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OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]


> Anyway, I see little value of EJB anything, I recommend that my clients
> user RowSet (EJB is worst part of J2EE, Tomcat and a few other parts of
> Jakarta are best. Hey, what if Sun made IPlanet the reference instad of
> Tomcat? That would be so buggy and slow)

This is probably off topic. But what do you suggest to your clients when
they need to create a product that runs on more than one machine? Do you
distribute the Java code somehow?

EJB does seem to have had poor PR in that it was initially mainly billed
as an automated object->relational java dbms wrapper. Now the distributed
part of it receives the most focus.

Hen


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Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
>
>
>>Well if someone would give the eob guys a good kick, I think 
>>that shows 
>>a lot of promise.  
>>http://eob.sourceforge.net/.  The only bad thing is its tied 
>>too closely 
>>to avalon and hence has no
>>specification.  (Meaning it assumes you understand Avalon and Phoenix)
>>    
>>
>
>
>That part should be easier in the near future.
>Specifications, etc. will be forthcoming.
>
>  
>

Cool.  I'm glad.  I was very near considering writing an Avalon 
Framework Specification...but my todo list is
very long at the moment and it wasn't near the top.

-Andy

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RE: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:acoliver@apache.org] 
> 
> Henri Yandell wrote:
> 
> >
> Well if someone would give the eob guys a good kick, I think 
> that shows 
> a lot of promise.  
> http://eob.sourceforge.net/.  The only bad thing is its tied 
> too closely 
> to avalon and hence has no
> specification.  (Meaning it assumes you understand Avalon and Phoenix)


That part should be easier in the near future.
Specifications, etc. will be forthcoming.


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Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote:

>  
>
>>Well and the fact that its an architectural blunder doesn't help either.
>> Plus the overselling.  EJBs are
>>being used EVERYWHERE appropriate or not.  Roughly 5% of all
>>applications using EJBs
>>actually need them.  And those 5% would be better off with something
>>good instead.
>>    
>>
>
>No argument there.I'm hunting for views on that something good :) Not that
>I've had to do one of those 5% of applications or expect to in the near
>future.
>  
>
Well if someone would give the eob guys a good kick, I think that shows 
a lot of promise.  
http://eob.sourceforge.net/.  The only bad thing is its tied too closely 
to avalon and hence has no
specification.  (Meaning it assumes you understand Avalon and Phoenix)

-Andy

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RE: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@telocity.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:acoliver@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:09 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]
> 
> 
> Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
> 
> >on 8/4/02 6:02 PM, "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Not that
> >>I've had to do one of those 5% of applications or expect to in the near
> >>future.
> >>
> >>Hen
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >But, if you listen to the Sun propaganda, then all of your applications
> >could use EJB's.
> >  
> >
> Yes... Think of how wonderful it would be if the Jakarta.apache.org site 
> were rewritten in JSPs and all the data
> was stored in a database accessed via EJBs.  We could truely know 
> efficiency and wonder then.   (I have SEEN this for
> a similar site that shall remain nameless to protect the guilty!)
> 
> Of course....using struts totally unsucks JSP right? ;-)

AMEN BROTHER!!! ;)

> 
> -Andy
> 
> >=)
> >
> >-jon
> >


James Mitchell


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Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

>on 8/4/02 6:02 PM, "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Not that
>>I've had to do one of those 5% of applications or expect to in the near
>>future.
>>
>>Hen
>>    
>>
>
>But, if you listen to the Sun propaganda, then all of your applications
>could use EJB's.
>  
>
Yes... Think of how wonderful it would be if the Jakarta.apache.org site 
were rewritten in JSPs and all the data
was stored in a database accessed via EJBs.  We could truely know 
efficiency and wonder then.   (I have SEEN this for
a similar site that shall remain nameless to protect the guilty!)

Of course....using struts totally unsucks JSP right? ;-)

-Andy

>=)
>
>-jon
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RE: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
> From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com] 
> 
> on 8/4/02 6:02 PM, "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
> 
> > Not that
> > I've had to do one of those 5% of applications or expect to in the 
> > near future.
> > 
> > Hen
> 
> But, if you listen to the Sun propaganda, then all of your 
> applications could use EJB's.
> 
> =)


My hammer is Golden, and the world looks like a nail!


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Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@adeptra.com>.
On 8/5/02 4:05 PM, "Jon Scott Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com> wrote:

> on 8/4/02 6:02 PM, "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not that
>> I've had to do one of those 5% of applications or expect to in the near
>> future.
>> 
>> Hen
> 
> But, if you listen to the Sun propaganda, then all of your applications
> could use EJB's.
> 
> =)
> 

ALL YOUR EJB ARE BELONG TO US

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Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by Jon Scott Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 8/4/02 6:02 PM, "Henri Yandell" <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:

> Not that
> I've had to do one of those 5% of applications or expect to in the near
> future.
> 
> Hen

But, if you listen to the Sun propaganda, then all of your applications
could use EJB's.

=)

-jon


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Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.

> Well and the fact that its an architectural blunder doesn't help either.
>  Plus the overselling.  EJBs are
> being used EVERYWHERE appropriate or not.  Roughly 5% of all
> applications using EJBs
> actually need them.  And those 5% would be better off with something
> good instead.

No argument there.I'm hunting for views on that something good :) Not that
I've had to do one of those 5% of applications or expect to in the near
future.

Hen


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Re: OT: EJB: [Re: Sun saids Opensource is bad]

Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote:

>  
>
>>Anyway, I see little value of EJB anything, I recommend that my clients
>>user RowSet (EJB is worst part of J2EE, Tomcat and a few other parts of
>>Jakarta are best. Hey, what if Sun made IPlanet the reference instad of
>>Tomcat? That would be so buggy and slow)
>>    
>>
>
>This is probably off topic. But what do you suggest to your clients when
>they need to create a product that runs on more than one machine? Do you
>distribute the Java code somehow?
>
>EJB does seem to have had poor PR in that it was initially mainly billed
>as an automated object->relational java dbms wrapper. Now the distributed
>part of it receives the most focus.
>  
>
Well and the fact that its an architectural blunder doesn't help either. 
 Plus the overselling.  EJBs are
being used EVERYWHERE appropriate or not.  Roughly 5% of all 
applications using EJBs
actually need them.  And those 5% would be better off with something 
good instead.  

-Andy

>Hen
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