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Posted to apachecon-discuss@apache.org by Nick Burch <ni...@apache.org> on 2013/01/14 23:12:28 UTC
"Future of ApacheCon" discussion at ACNA
Hi All
As most of you will hopefully know, we have a desire to host another ACEU,
but know it can't be organised the same way, and ACNA is being run by an
external producer in a different way to past ApacheCons.
I would like to propose that towards the end of ACNA, as many of us as
possible get together (with note taking / recording / google hangouts etc
for those not in Portland) to decide what we want to do about ApacheCon
post-Portland. Topics will include, but not be limited to:
* How does the new style producer arrangement work, and what should be
changed going onwards?
* Can we square the circle of user + developer + committer/contributor
needs with one ApacheCon event, or do we need to split (and if so
into what?)
* Assuming we do want to run more producer led ACNAs and ACEUs, what do
we need to alter (if anything) from the RFP, what timescales etc should
we do for selecting a producer for both? (Note that producers ideally
want 12-18 months run-up)
Everyone is welcome to attend, including past/present/future producers.
However, if we make amazing progress and get into nitty-gritty details, we
might need to make the last bit of the session concom only. Hopefully the
outcome of this + subsequent on-list discussions will quite quickly be a
plan for ApacheCons for the next few years!
Pencil it in your diaries, and we'll try to announce a date + venue a
little closer to ACNA!
Nick
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by "J.Lance Wilkinson" <jl...@psu.edu>.
Rich Bowen wrote:
> The schedule is also all on Lanyrd. It would be cool to agree on one
> site and encourage everyone to use that one site.
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:31 PM, J.Lance Wilkinson wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I asked the Open Bastion folks about Crowdvine and/or other
>> networking resources, and today they informed me that Crowdvine was
>> now set up. Great! I've already started my preliminary schedule
>> with this.
>>
>> Mr.Holden asked me to gin up interest, so folks be aware its available
>> now:
>> http://acna13.crowdvine.com/
OK, so I bit the bullet and joined Lanyrd against my prior plans,
and see it has about the same stuff as Crowdvine -- except in Crowdvine
I can see that I can easily plan my session schedule, and there's
nothing intuitively there in Lanyrd to do the same; nor is there
anything in their FAQ. Seems like it's great for speakers but
doesn't have much for the raw attendee. How to tag the sessions I
plan to attend in Lanyrd please?
--
J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance") InterNet: Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu
Systems Design Specialist - Lead Phone: (814) 865-4870
Digital Library Technologies FAX: (814) 863-3560
E3 Paterno Library
Penn State University
University Park, PA 16802
http://ucs.psu.edu/home/jlw12@psu.edu?fmt=freebusy
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by sh...@e-z.net.
I find Lanyrd quite slow on my lazy internet connection.
Crowdvinde uses much fewer resources and is responsive even on dial-up
internet.
Because of the many people currently using Lanyrd, I will probably use it
for meetups. Otherwise, I still plan to use Crowdvine for my conference
schedule.
Steven J. Hathaway
> On Jan 22, 2013, at 10:19 AM, J.Lance Wilkinson wrote:
>
>> Steve Holden wrote:
>>> For the moment we are on both. Lanyrd does allow you to create a
>>> personal schedule, but apparently only through the mobile (iPhone,
>>> Android) apps they promote. Lanyrd is more modern, and I suspect that
>>
>> Don't find any Lanyrd mobile apps in the Google play store; went
>> to m.lanyrd.com and indeed there's a mobile optimized website
>> there but nothing to suggest it has the ability to build any
>> personal schedule either.
>>
> http://lanyrd.com/mobile/, but I think they are taking a few liberties
> with the phrase "personal schedule," since there doesn't appear to be any
> way of flagging sessions for individual attendance. As a conference
> organizer this feedback is invaluable.
>
>>> over the long haul they will overtake Crowdvine, because they seem able
>>> to make more effective use of web APIs, they are better known, and
>>> don't expect the individual users to do as much work.
>>> regards
>>> Steve
>>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>>> For whatever it's worth, Lanyrd has the advantage that more people
>>>> have heard of it, and CrowdVine is superior in every other way,
>>>> especially the itinerary planning tools.
>>>>
>> Most conferences I've attended (e.g., Brainshare, Adobe Max)
>> had their own web-based personal scheduling tool. Never used
>> Crowdvine before Apachecon, never used Lanyrd before yesterday.
>> Personal scheduling is about the only reason I'd used either
>> since almost everything else is back on the main conference
>> site.
>>
> Looks like you'll be going with Crowdvine for the moment, then.
>
> regards
> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb
> --
> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>
> Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
> Community events: Barcamp Feb 24 Hackathon Feb 25 Development Mar 1/2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>.
On Jan 22, 2013, at 10:19 AM, J.Lance Wilkinson wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>> For the moment we are on both. Lanyrd does allow you to create a personal schedule, but apparently only through the mobile (iPhone, Android) apps they promote. Lanyrd is more modern, and I suspect that
>
> Don't find any Lanyrd mobile apps in the Google play store; went
> to m.lanyrd.com and indeed there's a mobile optimized website
> there but nothing to suggest it has the ability to build any
> personal schedule either.
>
http://lanyrd.com/mobile/, but I think they are taking a few liberties with the phrase "personal schedule," since there doesn't appear to be any way of flagging sessions for individual attendance. As a conference organizer this feedback is invaluable.
>> over the long haul they will overtake Crowdvine, because they seem able to make more effective use of web APIs, they are better known, and don't expect the individual users to do as much work.
>> regards
>> Steve
>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>> For whatever it's worth, Lanyrd has the advantage that more people have heard of it, and CrowdVine is superior in every other way, especially the itinerary planning tools.
>>>
> Most conferences I've attended (e.g., Brainshare, Adobe Max)
> had their own web-based personal scheduling tool. Never used
> Crowdvine before Apachecon, never used Lanyrd before yesterday.
> Personal scheduling is about the only reason I'd used either
> since almost everything else is back on the main conference
> site.
>
Looks like you'll be going with Crowdvine for the moment, then.
regards
Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb
--
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
Community events: Barcamp Feb 24 Hackathon Feb 25 Development Mar 1/2
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by "J.Lance Wilkinson" <jl...@psu.edu>.
Steve Holden wrote:
> For the moment we are on both. Lanyrd does allow you to create a
> personal schedule, but apparently only through the mobile (iPhone,
> Android) apps they promote. Lanyrd is more modern, and I suspect that
Don't find any Lanyrd mobile apps in the Google play store; went
to m.lanyrd.com and indeed there's a mobile optimized website
there but nothing to suggest it has the ability to build any
personal schedule either.
> over the long haul they will overtake Crowdvine, because they seem able
> to make more effective use of web APIs, they are better known, and don't
> expect the individual users to do as much work.
>
> regards
> Steve
>
> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>> For whatever it's worth, Lanyrd has the advantage that more people
>> have heard of it, and CrowdVine is superior in every other way,
>> especially the itinerary planning tools.
>>
Most conferences I've attended (e.g., Brainshare, Adobe Max)
had their own web-based personal scheduling tool. Never used
Crowdvine before Apachecon, never used Lanyrd before yesterday.
Personal scheduling is about the only reason I'd used either
since almost everything else is back on the main conference
site.
--
J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance") InterNet: Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu
Systems Design Specialist - Lead Phone: (814) 865-4870
Digital Library Technologies FAX: (814) 863-3560
E3 Paterno Library
Penn State University
University Park, PA 16802
http://ucs.psu.edu/home/jlw12@psu.edu?fmt=freebusy
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>.
For the moment we are on both. Lanyrd does allow you to create a personal schedule, but apparently only through the mobile (iPhone, Android) apps they promote. Lanyrd is more modern, and I suspect that over the long haul they will overtake Crowdvine, because they seem able to make more effective use of web APIs, they are better known, and don't expect the individual users to do as much work.
regards
Steve
On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> For whatever it's worth, Lanyrd has the advantage that more people have heard of it, and CrowdVine is superior in every other way, especially the itinerary planning tools.
>
> --Rich
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
>
>> That's a cat-herdin task that I suspect would be considerably beyond my abilities. CrowdVine was used for the 2011 conference, so people who have accounts already will find it familiar and won't even need to sign up again. Lanyrd users won't move to CrowdVine just for ApacheCon, and vice versa. Hence making them both available, unsatisfactory as that may be.
>>
>> For future years I agree the social networking strategy should be agreed in advance and publicized early.
>>
>> regards
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>
>>> The schedule is also all on Lanyrd. It would be cool to agree on one site and encourage everyone to use that one site.
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:31 PM, J.Lance Wilkinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yesterday I asked the Open Bastion folks about Crowdvine and/or other networking resources, and today they informed me that Crowdvine was now set up. Great! I've already started my preliminary schedule with this.
>>>>
>>>> Mr.Holden asked me to gin up interest, so folks be aware its available now:
>>>> http://acna13.crowdvine.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich Bowen
>>> rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
>>> rbowen@apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 http://holdenweb.com/
>> --
>> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
>> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>>
>> Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen
> rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
> rbowen@apache.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb
--
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
Community events: Barcamp Feb 24 Hackathon Feb 25 Development Mar 1/2
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
For whatever it's worth, Lanyrd has the advantage that more people have heard of it, and CrowdVine is superior in every other way, especially the itinerary planning tools.
--Rich
On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> That's a cat-herdin task that I suspect would be considerably beyond my abilities. CrowdVine was used for the 2011 conference, so people who have accounts already will find it familiar and won't even need to sign up again. Lanyrd users won't move to CrowdVine just for ApacheCon, and vice versa. Hence making them both available, unsatisfactory as that may be.
>
> For future years I agree the social networking strategy should be agreed in advance and publicized early.
>
> regards
> Steve
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>> The schedule is also all on Lanyrd. It would be cool to agree on one site and encourage everyone to use that one site.
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:31 PM, J.Lance Wilkinson wrote:
>>
>>> Yesterday I asked the Open Bastion folks about Crowdvine and/or other networking resources, and today they informed me that Crowdvine was now set up. Great! I've already started my preliminary schedule with this.
>>>
>>> Mr.Holden asked me to gin up interest, so folks be aware its available now:
>>> http://acna13.crowdvine.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen
>> rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
>> rbowen@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 http://holdenweb.com/
> --
> Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
> Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
>
> Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbowen@apache.org
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>.
That's a cat-herdin task that I suspect would be considerably beyond my abilities. CrowdVine was used for the 2011 conference, so people who have accounts already will find it familiar and won't even need to sign up again. Lanyrd users won't move to CrowdVine just for ApacheCon, and vice versa. Hence making them both available, unsatisfactory as that may be.
For future years I agree the social networking strategy should be agreed in advance and publicized early.
regards
Steve
On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The schedule is also all on Lanyrd. It would be cool to agree on one site and encourage everyone to use that one site.
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:31 PM, J.Lance Wilkinson wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I asked the Open Bastion folks about Crowdvine and/or other networking resources, and today they informed me that Crowdvine was now set up. Great! I've already started my preliminary schedule with this.
>>
>> Mr.Holden asked me to gin up interest, so folks be aware its available now:
>> http://acna13.crowdvine.com/
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen
> rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
> rbowen@apache.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 http://holdenweb.com/
--
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
Re: Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
The schedule is also all on Lanyrd. It would be cool to agree on one site and encourage everyone to use that one site.
On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:31 PM, J.Lance Wilkinson wrote:
> Yesterday I asked the Open Bastion folks about Crowdvine and/or other networking resources, and today they informed me that Crowdvine was now set up. Great! I've already started my preliminary schedule with this.
>
> Mr.Holden asked me to gin up interest, so folks be aware its available now:
> http://acna13.crowdvine.com/
--
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com :: @rbowen
rbowen@apache.org
Crowdvine for ApacheCon NA 2013
Posted by "J.Lance Wilkinson" <jl...@psu.edu>.
Yesterday I asked the Open Bastion folks about Crowdvine and/or other
networking resources, and today they informed me that Crowdvine was now set up.
Great! I've already started my preliminary schedule with this.
Mr.Holden asked me to gin up interest, so folks be aware its available now:
http://acna13.crowdvine.com/
--
J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance") InterNet: Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu
Systems Design Specialist - Lead Phone: (814) 865-4870
Digital Library Technologies FAX: (814) 863-3560
E3 Paterno Library
Penn State University
University Park, PA 16802
http://ucs.psu.edu/home/jlw12@psu.edu?fmt=freebusy
Re: "Future of ApacheCon" discussion at ACNA
Posted by Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>.
On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Nick Burch wrote:
> On 15/01/13 19:33, Steve Holden wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Nick Burch wrote:
>>> As most of you will hopefully know, we have a desire to host another ACEU, but know it can't be organised the same way, and ACNA is being run by an external producer in a different way to past ApacheCons.
>>>
>> As said organizer, we will be happy to facilitate this meeting.
>
> Wonderful, thanks. Based on the conference schedule, and your personal schedule, any chance you might be able to propose a time + date + location for it, so we can check if most people can make that?
>
Stake in the ground for 8:00 pm Wednesday night. We'll be having lightnings on Wednesday after the main conference. Would you mind running it up the flagpole and seeing who salutes?
>>> * Can we square the circle of user + developer + committer/contributor
>>> needs with one ApacheCon event, or do we need to split (and if so
>>> into what?)
>>
>> It would be a shame to do that in my opinion, and the contributors are those with the highest value as speakers and delegates to others thinking of coming to ApacheCon.
>
> I agree, but I want it to be clear to everyone that that option is on the table if need be - this is not a meeting to rubber stamp another ApacheCon, but to seriously consider everything based on our experiences with ACEU and ACNA!
>
I think that's an excellent notion. From our side I am interested in helping develop new ways for open source communities to interact with commercial entities such as The Open Bastion to common advantage.
regards
Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 @holdenweb
--
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/
Community events: Barcamp Feb 24 Hackathon Feb 25 Development Mar 1/2
Re: "Future of ApacheCon" discussion at ACNA
Posted by Nick Burch <ni...@apache.org>.
On 15/01/13 19:33, Steve Holden wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Nick Burch wrote:
>> As most of you will hopefully know, we have a desire to host another ACEU, but know it can't be organised the same way, and ACNA is being run by an external producer in a different way to past ApacheCons.
>>
> As said organizer, we will be happy to facilitate this meeting.
Wonderful, thanks. Based on the conference schedule, and your personal
schedule, any chance you might be able to propose a time + date +
location for it, so we can check if most people can make that?
>> * Can we square the circle of user + developer + committer/contributor
>> needs with one ApacheCon event, or do we need to split (and if so
>> into what?)
>
> It would be a shame to do that in my opinion, and the contributors are those with the highest value as speakers and delegates to others thinking of coming to ApacheCon.
I agree, but I want it to be clear to everyone that that option is on
the table if need be - this is not a meeting to rubber stamp another
ApacheCon, but to seriously consider everything based on our experiences
with ACEU and ACNA!
Nick
Re: "Future of ApacheCon" discussion at ACNA
Posted by Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com>.
On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Nick Burch wrote:
> Hi All
>
> As most of you will hopefully know, we have a desire to host another ACEU, but know it can't be organised the same way, and ACNA is being run by an external producer in a different way to past ApacheCons.
>
As said organizer, we will be happy to facilitate this meeting.
> I would like to propose that towards the end of ACNA, as many of us as possible get together (with note taking / recording / google hangouts etc for those not in Portland) to decide what we want to do about ApacheCon post-Portland. Topics will include, but not be limited to:
> * How does the new style producer arrangement work, and what should be
> changed going onwards?
I'd be interested in this feedback, but readers shouldn't feel that they need to wait - we are happy to hear good and bad comments at all times, and would love to hear form the community and particularly those interested in ApacheCon.
> * Can we square the circle of user + developer + committer/contributor
> needs with one ApacheCon event, or do we need to split (and if so
> into what?)
It would be a shame to do that in my opinion, and the contributors are those with the highest value as speakers and delegates to others thinking of coming to ApacheCon.
> * Assuming we do want to run more producer led ACNAs and ACEUs, what do
> we need to alter (if anything) from the RFP, what timescales etc should
> we do for selecting a producer for both? (Note that producers ideally
> want 12-18 months run-up)
>
I'll underline this. We've just won the rights to run DjangoCon 2014 and 2015, so we are running about 21 months ahead for conferences that aren't "first time around".
> Everyone is welcome to attend, including past/present/future producers. However, if we make amazing progress and get into nitty-gritty details, we might need to make the last bit of the session concom only. Hopefully the outcome of this + subsequent on-list discussions will quite quickly be a plan for ApacheCons for the next few years!
>
That's understandable.
> Pencil it in your diaries, and we'll try to announce a date + venue a little closer to ACNA!
>
> Nick
Please count us in on this one.
regards
Steve Holden steve@holdenweb.com +1 571 484 6266 http://holdenweb.com/
--
Python classes (and much more) through the web http://oreillyschool.com/
Conferences and technical event management at http://theopenbastion.com/
Next event: ApacheCon NA 2013: Feb 26-28 http://na.apachecon.com/