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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> on 2012/11/26 18:32:59 UTC
couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Hi all,
Just a quick mail to let you know I officially deprecated couchapp the
tool in favour of erica [1].
Erica is fully compatible with couchapp while offering new features
like the new webapp mode from @eckoit or the web editor. And more will
come soon.
Enjoy,
- benoît
[1] https://github.com/benoitc/erica
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
(Changing lists.)
Great news Benoit.
Now, what do you think we should do with this:
http://couchapp.org/page/index
On 26 November 2012 17:32, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just a quick mail to let you know I officially deprecated couchapp the
> tool in favour of erica [1].
>
> Erica is fully compatible with couchapp while offering new features
> like the new webapp mode from @eckoit or the web editor. And more will
> come soon.
>
> Enjoy,
>
>
> - benoît
>
> [1] https://github.com/benoitc/erica
>
--
NS
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Jason Smith <jh...@iriscouch.com>.
Hi, Benoit. This is great news. It simplifies the story of CouchDB in the
real world.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just a quick mail to let you know I officially deprecated couchapp the
> tool in favour of erica [1].
>
> Erica is fully compatible with couchapp while offering new features
> like the new webapp mode from @eckoit or the web editor. And more will
> come soon.
>
> Enjoy,
>
>
> - benoît
>
> [1] https://github.com/benoitc/erica
>
--
Iris Couch
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Ryan Ramage <ry...@gmail.com>.
> whats the diference between erika and kanso?
Erica
- built in erlang
- supports the traditional couchapp style (easier for doing design docs)
- has new webstyle project layout support (easier for web devs)
- has a built in web editor, allowing you to edit your project in a browser
- very easy to get started
- Dave has a windows patch/version available.
- might be possible to bundle with a couchdb release. (or add as a future
plugin)
Kanso
- built in node.js
- more a built system
- has a bunch of user submitted packages that run couchdb*
- has support for any couchapp style
- probably more complicated to get into for newbies.
- windows support is limited
* some of the packages that are in kanso will be fine to use in erica, for
example http://kan.so/packages/details/jsonselect . We are going through a
process to highlight them.
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Gabriel Mancini <ga...@gmail.com>.
Hi Guys,
whats the diference between erika and kanso?
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Kevin R. Coombes <kevin.r.coombes@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Of course, that's not exactly true. It also needs git and make installed
> (which tends not to be true by default on a Windows machine, for example).
> And erlang has to be in your path (which it may not be on Windows,
> depending on how you installed Couch...).
>
>
> On 11/26/2012 11:49 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
>> It should be straightforward:
>>
>> $ git clone git://github.com/benoitc/**erica.git<http://github.com/benoitc/erica.git>
>> $ make
>>
>> copy the erica bin in the root folder where you want. It only requires
>> Erlang installed.
>>
>> - benoīt
>>
>
--
Gabriel Mancini de Campos
Arquiteto de Soluções
+55 (11) 9449-1706
gabriel.mancini@gmail.com
São Paulo - SP - Brasil
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Alexander Gabriel <al...@barbalex.ch>.
@benoit: Thanks!
***********************************************************
Alexander Gabriel
Wiesenstrasse 22
8800 Thalwil
079/ 372 51 64
alex@barbalex.ch
www.barbalex.ch
2012/11/27 Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Alexander Gabriel <al...@barbalex.ch>
> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have developed two couchapps so far. Amazing technology! And easy
> enough
> > for a hobby programmer like me to learn (in my "real" life I'm a
> biologist).
> >
> > Beyond being a noob I'm also a windows user - and expecially: a unix-
> and
> > shell-NOBODY. My experiences with shells have been rather painful so far,
> > for instance with git or with curl. Seems like windows is a bad
> environment
> > for curl - or shells in general? There were so many problems with using '
> > or " or \" that I got lost, especially as it seemed that no code example
> > seemed to run in my shell without radically changing all ' or " or \".
>
> The code of erica take them as well :)
>
> >
> > There also seem to be a lot of "magic tricks" that Unix users seem to be
> > born with and usually are not explained in the documentation for shells.
> > For instance I believe you often have to be in the exact right folder or
> a
> > command to work.
>
> You just need to be in the app folder to push.
>
> >
> > So I was extremely happy that there was a standalone executable for
> windows
> > here: http://www.couchapp.org/page/installing
> >
> > Will I have to learn dealing with a shell now?
> >
> > Or will there be an executable for windows for erica?
>
> There will be an easy way to install erica asap. Sometimes next week.
> >
> > And is there advice on how to change an existing project from couchapp to
> > erica? Or is this not a good idea?
>
> The the things that need to be change are .couchappignore ->
> .ericaignore and you have to reinit the project (erica init). If
> you're not using the vendors it should be good.
>
> >
> > Looking forward to an even better tooling but I do hope the learning
> curve
> > is not too steep...
> >
>
> It shouldn't be. Let me know if you have any problem.
>
> - benoît
>
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Alexander Gabriel <al...@barbalex.ch> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have developed two couchapps so far. Amazing technology! And easy enough
> for a hobby programmer like me to learn (in my "real" life I'm a biologist).
>
> Beyond being a noob I'm also a windows user - and expecially: a unix- and
> shell-NOBODY. My experiences with shells have been rather painful so far,
> for instance with git or with curl. Seems like windows is a bad environment
> for curl - or shells in general? There were so many problems with using '
> or " or \" that I got lost, especially as it seemed that no code example
> seemed to run in my shell without radically changing all ' or " or \".
The code of erica take them as well :)
>
> There also seem to be a lot of "magic tricks" that Unix users seem to be
> born with and usually are not explained in the documentation for shells.
> For instance I believe you often have to be in the exact right folder or a
> command to work.
You just need to be in the app folder to push.
>
> So I was extremely happy that there was a standalone executable for windows
> here: http://www.couchapp.org/page/installing
>
> Will I have to learn dealing with a shell now?
>
> Or will there be an executable for windows for erica?
There will be an easy way to install erica asap. Sometimes next week.
>
> And is there advice on how to change an existing project from couchapp to
> erica? Or is this not a good idea?
The the things that need to be change are .couchappignore ->
.ericaignore and you have to reinit the project (erica init). If
you're not using the vendors it should be good.
>
> Looking forward to an even better tooling but I do hope the learning curve
> is not too steep...
>
It shouldn't be. Let me know if you have any problem.
- benoît
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Alexander Gabriel <al...@barbalex.ch>.
When I said this was amazing technology I forgot to mentiont that the
support is incredible!
Alex
Am 27.11.2012 23:59 schrieb "Dave Cottlehuber" <dc...@jsonified.com>:
> On 26 November 2012 21:55, Alexander Gabriel <al...@barbalex.ch> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have developed two couchapps so far. Amazing technology! And easy
> enough
> > for a hobby programmer like me to learn (in my "real" life I'm a
> biologist).
> >
> > Beyond being a noob I'm also a windows user - and expecially: a unix-
> and
> > shell-NOBODY. My experiences with shells have been rather painful so far,
> > for instance with git or with curl. Seems like windows is a bad
> environment
> > for curl - or shells in general? There were so many problems with using '
> > or " or \" that I got lost, especially as it seemed that no code example
> > seemed to run in my shell without radically changing all ' or " or \".
>
> That is true. You have 3 choices:
>
> - escape things referring to the unwritten laws [1]
> - install mingw shell which is a perfectly adequate clone for most tasks
> [2]
> - use a unix-like platform for development (join the dark side,
> together we shall rule as one)
>
> A fair bit of work has gone on for rebar & erica to work on windows,
> we hope it will make your lives a lot easier.
>
> [1]: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc723564.aspx
> [2]: http://www.mingw.org/
>
> > There also seem to be a lot of "magic tricks" that Unix users seem to be
> > born with and usually are not explained in the documentation for shells.
> > For instance I believe you often have to be in the exact right folder or
> a
> > command to work.
> >
> > So I was extremely happy that there was a standalone executable for
> windows
> > here: http://www.couchapp.org/page/installing
> >
> > Will I have to learn dealing with a shell now?
>
> I'm here to help if needed!
>
> > Or will there be an executable for windows for erica?
>
> Yes. There would have been one today except I found a bug in escript,
> which I thought originally was my fault. Benoit's suggested how to
> work around it, so I'll do that later this week. If you want to play
> RIGHT NOW then you can use the functioning but verbose version [3]. It
> just spits out lots of erlang messages before doing any real work:
>
> === PROGRESS REPORT==== 27-Nov-2012::23:55:13 ===
> supervisor: {local,kernel_safe_sup}
> started: [{pid,<0.63.0>},
>
> [3]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jeifcxpbtpo78ak/erica/
>
> Make sure you have the erlang binaries in your path. The easiest way
> for this is to put erica.cmd in with couchdb.bat folder, and add that
> to your path.
>
> > And is there advice on how to change an existing project from couchapp to
> > erica? Or is this not a good idea?
>
> It shouldn't require any retooling on your end at all -- .couchapp
> files and same layout are possible, as well as more.
>
> A+
> Dave
>
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Dave Cottlehuber <dc...@jsonified.com>wrote:
>
>
> Yes. There would have been one today except I found a bug in escript,
> which I thought originally was my fault. Benoit's suggested how to
> work around it, so I'll do that later this week. If you want to play
> RIGHT NOW then you can use the functioning but verbose version [3]. It
> just spits out lots of erlang messages before doing any real work:
>
> === PROGRESS REPORT==== 27-Nov-2012::23:55:13 ===
> supervisor: {local,kernel_safe_sup}
> started: [{pid,<0.63.0>},
>
>
It should be solved in latest head. Let me know.
- benoît
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Dave Cottlehuber <dc...@jsonified.com>.
On 26 November 2012 21:55, Alexander Gabriel <al...@barbalex.ch> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have developed two couchapps so far. Amazing technology! And easy enough
> for a hobby programmer like me to learn (in my "real" life I'm a biologist).
>
> Beyond being a noob I'm also a windows user - and expecially: a unix- and
> shell-NOBODY. My experiences with shells have been rather painful so far,
> for instance with git or with curl. Seems like windows is a bad environment
> for curl - or shells in general? There were so many problems with using '
> or " or \" that I got lost, especially as it seemed that no code example
> seemed to run in my shell without radically changing all ' or " or \".
That is true. You have 3 choices:
- escape things referring to the unwritten laws [1]
- install mingw shell which is a perfectly adequate clone for most tasks [2]
- use a unix-like platform for development (join the dark side,
together we shall rule as one)
A fair bit of work has gone on for rebar & erica to work on windows,
we hope it will make your lives a lot easier.
[1]: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc723564.aspx
[2]: http://www.mingw.org/
> There also seem to be a lot of "magic tricks" that Unix users seem to be
> born with and usually are not explained in the documentation for shells.
> For instance I believe you often have to be in the exact right folder or a
> command to work.
>
> So I was extremely happy that there was a standalone executable for windows
> here: http://www.couchapp.org/page/installing
>
> Will I have to learn dealing with a shell now?
I'm here to help if needed!
> Or will there be an executable for windows for erica?
Yes. There would have been one today except I found a bug in escript,
which I thought originally was my fault. Benoit's suggested how to
work around it, so I'll do that later this week. If you want to play
RIGHT NOW then you can use the functioning but verbose version [3]. It
just spits out lots of erlang messages before doing any real work:
=== PROGRESS REPORT==== 27-Nov-2012::23:55:13 ===
supervisor: {local,kernel_safe_sup}
started: [{pid,<0.63.0>},
[3]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jeifcxpbtpo78ak/erica/
Make sure you have the erlang binaries in your path. The easiest way
for this is to put erica.cmd in with couchdb.bat folder, and add that
to your path.
> And is there advice on how to change an existing project from couchapp to
> erica? Or is this not a good idea?
It shouldn't require any retooling on your end at all -- .couchapp
files and same layout are possible, as well as more.
A+
Dave
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Alexander Gabriel <al...@barbalex.ch>.
Hi
I have developed two couchapps so far. Amazing technology! And easy enough
for a hobby programmer like me to learn (in my "real" life I'm a biologist).
Beyond being a noob I'm also a windows user - and expecially: a unix- and
shell-NOBODY. My experiences with shells have been rather painful so far,
for instance with git or with curl. Seems like windows is a bad environment
for curl - or shells in general? There were so many problems with using '
or " or \" that I got lost, especially as it seemed that no code example
seemed to run in my shell without radically changing all ' or " or \".
There also seem to be a lot of "magic tricks" that Unix users seem to be
born with and usually are not explained in the documentation for shells.
For instance I believe you often have to be in the exact right folder or a
command to work.
So I was extremely happy that there was a standalone executable for windows
here: http://www.couchapp.org/page/installing
Will I have to learn dealing with a shell now?
Or will there be an executable for windows for erica?
And is there advice on how to change an existing project from couchapp to
erica? Or is this not a good idea?
Looking forward to an even better tooling but I do hope the learning curve
is not too steep...
Alex
***********************************************************
Alexander Gabriel
Wiesenstrasse 22
8800 Thalwil
079/ 372 51 64
alex@barbalex.ch
www.barbalex.ch
2012/11/26 Kevin R. Coombes <ke...@gmail.com>
> Of course, that's not exactly true. It also needs git and make installed
> (which tends not to be true by default on a Windows machine, for example).
> And erlang has to be in your path (which it may not be on Windows,
> depending on how you installed Couch...).
>
>
> On 11/26/2012 11:49 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
>> It should be straightforward:
>>
>> $ git clone git://github.com/benoitc/**erica.git<http://github.com/benoitc/erica.git>
>> $ make
>>
>> copy the erica bin in the root folder where you want. It only requires
>> Erlang installed.
>>
>> - benoīt
>>
>
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by "Kevin R. Coombes" <ke...@gmail.com>.
Of course, that's not exactly true. It also needs git and make
installed (which tends not to be true by default on a Windows machine,
for example). And erlang has to be in your path (which it may not be on
Windows, depending on how you installed Couch...).
On 11/26/2012 11:49 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> It should be straightforward:
>
> $ git clone git://github.com/benoitc/erica.git
> $ make
>
> copy the erica bin in the root folder where you want. It only requires
> Erlang installed.
>
> - benoît
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Tim Black <ti...@alwaysreformed.com> wrote:
> On 11/26/2012 11:49 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>> It should be straightforward:
>>
>> $ git clone git://github.com/benoitc/erica.git
>> $ make
>>
>> copy the erica bin in the root folder where you want. It only requires
>> Erlang installed.
> I just ran "make" before reading this email, and discovered it creates a
> self-contained executable like you say above. Imaginary problem
> solved! Sorry for bothering you about it!
>
np :)
- benoit
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Tim Black <ti...@alwaysreformed.com>.
On 11/26/2012 11:49 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> It should be straightforward:
>
> $ git clone git://github.com/benoitc/erica.git
> $ make
>
> copy the erica bin in the root folder where you want. It only requires
> Erlang installed.
I just ran "make" before reading this email, and discovered it creates a
self-contained executable like you say above. Imaginary problem
solved! Sorry for bothering you about it!
Tim
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
It should be straightforward:
$ git clone git://github.com/benoitc/erica.git
$ make
copy the erica bin in the root folder where you want. It only requires
Erlang installed.
- benoît
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Tim Black <ti...@alwaysreformed.com> wrote:
> Can you give a pointer to how to install erica in a user-local or
> project-local fashion, rather than installing it system-wide? Thanks!
>
> Tim
>
> On 11/26/2012 11:32 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just a quick mail to let you know I officially deprecated couchapp the
>> tool in favour of erica [1].
>>
>> Erica is fully compatible with couchapp while offering new features
>> like the new webapp mode from @eckoit or the web editor. And more will
>> come soon.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>>
>> - benoît
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/benoitc/erica
>>
>
Re: couchapp is deprecated in favour of erica
Posted by Tim Black <ti...@alwaysreformed.com>.
Can you give a pointer to how to install erica in a user-local or
project-local fashion, rather than installing it system-wide? Thanks!
Tim
On 11/26/2012 11:32 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just a quick mail to let you know I officially deprecated couchapp the
> tool in favour of erica [1].
>
> Erica is fully compatible with couchapp while offering new features
> like the new webapp mode from @eckoit or the web editor. And more will
> come soon.
>
> Enjoy,
>
>
> - benoît
>
> [1] https://github.com/benoitc/erica
>