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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com> on 2011/12/16 14:32:30 UTC
How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Hi all,
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Native+Language+Projects
How many languages will we support?
How many platforms will we support?
How many full installation sets will we provide for those languages
and platforms?
How many language packs will we provide for those languages and platforms?
http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/other.html
Will we provide full installation sets and language packs like this?
They were built based on the following policy.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
"If OpenOffice.org UI (User Interface) and HC (Help Content) are
translated around 80% in your language and your language localization
data is available within OpenOffice.org CVS / SVN / HG, Oracle Hamburg
team would build an install set of your language. If the UI is
translated around 80% only a language pack will be built."
Will we follow this policy?
These issues will affect the setting up of Pootle.
https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo/
Thanks,
khirano
--
khirano@apache.org
OpenOffice.org[TM](incubating)|The Free and Open Productivity Suite
Apache incubator
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 12/16/2011 02:32 PM, schrieb Kazunari Hirano:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Native+Language+Projects
>
> How many languages will we support?
> How many platforms will we support?
> How many full installation sets will we provide for those languages
> and platforms?
> How many language packs will we provide for those languages and platforms?
>
> http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/other.html
>
> Will we provide full installation sets and language packs like this?
These are all questions that have no answer yet and I don't see
qualified answers for the moment as we don't know who can build and test
how many builds on what platforms.
E.g., does someone have a Solaris Sparc machine *and* is willing to
build some dozends install sets *and* is able to do QA? If not, then
Sparc is pretty fast out of the game.
The same for Solaris x86, however, it could be installed in a virtual
machine but I don't know how to quality would be to use these install
sets as an official release.
> They were built based on the following policy.
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
> "If OpenOffice.org UI (User Interface) and HC (Help Content) are
> translated around 80% in your language and your language localization
> data is available within OpenOffice.org CVS / SVN / HG, Oracle Hamburg
> team would build an install set of your language. If the UI is
> translated around 80% only a language pack will be built."
>
> Will we follow this policy?
>
> These issues will affect the setting up of Pootle.
> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo/
I would suggest to import every byte of every language that we could
get. Then we have the possiblity to offer some starting point to the
respective NL community to go on with localization.
For a new release we can then see how much is translated and decide if
it makes sense to release a specific language.
E.g., when you have a ratio of 40 % UI and 0 % Help for Klingon, does it
make sense to release it? No, as more than the half of the UI is in
English (as default language) and nothing in the help.
So, here we have to make some rules when a l10n release make sense and
when not. For this the following criteria could be starting point:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Release_criteria#Localization_requirements
Marcus
Re: How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Posted by Andrew Rist <an...@oracle.com>.
On 12/16/2011 6:09 AM, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> What was the state of the translations in the OpenOffice.org 3.4 beta?
>> That is our starting point.
> Right. Where are the translations we had on
> "http://pootle.services.openoffice.org"?
I am afraid this is another issue related to TOO. The server that
http://pootle.services.openoffice.org was hosted on was paid for by
funds from TOO (anecdotal, but I have no reason to question that). TOO
has retained physical custody of that server. I have inquired about the
data on the server and have gotten no response. I have no interest in
trying to determine who is entitled to the server itself, but the data
is another issue. I believe the data belongs to the project, and is
something Apache OpenOffice is entitled to.
Martin, Stefan, Matthias - Can you help us retrieve this information for
the project?
>
> Thanks,
> khirano
--
Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect
OracleCorporate Architecture Group
Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847
Re: How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Posted by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com>.
Hi
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> What was the state of the translations in the OpenOffice.org 3.4 beta?
> That is our starting point.
Right. Where are the translations we had on
"http://pootle.services.openoffice.org"?
Thanks,
khirano
--
khirano@apache.org
OpenOffice.org[TM](incubating)|The Free and Open Productivity Suite
Apache incubator
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 12/16/2011 09:49 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Marcus (OOo)<ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> Am 12/16/2011 02:51 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Kazunari Hirano<kh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Native+Language+Projects
>>>>
>>>> How many languages will we support?
>>>> How many platforms will we support?
>>>
>>>
>>> What was the state of the translations in the OpenOffice.org 3.4 beta?
>>> That is our starting point. I don't think we've added many new UI
>>> strings (if any), so that is very close to our state now.
>>
>>
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease34
>>
>> We were in the middle of localization of the OOo 3.4 Beta as Oracle has
>> published its decision. So, the 3.4 Beta has an undefined state of
>> localization.
>>
>> When we have no chance to get the PO files fro mthis state, then we have to
>> do some work again.
>>
>
> What is required to get from the SDF files we have to the PO files?
> Is it possible? Easy?
Sorry, no idea. Ivo (OOo shortcut: ihi) was the guy who has handled the
l10n things as release engineer. But I don't know if he is around here
on the list.
Marcus
>>> What might make sense is this:
>>>
>>> 1) Work towards a 3.4 test milestone build that translators can use
>>>
>>> 2) Work toward having a working Pootle server configured for the project
>>>
>>> 3) When we have 1) and 2), invite translators in the community to test
>>> and provide additional translations via Pootle. Have a specific
>>> target window for this, like 2 weeks or 3 weeks. Any additional
>>> translations we receive would make it into the Release Candidate.
>>>
>>> 4) Translations are welcome on an ongoing basis, even after we deliver
>>> 3.4. We would need to discuss how these are released.
>>>
>>>
>>>> How many full installation sets will we provide for those languages
>>>> and platforms?
>>>> How many language packs will we provide for those languages and
>>>> platforms?
>>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/other.html
>>>>
>>>> Will we provide full installation sets and language packs like this?
>>>>
>>>> They were built based on the following policy.
>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
>>>> "If OpenOffice.org UI (User Interface) and HC (Help Content) are
>>>> translated around 80% in your language and your language localization
>>>> data is available within OpenOffice.org CVS / SVN / HG, Oracle Hamburg
>>>> team would build an install set of your language. If the UI is
>>>> translated around 80% only a language pack will be built."
>>>>
>>>> Will we follow this policy?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good question. If someone volunteers to build 100's of variations of
>>> installs on various platforms, packaging models and languages, then
>>> that would be great. But I think this only happened before because
>>> Sun had a full-time build engineer working on this. We don't have
>>> that anymore. So we might need a more sustainable distribution model,
>>> with fewer pre-built packages. It is much easier, for example, to
>>> distributed language packs. If we did that, then we might concentrate
>>> on making the installer smarter, so it could download a language pack
>>> on demand. If we did that then the user experience would be good, and
>>> the distribution model would be simpler.
>>>
>>>> These issues will affect the setting up of Pootle.
>>>> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> khirano
>>>> --
>>>> khirano@apache.org
>>>> OpenOffice.org[TM](incubating)|The Free and Open Productivity Suite
>>>> Apache incubator
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 12/16/2011 02:51 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Kazunari Hirano<kh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Native+Language+Projects
>>>
>>> How many languages will we support?
>>> How many platforms will we support?
>>
>>
>> What was the state of the translations in the OpenOffice.org 3.4 beta?
>> That is our starting point. I don't think we've added many new UI
>> strings (if any), so that is very close to our state now.
>
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease34
>
> We were in the middle of localization of the OOo 3.4 Beta as Oracle has
> published its decision. So, the 3.4 Beta has an undefined state of
> localization.
>
> When we have no chance to get the PO files fro mthis state, then we have to
> do some work again.
>
What is required to get from the SDF files we have to the PO files?
Is it possible? Easy?
-Rob
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>> What might make sense is this:
>>
>> 1) Work towards a 3.4 test milestone build that translators can use
>>
>> 2) Work toward having a working Pootle server configured for the project
>>
>> 3) When we have 1) and 2), invite translators in the community to test
>> and provide additional translations via Pootle. Have a specific
>> target window for this, like 2 weeks or 3 weeks. Any additional
>> translations we receive would make it into the Release Candidate.
>>
>> 4) Translations are welcome on an ongoing basis, even after we deliver
>> 3.4. We would need to discuss how these are released.
>>
>>
>>> How many full installation sets will we provide for those languages
>>> and platforms?
>>> How many language packs will we provide for those languages and
>>> platforms?
>>>
>>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/other.html
>>>
>>> Will we provide full installation sets and language packs like this?
>>>
>>> They were built based on the following policy.
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
>>> "If OpenOffice.org UI (User Interface) and HC (Help Content) are
>>> translated around 80% in your language and your language localization
>>> data is available within OpenOffice.org CVS / SVN / HG, Oracle Hamburg
>>> team would build an install set of your language. If the UI is
>>> translated around 80% only a language pack will be built."
>>>
>>> Will we follow this policy?
>>>
>>
>> Good question. If someone volunteers to build 100's of variations of
>> installs on various platforms, packaging models and languages, then
>> that would be great. But I think this only happened before because
>> Sun had a full-time build engineer working on this. We don't have
>> that anymore. So we might need a more sustainable distribution model,
>> with fewer pre-built packages. It is much easier, for example, to
>> distributed language packs. If we did that, then we might concentrate
>> on making the installer smarter, so it could download a language pack
>> on demand. If we did that then the user experience would be good, and
>> the distribution model would be simpler.
>>
>>> These issues will affect the setting up of Pootle.
>>> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo/
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> khirano
>>> --
>>> khirano@apache.org
>>> OpenOffice.org[TM](incubating)|The Free and Open Productivity Suite
>>> Apache incubator
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 12/16/2011 02:51 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Kazunari Hirano<kh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Native+Language+Projects
>>
>> How many languages will we support?
>> How many platforms will we support?
>
> What was the state of the translations in the OpenOffice.org 3.4 beta?
> That is our starting point. I don't think we've added many new UI
> strings (if any), so that is very close to our state now.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease34
We were in the middle of localization of the OOo 3.4 Beta as Oracle has
published its decision. So, the 3.4 Beta has an undefined state of
localization.
When we have no chance to get the PO files fro mthis state, then we have
to do some work again.
Marcus
> What might make sense is this:
>
> 1) Work towards a 3.4 test milestone build that translators can use
>
> 2) Work toward having a working Pootle server configured for the project
>
> 3) When we have 1) and 2), invite translators in the community to test
> and provide additional translations via Pootle. Have a specific
> target window for this, like 2 weeks or 3 weeks. Any additional
> translations we receive would make it into the Release Candidate.
>
> 4) Translations are welcome on an ongoing basis, even after we deliver
> 3.4. We would need to discuss how these are released.
>
>
>> How many full installation sets will we provide for those languages
>> and platforms?
>> How many language packs will we provide for those languages and platforms?
>>
>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/other.html
>>
>> Will we provide full installation sets and language packs like this?
>>
>> They were built based on the following policy.
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
>> "If OpenOffice.org UI (User Interface) and HC (Help Content) are
>> translated around 80% in your language and your language localization
>> data is available within OpenOffice.org CVS / SVN / HG, Oracle Hamburg
>> team would build an install set of your language. If the UI is
>> translated around 80% only a language pack will be built."
>>
>> Will we follow this policy?
>>
>
> Good question. If someone volunteers to build 100's of variations of
> installs on various platforms, packaging models and languages, then
> that would be great. But I think this only happened before because
> Sun had a full-time build engineer working on this. We don't have
> that anymore. So we might need a more sustainable distribution model,
> with fewer pre-built packages. It is much easier, for example, to
> distributed language packs. If we did that, then we might concentrate
> on making the installer smarter, so it could download a language pack
> on demand. If we did that then the user experience would be good, and
> the distribution model would be simpler.
>
>> These issues will affect the setting up of Pootle.
>> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo/
>>
>> Thanks,
>> khirano
>> --
>> khirano@apache.org
>> OpenOffice.org[TM](incubating)|The Free and Open Productivity Suite
>> Apache incubator
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: How many languages will Apache OpenOffice support?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Native+Language+Projects
>
> How many languages will we support?
> How many platforms will we support?
What was the state of the translations in the OpenOffice.org 3.4 beta?
That is our starting point. I don't think we've added many new UI
strings (if any), so that is very close to our state now.
What might make sense is this:
1) Work towards a 3.4 test milestone build that translators can use
2) Work toward having a working Pootle server configured for the project
3) When we have 1) and 2), invite translators in the community to test
and provide additional translations via Pootle. Have a specific
target window for this, like 2 weeks or 3 weeks. Any additional
translations we receive would make it into the Release Candidate.
4) Translations are welcome on an ongoing basis, even after we deliver
3.4. We would need to discuss how these are released.
> How many full installation sets will we provide for those languages
> and platforms?
> How many language packs will we provide for those languages and platforms?
>
> http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/other.html
>
> Will we provide full installation sets and language packs like this?
>
> They were built based on the following policy.
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
> "If OpenOffice.org UI (User Interface) and HC (Help Content) are
> translated around 80% in your language and your language localization
> data is available within OpenOffice.org CVS / SVN / HG, Oracle Hamburg
> team would build an install set of your language. If the UI is
> translated around 80% only a language pack will be built."
>
> Will we follow this policy?
>
Good question. If someone volunteers to build 100's of variations of
installs on various platforms, packaging models and languages, then
that would be great. But I think this only happened before because
Sun had a full-time build engineer working on this. We don't have
that anymore. So we might need a more sustainable distribution model,
with fewer pre-built packages. It is much easier, for example, to
distributed language packs. If we did that, then we might concentrate
on making the installer smarter, so it could download a language pack
on demand. If we did that then the user experience would be good, and
the distribution model would be simpler.
> These issues will affect the setting up of Pootle.
> https://translate.apache.org/projects/OOo/
>
> Thanks,
> khirano
> --
> khirano@apache.org
> OpenOffice.org[TM](incubating)|The Free and Open Productivity Suite
> Apache incubator
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/