>> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
>> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
>> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>>
>> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
>> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
>> similar effort done on that product.
>>
>> == Cryptography ==
>> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
>> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
>> these features.
>>
>> == Required Resources ==
>> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
>> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
>> project infrastructure is created.
>>
>> === Mailing Lists ===
>> The following mailing lists:
>>
>> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>>
>> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>>
>> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>>
>> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
>> notifications
>>
>> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
>> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
>> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>>
>> === Other resources ===
>> A subversion repository
>>
>> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>>
>> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>>
>> phpBB end-user forums
>>
>> Download site
>>
>> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>>
>> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
>> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
>> infrastructure group to act on.
>>
>> == Initial Committers ==
>> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
>> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the
>> initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
>> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
>> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on
>> this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code
>> (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
>> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
>> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
>> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
>> Project]] || ||
>> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
>> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
>> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
>> Infrastructure || ||
>> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]]
>> / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
>> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
>> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
>> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
>> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
>> || ||
>> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
>> ||Individual || ||
>> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
>> project]] || ||
>> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
>> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]])
>> || ||
>> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
>> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
>> Project || ||
>> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
>> project lead || ||
>> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
>> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
>> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
>> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
>> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
>> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
>> Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
>> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
>> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
>> || ||
>> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
>> ||
>> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
>> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum ||
>> ||
>> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
>> Labs]] ||yes ||
>> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
>> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
>> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
>> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
>> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
>> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> || ||
>> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
>> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> || ||
>> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
>> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
>> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
>> Accessibility || ||
>> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
>> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
>> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Spreadsheet]] || ||
>> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
>> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
>> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
>> Zealand]] || ||
>> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
>> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
>> || ||
>> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
>> ||
>> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
>> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
>> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
>> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
>> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Impress]] || ||
>> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
>> ||Yes ||
>> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Writer, Impress]] || ||
>> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] ||
>> ||
>> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
>> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
>> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
>> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
>> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
>> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
>> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> = Sponsors =
>> == Champion ==
>> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>>
>> == Nominated Mentors ==
>> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
>> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
>> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>>
>> a. IP review
>> a. infrastructure
>> a. release management
>> a. community development
>>
>> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>>
>> * Jim Jagielski
>> * Sam Ruby
>> * Danese Cooper
>> * Shane Curcuru
>> * Nóirín Plunkett
>> * Joe Schaefer
>> * Christian Grobmeier
>> * Ross Gardler
>>
>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>> The Apache Incubator
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>.
+1
-> richard
On 6/10/11 12:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be
> winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept
> OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal.
> Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity
> applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component),
> spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and
> database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and
> Macintosh operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite
> that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all
> functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an
> XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials,
> user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will
> also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a
> programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to
> MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series
> saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as
> separate applications or as embedded components in other applications.
> Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file
> formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF)
> standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following
> the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its
> usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
> !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the
> OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of
> developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of
> !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data,
> and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets
> their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We
> are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this
> proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in
> this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment
> and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the
> project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a
> healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has
> spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with
> its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications
> built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g.,
> an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists
> of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development
> work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively
> "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have
> no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots
> of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that
> it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The
> annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an
> important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of
> the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects,
> often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate
> with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document
> format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra
> Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any
> eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended
> community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize
> and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help
> us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this
> license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with
> copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by
> the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual
> Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need
> to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value
> their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to
> expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache
> !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and
> further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize
> and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the
> !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux
> community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache
> !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and
> technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can
> be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways
> for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this
> relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other
> contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived
> products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice,
> LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of
> experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from
> none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of
> volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries.
> There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the
> possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant
> applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the
> certification project and developing the selling of marketing
> collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to
> independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and
> take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide
> a strong foundation and set of practices for developing
> standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally,
> the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its
> starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project
> and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by
> the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses
> were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order
> to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be
> dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored
> developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM
> clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will
> change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the
> permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage
> opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for
> new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to
> the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with
> a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary
> interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in
> place around open source software development more than any
> fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org
> files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
> items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but
> options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work
> on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from
> a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of
> documents. The project will complete any needed export control
> paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that
> there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark
> *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous
> build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through
> existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from
> !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is
> ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company.
> Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative
> of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have
> your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit
> program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com
> || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]],
> MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo
> external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
> || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com
> ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes
> ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact)
> New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD
> porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we
> believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple
> mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of
> the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andrew Rist <an...@oracle.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
+1
Ralph
On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code, create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated, following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL Connector module]]
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents. The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email''' ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]] || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]] || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
This is such a difficult call. Will OOo at Apache take off sufficiently
to contribute something of value to the ecosystem, or will it fail,
taking goodwill with it? Will it create division in the community, or
does that division already exist, and creating the podling will simply
make the fact of a division clearer, and therefore easier to work with?
Without the ability to see the future, I cannot fully answer these
questions. However, reading all of the threads on the topic, I come to
the conclusion that it is worth a try.
Therefore, I vote +1, and wish all participants well and hope we can
make something excellent from this opportunity, something that benefits
all within the wider OOo community.
So +1 to this proposal.
Upayavira
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:02 -0400, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
> a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
> presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
> !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
> operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all
> functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an
> XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
> to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
> available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
> applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
> other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
> on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
> other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
> open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
> !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
> and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
> related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
> the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
> merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
> A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
> stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
> a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
> of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g.,
> an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
> involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
> into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
> they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
> secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
> likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
> on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
> generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
> !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
> e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
> We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
> !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
> projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
> disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
> easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
> We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
> communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
> fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
> maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
> in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
> So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
> a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
> possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
> this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
> redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
> as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
> will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
> that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
> by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
> contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
> a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
> to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
> source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
> EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
> existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
> raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
> related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
> and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
> OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
> substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
> realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
> evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
> desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project
> and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by
> the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
> involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order
> to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers,
> with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
> not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
> license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help
> remove the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
> is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
> around open source software development more than any fascination with
> the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
> items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but
> options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible
> license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
> similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related
> to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
> project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
> on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
> code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com ||
> ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum ||
> ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
> || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] ||
> ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] ||
> ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] ||
> ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
> especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
> following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Volker Merschmann <me...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote:
[ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
[X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt
that the project will find the needed resources at Apache.
Bye
Volker
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com>.
On Jun 10, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (binding)
--kevan
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
Btw, your mails appear to be sent twice to the ML. I recognized that
before already...
Cheers
Daniel
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Mathias Bauer <no...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Sorry,
>
> this was a mistake, I used a wrong mail address; ignore this posting,
> please.
>
> regards,
> Mathias
>
> On 12.06.2011 15:51, Mathias Bauer wrote:
>>
>> +1 (non-binding)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mathias
>>
>> On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>>
>>> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>>>
>>> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
>>> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
>>> Apache Incubator project.
>>>
>>> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
>>> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>>>
>>> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
>>> scan and review the archives for this month:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please cast your votes:
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>>
>>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>>
>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>
>>> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
>>> == Abstract ==
>>> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
>>> a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
>>> presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
>>> !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
>>> operation systems, with more
>>> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
>>> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
>>> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>>>
>>> == Proposal ==
>>> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
>>> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
>>> namely:
>>>
>>> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
>>> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
>>> and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>>>
>>> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
>>> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
>>> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
>>> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
>>> to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
>>> document automation scenarios.
>>>
>>> == Background ==
>>> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
>>> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
>>> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
>>> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
>>> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
>>> available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
>>>
>>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
>>>
>>> million downloads]] in its first year. The
>>>
>>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
>>>
>>> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>>>
>>> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
>>> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
>>> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
>>> applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
>>> other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
>>> on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
>>> other resources.
>>>
>>> == Rationale ==
>>> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
>>> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
>>> open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
>>> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
>>> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
>>> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
>>> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>>>
>>> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
>>> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
>>> !OpenOffice.org.
>>>
>>> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
>>> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
>>> and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
>>> related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
>>> the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>>>
>>> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
>>> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>>>
>>> = Current Status =
>>> == Meritocracy ==
>>> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
>>> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
>>> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
>>> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
>>> merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>>>
>>> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
>>> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
>>> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
>>> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
>>> A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
>>> stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>>>
>>> == Community ==
>>> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
>>> a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
>>> of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
>>> !OpenOffice.org include:
>>>
>>> * !LibreOffice
>>>
>>> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>>>
>>> * IBM Lotus Symphony
>>> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>>>
>>> * !NeoOffice
>>>
>>> * !EurOffice
>>>
>>> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
>>> illustrated in this time line:
>>>
>>> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>>>
>>> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
>>> might include:
>>>
>>> 1. a user community
>>> 1. a developer community
>>> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
>>> extended ecosystem
>>>
>>> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
>>> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
>>> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
>>> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
>>> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
>>> involves changes of the core components.
>>>
>>> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
>>> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
>>> into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
>>> they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
>>> secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
>>> likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>>>
>>> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
>>> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
>>> on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
>>> generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
>>> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
>>> !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
>>> e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
>>> We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
>>> !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
>>> projects.
>>>
>>> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
>>> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
>>> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
>>> disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
>>> easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
>>> We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
>>> communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
>>> fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
>>> maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
>>> in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
>>> So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
>>> a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
>>> possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
>>> this project.
>>>
>>> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
>>> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
>>> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
>>> redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>>>
>>> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
>>> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
>>> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
>>> as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
>>> will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
>>> that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
>>> by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
>>> contributions to be integrated.
>>>
>>> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
>>> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
>>> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
>>> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
>>> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
>>> a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>>>
>>> == Core Developers ==
>>> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
>>> to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
>>> source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
>>> EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
>>> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>>>
>>> == Marketing ==
>>> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
>>> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
>>> existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
>>> raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
>>> related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
>>> and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
>>> OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
>>> substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
>>> realised previously.
>>>
>>> == Education ==
>>> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
>>> World''' :
>>>
>>> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
>>> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
>>> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>>>
>>> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
>>> !OpenOffice.org
>>>
>>> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
>>> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
>>> integrated, following the
>>> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
>>> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>>>
>>> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
>>> efforts and are in demand
>>>
>>> == Alignment ==
>>> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
>>> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
>>> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
>>> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
>>> evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
>>> desktop operating systems.
>>>
>>> = Known Risks =
>>> == Orphaned products ==
>>> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
>>> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
>>> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
>>> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
>>> volunteers, there is a
>>>
>>> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
>>>
>>> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
>>> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
>>> community.
>>>
>>> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
>>> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
>>> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
>>> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
>>> involved with the project previously.
>>>
>>> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
>>> who have signed up to support this project.
>>>
>>> == Homogeneous Developers ==
>>> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
>>> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
>>> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
>>> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to
>>> further strengthen and diversify this project.
>>>
>>> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
>>> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
>>> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
>>> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>>>
>>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>>> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
>>> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with
>>> the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
>>> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
>>> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
>>> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
>>> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
>>> not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
>>> license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove
>>> the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>>>
>>> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
>>> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
>>> have been suggested, including:
>>>
>>> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
>>> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
>>> discussions on this have been promising)
>>>
>>> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
>>> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
>>> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>>>
>>> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
>>> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
>>> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
>>> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>>>
>>> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
>>> libraries
>>>
>>> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>>>
>>> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>>>
>>> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>>> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
>>> is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
>>> around open source software development more than any fascination with
>>> the brand.
>>>
>>> == Documentation ==
>>> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
>>> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>>>
>>> == Localization ==
>>> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>>>
>>> == Initial Source ==
>>> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
>>> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>>>
>>> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
>>> items:
>>>
>>> *
>>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
>>> Connector module]]
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
>>>
>>> images]]
>>>
>>> *
>>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
>>> (CWS)]]
>>>
>>>
>>> == External Dependencies ==
>>> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
>>> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
>>> dependencies can be found
>>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>>>
>>> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
>>> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
>>> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
>>> available to us include:
>>>
>>> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
>>> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
>>> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
>>> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
>>> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
>>> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>>>
>>> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
>>> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
>>> similar effort done on that product.
>>>
>>> == Cryptography ==
>>> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
>>> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
>>> these features.
>>>
>>> == Required Resources ==
>>> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
>>> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
>>> project infrastructure is created.
>>>
>>> === Mailing Lists ===
>>> The following mailing lists:
>>>
>>> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>>>
>>> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>>>
>>> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>>>
>>> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
>>> notifications
>>>
>>> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
>>> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
>>> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>>>
>>> === Other resources ===
>>> A subversion repository
>>>
>>> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>>>
>>> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>>>
>>> phpBB end-user forums
>>>
>>> Download site
>>>
>>> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>>>
>>> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
>>> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
>>> infrastructure group to act on.
>>>
>>> == Initial Committers ==
>>> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
>>> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
>>> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
>>> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
>>> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
>>> on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
>>> code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
>>> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
>>> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
>>> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
>>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>>> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
>>>
>>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
>>>
>>> Project]] || ||
>>> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>>> ||yes ||
>>> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>>> || ||
>>> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
>>> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
>>> Infrastructure || ||
>>> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
>>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
>>> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
>>> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
>>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
>>> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
>>> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>>> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
>>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
>>> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
>>>
>>> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
>>>
>>> || ||
>>> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
>>> ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
>>> ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
>>> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
>>> Marketing project]] || ||
>>> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com
>>> || ||
>>> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
>>> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
>>> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
>>> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
>>> Project || ||
>>> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
>>> project lead || ||
>>> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
>>> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
>>> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
>>> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
>>> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
>>> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
>>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>>> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
>>> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
>>> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
>>> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
>>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>>> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
>>> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
>>> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
>>> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
>>> development]] || ||
>>> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
>>> || ||
>>> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
>>> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
>>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>>> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
>>> || ||
>>> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
>>> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
>>> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
>>> ||yes ||
>>> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>>> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
>>> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>>> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
>>> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
>>> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
>>> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
>>> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>>> !OpenOffice.org || ||
>>> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
>>> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>>> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>>> || ||
>>> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
>>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
>>> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
>>> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
>>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
>>> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
>>> Accessibility || ||
>>> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
>>> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>>> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
>>> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>>> Spreadsheet]] || ||
>>> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
>>> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
>>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
>>> ||yes ||
>>> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
>>> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
>>> Zealand]] || ||
>>> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>>> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>>> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>>> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
>>>
>>> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
>>>
>>> || ||
>>> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
>>> || ||
>>> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>>> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
>>> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
>>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
>>> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
>>> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]]
>>> || ||
>>> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
>>> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
>>> Security]] ||Yes ||
>>> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>>> Impress]] || ||
>>> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
>>> ||Yes ||
>>> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
>>> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
>>> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>>> || ||
>>> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>>> || ||
>>> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
>>> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>>> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
>>> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>>> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
>>> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
>>> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>>> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
>>> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
>>> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
>>> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>>> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> = Sponsors =
>>> == Champion ==
>>> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>>>
>>> == Nominated Mentors ==
>>> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
>>> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
>>> especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
>>> following disciplines:
>>>
>>> a. IP review
>>> a. infrastructure
>>> a. release management
>>> a. community development
>>>
>>> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>>>
>>> * Jim Jagielski
>>> * Sam Ruby
>>> * Danese Cooper
>>> * Shane Curcuru
>>> * Nóirín Plunkett
>>> * Joe Schaefer
>>> * Christian Grobmeier
>>> * Ross Gardler
>>>
>>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>>> The Apache Incubator
>>>
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>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mathias Bauer <no...@gmx.de>.
Sorry,
this was a mistake, I used a wrong mail address; ignore this posting,
please.
regards,
Mathias
On 12.06.2011 15:51, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Regards,
> Mathias
>
> On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>>
>> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
>> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
>> Apache Incubator project.
>>
>> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
>> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>>
>> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
>> scan and review the archives for this month:
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>>
>>
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
>> == Abstract ==
>> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
>> a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
>> presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
>> !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
>> operation systems, with more
>> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
>> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
>> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>>
>> == Proposal ==
>> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
>> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
>> namely:
>>
>> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
>> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
>> and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>>
>> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
>> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
>> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
>> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
>> to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
>> document automation scenarios.
>>
>> == Background ==
>> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
>> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
>> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
>> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
>> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
>> available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
>>
>> million downloads]] in its first year. The
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
>>
>> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
>> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
>> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
>> applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
>> other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
>> on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
>> other resources.
>>
>> == Rationale ==
>> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
>> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
>> open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
>> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
>> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
>> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
>> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>>
>> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
>> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
>> !OpenOffice.org.
>>
>> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
>> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
>> and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
>> related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
>> the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
>> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>>
>> = Current Status =
>> == Meritocracy ==
>> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
>> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
>> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
>> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
>> merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>>
>> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
>> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
>> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
>> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
>> A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
>> stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>>
>> == Community ==
>> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
>> a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
>> of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
>> !OpenOffice.org include:
>>
>> * !LibreOffice
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>>
>> * IBM Lotus Symphony
>> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>>
>> * !NeoOffice
>>
>> * !EurOffice
>>
>> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
>> illustrated in this time line:
>>
>> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>>
>> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
>> might include:
>>
>> 1. a user community
>> 1. a developer community
>> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
>> extended ecosystem
>>
>> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
>> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
>> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
>> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
>> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
>> involves changes of the core components.
>>
>> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
>> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
>> into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
>> they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
>> secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
>> likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>>
>> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
>> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
>> on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
>> generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
>> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
>> !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
>> e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
>> We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
>> !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
>> projects.
>>
>> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
>> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
>> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
>> disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
>> easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
>> We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
>> communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
>> fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
>> maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
>> in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
>> So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
>> a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
>> possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
>> this project.
>>
>> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
>> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
>> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
>> redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>>
>> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
>> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
>> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
>> as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
>> will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
>> that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
>> by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
>> contributions to be integrated.
>>
>> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
>> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
>> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
>> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
>> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
>> a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>>
>> == Core Developers ==
>> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
>> to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
>> source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
>> EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
>> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>>
>> == Marketing ==
>> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
>> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
>> existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
>> raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
>> related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
>> and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
>> OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
>> substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
>> realised previously.
>>
>> == Education ==
>> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
>> World''' :
>>
>> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
>> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
>> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>>
>> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
>> !OpenOffice.org
>>
>> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
>> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
>> integrated, following the
>> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
>> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>>
>> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
>> efforts and are in demand
>>
>> == Alignment ==
>> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
>> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
>> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
>> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
>> evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
>> desktop operating systems.
>>
>> = Known Risks =
>> == Orphaned products ==
>> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
>> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
>> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
>> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
>> volunteers, there is a
>> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
>>
>> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
>> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
>> community.
>>
>> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
>> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
>> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
>> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
>> involved with the project previously.
>>
>> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
>> who have signed up to support this project.
>>
>> == Homogeneous Developers ==
>> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
>> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
>> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
>> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to
>> further strengthen and diversify this project.
>>
>> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
>> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
>> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
>> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>>
>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
>> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with
>> the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
>> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
>> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
>> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
>> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
>> not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
>> license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove
>> the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>>
>> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
>> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
>> have been suggested, including:
>>
>> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
>> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
>> discussions on this have been promising)
>>
>> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
>> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
>> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>>
>> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
>> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
>> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
>> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>>
>> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
>> libraries
>>
>> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>>
>> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>>
>> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
>> is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
>> around open source software development more than any fascination with
>> the brand.
>>
>> == Documentation ==
>> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
>> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>>
>> == Localization ==
>> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>>
>> == Initial Source ==
>> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
>> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>>
>> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
>> items:
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
>> Connector module]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
>>
>> images]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
>> (CWS)]]
>>
>>
>> == External Dependencies ==
>> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
>> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
>> dependencies can be found
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>>
>> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
>> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
>> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
>> available to us include:
>>
>> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
>> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
>> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
>> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
>> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
>> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>>
>> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
>> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
>> similar effort done on that product.
>>
>> == Cryptography ==
>> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
>> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
>> these features.
>>
>> == Required Resources ==
>> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
>> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
>> project infrastructure is created.
>>
>> === Mailing Lists ===
>> The following mailing lists:
>>
>> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>>
>> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>>
>> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>>
>> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
>> notifications
>>
>> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
>> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
>> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>>
>> === Other resources ===
>> A subversion repository
>>
>> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>>
>> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>>
>> phpBB end-user forums
>>
>> Download site
>>
>> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>>
>> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
>> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
>> infrastructure group to act on.
>>
>> == Initial Committers ==
>> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
>> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
>> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
>> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
>> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
>> on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
>> code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
>> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
>> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
>> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
>>
>> Project]] || ||
>> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> || ||
>> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
>> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
>> Infrastructure || ||
>> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
>> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
>> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
>> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
>> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
>>
>> || ||
>> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
>> ||Individual || ||
>> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
>> ||Individual || ||
>> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
>> Marketing project]] || ||
>> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com
>> || ||
>> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
>> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
>> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
>> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
>> Project || ||
>> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
>> project lead || ||
>> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
>> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
>> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
>> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
>> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
>> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
>> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
>> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
>> development]] || ||
>> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
>> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
>> || ||
>> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
>> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
>> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
>> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
>> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
>> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
>> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
>> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>> !OpenOffice.org || ||
>> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
>> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> || ||
>> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
>> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
>> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
>> Accessibility || ||
>> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
>> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
>> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Spreadsheet]] || ||
>> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
>> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
>> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
>> Zealand]] || ||
>> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
>> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
>>
>> || ||
>> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
>> || ||
>> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
>> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
>> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
>> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
>> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
>> Security]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Impress]] || ||
>> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
>> ||Yes ||
>> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
>> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
>> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
>> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
>> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
>> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
>> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
>> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
>> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
>> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> = Sponsors =
>> == Champion ==
>> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>>
>> == Nominated Mentors ==
>> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
>> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
>> especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
>> following disciplines:
>>
>> a. IP review
>> a. infrastructure
>> a. release management
>> a. community development
>>
>> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>>
>> * Jim Jagielski
>> * Sam Ruby
>> * Danese Cooper
>> * Shane Curcuru
>> * Nóirín Plunkett
>> * Joe Schaefer
>> * Christian Grobmeier
>> * Ross Gardler
>>
>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>> The Apache Incubator
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mathias Bauer <Ma...@gmx.net>.
Sorry, I used a wrong mail address and then resent my vote with the
correct one; please ignore this mail.
Regards,
Mathias
On 12.06.2011 15:51, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Regards,
> Mathias
>
> On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>>
>> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
>> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
>> Apache Incubator project.
>>
>> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
>> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>>
>> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
>> scan and review the archives for this month:
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>>
>>
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
>> == Abstract ==
>> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
>> a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
>> presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
>> !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
>> operation systems, with more
>> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
>> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
>> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>>
>> == Proposal ==
>> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
>> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
>> namely:
>>
>> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
>> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
>> and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>>
>> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
>> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
>> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
>> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
>> to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
>> document automation scenarios.
>>
>> == Background ==
>> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
>> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
>> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
>> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
>> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
>> available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
>>
>> million downloads]] in its first year. The
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
>>
>> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
>> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
>> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
>> applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
>> other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
>> on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
>> other resources.
>>
>> == Rationale ==
>> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
>> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
>> open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
>> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
>> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
>> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
>> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>>
>> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
>> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
>> !OpenOffice.org.
>>
>> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
>> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
>> and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
>> related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
>> the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
>> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>>
>> = Current Status =
>> == Meritocracy ==
>> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
>> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
>> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
>> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
>> merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>>
>> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
>> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
>> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
>> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
>> A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
>> stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>>
>> == Community ==
>> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
>> a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
>> of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
>> !OpenOffice.org include:
>>
>> * !LibreOffice
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>>
>> * IBM Lotus Symphony
>> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>>
>> * !NeoOffice
>>
>> * !EurOffice
>>
>> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
>> illustrated in this time line:
>>
>> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>>
>> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
>> might include:
>>
>> 1. a user community
>> 1. a developer community
>> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
>> extended ecosystem
>>
>> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
>> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
>> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
>> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
>> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
>> involves changes of the core components.
>>
>> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
>> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
>> into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
>> they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
>> secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
>> likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>>
>> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
>> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
>> on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
>> generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
>> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
>> !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
>> e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
>> We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
>> !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
>> projects.
>>
>> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
>> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
>> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
>> disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
>> easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
>> We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
>> communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
>> fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
>> maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
>> in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
>> So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
>> a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
>> possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
>> this project.
>>
>> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
>> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
>> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
>> redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>>
>> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
>> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
>> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
>> as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
>> will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
>> that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
>> by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
>> contributions to be integrated.
>>
>> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
>> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
>> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
>> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
>> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
>> a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>>
>> == Core Developers ==
>> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
>> to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
>> source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
>> EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
>> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>>
>> == Marketing ==
>> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
>> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
>> existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
>> raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
>> related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
>> and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
>> OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
>> substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
>> realised previously.
>>
>> == Education ==
>> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
>> World''' :
>>
>> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
>> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
>> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>>
>> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
>> !OpenOffice.org
>>
>> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
>> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
>> integrated, following the
>> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
>> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>>
>> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
>> efforts and are in demand
>>
>> == Alignment ==
>> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
>> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
>> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
>> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
>> evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
>> desktop operating systems.
>>
>> = Known Risks =
>> == Orphaned products ==
>> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
>> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
>> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
>> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
>> volunteers, there is a
>> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
>>
>> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
>> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
>> community.
>>
>> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
>> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
>> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
>> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
>> involved with the project previously.
>>
>> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
>> who have signed up to support this project.
>>
>> == Homogeneous Developers ==
>> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
>> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
>> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
>> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to
>> further strengthen and diversify this project.
>>
>> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
>> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
>> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
>> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>>
>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
>> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with
>> the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
>> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
>> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
>> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
>> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
>> not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
>> license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove
>> the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>>
>> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
>> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
>> have been suggested, including:
>>
>> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
>> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
>> discussions on this have been promising)
>>
>> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
>> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
>> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>>
>> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
>> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
>> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
>> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>>
>> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
>> libraries
>>
>> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>>
>> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>>
>> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
>> is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
>> around open source software development more than any fascination with
>> the brand.
>>
>> == Documentation ==
>> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
>> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>>
>> == Localization ==
>> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>>
>> == Initial Source ==
>> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
>> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>>
>> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
>> items:
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
>> Connector module]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
>>
>> images]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
>> (CWS)]]
>>
>>
>> == External Dependencies ==
>> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
>> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
>> dependencies can be found
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>>
>> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
>> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
>> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
>> available to us include:
>>
>> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
>> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
>> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
>> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
>> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
>> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>>
>> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
>> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
>> similar effort done on that product.
>>
>> == Cryptography ==
>> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
>> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
>> these features.
>>
>> == Required Resources ==
>> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
>> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
>> project infrastructure is created.
>>
>> === Mailing Lists ===
>> The following mailing lists:
>>
>> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>>
>> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>>
>> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>>
>> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
>> notifications
>>
>> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
>> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
>> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>>
>> === Other resources ===
>> A subversion repository
>>
>> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>>
>> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>>
>> phpBB end-user forums
>>
>> Download site
>>
>> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>>
>> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
>> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
>> infrastructure group to act on.
>>
>> == Initial Committers ==
>> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
>> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
>> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
>> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
>> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
>> on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
>> code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
>> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
>> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
>> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
>>
>> Project]] || ||
>> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> || ||
>> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
>> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
>> Infrastructure || ||
>> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
>> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
>> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
>> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
>> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
>>
>> || ||
>> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
>> ||Individual || ||
>> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
>> ||Individual || ||
>> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
>> Marketing project]] || ||
>> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com
>> || ||
>> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
>> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
>> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
>> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
>> Project || ||
>> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
>> project lead || ||
>> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
>> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
>> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
>> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
>> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
>> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
>> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
>> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
>> development]] || ||
>> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
>> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
>> || ||
>> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
>> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
>> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
>> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
>> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
>> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
>> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
>> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>> !OpenOffice.org || ||
>> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
>> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> || ||
>> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
>> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
>> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
>> Accessibility || ||
>> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
>> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
>> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Spreadsheet]] || ||
>> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
>> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
>> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
>> Zealand]] || ||
>> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
>> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
>>
>> || ||
>> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
>> || ||
>> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
>> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
>> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
>> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
>> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
>> Security]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Impress]] || ||
>> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
>> ||Yes ||
>> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
>> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
>> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
>> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
>> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
>> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
>> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
>> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
>> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
>> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> = Sponsors =
>> == Champion ==
>> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>>
>> == Nominated Mentors ==
>> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
>> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
>> especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
>> following disciplines:
>>
>> a. IP review
>> a. infrastructure
>> a. release management
>> a. community development
>>
>> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>>
>> * Jim Jagielski
>> * Sam Ruby
>> * Danese Cooper
>> * Shane Curcuru
>> * Nóirín Plunkett
>> * Joe Schaefer
>> * Christian Grobmeier
>> * Ross Gardler
>>
>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>> The Apache Incubator
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mathias Bauer <no...@gmx.de>.
+1 (non-binding)
Regards,
Mathias
On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
> a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
> presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
> !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
> operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
> and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
> to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
> available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
> applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
> other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
> on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
> other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
> open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
> and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
> related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
> the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
> merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
> A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
> stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
> a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
> of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
> involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
> into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
> they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
> secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
> likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
> on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
> generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
> !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
> e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
> We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
> !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
> projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
> disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
> easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
> We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
> communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
> fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
> maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
> in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
> So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
> a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
> possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
> this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
> redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
> as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
> will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
> that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
> by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
> contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
> a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
> to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
> source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
> EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
> existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
> raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
> related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
> and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
> OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
> substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
> realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
> evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
> desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
> involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to
> further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with
> the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
> not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
> license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove
> the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
> is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
> around open source software development more than any fascination with
> the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
> similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
> project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
> on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
> code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
> || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
> || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
> especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
> following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
[ x ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
(binding)
Good luck! May the source be with you.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Jochen Wiedmann <jo...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (Non-binding)
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Cor Nouws <oo...@nouenoff.nl>.
Hi,
Sam Ruby wrote (10-06-11 18:02)
> Please cast your votes:
a. - : because of the difficulties ahead, as mentioned on this list, for
the OpenOffice.org product in the ASF (that may not be relevant for the
AFS, but IMO are for OpenOffice.org), and since TDF for me is a more
logical choice;
b. + : because the many people from the OpenOffice.org project that I
know and want to give the Apache OpenOffice.org a chance, which I think
is fair too.
Round (b-a) = +0 (non binding)
Kind regards,
Cor
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 10 June 2011 17:49, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Simon,
>
> Anyone interested can VOTE. If u see some of the votes they have
> "(binding)" in the text, those are from folks on the incubator pmc.
> Ultimately if we see a whole bunch of -1's then we check which way the
> pmc voted to decide if the proposal was accepted or not.
>
> So please go ahead and vote to register your view.
>
> -- dims
Ok, +1
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Simon,
Anyone interested can VOTE. If u see some of the votes they have
"(binding)" in the text, those are from folks on the incubator pmc.
Ultimately if we see a whole bunch of -1's then we check which way the
pmc voted to decide if the proposal was accepted or not.
So please go ahead and vote to register your view.
-- dims
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
> For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
> please?
>
> S.
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 6/10/2011 11:45 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
> please?
Everyone is welcome to vote.
Binding votes include all Incubator Project Management Committee members.
Non-binding votes can and do influence the opinions of committee members,
so anyone who participated in this discussion should feel free to add
the conclusion they drew from this proposal.
Props to you for your subject: line etiquette :)
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:45:03PM +0100, Simon Phipps wrote:
> For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
> please?
Official policy:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Entry+to+Incubation
Entry Into Incubation
...
In order to enter the Incubator, a Candidate MUST
* be nominated for incubation by a member of the Apache Software
Foundation ("The Champion"); and
* be approved by a Sponsor.
...
Approval of Proposal by Sponsor
The decision to approve the candidate proposal MUST be taken on a vote by
the Sponsor, in accordance with that Entity's charter.
In this case, the Sponsor is the Apache Incubator. The only binding votes are
those cast by members of the Incubator PMC. Others may cast advisory votes;
they are usually tallied by the person calling the vote, but not counted
towards the official result.
Sam Ruby, the project's Champion, described the criteria for passing the vote
in his "Vote plans for OOo proposal" mail:
http://s.apache.org/gB (link to mail-archives.apache.org)
Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum
is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are
received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails.
That's standard operating procedure for votes of the Incubator PMC and other
PMCs across Apache. The OOo podling, should it be approved, will likely take
similar votes on releases and such.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
I hope this makes things clear for the benefit of our many newcomers. Please
feel free to ask for clarification, as it smoothes the path of incubation when
community members have a thorough understanding of Apache governance rules and
traditions.
Cheers,
Marvin Humphrey
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
Awesome, thanks.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Anyone is allowed to vote. If you vote against, please, explain why.
> Most of votes do not count anyway, negative votes are usually
> addressed.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
> > For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
> > please?
> >
> > S.
> >
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
binding is used by members of the incubator pmc [1]
-- dims
[1] http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for ignorance but what does binding - non-binding mean?
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
Sorry for ignorance but what does binding - non-binding mean?
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Anyone is allowed to vote. If you vote against, please, explain why.
Most of votes do not count anyway, negative votes are usually
addressed.
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
> For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
> please?
>
> S.
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
For us outsiders, can you explain who is allowed to vote and in what way,
please?
S.
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
Malte.
On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote:
> [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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> - Sam Ruby
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Please ignore my vote below (duplicate).
I first used the wrong email address, which is not subscribed, then used
the correct one, and didn't expect that someone would moderate the list
and let the first one through...
Malte.
On 11.06.2011 17:59, Malte Timmermann wrote:
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Malte.
>
> On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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>> - Sam Ruby
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
Malte.
On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote:
> [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 6/15/2011 9:58 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> +1 (binding)
>
> Past the 72 hour notation below but I didn't see a final tally.
Then you missed the note.
[Hint: search for the subject RESULT]
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Matt Hogstrom <ma...@hogstrom.org>.
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+1 (binding)
Past the 72 hour notation below but I didn't see a final tally.
On Jun 10, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code, create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated, following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL Connector module]]
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents. The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email''' ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]] || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]] || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl>.
+1 (binding)
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@openoffice.org>.
On 10/06/2011 Keith Curtis wrote:
> P.S. I don't see many from LibreOffice voting against this proposal, so I
> joined again to vote on their behalf.
Maybe the "people from LibreOffice" are not voting against because, even
though they believe there could have been better solutions, given the
current situation they prefer that OOo is approved as a podling: see
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/5824 for
a more detailed (personal) opinion from a Steering Committee member.
(changed [VOTE] to [DISCUSSION] in the subject, I hope I got it right).
Regards,
Andrea.
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Comment: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Keith Curtis wrote:
> -1
>
> My list of 44 reasons is here:
> http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567
>
> To boil it down to one: this plan as announced had several big flaws, and
> they still exist.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> -Keith
>
> P.S. I don't see many from LibreOffice voting against this proposal, so I
> joined again to vote on their behalf.
>
> P.P.S. Hopefully more register their votes on this important matter like
> good netizens. The cheapest thing now is to vote "no" so we can make a
> better plan.
>
According to your blog, linked above, your quite willing for those that
may not support LibreOffice to just go home? And lose the talent to
that can help this grow even bigger.
Andy
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Keith Curtis <ke...@gmail.com>.
-1
My list of 44 reasons is here:
http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567
To boil it down to one: this plan as announced had several big flaws, and
they still exist.
Kind regards,
-Keith
P.S. I don't see many from LibreOffice voting against this proposal, so I
joined again to vote on their behalf.
P.P.S. Hopefully more register their votes on this important matter like
good netizens. The cheapest thing now is to vote "no" so we can make a
better plan.
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Larry Gusaas <la...@gmail.com>.
On 2011/06/10 10:02 AM Sam Ruby wrote:
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (Non-binding)
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Richard Hirsch <hi...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
Dick
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:06 PM, <do...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> - Don Harbison
>
> Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote on 06/10/2011 12:02:44 PM:
>
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by do...@us.ibm.com.
+1 (non-binding)
- Don Harbison
Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote on 06/10/2011 12:02:44 PM:
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Bill Stoddard <wg...@gmail.com>.
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 6/10/11 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be
> winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept
> OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal.
> Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity
> applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component),
> spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and
> database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and
> Macintosh operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite
> that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all
> functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an
> XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials,
> user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will
> also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a
> programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to
> MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series
> saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as
> separate applications or as embedded components in other applications.
> Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file
> formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF)
> standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following
> the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its
> usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
> !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the
> OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of
> developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of
> !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data,
> and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets
> their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We
> are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this
> proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in
> this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment
> and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the
> project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a
> healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has
> spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with
> its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications
> built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g.,
> an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists
> of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development
> work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively
> "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have
> no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots
> of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that
> it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The
> annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an
> important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of
> the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects,
> often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate
> with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document
> format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra
> Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any
> eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended
> community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize
> and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help
> us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this
> license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with
> copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by
> the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual
> Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need
> to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value
> their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to
> expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache
> !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and
> further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize
> and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the
> !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux
> community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache
> !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and
> technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can
> be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways
> for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this
> relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other
> contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived
> products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice,
> LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of
> experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from
> none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of
> volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries.
> There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the
> possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant
> applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the
> certification project and developing the selling of marketing
> collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to
> independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and
> take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide
> a strong foundation and set of practices for developing
> standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally,
> the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its
> starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project
> and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by
> the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses
> were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order
> to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be
> dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored
> developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM
> clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will
> change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the
> permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage
> opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for
> new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to
> the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with
> a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary
> interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in
> place around open source software development more than any
> fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org
> files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
> items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but
> options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work
> on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from
> a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of
> documents. The project will complete any needed export control
> paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that
> there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark
> *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous
> build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through
> existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from
> !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is
> ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company.
> Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative
> of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have
> your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit
> program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com
> || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]],
> MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo
> external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
> || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com
> ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes
> ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact)
> New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD
> porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we
> believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple
> mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of
> the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by André Schnabel <an...@gmx.net>.
-1 (non-binding)
Within the discussion several reasons that might support a -1 vote were
named, many have been addressed or may be addresed by the podling.
I still feel obligated to vote -1 because (even if the podling advances
to a Apache TLP) this will be the end of "OpenOffice.org as it is seen
within the market".
Actually OpenOffice.org is an application with a user base of 50Mio to
100Mio users. And these users have their "hands on the software" day by
day - so this is really different from zlib, which hardly any of it's
users would know by name. Many administrations and companies have
choosen OpenOffice.org as their office suite (we are speaking of
installation from 10 up to 50k and more seats). There is a market around
OpenOffice.org (books, support offerings, trainings, software
integrations with mid-range ERP systems, even SAP is aware of the fact
that OOo exists and had to deliver some ways of integration).
All this market is about *OpenOffice.org* it is *not* about derivates.
Although Rob tried to give the impression that there are "oh so many"
OOo derivates, the reality is, that the Office marked is ~89% MSO, 10%
OOo and 1% for all the others. Even the "better known" derivates of OOo
(StarOffice and Symphony) are far behind the visibility of the
OpenOffice.org brand.
Rob did also an interesting analysis, that there is no need to come up
quite fast with a new version of OOo, because there has been almost a
year between the previous versions. While the fact is true, my resumee
is different. During the last two years, we already saw the OOo marked
in an uncertain situation - planned versions had been delayed for
several reasons, nobody was able to answer, what the future would bring.
Users and adopters became anxious. OpenOffice.org 3.4 was scheduled for
May/June 2011 - yet another delay will not help the marked to prosper.
Instead the OOo marked will go from stagnation to shrink.
Even if the podling will be able to produce a new version quite soon, it
will be very different from the software we currently know as
"OpenOffice.org" (at least from what I understand to be Apache's
guidelines for software distribution). Integration to third party
components needs to be rewritten or dropped - even simple things like
preinstalled dictionaries (sounds really a no-brainer to a developer)
are crucial for the marked that the current OOo addresses.
So to me, there is an extremely high risk that the Apache project will
not fullfill the expectations of the current OOo user base. Although
fully in line with the Apache guidelines and philosophy, it might fail,
because 99.99% of the users are not interested in policy and guidelines
- they just are interested in "what they get" (and if it is not Coke it
is no Cola).
I hope, this will not reflect to Apache's reputation after all.
All that said, I perfectly know that the OOo project cannot continue
like it did the last ten years, so something needs to change.
And although I am opposed to the project here at Apache I owe respect to
anyone who is going to drive this and will be around to give input if
needed.
regards,
André
PS.: As I did not yet send an introduction to the list, some information
- Working with Office Suites since 1988
- Joined the OOo project in 2002, starting with user support and
documentations
- Co-Lead at the Germanophone project (having a great time with Manfred
and felt very sad when he left)
- later Project lead for Quality assurance (quite active in bug handling
and one of the first non-Sunnies to work on the scripts for test automation)
- elected Member of the OOo Community Council for several years (e.g.
reworking the CC's bylaws for it's current version)
- coordinating the German Localization efforts (and doing about 50% of
the UI translations since OOo 3.0)
- representing OOo and giving talks at at least 4 public events per year
(like CEBit, LinuxTag, LinuxDay, OOoCon)
- founding member, member of the initial board and now member of the
supervisory board of FrODev (former OOoDeV)
- founding member of The Document Foundation, member of the interim
Steering Committe, member of the Membership Committee
Although my premise when entering OOo was that I will do "anything but
coding" (as I do enough coding during my day job) there are ~20 Lines of
code in OOo written by me :)
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Yegor Kozlov <ye...@dinom.ru> wrote:
> +1
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>>
>> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
>> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
>> Apache Incubator project.
>>
>> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
>> link to the document in the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>>
>> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
>> and review the archives for this month:
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
>> == Abstract ==
>> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
>> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
>> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
>> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
>> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
>> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
>> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>>
>> == Proposal ==
>> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
>> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
>> namely:
>>
>> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
>> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
>> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>>
>> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
>> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
>> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
>> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
>> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
>> document automation scenarios.
>>
>> == Background ==
>> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
>> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
>> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
>> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
>> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
>> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
>> million downloads]] in its first year. The
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
>> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
>> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
>> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
>> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
>> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
>> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>>
>> == Rationale ==
>> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
>> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
>> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
>> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
>> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
>> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
>> collaborative fashion.
>>
>> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
>> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>>
>> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
>> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
>> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
>> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
>> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
>> of the Open Document Format standard.
>>
>> = Current Status =
>> == Meritocracy ==
>> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
>> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
>> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
>> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
>> take on additional community responsibilities.
>>
>> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
>> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
>> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
>> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
>> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
>> !OpenOffice.org project.
>>
>> == Community ==
>> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
>> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
>> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
>> !OpenOffice.org include:
>>
>> * !LibreOffice
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>>
>> * IBM Lotus Symphony
>> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>>
>> * !NeoOffice
>>
>> * !EurOffice
>>
>> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
>> illustrated in this time line:
>>
>> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>>
>> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
>> include:
>>
>> 1. a user community
>> 1. a developer community
>> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
>> extended ecosystem
>>
>> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
>> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
>> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
>> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
>> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
>> core components.
>>
>> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
>> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
>> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
>> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
>> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
>> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>>
>> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
>> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
>> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
>> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
>> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
>> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
>> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
>> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
>> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>>
>> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
>> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
>> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
>> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
>> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
>> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
>> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
>> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
>> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
>> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
>> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
>> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
>> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>>
>> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
>> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
>> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
>> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>>
>> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
>> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
>> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
>> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
>> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
>> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
>> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
>> be integrated.
>>
>> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
>> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
>> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
>> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
>> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
>> the podlet.
>>
>> == Core Developers ==
>> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
>> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
>> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
>> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
>> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>>
>> == Marketing ==
>> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
>> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
>> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
>> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
>> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
>> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
>> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
>> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>>
>> == Education ==
>> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
>> World''' :
>>
>> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
>> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
>> of Education are concerned )
>>
>> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
>> !OpenOffice.org
>>
>> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
>> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
>> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
>> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>>
>> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
>> efforts and are in demand
>>
>> == Alignment ==
>> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
>> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
>> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
>> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
>> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
>> operating systems.
>>
>> = Known Risks =
>> == Orphaned products ==
>> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
>> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
>> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
>> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
>> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
>> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
>> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
>> community.
>>
>> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
>> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
>> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
>> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
>> previously.
>>
>> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
>> have signed up to support this project.
>>
>> == Homogeneous Developers ==
>> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
>> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
>> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
>> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
>> diversify this project.
>>
>> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
>> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
>> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
>> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>>
>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
>> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
>> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
>> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
>> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
>> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
>> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
>> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
>> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
>> developers from any single company.
>>
>> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
>> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
>> been suggested, including:
>>
>> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
>> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
>> this have been promising)
>>
>> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
>> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
>> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>>
>> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
>> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
>> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
>> between these projects would be great.
>>
>> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
>> libraries
>>
>> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>>
>> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>>
>> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
>> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
>> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>>
>> == Documentation ==
>> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
>> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>>
>> == Localization ==
>> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>>
>> == Initial Source ==
>> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
>> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>>
>> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>>
>> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
>> Connector module]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
>> images]]
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
>> (CWS)]]
>>
>> == External Dependencies ==
>> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
>> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
>> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>>
>> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
>> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
>> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
>> available to us include:
>>
>> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
>> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
>> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
>> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
>> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
>> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>>
>> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
>> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
>> effort done on that product.
>>
>> == Cryptography ==
>> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
>> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
>> these features.
>>
>> == Required Resources ==
>> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
>> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
>> infrastructure is created.
>>
>> === Mailing Lists ===
>> The following mailing lists:
>>
>> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>>
>> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>>
>> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>>
>> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
>> notifications
>>
>> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
>> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
>> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>>
>> === Other resources ===
>> A subversion repository
>>
>> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>>
>> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>>
>> phpBB end-user forums
>>
>> Download site
>>
>> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>>
>> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
>> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
>> infrastructure group to act on.
>>
>> == Initial Committers ==
>> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
>> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
>> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
>> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
>> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
>> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
>> alphabetical ordering).
>> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
>> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
>> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
>> Project]] || ||
>> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
>> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
>> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
>> Infrastructure || ||
>> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
>> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
>> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
>> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
>> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
>> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
>> || ||
>> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
>> project]] || ||
>> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
>> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
>> ||
>> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
>> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
>> Project || ||
>> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
>> project lead || ||
>> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
>> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
>> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
>> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
>> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
>> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
>> Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
>> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
>> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
>> || ||
>> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
>> ||
>> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
>> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
>> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
>> Labs]] ||yes ||
>> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
>> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
>> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
>> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
>> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
>> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
>> ||
>> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
>> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
>> ||
>> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
>> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
>> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
>> Accessibility || ||
>> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
>> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
>> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Spreadsheet]] || ||
>> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
>> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
>> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
>> Zealand]] || ||
>> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
>> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
>> || ||
>> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
>> ||
>> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
>> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
>> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
>> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
>> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Impress]] || ||
>> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
>> ||
>> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Writer, Impress]] || ||
>> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
>> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
>> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
>> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
>> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
>> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> = Sponsors =
>> == Champion ==
>> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>>
>> == Nominated Mentors ==
>> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
>> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
>> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>>
>> a. IP review
>> a. infrastructure
>> a. release management
>> a. community development
>>
>> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>>
>> * Jim Jagielski
>> * Sam Ruby
>> * Danese Cooper
>> * Shane Curcuru
>> * Nóirín Plunkett
>> * Joe Schaefer
>> * Christian Grobmeier
>> * Ross Gardler
>>
>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>> The Apache Incubator
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Yegor Kozlov <ye...@dinom.ru>.
+1
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
+1 - binding
Regards,
Alan
On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code, create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated, following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL Connector module]]
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents. The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email''' ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]] || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]] || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
+1 (binding)
I have similar concerns as Niclas and a few other folks here, and estimate the risk of failure of this very visible podling as too high. I wasn't sure about my vote till the last moment. But in the current situation I don't see an alternative to ASF taking it and trying to do our best to make OOo a success against the odds by mending the ties with TDF and otherwise (re)building the community. Hence +1.
Andrus
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
-1.
I think by accepting this ASF is risking quite a lot of flak and
reputational damage. We have too much baggage from IBM/Oracle in
recent past, to be played like this. Not seeing the deal being struck
between this and Harmony, or ignoring it, is a great injustice to
those individuals that put in their sweat in Harmony.
I sincerely think that this incubation will fail. I think IBM will
spend most 'innovation' in their downstream project and quite quickly
we will have a disrupted OpenOffice.org landscape, without any
shippable binaries for many platforms.
FTR, I hope that TDF will reconsider the stance on the Apache License
and joins this effort as an equal partner, in which case I applaud
those who made this happen and I would stand corrected. Prove me
wrong!!
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mike Edwards <mi...@gmail.com>.
+1
On 10/06/2011 17:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to
> initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in
> the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives
> for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Florian Effenberger <fl...@documentfoundation.org>.
Hello,
I've been thinking for quite a while whether I should raise my voice and
vote or not. I've made my standpoint rather clear the last days, so I
wanted to abstain from voting, as I've shown all the facts already.
However, having been in involved with the OpenOffice.org project for
many years, in the end serving as distribution & marketing lead, and
with several people encouraging that the LibreOffice folks should also
speak out, I've decided to vote. This is solely my vote as individual,
not as TDF spokesperson:
-1 (non-binding)
My reasons:
(For more details on these, refer to my former postings)
* While it was said that the wider community would be involved, I could
not see any official contact of the proponents with the OpenOffice.org
project on their lists, before the step was announced.
* Therefore, I do not see this as an initiative of the OpenOffice.org
project, but rather of other stakeholders. The project has been decided
upon, it did not decide itself.
* While so far, we had one community with two projects, the step you are
about to take will now lead to two split communities. As much as
diversity can be helpful, actively helping to foster the split doesn't
sound senseful to me.
* The only real difference to TDF that matters to most voters, IMHO, is
the license. There would have been other options in place of dealing
with them, and not all of those would - as some presumed - involve
giving all assets to TDF. Various options have been pointed out already,
but to no avail.
* The product OpenOffice.org as we know it will not exist anymore.
Thorsten and André pointed out the licensing issues very well. By the
step you are about to take, you will simply contribute to market
irritation and help to make the OpenOffice.org brand vanish.
* All the infrastructure and processes would have to be re-defined,
while e.g. TDF has them already, exactly fitting to the community.
* The attitude towards TDF brought in place by several supporters of the
incubation speaks for itself, and by accepting the incubation, you
indirectly support these efforts, or at least give the sign that these
do not matter too much.
* "It is the way it is", an argument brought forward very often, does
just sound desperate, rather than creative and open-minded as I would
expect it from free software enthusiasts.
* The project proposal is wrong in some parts. Just as an example, for
over eleven years, one of the project's goals was to have its own
foundation, rather than joining an existing one. It also states that
things happen "as a community", while the step taking place now will
lead to split communities. The proposal also states that the previously
split community would be united under ASF, however, I cannot see
reaching this goal.
* Many OpenOffice.org project members who stayed with OpenOffice.org did
so because they explicitly favored democracy rather than meritocracy.
Moving to ASF, as far as I know, will not help for these terms, as you
share a similar governance model as TDF does.
* As far as I understood, the use of the trademark within Apache rules
might be different, which could heavily affect businesses and thus the
ecosystem.
* Some initial contributors have shown that the mentioned priority with
TDF relationship doesn't matter to them, despite its explicit mention in
the proposal.
* There still seem to be major issues with the exact code grant, plus,
as far as I know, about the trademark. I would have expected to clarify
these before acceptance.
That being said - and I explicitly want to underline that -, I am not
saying that ASF's intentions are bad, neither do I want to say it is a
bad place for an open source project. I just think there would have been
better options in place for this particular project, and I am sad they
have not been considered enough.
I also want to emphasize that I really enjoy the open dialogue with ASF
"officials", so to speak, and I hope that independent from the results
of the podling and incubation, this contact will stay and can even be grown.
Again, all of the points above are solely my personal thoughts, speaking
only for myself, not for TDF.
Florian
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Thorsten Behrens <th...@documentfoundation.org>.
-1 (non-binding)
As stated elsewhere [1], this incubator, combined with the
disruption and delay it's causing to the OOo ecosystem, does not add
enough unique value to what we already have a TDF to justify the
effort.
(I'm referring to the existing proposal's mission statement [2], not
to the (quite sensible) visions invididuals have presented here)
[1] http://blog.thebehrens.net/2011/06/11/licensing-questions-and-the-ecosystem/
[2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal#Proposal
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Stefan Seelmann <se...@apache.org>.
-0 (binding)
My concerns:
- It wasn't the community that wanted to join Apache but commercial
entities decided and now the community is forced to join or stay away
- The OOo code base, eco system, and user base is huge and should be
managed by its own foundation
- A copy-left license fits well for an FOSS office suite
My hopes:
- Apache OOo becomes a reference implementation of ODF and provides
libraries (like POI) which can be consumed
- Apache is able and willing to allow 3rd parties the use of the OOo brand
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Jun 10, 2011 9:03 AM, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>...
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (binding)
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by florent andré <fl...@4sengines.com>.
> [ X ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
non-binding
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Steve Loughran <st...@apache.org>.
On 10/06/11 17:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
I may have missed the vote it being over a weekend and me not checking
my mail until work hours, but being in GMT0BST I think I'm still in
time. I've also read through the other votes to help shape my own.
-1 (non binding)
* This may not foster an OSS community -just split a growing one in a
way that benefits two large vendors (Oracle, IBM) rather than the world
as a whole. In particular, a large chunk of the ongoing LibreOffice team
are against this proposal, and I'd be happier being on good terms with
the rest of the OSS world than with anyone else.
* A code dump without the oracle engineering team is going to be a hard
thing to work with. If the majority of people who work on the ASF
codebase are IBM FTEs, the knowledge of the codebase doesn't spread, and
when IBM decide to re-assign the engineers (as has happened with Axis
and Harmony), the knowledge of the code will go away. Sanjiva can vouch
for that, having helped pick up the pieces of one of those projects (and
done a good job of it :)
* It's a mass-market consumer OSS project on a par with firefox, not the
developer-centric tooling or server-side platforms we've historically
been involved in. If my mother has a problem with OpenOffice on her
(Ubuntu 10.4) laptop, I can't tell her to download SVN trunk and debug
the problem then submit a patch, as she can't even get the font settings
right in Yahoo! mail to stop it sending emails out in Courier 36.
* Although it's key download bandwidth may be on Windows, it is the key
office-compatible platform in the Linux world, which is why I run it on
all my office PCs. That bandwidth doesn't get measured, as it comes from
the RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu, SuSE and, um, Oracle repositories. Linux
hasn't suffered by being GPL, and IBM are happy to work within that
license constraint, so why not say "you want to stay on the trunk of the
open-office derivative works? Embrace GPL!"
* I don't see why the ASF should do Oracle any favours, not given their
past behaviour w.r.t the Java TCK, and their apparent willingness to sue
google on what may be apparent patent issues within the Apache codebase.
You can't sue someone over one bit of code and then at the same time say
"let's be friends", on what may be just a way to gain some tax kickback
by donating a half-dead brand to an open source project.
* I've not been happy with some of the discussions here were some of the
evangelists of the proposal -who have never been seen on any ASF project
I've ever encountered- suddenly seem to be knowledgeable about Apache's
goals and intentions that myself. I get the feeling the ASF is being
used as one of those pawns in a technology cold war "we'll trade Cuba
for Hungary". Case in point: press releases announced this before
anything else, implies to me a propaganda effort rather than progress.
The momentum is with TdF, that's where its home should be, and the ASF,
Oracle and IBM should accept and acknowledge that fact.
-Steve
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>.
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Eric
On 10/06/11 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here
> is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications:
> a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet,
> presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database.
> !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh
> operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality
> and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work
> to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office
> available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate
> applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous
> other features are also present including XML-based file formats based
> on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and
> other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual
> open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs
> and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and
> related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose
> the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and
> merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project.
> A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy,
> stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned
> a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set
> of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work
> involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked"
> into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who
> they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the
> secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is
> likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event
> on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and
> generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with
> !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format,
> e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice.
> We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache
> !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived
> projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us
> disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is
> easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses.
> We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of
> communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things
> fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the
> maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride
> in their distributions and value their independent names and websites.
> So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into
> a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is
> possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around
> this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and
> redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well
> as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project
> will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so
> that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream
> by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream
> contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship
> a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors
> to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open
> source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice,
> EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with
> Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are
> existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of
> raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications
> related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project
> and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the
> OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to
> substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not
> realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may
> evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of
> desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were
> involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to
> further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated
> by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with
> the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more
> committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project
> developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0
> license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing
> software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity,
> not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous
> license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove
> the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest
> is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place
> around open source software development more than any fascination with
> the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files
> as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
> similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there
> be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any
> project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name
> on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program
> code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
> || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting
> || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors,
> especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the
> following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:02:44 -0400
Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
-1 (non-binding)
I've agonised long and hard about this. Wouldn't it be fantastic
to see Apache take on such a great trophy project? And of course
we'll be best-of-friends with TDF despite perhaps a few vocal
individuals? And in the worst case, incubation will show up
weaknesses and rifts and the project will be reevaluated, either
re-homed or pensioned off for TDF to pick over the bones.
But against that, why have we been offered it in the first place?
If this had happened before the split then I'd say great, but
now it smells of politics.
* Noone has explained why they want to donate to us in preference
to TDF (the license issue doesn't wash given the history), only
vague words about failing to reach agreement.
* It feels like we're being handed a fait accomplit: take this
project, or the kitty dies. Erm, excuse me? I expect that
kind of railroading from someone who's paying for my time
and effort, not from someone who expects it for free.
Granted it's not easy to explain to the press that "it's not
a done deal", but they could at least have made the effort.
* Who benefits?
- Oracle and IBM have evidently decided it's in their interests.
Fine. That's their business, not ours.
- The competition? MS has no direct interest. Could go either
way for them, as for us.
- TDF? They get to cannibalise our work if they so choose.
But by the same token, that's work that wasn't contributed
to them in the first place.
- The smaller companies? I don't hear a unified voice.
- The public? More choice for the elite, confusion for the
many. Too much kerfuffle in FOSS-land, better stick to MS.
- ASF? That's the only one that matters to us, isn't it?
* Well, we get a big trophy project, lots of attention.
Good press if we make a success of it, bad press if we
fail. But that's asymmetric: the good press benefits
us little (we don't need it), while the bad could seriously
damage the brand.
* We also get a new project so big it's sure to rock the boat,
bring in a new culture. Once it's in the incubator it has
momentum: regardless of what happens, failure to graduate becomes
an epic fail for us.
* We have a huge community to absorb: we don't know that their
values match ours. We do know that a number of them with
Apache-like values of *community* and *open development*
split off and formed TDF. So perhaps those who *don't* share
such values are overrepresented in the non-TDF community?
We may be faced with individuals who are absolutely key to OOO
yet incompatible with ASF, so we can neither take them on
nor exclude them.
* It's outside our core competence. This kind of takeover has
been damaging for many ambitious corporations.
Having said all that, if we do accept it for incubation then
I'll be actively doing my best to make it a success.
--
Nick Kew
Available for work, contract or permanent.
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Dieter Loeschky <di...@googlemail.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
Regards,
Dieter
Am 10.06.11 18:02, schrieb Sam Ruby:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be
> winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept
> OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal.
> Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity
> applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component),
> spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and
> database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and
> Macintosh operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite
> that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all
> functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an
> XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials,
> user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will
> also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a
> programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to
> MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series
> saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as
> separate applications or as embedded components in other applications.
> Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file
> formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF)
> standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following
> the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its
> usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
> !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the
> OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of
> developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of
> !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data,
> and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets
> their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We
> are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this
> proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in
> this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment
> and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the
> project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a
> healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has
> spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with
> its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications
> built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g.,
> an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists
> of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development
> work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively
> "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have
> no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots
> of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that
> it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The
> annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an
> important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of
> the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects,
> often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate
> with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document
> format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra
> Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any
> eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended
> community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize
> and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help
> us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this
> license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with
> copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by
> the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual
> Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need
> to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value
> their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to
> expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache
> !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and
> further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize
> and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the
> !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux
> community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache
> !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and
> technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can
> be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways
> for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this
> relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other
> contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived
> products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice,
> LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of
> experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from
> none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of
> volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries.
> There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the
> possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant
> applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the
> certification project and developing the selling of marketing
> collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to
> independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and
> take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide
> a strong foundation and set of practices for developing
> standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally,
> the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its
> starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project
> and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by
> the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses
> were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order
> to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be
> dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored
> developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM
> clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will
> change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the
> permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage
> opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for
> new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to
> the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with
> a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary
> interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in
> place around open source software development more than any
> fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org
> files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
> items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but
> options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work
> on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from
> a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of
> documents. The project will complete any needed export control
> paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that
> there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark
> *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous
> build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through
> existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from
> !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is
> ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company.
> Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative
> of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have
> your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit
> program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com
> || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]],
> MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo
> external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
> || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com
> ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes
> ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact)
> New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD
> porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we
> believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple
> mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of
> the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
+1 (non-binding)
Andy Brown
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
+1
There are many reasons that this project might fail at Apache. These
reasons have been brought up and discussed enough that I feel
comfortable giving the project the chance to prove that it can be
successful.
Craig
On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this
> [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be
> winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept
> OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal.
> Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people
> to scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
Chair, OpenJPA PMC
clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Raphael Bircher <r....@gmx.ch>.
+1 (non-binding)
Greetings Raphael
Am 10.06.11 18:02, schrieb Sam Ruby:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be
> winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept
> OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal.
> Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to
> scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity
> applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component),
> spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and
> database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and
> Macintosh operation systems, with more
> [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite
> that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all
> functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an
> XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials,
> user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will
> also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a
> programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun
> Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed
> under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which
> was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open
> source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to
> MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series
> saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral
> and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the
> next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as
> separate applications or as embedded components in other applications.
> Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file
> formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF)
> standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following
> the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its
> usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the
> !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
> re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for
> OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer
> stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing
> !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the
> OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of
> developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of
> !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data,
> and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets
> their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference
> implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We
> are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this
> proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in
> this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment
> and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development,
> both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because
> Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial
> developers, want to encourage this style of development for the
> project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a
> healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has
> spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with
> its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications
> built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g.,
> an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists
> of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins,
> fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is
> added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking
> dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development
> work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively
> "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have
> no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots
> of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that
> it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The
> annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an
> important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of
> the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects,
> often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate
> with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document
> format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra
> Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any
> eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended
> community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize
> and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream
> contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help
> us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this
> license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with
> copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by
> the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual
> Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need
> to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value
> their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to
> expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache
> !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and
> further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular
> extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize
> and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the
> !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux
> community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache
> !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and
> technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can
> be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways
> for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including
> jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards
> development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release
> mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect
> lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this
> relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other
> contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived
> products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice,
> LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of
> experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from
> none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of
> volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries.
> There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the
> possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant
> applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the
> certification project and developing the selling of marketing
> collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to
> independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and
> take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context:
> discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc
> (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be
> integrated, following the
> [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project
> model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide
> a strong foundation and set of practices for developing
> standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally,
> the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its
> starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this
> proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed
> committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved
> with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual
> volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project
> and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by
> the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers,
> including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed
> committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source
> experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses
> were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors
> who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving
> this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad
> framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order
> to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development
> effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially
> encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be
> dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored
> developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM
> clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will
> change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the
> permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage
> opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for
> new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to
> the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with
> a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects
> have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for
> working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java /
> C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things
> like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary
> interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in
> place around open source software development more than any
> fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org
> files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional
> items:
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> *
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review
> these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but
> options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work
> on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from
> a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of
> documents. The project will complete any needed export control
> paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that
> there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark
> *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous
> build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through
> existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from
> !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is
> ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded
> the initial committer list with contributors from a single company.
> Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative
> of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have
> your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit
> program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and
> Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com
> || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual
> ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]],
> MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo
> external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart
> development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum
> || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com
> ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com
> ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes
> ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact)
> New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD
> porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N,
> Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com
> ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com
> ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we
> believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple
> mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of
> the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
-1
I do not think that accepting this podling is in the best interest
of the ASF. Absent explicit criteria / principles governing what
we accept into the Incubator, I have to apply informal judgment here
and I am voting -1 for the following reasons:
0) I think the ASF has a responsibility to consider the broader
community impacts of our actions. Arguments have been presented on
both sides of this issue here and elsewhere. My personal conclusion
is that this is not a *good thing* for the ASF to do.
1) The Incubator exists to provide a means for communities to join
the ASF. I am not comfortable that this proposal is consistent
with that mission. I know this proposal is not unique in
representing a commercial collaboration and we have never drawn any
lines defining what is acceptable / not acceptable in commercial
exploitation of the ASF brand and infrastructure. Absent that, I
have to apply judgment here and my personal opinion is that this
proposal crosses the line.
I respect and acknowledge the efforts of the ASF and other
volunteers working to build a community around this proposal and
should this VOTE pass, I will join the other ASF members in
welcoming the new volunteers to the ASF.
Please respect the VOTE subject line above and refrain from
responding to this post in the same thread. Please also review the
links Sam posted before repeating arguments already presented.
Phil
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by James Kosin <ja...@gmail.com>.
On 2:59 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
+1
Glad and Good Luck!
<not sure if I'm binding or not>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@openoffice.org>.
+1
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is
> a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[
> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100million downloads]] in its first year. The [[
> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|mostrecent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org
> |OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[
> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporatecommittment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this
> project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We
> intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further
> strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[
> http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[
> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQLConnector module]]
>
> * [[
> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|defaultimages]]
>
> * [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces(CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
> similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the
> initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on
> this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code
> (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[
> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org
> |EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]]
> !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
> designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[
> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[
> http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[
> http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]])
> || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[
> http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
> http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[
> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
> http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[
> http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[
> http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] ||
> ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum ||
> ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[
> http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[
> http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]]
> || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]])
> || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[
> http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[
> http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[
> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[
> http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials
> For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] ||
> ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[
> http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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>
--
*Alexandro Colorado*
*OpenOffice.org* Español
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
[ X ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding)
[ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
[ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
Cheers
Daniel
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
+1 (binding)
I remain tentative as there are clearly some risks associated with the podling. I'm concerned about its potential to consume disproportionate foundation resources relative to other projects. I also think it'll face a an uphill battle fostering a community that can both work well with other members of the ecosystem, gain the required momentum, and get to the point that it would survive the withdrawal of any single major player - all things I hope they strive to do.
I hope the podling will look closely at its scope in relation to the available committers, and at how to handle the user community - neither rushing incubation for the purpose of transitioning them, nor leaving them stranded if incubation is prolonged or fails.
However, I believe that incubation is the right time to sort those out, and I see that all of these things are being taken into consideration by the proposers. I wish them all the best of luck!
Cheers,
Brett
On 11/06/2011, at 2:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
--
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Stephan Bergmann <st...@googlemail.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
-Stephan
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding)
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:12 PM, IngridvdM <In...@gmx-topmail.de> wrote:
> [x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding)
>
> I would like to humbly beg you people from Apache for giving a chance to
> those who are willing to join you. I am deeply sorry that we are bringing a
> big political dispute with us. My hope is that the community that was so
> heavily divided last year will be able to reunite on your neutral ground.
:-)
And I'd like to thanks everyone who took the time to contribute to the
discussion here on list and to express their opinion through this VOTE
Robert
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by IngridvdM <In...@gmx-topmail.de>.
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding)
I would like to humbly beg you people from Apache for giving a chance to
those who are willing to join you. I am deeply sorry that we are
bringing a big political dispute with us. My hope is that the community
that was so heavily divided last year will be able to reunite on your
neutral ground.
Thanks!
Ingrid von der Mehden
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Nóirín Plunkett <no...@apache.org>.
+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding)
N
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
+1 (binding)
Cheers!
-- Leif
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Simos Xenitellis <si...@googlemail.com>.
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
-1 (non-binding)
This proposal is for the hosting of all OpenOffice.org services by the ASF,
and mandates for items such as marketing, documentation and localisation
which are not core competencies of the ASF. Moreover, the ASF has no
other project like OOo
that focuses on end-users. Furthermore, existing ASF developers have
little or no prior exposure to the OOo codebase due to the licensing
issue.
It would make sense for the ASF to focus on an ODF reference
implementation instead of undertaking the whole of OpenOffice.org, as
the FSF recommends,
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html
I believe that the ASF will be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of
diverse effort that is required, if this proposal passes.
Any development effort should join LibreOffice and the TDF (The
Document Foundation) which gained already the attention of the
community.
Simos
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
+1 (binding)
Ate
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
+1 binding. Given the sheer number of committers involved in this podling
there will be some work to do trying to gel a coherent development community
out of the group. While I am optimistic, I am reminded of Roy's cautions
about "piling on" [1] to a prospective podling, and am not entirely convinced
that it's necessarily a good thing that we promote the idea of "getting in
on the ground floor" wrt new podlings.
[1]- http://s.apache.org/VT5
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> From: Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 11:21:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> > As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> > down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> > Apache Incubator project.
>
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> /niklas
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Niklas Gustavsson <ni...@protocol7.com>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
+1 (non-binding)
/niklas
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com>.
+1 (Non-binding)
Thanks,
Kazunari Hirano
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
+1
-louis
On 2011-06-10 13:41 , Sander van der Waal wrote:
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> Sander
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RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Sander van der Waal <sa...@oucs.ox.ac.uk>.
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
+1 (non-binding)
Sander
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andrew Savory <as...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On 10 June 2011 17:02, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
+1 (non-binding)
Andrew.
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mladen Turk <mt...@apache.org>.
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 06/10/2011 06:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
Regards
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Emmanuel Lecharny <el...@gmail.com>.
> [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding).
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Cordialement,
Emmanuel Lécharny
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
+1 from me (binding).
cheers,
Leo
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <js...@openoffice.org>.
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding)
I would like to see a future for OOo and i hope that this can be a new
start. A few words to myself because i wasn't really visible here on the
list so far. My name is Juergen Schmidt (jsc) and I have worked on the
project since 1997. Probably some of you know me already, i am the API and
Extensions project lead and currently also a member of the OOo community
council. A more detailed introduction will follow soon.
Juergen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is
> a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[
> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100million downloads]] in its first year. The [[
> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|mostrecent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org
> contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS
> Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org
> |OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which
> might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache
> Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a
> strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[
> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporatecommittment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the
> majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this
> project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We
> intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further
> strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to
> support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial
> discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for
> extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF
> support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[
> http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[
> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQLConnector module]]
>
> * [[
> http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|defaultimages]]
>
> * [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces(CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary,
> required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these
> dependencies can be found [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on
> IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a
> similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org.
> All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project
> built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the
> initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our
> intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the
> various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on
> this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code
> (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[
> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org
> |EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]]
> !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
> designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[
> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[
> http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[
> http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>>
> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]])
> || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[
> http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo
> Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
> http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[
> http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[
> http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[
> http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[
> http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] ||
> ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum ||
> ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[
> http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[
> http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]]
> || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]])
> || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[
> http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[
> http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[
> http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[
> http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[
> http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials
> For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]]
> ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] ||
> ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[
> http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[
> http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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>
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Tim Williams <wi...@gmail.com>.
-1
As a foundation, we are optimized to support delivery of open source
code, it seems to me OOo and its user/community/the public would be
best served by an organization built for the delivery of a finished
end-user product. OOo would be such an anomaly for us I fear would
lead to an embarrassing chapter.
--tim
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Christoph Jopp <jo...@gmx.de>.
+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
(non-binding)
At first I thought beeing on the committers list would imply my approval
of the proposal. But now I'd like to give the reasons for my vote as so
many others did:
(All just my point of view as an suburban inhabitant of the "old" OOo
community)
TDF was and is important for the OpenOffice.org community and did and
does a great job. TDF came into existence just as many people of the OOo
community saw the project and the community in danger - to give a new
home to OOo. But still other parts of the community remain some kind of
"homeless".
So I think before the different parts of the community could
collaborate, approximate or even reunite, the "homeless" need a new home
and I do not see another place now - especially no better one - as the ASF.
Looking at the discussion of the last days I see many valid arguments on
both sides and a level of approximation I would not have considered
possible before. So please let that evolve and don't cancel it before it
has begun. I would find it sad to see only parts of the experience
represented on the committers list ( not my little bit ;-) ) beeing lost
for OOo.
My understanding of the Apache Incubator is that it is a place to see in
reality if all the "might-be" and "if" is valid or not (might be wrong
with it?).
So I would be curious to see the things coming.
Thank you for your time
Christoph
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Nick Burch <ni...@alfresco.com>.
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Please cast your votes:
I'm +1
If accepted, I'll try to help out with the podling, but alas I've not got
time at the moment to take on a full mentorship role of it.
Nick
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
+1 (non-binding)
S.
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Yes, and I also like to correct my previous statement: I actually meant that ALL votes are welcome (not only +1)!
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> From: Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 10:43 PM
> Mark Struberg wrote on Fri, Jun 10,
> 2011 at 23:09:21 +0100:
> > PS: I fear there is a misunderstanding regarding
> binding vs non-binding votes. Binding votes can only be cast
> by a IncubatorPMC member [1]. But of course, also
> non-binding +1 are welcome ;)
> >
>
> I'm going to be less roundabout:
>
> Roman's vote is not binding since he's not on the IPMC.
>
> > --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Roman H. Gelbort <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar>
> wrote:
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> > > From: Roman H. Gelbort <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar>
> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for
> incubation
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:13 PM
> > > El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort
> > > escribió:
> > > > +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> > > >
> > > and binding
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Prof. Román H. Gelbort
> > > No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen
> aplicaciones,
> > > sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas
> específicos...
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Mark Struberg wrote on Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 23:09:21 +0100:
> PS: I fear there is a misunderstanding regarding binding vs non-binding votes. Binding votes can only be cast by a IncubatorPMC member [1]. But of course, also non-binding +1 are welcome ;)
>
I'm going to be less roundabout:
Roman's vote is not binding since he's not on the IPMC.
> --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Roman H. Gelbort <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar> wrote:
>
> > From: Roman H. Gelbort <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar>
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:13 PM
> > El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort
> > escribió:
> > > +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> > >
> > and binding
> >
> > --
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Prof. Román H. Gelbort
> > No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen aplicaciones,
> > sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas específicos...
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Scott Deboy <sc...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Roman H. Gelbort <roman@piensalibre.com.ar
> wrote:
> El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort escribió:
> > +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> >
> and binding
>
> --
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
I think we should give it a try.
+1 (binding)
LieGrue,
strub
PS: I fear there is a misunderstanding regarding binding vs non-binding votes. Binding votes can only be cast by a IncubatorPMC member [1]. But of course, also non-binding +1 are welcome ;)
[1] http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Roman H. Gelbort <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar> wrote:
> From: Roman H. Gelbort <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:13 PM
> El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort
> escribió:
> > +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> >
> and binding
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Prof. Román H. Gelbort
> No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen aplicaciones,
> sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas específicos...
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> http://www.piensalibre.com.ar
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "Roman H. Gelbort" <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar>.
El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort escribió:
> +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
and binding
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "Roman H. Gelbort" <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar>.
+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
+1 (binding)
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)
On 10 Jun 2011, at 17:02, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts, clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs, Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution, basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org. However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development, shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc. These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code, create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated, following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers. Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example, the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers. We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide, then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL Connector module]]
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents. The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email''' ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org, [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] / [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA, [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]] || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) || ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]], [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]], [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]] || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual || ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]] ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]], [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]], [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]], [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]] [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]] ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]] || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting || ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM, Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
+1 (binding)
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:44 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm an Incubator PMC member so have a binding vote, but I'm also an
> IBM employee, on this vote I abstain.
>
> ...ant
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>>
>> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
>> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
>> Apache Incubator project.
>>
>> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
>> link to the document in the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>>
>> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
>> and review the archives for this month:
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>>
>> Please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
>> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
>> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
>> == Abstract ==
>> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
>> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
>> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
>> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
>> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
>> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
>> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>>
>> == Proposal ==
>> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
>> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
>> namely:
>>
>> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
>> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
>> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>>
>> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
>> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
>> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
>> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
>> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
>> document automation scenarios.
>>
>> == Background ==
>> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
>> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
>> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
>> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
>> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
>> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
>> million downloads]] in its first year. The
>> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
>> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
>> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
>> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
>> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
>> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
>> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>>
>> == Rationale ==
>> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
>> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
>> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
>> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
>> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
>> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
>> collaborative fashion.
>>
>> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
>> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>>
>> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
>> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
>> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
>> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
>> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>>
>> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
>> of the Open Document Format standard.
>>
>> = Current Status =
>> == Meritocracy ==
>> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
>> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
>> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
>> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
>> take on additional community responsibilities.
>>
>> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
>> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
>> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
>> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
>> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
>> !OpenOffice.org project.
>>
>> == Community ==
>> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
>> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
>> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
>> !OpenOffice.org include:
>>
>> * !LibreOffice
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>>
>> * IBM Lotus Symphony
>> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>>
>> * !NeoOffice
>>
>> * !EurOffice
>>
>> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
>> illustrated in this time line:
>>
>> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>>
>> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
>> include:
>>
>> 1. a user community
>> 1. a developer community
>> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
>> extended ecosystem
>>
>> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
>> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
>> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
>> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
>> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
>> core components.
>>
>> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
>> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
>> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
>> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
>> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
>> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>>
>> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
>> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
>> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
>> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
>> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
>> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
>> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
>> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
>> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>>
>> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
>> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
>> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
>> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
>> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
>> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
>> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
>> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
>> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
>> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
>> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
>> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
>> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>>
>> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
>> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
>> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
>> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>>
>> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
>> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
>> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
>> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
>> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
>> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
>> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
>> be integrated.
>>
>> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
>> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
>> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
>> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
>> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
>> the podlet.
>>
>> == Core Developers ==
>> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
>> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
>> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
>> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
>> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>>
>> == Marketing ==
>> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
>> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
>> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
>> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
>> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
>> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
>> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
>> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>>
>> == Education ==
>> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
>> World''' :
>>
>> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
>> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
>> of Education are concerned )
>>
>> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
>> !OpenOffice.org
>>
>> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
>> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
>> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
>> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>>
>> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
>> efforts and are in demand
>>
>> == Alignment ==
>> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
>> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
>> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
>> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
>> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
>> operating systems.
>>
>> = Known Risks =
>> == Orphaned products ==
>> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
>> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
>> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
>> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
>> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
>> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
>> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
>> community.
>>
>> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
>> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
>> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
>> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
>> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
>> previously.
>>
>> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
>> have signed up to support this project.
>>
>> == Homogeneous Developers ==
>> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
>> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
>> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
>> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
>> diversify this project.
>>
>> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
>> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
>> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
>> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>>
>> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
>> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
>> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
>> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
>> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
>> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
>> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
>> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
>> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
>> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
>> developers from any single company.
>>
>> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
>> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
>> been suggested, including:
>>
>> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
>> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
>> this have been promising)
>>
>> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
>> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
>> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>>
>> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
>> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
>> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
>> between these projects would be great.
>>
>> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
>> libraries
>>
>> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>>
>> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>>
>> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
>> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
>> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
>> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>>
>> == Documentation ==
>> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
>> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>>
>> == Localization ==
>> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>>
>> == Initial Source ==
>> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
>> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>>
>> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>>
>> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
>> Connector module]]
>>
>> *
>> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
>> images]]
>>
>> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
>> (CWS)]]
>>
>> == External Dependencies ==
>> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
>> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
>> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>>
>> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
>> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
>> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
>> available to us include:
>>
>> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
>> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
>> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
>> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
>> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
>> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>>
>> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
>> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
>> effort done on that product.
>>
>> == Cryptography ==
>> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
>> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
>> these features.
>>
>> == Required Resources ==
>> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
>> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
>> infrastructure is created.
>>
>> === Mailing Lists ===
>> The following mailing lists:
>>
>> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>>
>> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>>
>> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>>
>> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
>> notifications
>>
>> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
>> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
>> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>>
>> === Other resources ===
>> A subversion repository
>>
>> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>>
>> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>>
>> phpBB end-user forums
>>
>> Download site
>>
>> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>>
>> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
>> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
>> infrastructure group to act on.
>>
>> == Initial Committers ==
>> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
>> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
>> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
>> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
>> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
>> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
>> alphabetical ordering).
>> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
>> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
>> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
>> Project]] || ||
>> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
>> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
>> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
>> Infrastructure || ||
>> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
>> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
>> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
>> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
>> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
>> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
>> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
>> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
>> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
>> || ||
>> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
>> || ||
>> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
>> project]] || ||
>> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
>> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
>> ||
>> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
>> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
>> Project || ||
>> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
>> project lead || ||
>> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
>> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
>> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
>> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
>> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
>> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
>> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
>> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
>> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
>> Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
>> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
>> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
>> || ||
>> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
>> ||
>> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
>> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
>> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
>> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
>> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
>> Labs]] ||yes ||
>> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
>> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
>> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
>> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
>> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
>> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
>> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
>> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
>> ||
>> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
>> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
>> ||
>> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
>> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
>> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
>> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
>> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
>> Accessibility || ||
>> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
>> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
>> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Spreadsheet]] || ||
>> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
>> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
>> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
>> ||yes ||
>> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
>> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
>> Zealand]] || ||
>> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
>> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
>> || ||
>> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
>> ||
>> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
>> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
>> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
>> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
>> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
>> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
>> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
>> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Impress]] || ||
>> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
>> ||
>> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
>> Writer, Impress]] || ||
>> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
>> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
>> || ||
>> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
>> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
>> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
>> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
>> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
>> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
>> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
>> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> = Sponsors =
>> == Champion ==
>> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>>
>> == Nominated Mentors ==
>> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
>> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
>> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>>
>> a. IP review
>> a. infrastructure
>> a. release management
>> a. community development
>>
>> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>>
>> * Jim Jagielski
>> * Sam Ruby
>> * Danese Cooper
>> * Shane Curcuru
>> * Nóirín Plunkett
>> * Joe Schaefer
>> * Christian Grobmeier
>> * Ross Gardler
>>
>> == Sponsoring Entity ==
>> The Apache Incubator
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
I'm an Incubator PMC member so have a binding vote, but I'm also an
IBM employee, on this vote I abstain.
...ant
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Jun 12, 2011, at 3:01 AM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
> Am 12.06.2011 01:20, schrieb Henri Yandell:
>> It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of
>> being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum
>> openness can walk the path between corporate, startup and hobby needs.
>
> You think Apache Harmony is a comparable project? That went really well
> ... it is almost dead now.
Because of lack of TCK.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 6/12/2011 4:03 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>
> Not that much;
> * Same players.
> * Same importance.
Really?
I'm pretty certain there is < 0.05% overlap between the Office Suite
and Java Runtime mechanics of either Sun or IBM. They probably never
even shared so much as a VP, although I could be wrong.
I learned this from my experiences with Port 25/Compatibility Labs
in Redmond; if you take any group of thousands of employees and
hundreds of managers, your results from one group are going to be
radically different than your results with another group at the same
Corporation.
Painting with broad brushes may be useful in propagating FUD, but
I don't think they offer much wisdom to our incubator discussions.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You think Apache Harmony is a comparable project? That went really well
>> ... it is almost dead now.
>
> It is dead because the ASF didn't get this TCK. From this political
> point of view it is very different.
Not that much;
* Same players.
* Same importance.
* Not receiving all the IP needed (so I have seen asserted, but my be
FUD as much as I know).
Cheers
--
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> Am 12.06.2011 01:20, schrieb Henri Yandell:
>> It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of
>> being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum
>> openness can walk the path between corporate, startup and hobby needs.
>
> You think Apache Harmony is a comparable project? That went really well
> ... it is almost dead now.
You forgot how incredible it is to implement a full Java runtime. From
this code point of view it is very comparable.
It is dead because the ASF didn't get this TCK. From this political
point of view it is very different.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
Am 12.06.2011 01:20, schrieb Henri Yandell:
> It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of
> being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum
> openness can walk the path between corporate, startup and hobby needs.
You think Apache Harmony is a comparable project? That went really well
... it is almost dead now.
Cheers,
Andreas
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
+1 (non-binding).
I'm not concerned by any "the ASF don't do XYZ" - there's very little
centralization and the pressure will mostly be on the Incubator and
then later members@ to ensure 'the Apache way' isn't closeted to
programmers.
It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of
being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum
openness can walk the path between corporate, startup and hobby needs.
I was initially concerned by the Libre side of things. Were Oracle
looking to suckerpunch Apache? Were we going to smile and take it for
a random set of bytes (code over community; which we know is bad)? As
I dig more I am less concerned by this. It's sad that Libre and Open
would be separate, but that's a sadness that pervades our communities.
Free and Open are unable to find a compromise (cf: Linuxes & BSDs) and
this is just more of the same. We talk about 'the community' in
reference to Libre, but dual-licensing models have two communities -
you can't spin one off and forget the other.
So +1 to OpenOffice@Apache. It creates a contribution model to
LibreOffice, without scaring away the big potential contributors with
undesirable licensing.
Hen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Damjan Jovanovic <da...@apache.org>.
+1
non-binding
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE]
>
> As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding
> down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
> At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a
> link to the document in the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recall&rev=207
>
> As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan
> and review the archives for this month:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
> = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment =
> == Abstract ==
> !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a
> word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation
> graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is
> released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with
> more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a
> mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]].
> !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide.
>
> == Proposal ==
> Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the
> !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle,
> namely:
>
> "To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that
> will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and
> data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format."
>
> In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user
> facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this
> project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user
> forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to
> further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in
> document automation scenarios.
>
> == Background ==
> !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems
> in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of
> StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun
> Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000.
> !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its
> most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100
> million downloads]] in its first year. The
> [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most
> recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%.
>
> The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and
> scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage
> architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or
> as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are
> also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral
> !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources.
>
> == Rationale ==
> !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the
> contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open
> development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org
> development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to
> ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable
> corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a
> collaborative fashion.
>
> Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution,
> providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org.
>
> Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open
> Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and
> Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related
> solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the
> application or solution that best meets their requirements.
>
> The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation
> of the Open Document Format standard.
>
> = Current Status =
> == Meritocracy ==
> We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are
> particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal,
> that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this
> meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
> take on additional community responsibilities.
>
> The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both
> at Apache and elsewhere. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as
> contributor, and IBM as Sponsor, as well as the initial developers, want to
> encourage this style of development for the project. A diverse developer
> community is regarded as necessary for a healthy, stable, long term
> !OpenOffice.org project.
>
> == Community ==
> The !OpenOffice.org project, over its 10+ years of existence has spawned a
> diverse set of derived applications, each associated with its own set of
> communities. Some of the more prominent applications built on
> !OpenOffice.org include:
>
> * !LibreOffice
>
> * [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]]
>
> * IBM Lotus Symphony
> * !RedFlag China 2000 !RedOffice
>
> * !NeoOffice
>
> * !EurOffice
>
> A fuller picture of the range of customizations of !OpenOffice.org is
> illustrated in this time line:
>
> {{http://www.robweir.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/oo-forks.png}}
>
> Each of these products has one more more associated communities, which might
> include:
>
> 1. a user community
> 1. a developer community
> 1. a community of supporter, promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an
> extended ecosystem
>
> In some cases the development effort for the derived project consists of
> repackaging the core !OpenOffice.org code with additional plugins, fonts,
> clipart, in other cases an additional language translation is added bundled
> with additional language tools (spell checking dictionaries, grammar
> proofers), and in other cases the development work involves changes of the
> core components.
>
> In some cases the communities coordinate closely with the parent
> !OpenOffice.org projects, in other cases they have effectively "forked" into
> independent projects, and in some cases we really have no idea who they are
> or what they are doing. For example, screen shots of the secretive North
> Korean "Red Star" computer system indicate that it is likely using a
> customized version of !OpenOffice.
>
> The above community relations are as much social as business. The annual
> !OpenOffice.org Conference has, for many years, been an important event on
> the calendar for community members, a "gathering of the clans" and generally
> brings in the "extended family" of projects, often including
> non-!OpenOffice.org based projects that interoperate with !OpenOffice.org
> via the !OpenDocument Format (ODF) document format, e.g., Google Docs,
> Microsoft Office, !AbiWord, Calligra Suite/KOffice. We want to continue this
> tradition with members of any eventual Apache !OpenOffice TLP, in
> conjunction with the extended community of derived projects.
>
> One of our goals with this incubation project will be to rationalize and
> formalize the coordination of these upstream and downstream contribution,
> basing it on the Apache 2.0 license, which should help us disseminate
> enhancements to the core more easily, since this license is easily consumed
> by all derivatives, even those with copyleft licenses. We need to identify
> which functions performed by the broader network of communities are a good
> fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which things fit better outside of
> Apache.We also need to respect that the maintainers of these derivatives of
> !OpenOffice.org have a lot of pride in their distributions and value their
> independent names and websites. So it is not reasonable to expect that they
> will wish to be folded into a single "vanilla" Apache !OpenOffice.org.
> However, we must do what is possible to encourage and further develop a
> thriving ecosystem around this project.
>
> One possible outcome is that we encourage the core development of the
> editors to occur in Apache, while making it easy, via a modular extension
> mechanism, a modular install, etc. for others to customize and redistribute
> as permitted by the Apache 2.0 license.
>
> == Collaboration with LibreOffice ==
> The !LibreOffice project is an important partner in the !OpenOffice.org
> community, with an established focus on the GNU/Linux community as well as
> on Windows and Mac consumer end-users. The Apache !OpenOffice project will
> seek to build a constructive working and technical relationship so that the
> source code developed at Apache can be readily used downstream by
> !LibreOffice, as well as exploring ways for their upstream contributions to
> be integrated.
>
> There will be other ways we will be able to collaborate, including jointly
> sponsored events, interoperability 'plugfests', standards development,
> shared build management infrastructure, shared release mirrors, coordination
> of build schedules and version numbers, defect lists, and other downstream
> requirements. We will make this relationship a priority early in the life of
> the podlet.
>
> == Core Developers ==
> The initial set of committers include developers and other contributors to
> !OpenOffice.org, as well members of other derived products, open source and
> commercial, including Symphony, RedOffice, LibreOffice, EducOOo, etc.
> These committers have varying degrees of experience with Apache-style open
> source development, ranging from none to ASF Members.
>
> == Marketing ==
> Since its origins, !OpenOffice.org has had a healthy group of volunteers
> committed to marketing with "!MarCons" in many countries. There are existing
> initiatives that combine marketing with the possibility of raising
> independent funds, for example through EU grant applications related to the
> Life Long Learning programme, the certification project and developing the
> selling of marketing collateral around the OpenOffice.org brand. There is
> potential to independently raise money to substantially improve the quality
> and take up of the code that was not realised previously.
>
> == Education ==
> Create a '''strong bridge between !OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> World''' :
>
> * Provide a place for !OpenOffice.org users, in Education context: discuss
> about adapt !OpenOffice.org to your pedagogy, your needs ..etc (all levels
> of Education are concerned )
>
> * Provide and promote tools adapted to pedagogical use, around
> !OpenOffice.org
>
> * Write code together : train students to OpenOffice.org source code,
> create new features, experiment and reverse the best code to be integrated,
> following the [[http://education.openoffice.org|OpenOffice.org Education
> Project model]] and the [[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo effort]].
>
> * !OpenOffice.org has also maintained various mentoring projects and
> efforts and are in demand
>
> == Alignment ==
> The developers of !OpenOffice.org will want to work with the Apache Software
> Foundation specifically because Apache has proven to provide a strong
> foundation and set of practices for developing standards-based
> infrastructure and related components. Additionally, the project may evolve
> to support cloud and mobile platforms from its starting point of desktop
> operating systems.
>
> = Known Risks =
> == Orphaned products ==
> We are encouraged by the strong initial response that news of this proposal
> has attracted, quickly growing from two to over 80 proposed committers.
> Among those names are individuals who have been involved with this project
> for 10 years or more. In addition to the individual volunteers, there is a
> __significant__[[http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/34638.wss|corporate
> committment]]. The risk, as in most projects, is to grow the project and
> maintain diversity. This is a priority that is keenly desired by the
> community.
>
> == Inexperience with Open Source ==
> The initial developers include long-time open source developers, including
> Apache Members. Although the vast majority of proposed committers do not
> have Apache experience, they do have open source experience. For example,
> the names from *openoffice.org addresses were involved with the project
> previously.
>
> The inexperience risk is also mitigated by the strong list of mentors who
> have signed up to support this project.
>
> == Homogeneous Developers ==
> !OpenOffice.org for many years was managed by Sun, who provided the majority
> of its engineering resources as well as its direction. Moving this project
> to Apache enables a new start and provide a broad framework. We intend to
> engage in strong recruitment efforts in order to further strengthen and
> diversify this project.
>
> In terms of geographic diversity, the project has strong European
> participation. This reflects the historical core of the development effort
> in this project. We wish to diversify this more, especially encouraging
> greater participation from CJK, India and South America.
>
> == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> The initial group of proposed committers does not appear to be dominated by
> a single company. However, when we look at sponsored developers, with the
> ability to work on this project full time, IBM clearly has more committers.
> We beleive that this situation will change, as the project developers. The
> value of this code under a the permissive Apache 2.0 license will attract
> and encourage opportunities, not only for existing software vendors, but
> also for new ventures. This is a new opportunity, not previously permitted
> to the same degree by the project's previous license. This combined with a
> strong recruitment effort will help remove the project reliance on
> developers from any single company.
>
> == Relationships with Other Apache Products ==
> Several potential areas for collaboration with other Apache projects have
> been suggested, including:
>
> [[http://poi.apache.org|Apache POI]] potentially, if POI extends to support
> ODF, the default file format of !OpenOffice.org. (and initial discussions on
> this have been promising)
>
> [[http://tika.apache.org/|Apache Tika]] is a generic toolkit for extracting
> text and metadata from various file formats. Improving ODF support with
> tools from OOo is an obvious area of interest for Tika.
>
> [[http://pdfbox.apache.org/|Apache PDFBox]] is a Java library for working
> with PDF documents. If not direct code sharing over the Java / C++ divide,
> then at least sharing of PDF know-how and perhaps things like test cases
> between these projects would be great.
>
> [[http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/|Apache XML Graphics]] for SVG related
> libraries
>
> [[http://community.apache.org/|Community Development]]
>
> We are interested in further exploring these options.
>
> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ==
> !OpenOffice.org in itself is a very strong brand. Our primary interest is
> in the processes, systems, and framework Apache has put in place around open
> source software development more than any fascination with the brand.
>
> == Documentation ==
> Additional reading on !OpenOffice.org can be found at the
> [[http://www.openoffice.org/|existing project's website]].
>
> == Localization ==
> This part is mandatory, and an important step in the organization.
>
> == Initial Source ==
> The initial source will consist of a collection of !OpenOffice.org files as
> specified in Oracle's submitted SGA.
>
> During incubation, we will seek a grant to the following additional items:
>
> * [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/mysqlc|MySQL
> Connector module]]
>
> *
> [[http://hg.services.openoffice.org/DEV300/file/DEV300_m106/default_images|default
> images]]
>
> * [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/ChildWorkSpace|ChildWorkSpaces
> (CWS)]]
>
> == External Dependencies ==
> !OpenOffice has external dependencies, including source and binary, required
> and optional, under a variety of licenses. A list of these dependencies can
> be found [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/External/Modules|here]].
>
> We acknowledge that it is a podling graduation requirement to review these
> dependencies and to get the product into conformance with Apache
> requirements. The details will vary on a case-by-case basis, but options
> available to us include:
>
> * Substitute an external dependency with one having a compatible license
> * Contact the owner of a dependency and asking for a compatible license
> * Replace a source dependency with an unmodified binary dependency
> * Make a feature be optional, or user-installed
> * Rewrite a feature to avoid the external dependency
> * Remove a feature along with its external dependencies
>
> Note: This task will be aided by the help of project members who work on IBM
> Lotus Symphony, who are familiar with many of these issues from a similar
> effort done on that product.
>
> == Cryptography ==
> !OpenOffice.org supports digital signatures and encryption of documents.
> The project will complete any needed export control paperwork related to
> these features.
>
> == Required Resources ==
> Note: It is recommended that after this proposal is accepted, that there be
> a consultation with ASF Legal Affairs on the trademark *before* any project
> infrastructure is created.
>
> === Mailing Lists ===
> The following mailing lists:
>
> * `ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org` - for developer discussions
>
> * `ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org` - for Subversion commit messages
>
> * `ooo-issues@incubator.apache.org` - for JIRA change notifications
>
> * `ooo-notifications@incubator.apache.org` - for continuous build/test
> notifications
>
> '''Note''': a users mailing is not being requested at this time. It is
> anticipated that users will interact with the community through existing
> !OpenOffice.org systems, which are forums, based on phpBB.
>
> === Other resources ===
> A subversion repository
>
> A JIRA issue tracker: short code "OOo"
>
> Pootle server (suggested for localization centralization)
>
> phpBB end-user forums
>
> Download site
>
> TBD: some idea of how much build infrastructure measured in hardware.
>
> Oracle will assist in the transition and migration from !OpenOffice.org. All
> of the content has already been archived and is ready for the ASF
> infrastructure group to act on.
>
> == Initial Committers ==
> In order to help encourage the creation of a broad and diverse project built
> upon merit, as required of an Apache project, we have not loaded the initial
> committer list with contributors from a single company. Our intention is for
> the initial committer list to be representative of the various users of OOo
> code. It is perfectly all right to have your name on this list if you
> contribute in another way than to commit program code (please maintain
> alphabetical ordering).
> ||<tablewidth="897px" tableheight="714px">'''Name''' ||'''Email'''
> ||'''Affiliation''' ||'''iCLA''' ||
> ||Kai Ahrens ||ka at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org,
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Eric Bachard ||ericb at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]],[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education
> Project]] || ||
> ||Mathias Bauer ||mba at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org
> ||yes ||
> ||Stephan Bergmann || sb@openoffice.org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org || ||
> ||Raphael Bircher || r.bircher@gmx.ch
> ||[[http://www.raphaelbircher.ch|Individual]] !OpenOffice.org QA, and
> Infrastructure || ||
> ||Ben Bois ||benbois at ooo4kids dot org ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]]
> / [[http://wiki.ooo4kids.org|OOo4Kids]] /
> [[http://wiki.ooolight.org|OOoLight]] designer || ||
> ||Andy Brown ||andy at the-marin-byrd dot net ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Simon Brouwer ||simonbr at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||yes ||
> ||Alexandro Colorado || jza@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://education.openoffice.org/|Education Project]] || ||
> ||Fred-Juan DIAZ ||fred-juan.diaz at educoo dot org
> ||[[http://www.educoo.org|EducOOo]] tester || ||
> ||Robert Burrell Donkin || rdonkin@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Olaf Felka ||of at openoffice.org ||individual, QA,
> [[http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/FrameworkTeamsite/ooQA-TeamFramework.html|Framework]]
> || ||
> ||David Fisher || wave@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcelo Horacio Fortino || mfortino@estrategiasgnulinux.com ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Jaime R. Garza ||<<MailTo(garzaj AT SPAMFREE gmail DOT com)>> ||Individual
> || ||
> ||Roman Gelbort || elproferoman@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://openoffice.org/people/307558-elproferoman|Spanish and Marketing
> project]] || ||
> ||Luis E. Vasquez || levarcol@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Christian Grobmeier ||grobmeier AT apache dor org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Wolf Halton || wolf.halton@gmail.com ||http://atlantacloudtech.com || ||
> ||Dennis E. Hamilton || dennis.hamilton@acm.org ||Individual ([[orcmid]]) ||
> ||
> ||Ivo Hinkelmann ||ihi at openoffice dot org ||Individual || ||
> ||Eric Hoch || maveric@openoffice.org ||Co-Lead
> [[http://de.openoffice.org/|German Native Language Project]], MacPorting
> Project || ||
> ||Martin Hollmichel || mh@openoffice.org ||Release Manager, OOo external
> project lead || ||
> ||imacat || imacat@mail.imacat.idv.tw ||[[http://educoo.tw|EducOOo Taiwan]],
> [[http://zh.openoffice.org|Traditional Chinese]] || ||
> ||Jim Jagielski || jim@apache.org ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Christoph Jopp || jopp@gmx.de ||Individual ||yes ||
> ||Marcus Lange || mla@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://download.openoffice.org|download.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Steve Lee || steve@fullmeasure.co.uk ||Individual (a11y) ||yes ||
> ||Christian Lippka || cl@lippka.com ||Individual
> [[http://graphics.openoffice.org|graphics.openoffice.org]] || ||
> ||Dieter Loeschky || dl@openoffice.org ||Individual
> [[http://performance.openoffice.org|OOo Performance]],
> [[http://council.openoffice.org/esc|OOo ESC]] || ||
> ||Ian Lynch || ian.lynch@theingots.org ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing
> Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Carl Marcum || carl.marcum@codebuilders.net ||Individual
> [[http://www.codebuilders.net|CodeBuilders.net]] ||yes ||
> ||Patrick Maupin || pmaupin@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Ingrid von der Mehden ||iha at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chart2|OOo chart development]]
> || ||
> ||Stephane Quenson ||stephane.quenson [at] gmail [dot] com ||Individual ||
> ||
> ||Eike Rathke ||ooo AT erack DOT de ||individual || ||
> ||Manfred Reiter ||fredao at openoffice dot org
> ||[[http://theingots.org|Marketing Project/TLM]] || ||
> ||Zoltán Reizinger || r4zoli@openoffice.org ||Individual qa user forum || ||
> ||Phillip Rhodes || prhodes@fogbeam.com ||[[http://www.fogbeam.com|Fogbeam
> Labs]] ||yes ||
> ||Andrew Rist || andrew.rist@oracle.com ||[[http://oracle.com/|Oracle]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Lawrence Rosen || lrosen@rosenlaw.com
> ||[[http://www.rosenlaw.com/|Individual]] ||yes ||
> ||Juergen Schmidt ||jsc at openoffice dot org ||Individual
> [[http://api.openoffice.org|API]],
> [[http://extensions.openoffice.org|Extensions]] || ||
> ||Jomar Silva ||homembit at gmail ||Individual
> ([[http://www.homembit.com|homembit]]) || ||
> ||Kai Sommerfeld ||kso at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Mechtilde Stehmann || mechtilde@openoffice.org ||qa officer || ||
> ||Michael Stehmann || mikeadvo@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Greg Stein ||gstein at gmail ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Michael Stahl ||mst at openoffice dot org ||Individual !OpenOffice.org ||
> ||
> ||Carl Symons || carlsymons@gmail.com ||Individual || ||
> ||Stefan Taxhet ||stx123 at gmail
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/stefantaxhet|Individual]],
> [[http://openoffice.org/people/4-Stefan-Taxhet|OpenOffice.org]] || ||
> ||Malte Timmermann || mt@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://www.linkedin.com/in/maltetimmermann|Individual]],
> [[http://security.openoffice.org/|OpenOffice.org Security]] and
> Accessibility || ||
> ||Rob Weir || robert_weir@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||yes ||
> ||Yong Lin Ma || mayongl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Architect]] ||yes ||
> ||Lei Wang || leiw@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Spreadsheet]] || ||
> ||Drew Jensen || drew@baseanswers.com ||Individual
> [[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew|TDF]]
> [[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:DrewJensen|OpenOffice]]
> ||yes ||
> ||Graham Lauder || yorick_@openoffice.org ||!OpenOffice.org !MarCon
> [[http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html|(Marketing Contact) New
> Zealand]] || ||
> ||Florent André || florent@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Allen Pulsifer ||pulsifer at openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Herbert Duerr || hdu@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kazunari Hirano || khirano@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Kent Åberg || kent.aberg@newformat.se
> ||[[http://www.newformat.se/newformat/eng/newformat-home-index.html|NewFormat]]
> || ||
> ||Maho NAKATA || maho@openoffice.org ||ja/qa project lead, FBSD porting ||
> ||
> ||Miguel Á. Ríos ||mariosv@miguelangel dot mobi ||Individual || ||
> ||Dave !McKay || thegurkha@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Louis Suárez-Potts || louis@openoffice.org ||individual || ||
> ||Fernand Vanrie || sos@pmg.be ||individual || ||
> ||Arthur Buijs || artietee@openoffice.org
> ||[[http://nl.openoffice.org/|Dutch Native Language Project]] ||Yes ||
> ||Dave Barton || db@tasit.net
> ||[[http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org|Tutorials For OpenOffice]] || ||
> ||Jian Fang Zhang || zhangjf@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Symphony Chief Programmer, G11N, Security]] ||Yes ||
> ||Zhe Wang || wangzcdl@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Impress]] || ||
> ||Don Harbison || donald_harbison@us.ibm.com ||[[http://ibm.com/|IBM]] ||Yes
> ||
> ||Jian Hong Cheng || chengjh@cn.ibm.com ||[[http://symphony.lotus.com|IBM,
> Writer, Impress]] || ||
> ||Chao Sun || sunchao@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Heng Lee || liheng@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]] || ||
> ||Shu Wang Han || hanshuwang@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Hong Yun An || anhongyun@redoffice.com ||[[www.redoffice.com|RedOffice]]
> || ||
> ||Jin Hua Chen || chenjinh@cn.ibm.com ||IBM, Symphony Presentation || ||
> ||Yegor Kozlov || yegor@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Juan C. Sanz || jucasaca34@openoffice.org ||Spanish documentation || ||
> ||Peter Junge || pj@openoffice.org ||Individual || ||
> ||Cyril Beaussier ||oooforum at free dot fr
> ||[[http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr|French forum
> admin]],[[http://fr.openoffice.org/|French Project webmaster]] || ||
> ||Damjan Jovanovic || damjan@apache.org ||individual ||yes ||
> ||Fernando Cassia || fcassia@sdf.lonestar.org ||individual || ||
>
>
>
>
> = Sponsors =
> == Champion ==
> Sam Ruby, Apache Foundation
>
> == Nominated Mentors ==
> Because of the scope and complexity of this proposed project, we believe
> that the incubation process would benefit from multiple mentors, especially
> ones willing to be the "point person" for each of the following disciplines:
>
> a. IP review
> a. infrastructure
> a. release management
> a. community development
>
> Mentors (these are all Members of the Foundation):
>
> * Jim Jagielski
> * Sam Ruby
> * Danese Cooper
> * Shane Curcuru
> * Nóirín Plunkett
> * Joe Schaefer
> * Christian Grobmeier
> * Ross Gardler
>
> == Sponsoring Entity ==
> The Apache Incubator
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Phillip Rhodes <mo...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
>
> Please cast your votes:
>
> [X ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
> [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>
> This vote will close 72 hours from now.
>
>
(non-binding)
Phil
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by Samuel Rojas <sr...@gusl.org.ve>.
+1
El jun 13, 2011 2:28 p.m., "JLCastle" <le...@gmail.com> escribió:
> I see this is too late to count but I offer my thoughts anyway.
> It was already late before it lurked in an outbox for a while.
>
> [-1] (non-binding) Vote to reject the OpenOffice.org PROPOSAL
>
> I reject the proposal not the community or the project.
>
> I am still a bit of an open source newb and do not have a long history
> with either the code base, IP issues or the community.
> Please be free to correct or work around my misapprehensions.
> Please accept my remarks as offered in the spirit of contribution to the
> proposal's goal of continuing the creation, "as a community, [of] the
> leading international office suite".
>
> I am a TDF contributor but that is not the reason I reject the proposal
> as it stands.
> I am powerfully drawn to contribute to ASF and the OO project, despite
> my preference for an LGPL license. [1]
> I do not see the primary goals and interests of the Apache
> OpenOffice.org community and the TDF community as divergent.
> I believe that all open source branches of the OpenOffice family tree
> (linked by their still mostly common code base) will thrive best when
> they all thrive.
>
> The primary reasons I must reject this proposal (not the project!) come
> from my understanding of ASF and from a few years of maintenance
> development on a large old app:
>
> 1) The Rationale doesn't work for me at all:
> "Both Oracle and ASF agree that the OpenOffice.org development
> community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a
> stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. "
> -1A) This sentence speaks for ASF. I have seen several emails where
> this is frowned upon within the Apache community, but I will assume the
> true Sponsor (the Incubator) can speak as ASF through the proposal (back
> to itself?). A bit convoluted for the Rationale. More to the point is
> TDF's first value: We commit ourselves to eliminate the digital divide
> in society by giving everyone access to office productivity tools free
> of charge to enable them to participate as full citizens in the 21st
> century. --
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto
> -1B) The 're-uniting a fragmented development community' meme is
> disingenuous or just plain wrong. The permissive nature of the Apache
> license is called pragmatic because it is intended to allow and
> encourage a variety of proprietary downstream development branches: this
> is a fragmentation of development effort, nu? Also, LibreOffice
> development with its maturing timed release schedule and replacement of
> OpenOffice in many Linux distros is neither a figment nor a fragment.
> -1C) The Rationale for the project might simply change 'agree' to
> 'intend' and 'would re-unite' to 'could re-unite' to break down the
> resemblance to the Borg's infamous 'assumed close' technique. [2]
>
> 2) The Meritocracy section is broken. "Apache was chosen specifically
> because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor [...] want to
> encourage this style of development for the project." Leaving aside the
> veracity, what does "IBM as Sponsor" mean? The Incubator site says the
> Sponsor must be part of Apache - here the true Sponsor is the Apache
> Incubator. And I don't think 'IBM as Sponsor of ASF' works either.
> Open, democratic and transparent aren't about style - they are
> requirements for success and graduation.
>
> 3) The missings:
> 3A) Initial Goals section:
> It is sudden (tho' not surprising), a bit of a mess, all new and there
> is a lot to sort out.
> The Initial Goals could be a series of assertions of 'by when' critical
> aspects will get sorted out.
> -- Accessible, buildable repo: Unless it's just about to happen, this is
> initial goal 1.
> -- If the build system, code, artwork, etc have IP issues that make a
> dev repo unavailable then they become goal 0.
> -- Germ of Release Plan: Release what? when? OK, then: By when goals set
> = initial goal
> -- Idea of Core Team: how many FTers? From where? How many others to
> balance as community? Enough in #? Enough in coverage? How many
> community + non-sponsored developers to balance that into a community
> project? (by when have #s)
>
> 3B) There is other suggested content here --
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html -- that appears to be
> germane in this case of a large, established (OO has code older than
> Apache) project with a history checkered by 'management issues'.
>
> 3C) The Community section is missing translators, help/doc and only
> lists users and only infers the presence of national orgs with
> "supporter[sic], promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended
> ecosystem". In fact, the whole Community section reads like a business
> analysis: it speaks almost entirely about various releases. And as
> either a business analysis or community description it fails to mention
> the centralizing OOo brand.
>
> The flaws in Rationale, Meritocracy and Community with missing Initial
> Goals all add up to this stopper:
> -- The proposal doesn't just have hat problems, it looks like the
> case of The Wrong Trousers. [3]
>
> The proposal has existed a couple weeks and drawn out a nascent
> community of near 100 contributors. I understand that an incubation
> proposal is normally written by the [representatives of a] community
> seeking to enter incubation. While the project file delivery is sorted
> out and the infastructure is set-up there is time to set your course as
> a community. I can see the AOO community is eager to work on status and
> goals. Developing 'where we at' and 'where we going' will call out a
> rationale worthy of your community.
>
> I have been tremendously impressed by the skill and principles of the
> Apache community.
> The enthusiasm and experience of the community gathering around this
> project is inspiring.
> I would have voted for the proposal as is (X-P) with the addition of one
> initial goal to rewrite the proposal as a community.
> I apologize I did not get to figure much of this out for myself till the
> weekend.
> Projects are multiplying in my life like rabbits in summer, many besides
> AOO.
>
> There is a potential for AOO to come out of incubation in ~1/2 year as a
> TLP that promptly puts ~all of itself back into incubation as 8, 10 or
> even 20 subprojects [each app (or functional section? or both sets?),
> users, translators, build/release/package, qa, help/doc, site/wiki,
> etc.].
> I truly wish you well in this endeavor.
> It *IS* epic.
>
> Blessed Be!
> LeMoyne
>
> [1] If you wish to discuss 'the dread licensing issue' on this thread
> you are, of course, free to do so. Please change your subject line and
> please restrict your comments to relevant licenses that are held by The
> Dread Pirate Roberts, Judge Dredd or someone with dreadlocks.
> [2] It pains me to follow through on the analogy and see ASF cast in the
> role of Locutus.
> [3] A Wallace and Gromit movie by Nick Park. You don't want to wear the
> pants if they're The Wrong Trousers.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> JLCastle <le...@gmail.com>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by JLCastle <le...@gmail.com>.
I see this is too late to count but I offer my thoughts anyway.
It was already late before it lurked in an outbox for a while.
[-1] (non-binding) Vote to reject the OpenOffice.org PROPOSAL
I reject the proposal not the community or the project.
I am still a bit of an open source newb and do not have a long history
with either the code base, IP issues or the community.
Please be free to correct or work around my misapprehensions.
Please accept my remarks as offered in the spirit of contribution to the
proposal's goal of continuing the creation, "as a community, [of] the
leading international office suite".
I am a TDF contributor but that is not the reason I reject the proposal
as it stands.
I am powerfully drawn to contribute to ASF and the OO project, despite
my preference for an LGPL license. [1]
I do not see the primary goals and interests of the Apache
OpenOffice.org community and the TDF community as divergent.
I believe that all open source branches of the OpenOffice family tree
(linked by their still mostly common code base) will thrive best when
they all thrive.
The primary reasons I must reject this proposal (not the project!) come
from my understanding of ASF and from a few years of maintenance
development on a large old app:
1) The Rationale doesn't work for me at all:
"Both Oracle and ASF agree that the OpenOffice.org development
community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a
stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. "
-1A) This sentence speaks for ASF. I have seen several emails where
this is frowned upon within the Apache community, but I will assume the
true Sponsor (the Incubator) can speak as ASF through the proposal (back
to itself?). A bit convoluted for the Rationale. More to the point is
TDF's first value: We commit ourselves to eliminate the digital divide
in society by giving everyone access to office productivity tools free
of charge to enable them to participate as full citizens in the 21st
century. --
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto
-1B) The 're-uniting a fragmented development community' meme is
disingenuous or just plain wrong. The permissive nature of the Apache
license is called pragmatic because it is intended to allow and
encourage a variety of proprietary downstream development branches: this
is a fragmentation of development effort, nu? Also, LibreOffice
development with its maturing timed release schedule and replacement of
OpenOffice in many Linux distros is neither a figment nor a fragment.
-1C) The Rationale for the project might simply change 'agree' to
'intend' and 'would re-unite' to 'could re-unite' to break down the
resemblance to the Borg's infamous 'assumed close' technique. [2]
2) The Meritocracy section is broken. "Apache was chosen specifically
because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor [...] want to
encourage this style of development for the project." Leaving aside the
veracity, what does "IBM as Sponsor" mean? The Incubator site says the
Sponsor must be part of Apache - here the true Sponsor is the Apache
Incubator. And I don't think 'IBM as Sponsor of ASF' works either.
Open, democratic and transparent aren't about style - they are
requirements for success and graduation.
3) The missings:
3A) Initial Goals section:
It is sudden (tho' not surprising), a bit of a mess, all new and there
is a lot to sort out.
The Initial Goals could be a series of assertions of 'by when' critical
aspects will get sorted out.
-- Accessible, buildable repo: Unless it's just about to happen, this is
initial goal 1.
-- If the build system, code, artwork, etc have IP issues that make a
dev repo unavailable then they become goal 0.
-- Germ of Release Plan: Release what? when? OK, then: By when goals set
= initial goal
-- Idea of Core Team: how many FTers? From where? How many others to
balance as community? Enough in #? Enough in coverage? How many
community + non-sponsored developers to balance that into a community
project? (by when have #s)
3B) There is other suggested content here --
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html -- that appears to be
germane in this case of a large, established (OO has code older than
Apache) project with a history checkered by 'management issues'.
3C) The Community section is missing translators, help/doc and only
lists users and only infers the presence of national orgs with
"supporter[sic], promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended
ecosystem". In fact, the whole Community section reads like a business
analysis: it speaks almost entirely about various releases. And as
either a business analysis or community description it fails to mention
the centralizing OOo brand.
The flaws in Rationale, Meritocracy and Community with missing Initial
Goals all add up to this stopper:
-- The proposal doesn't just have hat problems, it looks like the
case of The Wrong Trousers. [3]
The proposal has existed a couple weeks and drawn out a nascent
community of near 100 contributors. I understand that an incubation
proposal is normally written by the [representatives of a] community
seeking to enter incubation. While the project file delivery is sorted
out and the infastructure is set-up there is time to set your course as
a community. I can see the AOO community is eager to work on status and
goals. Developing 'where we at' and 'where we going' will call out a
rationale worthy of your community.
I have been tremendously impressed by the skill and principles of the
Apache community.
The enthusiasm and experience of the community gathering around this
project is inspiring.
I would have voted for the proposal as is (X-P) with the addition of one
initial goal to rewrite the proposal as a community.
I apologize I did not get to figure much of this out for myself till the
weekend.
Projects are multiplying in my life like rabbits in summer, many besides
AOO.
There is a potential for AOO to come out of incubation in ~1/2 year as a
TLP that promptly puts ~all of itself back into incubation as 8, 10 or
even 20 subprojects [each app (or functional section? or both sets?),
users, translators, build/release/package, qa, help/doc, site/wiki,
etc.].
I truly wish you well in this endeavor.
It *IS* epic.
Blessed Be!
LeMoyne
[1] If you wish to discuss 'the dread licensing issue' on this thread
you are, of course, free to do so. Please change your subject line and
please restrict your comments to relevant licenses that are held by The
Dread Pirate Roberts, Judge Dredd or someone with dreadlocks.
[2] It pains me to follow through on the analogy and see ASF cast in the
role of Locutus.
[3] A Wallace and Gromit movie by Nick Park. You don't want to wear the
pants if they're The Wrong Trousers.
--
JLCastle <le...@gmail.com>
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RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
+1
--- Noel
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